December 2004 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

Wait! There's more including MS-DOS 1.25!!!! was Sanyo MBC-550 (Yuck!) software available

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I'm still digging. I found more 550 stuff. I think this is everything that came with the 550. Here's a chance for you 550 owner's to get the whole set at one shot! Original DS-DOS box and invoice. Original Sanyo Easywriter ver 1.3 disk Original Sanyo disk box with 550 dos ver 2.11 and BASIC 1.25, two original Sanyo disk for InfoStar (set B disk 2 and 3 of 4; disks 1 and 4 are below), original Sanyo disk for DOS 1.25 and BASIC ver 1.1 Original Sanyo disk box with all three original disk of set A, WordStar and CalcStar and a backup copy of DS-DOS. Two card board dummy disks used to protect the floppy drives duing shipment. Joe > >A few weeks ago we were talking about the Sanyo 550 series and someone mentioned one of the alternates operating systems that supported 80 track drives in the 550. I said that was DS-DOS by Michtron. > > Today I found an old Sanyo disk package with four disks for the 550. One of them is DS DOS 2.11, one is InfoStar, one is MailMerge/SpellStar and the other is a disk of misc utilities. The first three are original disks. In additon, the InfoStar, MailMerge/SpellStar are Sanyo labeled disks that came with the 550. If anyone wants them, trade me something I can use and they're all your's. > > Joe

12 years, 6 months

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Has anyone ever heard of theProtec Microsystems PRO-83?

by rdcoll＠hotmail.com

Hello everyone, I just joined this mailing list today on the advice of more than one vintage computing contact. I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about the Protec Microsystems PRO-83 Z80 Single-Board Computer. I have conducted an exhaustive search of the Internet and found only two sites (one from a surplus store and a picture of it from a museum). I would appreciate any information available, especially information regarding the power supply and peripheral devices. Thank you very much. Rob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

13 years, 1 month

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HPIB cables

by donm＠cts.com

I have a couple of HPIB cables available at $15 the pair, shipped. They are: 1 HP10833A ~42" 1 HP92220R ~12" The 92220R has a right-angle connector at one end and the usual straight connector at the other. (I wonder if the 'R' indicates a right hand connector?) First come, first served. - don

13 years, 1 month

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Century Data T2000 exerciser

by nasim786＠earthlink.net

Hi, This is a belated response to a post you made here: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-February/010641.html I happened upon it while doing a 'for fun' search on the net for anything doing with good ol' Century Data, my employer when I was young. Couldn't resist responding to the post, even if it was half a year late! The exerciser that you have is/was for the Trident series of hard disk drives (predecessor to the Marksman). I was the main (in fact, pretty much the ONLY) technician at Century Data/Calcomp, for these exercisers back from the late 1970's to the mid 1980's, when they were phased out. I retired in 1985. Have fun! (BTW, where'd you find one of these dinosaurs??) Take care, Nasim

