My son who is 9 loves vintage computers and telephones like me, So we
figured why not combine our hobbies into one big project.
We want to recreate the fun of the unix dial in days, and dialing in via
PPP to the internet. The goal eventually will be to have 12 lines
serving up Shell and PPP access via VOIP inbound at speeds around 14.4.
So all of you who have old machines that have modems unused, youll be
able to call into one of the inbound numbers and get online via shell
and PPP. Accounts on the system will be free. Depending on what
type of system you use will determine the access number.
We plan to have a Sun Sparcstation 5 running SunOS 4.1.4 for dial in
access, an HP 712 running HP UX 9.0, and a NeXTstation. Adding more
as we find more older unix machines to put on the system as we go.
Our project for the Mason Michigan Phone show was demonstrating analog
modem connections from computer to computer through a PBX. It was a
hit, We had the commodore 64 calling the Mac 512 and then both machines
calling out to DiversiDial Station #34 on C*NET.
We plan to use the following hardware
Asterisk Server to handle call routing and C*NET connections
Sun SparcStation 5 Running SunOS 4.1.4
HP 712 running HP UX 9.0.4
NeXTstation running NeXTstep 3.3
A regular old linux box providing shell and PPP access.
It gives you a good reason to dust off those old computers, fire up
your favorite terminal program and off you go :)
>From a techie friend in London, repeated by permission from Fesse Bouc:
<<
This is a PIA.
SCSI and other stuff: I have here a relatively large carrier bag
stuffed full of old internal and external SCSI cables of various
types/lengths/widths. These will shortly be wending their way towards
our local recycling center unless someone raises a hand and asks for
something in particular.
This message probably expires at lunchtime on Saturday next.
>>
Contact me directly if interested.
--
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Email: lproven at cix.co.uk * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven
MSN: lproven at hotmail.com * Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven
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On 05/07/2014 02:06 AM, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 00:55:45 -0600
> From: Eric Smith<spacewar at gmail.com>
>
> Cool project! I'm interested in hearing how well V.32bis
> QAM modulation (14.4 Kbps) works over VOIP, since a lot of
> VOIP applies compression schemes intended specifically for
> voice. On uncompressed PCM, or PCM with only basic
> companding (mu-law or A-law) it should work fine, since
> that's what has most commonly been used by the phone
> companies for carrying domestic POTS calls. International
> voice calls often used more compression, which at the very
> least could be expected to increase the error rate. Eric
I have Charter VOIP, and have used a 14.4 modem for faxes with
no trouble. That may not tell you a whole lot, but at least
it works
in that limited mode.
Jon
The loss of wildcards just shows the ignorance/stupidity/out of touch
attitudes of the people who made these decisions... and their
supervisors/management.
And along those lines, my favorite (unfortunately true) saying about
eBay is I've never seen a company work so hard to destroy the community
that built it.
The only people who I've heard complain about the loss of wildcards are
those people who know what they are and how to use them. Those that
don't complain fall under the people in my first statement
classification :).
I am constantly amazed by the prices some people ask for their goods
including vintagecomputermeuseum... and get them.
I did some research using TeraPeak on selected sellers, and realized the
amount of money they were making. Eye opening would be a good description.
BTW, top posting is only for people who haven't lost their memory... yet :).
> I would sure like to have a permanent blacklist that automatically
> applies across all of my searches. I would REALLY love to be able to
> search with real regular expressions. The loss of wildcards annoys the
> heck out of me.
Don't forget "vintagecomputermuseum" and "newsgroups".
g.
--
I ask every few years if anyone has one of these things - and I haven't in a while, so I figured it was worth a shot...
Does anyone have an Ann Arbor Ambassador terminal that they'd like to part with? I would, of course, be interested in any other weird terminals - but this is one I've been specifically looking for, for probably fifteen years at this point.
Thanks!
-Ian
Looking for the following for my son and I's build
10-12 Serial Modems, Preferably 14.4 or faster, all same make and model
Annex Terminal Server
T1 PCI Cards
Pretty much anything modem related we can use
Thanks
Steve
Looking for some interesting unix workstations to add to my collection
and get them set up for connection to the C*NET telephone collectors network
I love sun stuff, Old AT&T Stuff is quite alright along with HP UX
Also looking for an Annex Terminal Server and any old modems/telephony
equipment and cards for machines.
Thanks
Steve
In article <536580C2.2000506 at jwsss.com>,
jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> writes:
> [...] there is no justification to
> drop in and run up the bid and clearly not want it other than either
> being a shill or an asshole.
Why do you assume that anybody who bids early is evil? I frequently bid early for an amount that is what I am willing to pay. If I miss out, that is life. I don't spend every minute watching the bidding. And I don't check eBay every day for items I'm interested in. Again, why can't I drop in an bid my limit? How does that make me a shill or an asshole?
I do get most of my bids, by the way. Not every item goes to the snipers.
In fact, I find sniping a foul practise. If I put an item up for sale and have no bids, I will cancel the auction 24 hours before the final date.
Billy Pettit
I have an Apple //c+ that's has had the escape key snapped off an missing.
Might anyone on here have any spare parts keyboards for that system laying
around?
--
Sent from my time machine
Hi! I'm looking for a shugart 851 8" floppy drive for my Wang 2200 system! Preferable 110v 50Hz, but all versions of interest(110-220v, 50-60Hz) or/and parts to change to correct version! A fixer or one in good condition!Best regardsKenny Ottosson
Hi there.
I've rescued some old IBM manuals in what once upon a time was our CPD.
Such a good bunch of them are quite old. My intention is to scan all what I
could and leave the manuals for everyone who wants one or more.
Many manuals are in english language but some of them are in spanish (from
Spain) being the most curious a copy of "Messages from DOS/VS" from 1975.
I'll put the files with the scans in one URL of mine which address I'll
send to this list.
Gracias | Regards - Saludos | Greetings | Freundliche Gr??e | Salutations
?
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mobile: +34-699-996568
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No crea todo lo que ve, ni crea que est? vi?ndolo todo
Hi all --
So I got my 8/e about a decade ago -- just the main CPU unit, 8K of core
and an SLU. Over the years I've gotten a few other parts and
peripherals and now with the 32K RAM card coming from Vincent at some
point, I'm almost to the point where I can assemble a useful system
running OS/8.
At the moment I have:
- 8/e CPU, 8K core, SLU, RX02 and RK05 controllers.
- RX02 drive (working)
- RK05 drive (unknown, but clean)
- ASR-33 teletype (working)
I'm looking for the following to really tie the room together:
- RK05 cabling (from RK8E to RK05)
- An RK05 disk pack or two (16-sectored)
- Rack mounting rails for the 8/e, the RX02, and the RK05
and:
- An actual rack to put all of this in. An official DEC rack would of
course be nice...
and, while I'm at it:
- A TU56 and controller. (Hey, a man can dream, right?)
If anyone has any of the above and are up for trading/selling them,
please do drop me a line.
Thanks as always,
Josh
After moving and whatnot its time to clear out stuff that hasnt been used.
Xircom PE2-10B2 Parallel Port Ethernet Adapter $15 shipped
Commodore MPS-803 Dot Matrix Printer In Box $20 plus shipping
Laser PC-50 Pocket Computer In Box $35+ Shipping
Codex 5280R Modem $20 plus shipping
ISEPIC Clone Cartridge- Freezer Cartridge for commodore 64 with
software- Pretty rare $75 shipped
Cycle 5 Sun Sparcstation 1+ Mainboard Upgrade, Turns your 1+ into a
200mhz SS5 Compatible machine with 128MB RAM- Expandable to 256MB $120
shipped- Includes 1+ Power Supply and 50pin 1GB SCSI HDD. Tested and
working fine with OpenStep 4.2
NIB Apple Keyboard II $20 plus shipping
I accept PayPal.
> Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 12:47:42 +0200
> From: Marco Rauhut <marco at familie-rauhut.eu>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: PDP8 4K Memory test
>
> Hello,
>
> my name is marco. I`am a "new" PDP8 User.
> I have an PDP8 with no software and documentation came with it.
>
> Now im digging around the web for the MAINDEC-8E-D1AB-PB 4K Memory
> Checkboard test.
>
> Could somebody have an Image of that papertape for me?
>
> Best regards
>
> Marco
http://dustyoldcomputers.com/pdp-common/reference/papertapes/maindec-8e.html
states that they have a copy onsite, but not online.
http://www.chdickman.com/pdp8/ says that he has a copy of the
papertape too, but apparently not online
http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/os8_html?act=dir;fn=images/os8/diagpack2.…
is the directory listing from an RK05 image at David Gesswein's site
(diagpack2.rk05), but it isn't in a papertape image. It is a newer
version than the one you asked for. It will run as is, if you can
load an image from an RK05. The "more" link
(http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/os8_html/DHKACA.DG?act=info;fn=images/os8…)
can convert the existing image into some others, but what images you
can actually work with will determine whether or not this is helpful.
David's site probably has most, if not all, of the PDP-8 documentation
& schematics that you might need. Bitsavers has an absolutely huge
collection too.
Which "version" of the PDP-8 do you have and what modules (boards or
cards) are in it?
Bob
Hello,
my name is marco. I`am a "new" PDP8 User.
I have an PDP8 with no software and documentation came with it.
Now im digging around the web for the MAINDEC-8E-D1AB-PB 4K Memory
Checkboard test.
Could somebody have an Image of that papertape for me?
Best regards
Marco
On 3 May 2014 23:18, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On 05/03/2014 12:34 PM, Kenny wrote:
>>> Just curious--where is 110V 50Hz a common power distribution?
>
> Wikipedia has a map (see "Utility frequency"). It's used in half of Japan -- the other half uses 110V 60Hz.
100V though, not 110V, both for the 50Hz regions and the 60Hz regions.
-Tor (just back from three months in Japan)
I will be in the Bay Area for a few days, starting tomorrow afternoon. Do
any of the usual suspects want to get together? And when is pizza night?
Also, it turns out that I have a lot of room for haulage leaving
California. I can haul alot from the Bay Area to Chicago, and a smaller
amount (less than a rack) all the way to New York. Sorry for the short
notice, but that is how this cookie has crumbled.
--
Will
This is definitely one of those things that didn't need doing, but one or
two people asked about a DE9 version of the tiny DB25-to-DLV11J PCB I did
a while ago (that replaces a cab kit for DEC Q-bus serial ports that use a
9/10-pin Berg), and I didn't like the idea because I've always hated the
PC DE9 pinout (I can't believe we're stuck with a quick hack that IBM did
to cram a second connector on the bracket of the PC AT dual RS232 board --
it was widely despised at the time) and anyway it would work only with PCs.
So I figured if it's going to work only with PCs, it might as well also work
with new PCs (that don't have COM ports at all), so I did it as a USB thing:
http://www.dbit.com/projects/#dlvusb
It's simple (MCP2200 plus obvious stuff) and tiny (blank PCBs are $7.25 for
three from OSH Park) and the page has links to schematics and Gerbers and
the OSH Park project page.
The soldering's no picnic (surface mount this time) so I may do this as a
minor D Bit product if there's any interest. But otherwise ... have fun.
John Wilson
D Bit
I am currently in the Denver area for a couple of days, and came
across a guy with a bunch of stuff from the Digital Group (not DEC!).
He has a few packed boxes, pretty heavy, so I really do not know what
is there. Apparently he had struck a deal for the pile some time ago,
but the buyer backed out when the shipping quote was figured.
So anyway, it is probably unreasonable for the me to move the stuff to
California (Bay Area) when I continue my roadtrip on Tuesday (I will
be pretty loaded), but it is reasonable to think that I could haul the
stuff when heading home east in a couple of weeks, as I pass back
through the Denver area.