13 years, 1 month

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VAX/PDP docs. received

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

Received from a former DEC service rep.: If anyone wants scans of a specific piece, I will probably arrange it. This accounts for only the miniscule portion I've managed to sort and catalog in the past 3 hours (about 1/8 of the total number of documentation pieces I received): Communications Options Minireference Manual, vols. 1-7 LSI-11 Systems Service Manual, Vols. 1-3 VAX 8600/8650 System Diagnostics User's Guide Communications Options Minireference Manual VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures Cartridge Tape Service Documentation TK50 Tape Drive Subsystem Owner's Manual TK50 Tape Drive Subsystem User's Guide TK70 Streaming Tape Drive Owner's Manual TK70 Streaming Tape Drive Subsystem Service Manual (MicroVAX II sys.) ThinWire Ethernet COAXIAL CABLE CONNECTOR INSTALLATION CARD H4000 DIGITAL Ethernet Transceiver Installation Manual Fiber Optic Attenuator Installation/Configuration Reference Card LA120 Series Pocket Service Guide LA10X-EJ/EL Tractor Option Installation Guide DECWRITER III LA120 Operator Reference Card LCG01 Color Printer System Pocket Service Guide MicroVAX 3600/VAXserver 3600/3602 Operation KA650 CPU System Maintenance MicroVAX 3600/VAXserver 3600/3602 Technical Information ULTRIX-32 Guide to the Error Logger System LJ250/LJ252 Companion Color Printer Pocket Service Guide LN03 Pocket Service Guide RF-LN03 Pocket Service Guide VAX 6200 Options and Maintenance VAX 6200/6300, VAXserver 6200/6230 Owner's Manual VAXstation 2000 Workstations and MicroVAX 2000 Network Guide ULTRIX-32 Basic Installation Guide for the VAXserver 2000 DECstation 2100/3100 Maintenance Guide MicroVAX 2000 Installation MicroVAX 2000 Operation Addendum: VAXserver 2000 MicroVAX 2000 Operation MicroVAX 2000 Troubleshooting MicroVAX 2000 Technical Information MicroVAX 2000 Customer Services VAXstation 2000 and MicroVAX 2000 Maintenance Guide VAXstation 3100 Maintenance Information VAXstation 3100 Illustrated Parts Breakdown VAXstation 2000 Hardware Information VAXstation 2000 System Guide VAXstation 2000 Network Guide VAX 6000-400 Options and Maintenance VT100 Series Pocket Service Guide VT180 Series Pocket Service Guide VT320 Pocket Service Guide VT330 Pocket Service Guide VT340 Pocket Service Guide VAXcluster Service Reference Manual VAXcluster Service Reference Set VAX 8530/8550/8700/8800/8820/8830/8840 System Maint. Guide 8800 8700 8550 8500 Console User's Guide B213F Expander Installation R215F Expander Maintenance KA655 CPU System Maintenance VAX Architecture Reference Manual CI750 User's Guide BA11-A Mounting Box and Power System Tech. Manual VAX-11/750 Diag. System Overview Manual VAX-11/750 Level 1 Student Workbook (Digital Internal Use Only) VAX-11/750 UNIBUS Interface Technical Description VAX-11/751 User's Guide DELUA User's Guide MicroVAX 2000 Hardware Information MicroVAX VAX 8200/50, 8500/50 The Digital Dictionary, Second Edition VAX Maintenance Handbook (VAX Systems) VAX Maintenance Handbook (VAX-11/780) VAX Maintenance Handbook (VAX-11/750) VAX-11/750 Mini Diag. Ref. Guide RM05 Disk Subsystem Service Manual RM05 Disk Subsystem Student Guide (Digital Internal Use Only) RM03 Disk Drive Maint. Print Set RP04/05/06 Field Maint. Print Set Symptom Directed Diagnosis Tool Kit Installation Guide VAXsimPLUS Field Service Manual Getting Started with VAXsimPLUS VAXsimPLUS User Guide Model 733 DEC Disk Storage Drive Parts Catalog, Jan. 1976 RP04-TC Part II RP04, RP05, RP06 Field Svc. Handbook HSC50 Service Manual HSC Installation Manual VAX 86XX System Maint. Guide RP05/RP06 Field Handbook -Company Confidential- RP05/06 677-01/51 Disc Drive Illustrated Parts Catalog Model 677-01/51 RP05/06 DEC DISC MAINTENANCE Guide (Educ. Svcs.) Digital Education and Training: UNIX Utils & Cmds. Student Guide

13 years, 8 months

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Looking for : Sharp PC-1405

by mhstein＠canada.com

--------------Original Message------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: liste(a)artware.qc.ca Subject: Looking for : Sharp PC-1405 Or equiv (Tandy had them as PC-2 or something, iirc). The goal of my classic collection is to get one of every computer I've programmed over the years. One of the first computers I programmed was a PC-1405 (actually, I can't remember the exact model). I found one of these in a pawn shop. By brother "stole" it. I found another. This was my one classic computer that was helluva useful. So useful I took it with my places. And, well, I've just lost it. I've checked eBay and there are a few Sharp Pocket Computers, but W@W L@@K @ T3H PR1C3Z! Buy it now for "only" 300 USD! http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3000156764&category=15030 So, does anyone here have one they don't need and/or would be willing to let go for a reasonable price? -Philip -------------------------------------- I've got a PC-1421 Financial Computer if you (or anybody) are interested: 76 character keyboard 16 character display 40K ROM Basic 4.2 Kb RAM Interface for optional CE-126 Printer/Cassette (don't have) 6 modes: Normal calculator Financial calculator Statistical calculator Basic program mode Basic run mode Almost new, in box with cover & 280P manual. Make me an offer (less than US$ 300, or even CDN$ 300 :). mike

13 years, 9 months

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8/L has been sold. Have ADM-3A for sale.

by charlesmorris＠direcway.com

The 8/L, ASR33, DF32 disk emulator project has been sold. Thanks for all your interest (and offers). Anyone who wants the DF32 emulator schematic and artwork, I can email you a copy. I hope someone can take my "first draft" and make a useful unit for those who are interested. I have a working ADM-3A that I may want to sell also. It has a homebrewed lower-case 2716 ROM (thanks Steve Loboyko for the font files). I installed the "optional" parts for current loop on the main PCB, and used it with the 8/L. The only thing that's missing is the little aluminum panel covering the dip switches. Any interest? Same deal as before, please email offers, "sealed bids". thanks Charles

13 years, 10 months

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Perkin Elmer 7300 Pro System Museum Quality!