So - any interest in this stuff? He says there is a lot, including
some late model computer they made only four units of, before the bank
shut the business down. If there is interest, I will see if I can get
his to do an inventory and/or pictures (he is willing). I do not know
about the price - probably not too bad.
Let me know offlist ASAP!
--
Will
I have 3 old Tektronix keyboards here; 2 are larger and one is smaller.
The 2 larger ones are PN 119-2468-03 (missing "Menu" keycap) and 119-2468-00
(complete).
Both of these have a large RJ45 type end. Square button with arrows instead
of directional arrows.
Smaller one is PN 119-1592-02, AT type connector, special keys above the 5,
6, 7 and 8 keys. It is complete. Octagonal button top left.
These are NOT lightweight keyboards, but I would be happy to ship them.
Somebody make an offer?
Smaller one looks similar to this :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-Terminal-Keyboard-119-2493-/261456871488
Larger ones look like the 2nd pic on this page:
http://www.computerequipmentwarehouse.com/tektronixkeyboardsall.html
Click on the pic for a larger image.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
830-792-3400 phone
830-792-3404 fax
sales at elecplus.com
AOL IM elcpls
Folks,
If you're in the area (Atlanta), PLEASE take some time and get out and come
visit us at VCF SE 2.0!!
(you can also the excellent nice weather this weekend!)
We'll be tweeting photos and info with #VCFSE if you want to follow along
on Twitter.
Earl
Many thanks yet again to the very kind _Bernhard Wulf_, who took time
out of his busy day to save my OD3210 by sending me a special procedures
document which details resetting the NOVRAM and conducting a few
calibration tests after servicing.
Anyone with any Overland tape drive, feel free to email me directly and
I'll send you the .pdf file... but send your thanks to Bernhard.
So, to recap, replacing the battery on my 3210's PWB caused the battery
backed-up non-volatile memories to get scrambled, resulting in an
4x/second flashing ALERT upon after-service POST. Using the special
procedures (not documented in the user manual where they should have
been), I was able to reinitialize the NVRAM contents and recalibrate the
drive.
I know for a fact that this same problem has stymied several people
before me, some of whom probably disposed of their perfectly good drives
as a result.
Thanks also go out to Chuck Guzis and Tony Duell for their clues and
suggestions.
- John S.
Hi all,
I recently acquired the above mentioned terminal in great shape. On power on, it shows a white screen with black characters, all keys work and echo locally.
But when connected to a known good serial cable with a 9600 getty, I get maybe a little gibberish and no more local echo on keystrokes.
Tweaking the baud rate dips has no effect, and possibly of note, the dip for toggling between white on black and black on white has no effect either.
So, looking inside I don't see anything obviously wrong, no blown caps or damaged traces, but there are some unlabeled dip switches on the main board.
Before I go further diagnosing, does anyone know what these switches do, or what their default configuration should be?
Is anyone else operating one of these that could share experiences.
Thanks,
--sma
If someone buys this, let me know. I own one of the IST terminals and use it regularily on Plato (Cyber1). Paul Koning provided me with a copy of the binary resident , and I wrote a wrapper to load it into the terminal upon power-up; so that the terminal will speak Plato ASCII protocol to cyber1.org via a serial cable connected to a PC which wraps things in IP over to cyber1.org port 8005.
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Control Data CDC Plato system available in Minneapolis
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 13:00:28 -0500
From: Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
On Mar 6, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
> PLATO computer? Or PLATO terminal? I would guess terminal is meant.