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Here's one some of you might like. Perkin Elmer 7300 Pro System Museum Quality! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2738081449 Current bid US $9.99

14 years, 1 month

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Stag PPZ EPROM programmer

by coredump＠gifford.co.uk

I have a fine old Stag PPZ modular EPROM programmer: http://www.gifford.co.uk/~coredump/inst.htm#PPZ It takes plug-in EPROM (model Zm2000) and PAL (Zm2200) modules, called Z-modules by Stag. I've recently acquired a new module, Zm3000, which looks like a more recent EPROM module. The chips in the Zm3000 are date coded in 1993, whereas the Zm2000 is nearer 1988. The PPZ main unit contains a 6809 CPU and a small CRT display. Does anyone know anything about this system? What about other Z-module types? In particular, should the Zm3000 work with the PPZ, because I currently get an error message "Incorrect Mainframe"? Thanks in advance for any clues! (Virtually all I get from Google is a link back to my own web page!) -- John Honniball coredump(a)gifford.co.uk

14 years, 3 months

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I'm so stupid...

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Back in 1998 (actually more like from summer 1997 until summer 1998, i.e., the 1997-98 school year), before I started Quasijarus Project, I was searching the World high and low for a copy of the 4.3BSD tape set. That was before PUPS got its momentum with getting the $100 "Ancient UNIX" license deal from SCO, and more importantly, getting people interested in preserving and working with Original UNIX, and at that time the entire world was basically in a conspiracy of anathema against original Bell/Berkeley UNIX, everyone just wanted it to stay buried in its grave and not come up. Getting a copy of the 4.3BSD tape set seemed next to impossible. www.berkeley.edu was shockingly silent about the fact that Berkeley UNIX aka BSD, UC Berkeley's greatest accomplishment in all of its history, ever existed, much less saying how to order a tape. Finally I found a phone number and a couple of E-mail addresses for some office at UCB that was apparently kept for sending out tapes after CSRG itself was gutted. The office was basically a voice mailbox and a couple of E-mail addresses, with the two people who were actually supposed to get those E-mail and voice messages being away somewhere in San Francisco and taking a few weeks to answer inquiries. Finally they got back to me and told me to send a check for $2400 for 4.4BSD and $1000 for 4.3BSD. Ouch! And of course some murky business about licenses. At that time, however, I attended Case Western Reserve University (CWRU) and had a semi-staff relationship with their computer science department. I realised that the university must have had a UNIX source license from back in The Days, and most probably had the actual 4.3BSD tapes at some point as well, especially given that the old-timers told me that they were indeed running 11/780s before. But again the conspiracy of anathema was working: everyone had completely forgotten about it, and no one on the entire campus even knew that the university had a UNIX source license (and old-timers confirmed that indeed there was one). When spring 1998 came around, PUPS was making its debut with the $100 license deal from SCO. I didn't care so much about license stuff, but it meant a resurgence of interest in Original UNIX and a community of people involved with it, something that was completely lacking only a few months prior. I wanted access to the PUPS archive, and I wanted to use the university's license rather than fork over $100 for a personal one. The only issue was *finding* that license. Then I got a bright idea: since the license agreement was between CWRU and AT&T, there must have been copies of it on both sides. If CWRU had chosen to forget about the license they once paid big money for, how about if I dig up a copy of the license agreement from AT&T side? So I asked SCO's Dion Johnson about it, and lo and behold, a few days later a copy of CWRU's original UNIX license agreement shows up in my box in the computer science department mail room! Warren Toomey got another copy and soon I got an overseas fax from him with passwords for his PUPS Archive! Whoo-hoo! But I still needed 4.3BSD. It wasn't in Warren's archive since they were still PDP-only at that time, and me holding a copy of my school's AT&T UNIX license agreement didn't help convince anyone I knew who might have had 4.3BSD tapes to share them with me. In late 1997 I got myself an office at CWRU, it was the CES department's computer junkyard room. I was quite happy, a room full of classic computers was the best office I could get. It was actually two rooms, 411 and 412. Only 411 was accessible from the hallway, the entrance to 412 was inside 411. Both rooms were filled with classic computer gear, but 411 was a little less full and actually had some room for a desk and was usable as an office. 412, on the other hand, was *completely* filled with classic computer gear (mostly Sun 3) and it was difficult for a person to make it through to the end of the room. At the very end of room 412 (the end opposite the entrance door from 411) there was something that looked like a plastic curtain or plastic window blinds. The architecture of that building was really intriguing, the kind one finds only on good old university campuses, and I couldn't really tell if there was supposed to be a window there or not. I just never gave it much thought, and it was too difficult to climb over all that Sun 3 gear in the way to see exactly what it was. On a shelf in room 411 there were some magtape reels, and I thought that if they ever had 4.3BSD tapes, they ought to be there. But I looked through all the tapes I could see and 4.3BSD wasn't there. Bummer. Then one day in summer 1998 I came to work in the morning, went up the stairs to my beloved Computer Engineering and Science department 4th floor, went to the end of the hallway to my office, and got in. I turned on the lights and per my usual habit, peeked all over the room to make sure all the fun classic computers were still there. And lo and behold, at the very end of room 412, where I previously saw those plastic curtains or window blinds or whatever, I now saw two racks full of magtapes! It turned out that the plastic "curtains" were actually vertically sliding doors (kinda like garage doors) of two huge magtape cabinets! Another staff member must have had a need to get some old magtape and didn't close the cabinet after he was done. With trembling hands, I raced there and started looking through all the tapes. And sure enough, in a few minutes I found all 3 tapes of the 4.3BSD 1600 BPI distribution. I spent pretty much the whole year prior to that moment searching the World high and low for 4.3BSD tapes when they were sitting the whole time in my own office! Now that's a "Duh!" moment. MS

15 years, 9 months

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Bernoulli/Syquest carts available

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I've more of these than anyone will need and they're all brand new. 3 packs of Bernoulli 5.25 44meg disks KAO 5.25 88meg syquest disks. The label inside says they are formatted for Macs but includes software for wintel machines also. $1 each plus whatever for shipping and they're yours. Just say how many you want. -- I am not willing to give up my privacy for the false promise of 'security'

16 years, 12 months

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Quadram Quadboard

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Does anyone have docs for this beastie? it's an apple-II on a card that goes into an XT... or does anyone have any interest in it? it's been sitting on my shelf for ~ 12 years now...

17 years, 8 months

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Re-finding more items as I open boxes

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: John R. Keys Jr. > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:54 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re-finding more items as I open boxes > > Found the following while unpacking in the warehouse: <<<<<clipped>>>>>> > Took some other goodies home to play with like the 20th Annv. MAC,... > --- 20th Anniversary Mac? You booger... I may have to grab it when you're not looking. ;-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

17 years, 10 months

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The Univac III (in trailer) is back

by ssj152＠charter.net

Well, the Univac III is back: UNIVAC III Computer (In Storage since 1975), eBay auction Item # 2733726990. This time the starting price is $7,500 and the buy-it-now is $11,000. The URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2733726990&category=1247 OK, somebody, jump right on it! :-) (Not me, I'm into LITTLE computers like PDP-11's and VAXen, with an occasional side dish of 6502 or 8085) Stuart Johnson

18 years, 2 months

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Gould Biomation K-105D Logic Analyzer Available

by sloboyko＠yahoo.com

Certainly, there are a lot of logic analyzsers (or analysers, if you are English) floating around. I was told by a guy who specializes in "refurbished" (i.e. dusted off) test equipment that this is because a lot of it is gov't surplus where they just grab the unit. He also mentioned that a lot of university surplus has partially blown pods because of carelessness - due to the nature of what they do, not much protection on the inputs. I have a Tek 1230 which I was lucky enough to get some pods with. I had another one w/o pods and GOOD LUCK on getting schematics, etc on this stuff - it's a "black art" proprietary sort of thing. ===== -Steve Loboyko Incredible wisdom actually found in a commerical fortune cookie: "When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day." Website: http://juliepalooza.8m.com/sl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

18 years, 8 months

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RL02 in Germany

by asholz＠topinform.de

A "Hello" to the European listeners to this list! I'm looking despeately for a RL02. Andreas

19 years, 8 months

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clueless eBay seller for today is:

by aek＠spies.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5150357271 "A shroud of mystery hangs over the history and specification of this classic computer system." -- Good thing he wasn't trying to sell something was really WAS obscure.