Looks like the owner tired of my (and other) attempts at getting him
to ship it and has....decided he can ship it, after all. At quite a
premium:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Control-Data-IST-II-Plato-Terminal-/1813681495…
I have a pretty rare Cycle 5 Sun 1+ System Board upgrade. It replaces
your system board in your Sparcstation 1+ 2 and so forth with a new
board that has a 200mhz CPU on it. This comes with 128MB RAM
installed, the board supports 50 pin SCSI drives and has a CGSIX
Framebuffer Card. Tested working with NeXTSTEP 3.3 and OpenStep 4.2,
along with Solaris 9
You get the following
Cycle 5 System Board upgrade
CGSIX Framebuffer Card
Sparcstation 1+ Power Supply
$200 dollars shipped or best offer. or will trade for other Sun
Equipment. Looking for SCSI Drives for a Sparcstation 5. And the
cables to a Aurora Multiport 800S Card. Im located in Michigan and
local pick up is always welcomed
Thanks
Steve
I have 1 pallet packed nicely and ready to go that contains qty 27 DEC VT320
terminals and qty 5 LK-201 keyboards. 2 of the keyboards are missing some
keycaps, but they all functioned well enough to use to test external modems
several years ago.
VT320-A2, 2 power on, 2 no power
VT320-B2, qty 1 power on
VT320-C2, qty 13 power on, qty 9 no power
LK201 keyboards, qty 5, 2 of which are missing keycaps.
None of the housings are cracked. All are dirty/yellowed/ink or marker.
Screens may or may not be screen burned.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
830-792-3400 phone
830-792-3404 fax
sales at elecplus.com
AOL IM elcpls
http://www.neoncluster.com/projects-...bootstrap.html
Much thanks to:
- Dave Dunfield for his NST Northstar Utils (and his fantastic repository of all things old and awesome).
- Jim Battle for his SOLACE Sol-20 emulator, and his NSISVN DOS program.
- Corey Cohen for his Sol-20 specific NST stub.
Have fun
Phil
Sorry, this one is not for terminals, but the collectors might still want
them.
Function keys on left, * to the right of the right shift key, AT connector,
83 keys.
Looks like this one:
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/kb/layout/z_011261xt.jpg
Not tested or cleaned, but complete in very good shape.
Make offer, take them home.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
830-792-3400 phone
830-792-3404 fax
sales at elecplus.com
AOL IM elcpls
Another old terminal keyboard, looks exactly like LK-201, missing F18
keycap. Has RJ11 end.
PF1-PF4 above number pad. Help and Do between F14 and F17.
Backspace key looks like open left arrow with X in it.
Make offer, take it home.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
830-792-3400 phone
830-792-3404 fax
sales at elecplus.com
AOL IM elcpls
I managed to get a flickr account. I hope it works, the link is
https://www.flickr.com/photos/computer-room/
Uploaded the first set of pictures. All stuff is just put there,
waiting to create a nice setup.
Going to paint one wall tomorrow. At the base the length
of the wall is 15 meters, At the top "triangle" it is 5 meters high.
Not going to be much fun.
- Henk, PA8PDP
The Apple Lisa is complete, does not appear to be screen burned.
Includes hard drive and floppy drive and keyboard.
Somewhat yellowed due to age.
Does NOT power on, no repairs attempted.
(Is there someplace else to turn it on, besides the white square button
above the keyboard jack?)
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
AOL IM elcpls
_____
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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I think this is the last set that I'm listing.
The AT&T C++ books and 6809 manual are spoken for. The vintage BASIC
and FORTRAN books also have someone coming to pick them up,
Calculator Books:
TI-55III Guidebook
TI-82 Guidebook
Scientific Calculator Sourcebook from TI, looks to be for the
TI-54/TI-55 series.
Cisco Books:
Cisco 2524/2525 Router User Guide
CCNA Certification Guide from 1999 (for 640-407)
CCENT/CCNA ICND1 Guide which is 1 year old (for 640-822)
O'Reilly Books:
Sendmail (Allman and Costales) 2nd Ed. 1997
2x Essential System Administration 2nd Ed.
Running Linux, Welsh & Kaufman 1995
CGI Programming for the WWW, Gundavaram, 1996 (1st ed.)
High Performance Computing, 2nd Ed. Dowd & Severance, 1998
--
-Jon
Jonathan Katz, Indianapolis, IN.
I'm moving and need to pare things down. Here are some vintage books.
Some are in bad shape. FFS from 46219.