19 years, 11 months

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BDV11/M8012 Manual?

by waisun.chia＠hp.com

Quick one: Anybody has softcopy manual of BDV11? Or at least notes on jumper configs... Looked at all the usual places, but didn't come up with anything... /wai-sun

20 years, 3 months

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OT: new info on fuse

by fernande＠internet1.net

Just got back from Radio Shack. I bought a fast blowing 250v 2 amp fuse and installed on in the laserdisc player. Unfortunetly, it blows just as fast as the .75amp fuse. So.... that means I have a dead short somewhere, right? How do I go about checking that? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

20 years, 3 months

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Grandfather system RTE6/VM?

by MGemeny＠pgcps.org

>it's a museum!!! Emulate hardware for display? I agree, I?m running two 2883s on Access under simulation. I run a single 7900 on the TSB E version, and a single 2883 on the F version. The largest real Access system I ever owned/ran had 1 7920 and 3 7900s. What is that, about 47MB. So two 2883s at about 25 MB each would just over the largest real system I ever ran. If you want real drives, the most rugged of them was the 7900, IMHO. The 7920 was fine, but not as tough as the 7900. The 7905 was the one that seemed to me to crash for no reason at all. I always held my breath when I spun up one of those. It seemed as though every time I got one for my inventory I would have one fail on a customer?s site. So I cursed that drive so much that I would never even try to run one on my systems. BTW Jay, Al, I have a set of 2100 Access micro-code. My brother has offered to take a shot at making copies of the ROMs. He did it once before for me in the early to mid 80s. Perhaps if he can make 2 copy sets, we could send one set to Al to be read and archived, and when he?s done have him forward them to Jay to test the copies in real hardware.

20 years, 4 months

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Relay computers

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

> Imagine implementing this trivial logic: > y1 = a & b; > y2 = a & c; one relay

20 years, 5 months

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The DFWCUG Historical CPU Preservation Society

by aek＠spies.com

Pat has lost interest in DEC collecting. I spoke to him when I was down there a few months ago. Here is an exerpt from a mail msg from him. Since however, one of us, The famous John R. Wisniewski, from DEC, has passed away, and due to the economics in the present time following 911, when everyone lost so much money and the purse strings have become very tight, we are not able to continue to seek grants or raise funds for a permanent place to store and show these, so at some time in the future, the entire collection will probably be liquidated. -- I will forward his current email adr through private email to Emanuel.

20 years, 5 months

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cool - Classic Computers 2005 Calendar

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

I always wanted to do this, but now it is too late! Looks like a nice calendar featuring home computers >from the 70's and 80's (No PDPs) - $12.99. I have no affiliation with this website. http://www.digicraft.com.au/calendars/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com

20 years, 6 months

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Convex SPP(3?) .... Worth saving?

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

Hey guys... I have a line on a Convex machine. The current owner is a guy who attends Govt. auctions and buys bulk, then scraps out stuff for gold/parts/etc... He calls me when he finds anything interesting, so... He says this is a Convex SPP3. (it's _heavy_... around 400 Lbs.) I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know anything more right now. Unfortunately, I have no knowledge of Convex stuff, and a web search turned up some Convex SPP stuff, but not much, and _nothing_ on an "SPP3". Can anyone enlighten me further? (Yep, I know it's an SMP architecture of some sort, but little more than that). A couple of questions... Is this machine historically significant? (I.e. worth saving?) Does anyone know of a source for documentation? (I've done a prelim. web/newsgroup search, but haven't turned anything up) Does anyone have (or know where I can find) a copy of an OS for it (apparently it's a unix variant. He told me that the disks were missing... not unusual for an auction item) 400 lbs is a bit large for me, but if there is a remote chance I can bring this critter back to life (and it's worth saving) it's probably worth the effort. I'll going to try to take a look at it and try to get some sort of model#/ident. Anything I should be looking out for or wary of? -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com

20 years, 6 months

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Possible to speed up I/O subsystem of 5150?

by trixter＠oldskool.org

I have a few IBM model 5150s that I use to code entries for programming competitions and I'd like to try to speed up the hard disk in any way possible. (If you're curious what my last project was, check out http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=13722 to download and try it out -- it displays full-screen full-motion color video with sync'd sound -- yes, on a 4.77MHz 8088, no fooling). I've been looking for any way to speed up the hard disk subsystem (currently WD1002 with Seagate ST225) and I simply can't get more than 130KB/s out of the darn thing... so: - Is there any MFM/RLL 8-bit ISA controller that can read disks at their full 1:1 interleave? If so, where can I get one? 3:1 is the best I've been able to get using the above MFM combination. I haven't tried RLL yet because I don't have any RLL controllers. - If not, do such things exist as 8-bit ISA IDE controllers? I have lots of "little" IDE drives (320MB and 540MB models) that I could hook up. I attempted not one but TWO 8-bit Plus hardcards (both 40MB models), thinking that the embedded drive/controller combo would be better, but my experience with Plus Hardcards (even the 16-bit 120MB versions) is that, after about 8 years, the damn EEPROM forgets everything and it doesn't boot (no BIOS, get a 1701 "controller error"). So I couldn't get either of them to work. (As a result I have 4 Plus hardcards that I am *this close* to throwing away, unless someone has an idea of reviving them :-) Any advice? Or should I just try to find an EMS board and cache my data instead? (Speaking of which, does anyone have a LIM EMS board for sale/trade? Can't seem to find one of those either.) -- Jim Leonard (trixter(a)oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/

20 years, 6 months

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Grid 1520

by mapleleafman＠gmail.com

Hi crew. Question about a Gridacase 1520. Is anyone familiar with these laptops? This is a 286, really good shape. It won't boot, dead as a doornail. The guy at the thrift shop told me it was working when it was brought in the day before, now I see that two (or one) chips are missing from under the flap in the top left right above the keyboard. I figure they were lifted between dropoff and my buying it. Any ideas if these chips, which I think are application roms, would prevent the thing from booting? If so, is there such a thing as a replacement available from someone here or elsewhere? The thing must have been the first Toughbook or something, and I'd love to see it working. Thanks for any info anyone can share. (does anyone still need a gmail invite? I have lots. ) Brian Mahoney

20 years, 6 months

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Who Made/Makes the World Smallest Harddrive

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

IS it IBM? I need one for a museum display we are putting together. Thanks

20 years, 6 months

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Waterloo MicroWAT ?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>is this the small 50 pin cage thing made by Northern Digital?? or the >Superpet? >Mine has a 6502 and 6809 I think - the switch powered >one cpu or the other... >h Hi Heinz, Yes - this is the little box made by Northern Digital - it was apparently developed at U or Waterloo. There is only a 6809 inside, and no selection switch. (My SuperPET does have dual CPUs and a switch to select). Do you have one with dual CPU's? - Any additional information? Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

20 years, 6 months

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Speaking of eBay

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

This one may be insane - or maybe it's me. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5150431291 An "original" Akalabeth (pre Ultima) game for the Apple ][ from 1980 - $1,225. A hefty price for a 5.25" floppy and 6 sheets of paper. . . -- Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum

20 years, 6 months

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Trying to get running an LSI 11/23

by vcf＠siconic.com

I've been tinkering with this mutt LSI 11/23 system I've got and am trying to get it running. It's a custom-built system that has a mix of DEC and third-party boards. It's configured as follows--my apologies if I'm not conforming to standard DEC notation here [notes in brackets]: Cage 1 Slot 1: DEC M8186 | CAMINTONN 504 [1] Slot 2: Dataram Diceon [2] Slot 3: Data Systems Design A4432-4 | Grant Continuity [3] Slot 4: Emulex TU0110401 [4] Cage 2 Slot 1: Emulex Tu1110406 [5] Slot 2: Grant Continuity | Digital Pathways TCU-50DYR [6] Slot 3: MDB DLV-11J | DEC M9400 [7] Slot 4: Empty [8] Notes: 1. I believe the Camintonn card is memory 2. This has "RK:" written on the handle...an RK05 disk controller? 3. The Data Systems Design card has "DY:" written on the handle. 4. Tape controller; is connected by 25-conductor ribbon cable to adjoining Emulex card. 5. See note 4. 6. A real-time clock 7. The M9400 has "HB BOOT" written on the board. Is this the boot ROM card? 8. Does there need to be a bus terminator here? The DLV-11J is a 4-port serial card. Thanks to those who provided the documentation to get it wired. I think I have it correct. I've jumpered pin 3 to the RxD line and Pin 8 to the TxD line on my RS232 port. I've also jumpered pin 4 to ground as directed. The system powers up. There are +5V and +12V LEDs on the front of the panel that come on, and I've checked these lines at the power supply and they are good. One oddity: the terminal marked -12V is a perfect -0.00 on my volt meter. WTF? Anyway, how can I tell if anything is happening inside this thing? I can hit the BOOT switch and the RUN light goes on. There's a RUN switch with a momentary HALT position and an ENABLE position. I can hit the HALT switch and the RUN light goes off. I put the switch back in the ENABLE position and then hit the BOOT switch and the RUN light goes back on. I see nothing on my terminal (a PC running Procomm Plus in DOS so I have real serial ports instead of the bullshit that Win98 tries to pawn off as serial ports). I eventually want to boot RT-11 off floppies on this system. I guess I'll need a disk controller at some point. I'm completely lame. This is the first DEC system I've seriously tried to get running so I'm starting from -1 here. Any ideas? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Anyone have a Seagate ST01 or 2 ?

by aek＠spies.com

>from Fred van Kempen Al, Can you ask the list, or anyone, if anyone has an old Seagate ST01 and/or ST02 controller available? I cant post to the list from my biz address.. -- I think these were PC scsi cards.