6809 Assembly Language Programming -- Lance Leventhal
A Fortran Primer -- Elliott I. Organick (c) 1963
A Guided Tour of Computer Programming in BASIC -- Dwyer & Kaufman (c)
1973 (completely falling apart, but complete.)
--
-Jon
Jonathan Katz, Indianapolis, IN.
Who bought the Apple III system a couple of years ago from me? The original
system disks have showed up, and I want to mail them to you..
Cindy Croxton
I have the following three books, still in shrink-wrap. All are from
AT&T and dated 1988.
. Unix System V AT&T C++ Language System Release 2.0: Product Reference Manual
. Unix System V AT&T C++ Language System Release 2.0: Selected
Readings Select Code 307-144
. Unix System V AT&T C++ Language System Release 2.0: Library Manual
Select Code 307-145
--
-Jon
Jonathan Katz, Indianapolis, IN.
Hi,
I've made enough progress on getting my new shop set up that I thought I'd share.
Here's the link that shows what I've been doing (top tabs will get you to the different
pages):
http://www.shiresoft.com/new-shop/Shiresoft/New_Shop.html
At this point, I've unpacked (but not setup) the "large" pieces. I had to arrange them so
that the electrician and I could figure out how to route the power. Hopefully before too
long I'll actually be able to set some of them up and get them running again after being
in storage for a number of years.
TTFN - Guy
Have any of y'all tried using one of those novelty "retro" cell phone handsets in an acoustic coupled modem? I wonder whether their output level and mic sensitivity are sufficient, and whether their dimensions are close enough to a good ol' Model 500 handset to fit an acoustic coupler well.
I may just order one up and try it, but I figured I'd ask if anybody else has tried it first. It would be silly fun to dial up over my iPhone with an acoustic coupler attached to my TRS-80 Model 100, or the DEC LA12 Correspondent terminal I have on the way from the ePlace. Not that I know of any 300 baud modems to call up, though...
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
Clearing out some excess commodore stuff
I have an Isepic Clone Freezer Cartridge & Software- Pretty hard to
find. $100 shipped or best offer.
Thanks
Steve
Many thanks to _Bernhard Wulf_, who found Overland OD32XX tape drive
info and software at this extremely helpful link:
http://www.pestingers.net/antique_computer_Gallery.htm
From the User Manual, my unit appears to have a Critical Error (alert
flashing 4x per second). This error translates into error 60, "Bad
NOVROM magic" -- whatever that means (see page 41 of manual). This
error if I understand it correctly makes sense, as I removed the button
cell battery off the main PCB to replace it. Anything backed up by that
battery would've been lost, so seemingly, the NOVROM contents were lost.
Very sadly, the recommended service procedure for this fault code is "RC
1" -- Call a Service Tech to replace Main PWB.
Insane that a battery replacement would render a perfectly good PWB useless.
- John S.
The American TV Show "60 minutes" showed 8-inch floppies are still
being used by the military
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/60-minutes-shocked-to…
Good to see people still use 8-inch floppies.... or maybe not
:-)
--------------
Thomas PDP-11 Dzubin
Vancouver, Calgary, or Saskatoon CANADA
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:10:03 -0700
> From: "Mark J. Blair" <nf6x at nf6x.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The US Military still use 8-inch floppies.
>
> On Apr 28, 2014, at 14:56 , Thomas Dzubin <dzubint at vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
>> The American TV Show "60 minutes" showed 8-inch floppies are still
>> being used by the military
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/60-minutes-shocked-to…
>
> To a certain extent, I'm a fan of "if it works, don't fix it". However, with aging hardware using consumables that are no longer in production such as 8" floppy disks, there's risk in using the old hardware.
>
> As silly as it seems to keep on using 8" floppies in mission-critical hardware in 2014, if some company resumed manufacturing old floppy disks for .mil and was willing to also sell to us collectors, I'd be happy to stock up if the pricing wasn't too insane.
>
> --
> Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
> http://www.nf6x.net/
I just received the following response from info at floppydisk.com at
http://www.floppydisk.com/
"We have DS/DD and SS/DD 8 inch disks. We sell them for $10 each.