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Sweet.. New toy..

by dholland＠woh.rr.com

/me just got a early Xmas present. I got what should be a relatively complete Vax 4000-300, console, cables, and w/ some form of MO jukebox. Might even have a line on a small pile of tapes for the thing.. I don't know very little about the spec's on the box, as I literally just got ahold of it.. Looks like its got a fair bit of SCSI, and Ethernet in it. I'd guess its only got 32Mb of memory as I only saw one obvious MS670 memory board. (It took that many chips to make 32MB!?) The only concern I've got is, while its been stored in doors most of its life, its been outdoors since Monday, and its gotten _COLD_. I think it'll need a day or two just to warm up. I see what appears to be at least some documentation up on bitsavers, at least the phrase KA670 seems to match up what's on the little tag at the bottom of the unit. Does anyone have any other suggested hardware documentation site's they think would be worthwhile to point me at? Thanks, /me goes back to poking at the innards. :-) David

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Intel iPDS in general

by dmabry＠mich.com

All this talk about the Intel iPDS has peaked my interest, at least for now. So I have been doing a little investigation on what exactly I have and here are some of the details. The iPDS is an 8085-based portable development system. PDS was said to stand for Personal Development System or Portable Development System. Intel's manual called it Personal Development System, so that must be it. The main processor board (and it was one monolithic system board with cables to the keyboard, crt, and floppy drive. Besides the main cpu with 64KB of ram, there was a second 8085 that implemented the keyboard and crt terminal. So the main cpu only talked through an I/O port to get "console in" and "console out". The main board also had an 8272 (I think that was the chip) to control the floppy drive. It had one internal 96-tpi double-sided floppy drive that held about 650K bytes. It used MFM encoding, I guess required by the 8272. There were three connectors on the back panel for I/O. One was a serial port. It was a 25-pin D female. It could be jumpered to appear as a DCE or a DTE. From the factory it was strapped to be a DCE. That was probably to be consistent with the MDS-800 and port 1 of the Series II. The 800 required, and the Series II accomodated an external crt terminal as the "console". Since the iPDS had an integral console (built-in crt and keyboard) I strapped my serial port to be a DTE so that I could connect it directly to a modem. In those days, of course, the BBS was dominate for communications to the world, and a modem was highly desirable for that. There was also a 25-pin D female connector to drive a Centronix-compatible printer. It used the same pinout as the 800 and the Series II. Finally there was a 37-pin D female that could connect up an external floppy drive. Remember, the standard iPDS from Intel had only one floppy drive built in. One very cool option was a second cpu board. It has its own 8085 and 64K of ram. It cabled to the main processor board and would use the integral keyboard, crt, and floppy with the use of a software semaphore to prevent both processors from accessing a device at the same time. Another option was a daughter board that accomodated up to four iSBX boards. When that was installed you could install one or two iSBX-251 bubble memory cards. Those cards were 128K bytes in size and the operating systems from Intel would support them as logical disk drives. You could even boot from the internal bubble device. Very advanced for its time, I'd say. Intel, of course, wanted users to take advantage of their ISIS-PDS operating system. It would boot from the bubble or from the floppy drive. And with ISIS, the file and device locking routines would allow both cpu's, if you had the optional second processor installed, to boot, access files, etc, and you could switch between the processors with a function key. It was truly a multi-processor system, actually two very logically distinct computers in one. Often I would be editing one file while compiling, linking, locating, etc, another file, using both cpu's that way. Remember, of course, the only operating systems for small computers like that were single-user, single-tasking. Intel also sold a version of CP/M-80 V2.2 for the iPDS. But due to licensing issues, and possibly technical issues, CP/M would only boot >from one of the two processors. It was simply software in the BIOS to disable the "B" processor. However, a clever workaround was to have ISIS loaded in a bubble device, boot one processor from that device, and let the other boot from CP/M on the floppy drive. There were times that I would document a project that I was working on using Wordstar on a CP/M-booted processor while developing code on the ISIS-booted processor. I have a good collection of software for the iPDS, so if anyone who has a working machine, I would be willing to send out copies of what I have. I have made Teledisk images of boot floppies that can be recreated on an IBM-AT compatible on the HD drive. I also have decent comm software that will transfer files through the serial port to and >from a PC. Oh well, I guess you can see how bored I am to spend Christmas Eve typing this up, but I wanted to get it written down while it was all fresh in my mind. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all!!! Dave Mabry

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Intel iPDS in general

by melamy＠earthlink.net

that was the seeyuzz river... At 09:48 PM 12/31/2004, Dave Mabry wrote: >Who was it who wanted to know more about the multimodule addon board for >the iPDS? I have a photo that I can send to him. Let me know. > >Dave