Sealed packs of 10 are $89.
If you need more info, let us know."
They didn't state whether or not they were NOS, new manufacture, or
used, or who the manufacturer is/was. I did ask for information about
"new or usable" 8-inch diskettes though. In a moment of insanity, I
paid another vendor more than that (for a pack of 10) over 10 years
ago, so at least they are a "bit" less insane.
Bob
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:11:29 -0700
> From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
>
> On 04/28/2014 02:56 PM, Thomas Dzubin wrote:
>> The American TV Show "60 minutes" showed 8-inch floppies are still
>> being used by the military
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/60-minutes-shocked-to…
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>> Good to see people still use 8-inch floppies.... or maybe not
>
> Hardly surprising. I'll take an 8" floppy over a 3.5" one or 5.25" one
> any day. Provided that they weren't crap to start with, there's no
> reason why they shouldn't continue to work for many years more. The
> technology used to write and read them was extremely conservative. None
> of that "shirt pocket" garbage.
>
> I routinely get 8 inchers from the 1970s to retrieve data from and I
> experience problems only rarely. I wish I could say the same about old
> 5.25" disks from the 80s and 3.5" disks from the 90s.
>
> Back around 2000 (IIRC) I received a lot of very grimy RX-02 floppies
> (at least they were RX02-style MFM) with a request to copy them to clean
> media. All came through (after a bit of cleaning) just fine--they were
> used on some sort of jig for the C130.
>
> --Chuck
Chuck,
Can you give details on your "bit of cleaning" procedures for the
8-inch diskettes? I've got quite a few RX01/RX02 diskettes to "save"
(image) and recover data from a few for a friend.
Any tips on checking and/or cleaning the drives too, to avoid
physically damaging the diskettes, beyond what is in the DEC
Maintenance Manuals?
My basic plan is to get my PDP-8/A running with an RX01 and/or RX02
drive and use a serial port to send the data/image to a PC. Or can
anyone detail an easier way?
Thanks,
Bob
I have some SCSI disks with unknown contents which I would like to check
before overwriting them. I don't even know what OS they were used with. The
only systems I have to hand with SCSI are MicroVAXen, so I can check them
for VMS format without issue. However, for the ones that are not VMS format
I would need a way to find out what format they are.
I was wondering if there is any VMS software for reading FAT disks (as that
is a pretty likely format). According to Hoff
(http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/vmsfaq/vmsfaq_012.html) there is VMS freeware
that will read FAT diskettes, I am not sure if it will read hard disks too.
Trouble is I don't seem to have that version of the Freeware, does anyone
have version 6 and the WINFX software?
Another way would be to use a PC SCSI adapter. I don't have one yet, but I
think I will get one. I like the look of the Adaptec 2940AU.
Regards
Rob
I've asked this before but it seems like time to ask again. I'd like to make some _proper_ DEC-style cables with round shielded cable and true BERG headers on the end(s). I know that IDC connectors can be used as a substitute but I'd really like to be able to find the old crimp-pin and insert style. Does anybody have a source or even a non-DEC part number for the header box and/or pins? Note that it is actually a 44-pin carrier to center it in the 40 pin receptacle.
Thanks,
Jack
Looking for rackmount modems and a bay networks annex for a project im
working on. Or a multiport serial card that works with SunOS. Also
looking for something similar for an HP 712.
I saw this (didn't get to attend unfortunately :) and thought this
might be of interest to the list
http://www.soum.co.jp/~jun/asiabsdcon2014.pdf
Machines seem to include
Sharp x68k, netwinder, news MIPS, javastation, luna68k, luna 88k,
Atari, Amiga, Acorn Archimedes, DEC Alpha, Arc MIPS, Bebox, cobalt
Cube, Dreamcast, arm/mips/sh3 netbooks, landisk hp300, hppa, IBM prep,
68k mac, SGI, sun3, shark and more.
All running *nix. Thats quite an impressive list :)
Challenge for the list - identify all the models in the pictures! (can
probably safely exclude the couple of x86 boxes :)