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Waterloo MicroWAT ?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

At 15:33 30/12/2004 -0800, you wrote: >> Anyone here know anything about the "MicroWAT" computer, which was >> developed at the University of Waterloo in Ontario Canada around 1980. >> >> I just acquired one - this is a small 6809 based computer, which I am >> told is very similar/somewhat compatible with the Waterloo 6809 coprocessor >> in the Commodore SuperPET. > >Actually, according to my information, it *is* a SuperPET. See > > http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/pet.html Thanks - I too found this reference, however it is in error - the MicroWAT I have is actually a stand-alone computer in a small box with a power supply, small card cage, three serial ports and an IEEE connector (I have one here in front of me). I also did uncover a Waterloo document entitled: "Waterloo Microcomputer Systems for the 1980's" by D.D. Cowan and J.W. Graham at the University of Waterloo in which they describe the MicroWAT and the SuperPET as separate systems: "It was noted that on campus there were more than 1000 'dumb' ASCII terminals, mostly with CRTs and keyboards, and a study was initiated to consider the problems in their conversion to personal workstations meeting our specifications. The study led to the design of the microWAT a prototype of which became operational in December 1980 ..." "The microWAT is a computer system of one or more circuit boards mounted on a rather simple bus. A typical system consists of 4 cards, namely the CPU card, 48K RAM card, 64k bank-switched ROM card and the IEEE-488 bus interface card. The system can be mounted inside most of our ASCII terminals ... If desired or necessary, the microWAT can be mounted in its own chassis with it's own power supply." "At the same time as the development of the microWAT, we investigated the possibility of expanding existing microcomputers by providing them with a large memory so that they could incorporate our planned software. We modified a PET microcomputer by adding 64k of bank-switched RAM, a 6809 microprocessor and an RS232 interface. This design eventually let to the Commodore SuperPET which is a personal workstation similar to the microWAT". >From there it goes on to describe the waterloo software and languages, with no real distinction between the microWAT the the SuperPET - so the above is really all I know for certain about the microWAT, however it does appear to be distinct from, but related to the SuperPET. Once the holidays are over, I will contact the curator of the York museum in Toronto, as I am certain that he has mentioned to me in past conversation a stand-alone 6809 based system that was developed at Waterloo - perhaps he will be able to fill in some details, however if anyone else has information to offer, please do step forward. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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2005

by geoffreythomas＠onetel.com

Blwyddyn Newydd Dda - Happy new year To all on the list. I'm a republican - but not in the way you're thinking ! ( :^) Geoff. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/04

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Votrax PSS Auction almost over!

by aek＠spies.com

> I hope to see the whole thing scanned (and I want to see the scans too). And this information is worth how much to you?

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Votrax PSS Auction almost over!

by jgevaryahu＠hotmail.com

The auction for the nearly complete Votrax PSS is almost over! Come on, I'm hoping someone on the list manages to get it in the end, because it has the complete manual, including the advanced procedures section and the section about updating the internal list of substitution words! (the seller sent me that info) Here's the auction link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=5151487740&… I hope to see the whole thing scanned (and I want to see the scans too). Jonathan Gevaryahu lord_nightmare_(a)t_users.sf.net jgevaryahu_(a)t_hotmail.com

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Looking for RM05/CDC-9766 Owners

by cvendel＠att.net

I am looking to exchange notes and information with anyone else who owns RM05's and/or CDC-9766 300MB SMD drives. You can contact me off-list: curt(a)atarimuseum.com Thanks, Curt

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New bounties for the new year ($$$)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm seeking the following software for a client: Title Publisher Context MBA Context Management Systems Open Access Software Products International Intuit Noumenon Corp. Aura Softrend, Inc. Jack2 Business Solutions The Incredible Jack Business Solutions Jack Report Business Solutions Has ya gots any? E-mail me directly and let's talk! Looking to buy and will pay generously. Only one more day but I'll beat everyone to it: Happy New Year! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Intel MDS Series II poll

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have an MDS 800, not running, and several iPDS intel development systems. I also have an Intel 330, a 380 and several 310s for Multibus I systems. A recent addition is an 80/10 rack mount system (4 slot Multibus I with a SBC 80/10). I have had all of the development systems go through my hands in the early 90s when we were buying truckloads from intel. I have tinkered with most. About 1993 we sold all of our Multibus cards to Inbus. Did anyone on the list get the intel IPSC that sold on ebay last month. Paxton Astoria, OR

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Waterloo MicroWAT ?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

>> From there it goes on to describe the waterloo software and languages, with >> no real distinction between the microWAT the the SuperPET - so the above isx >> really all I know for certain about the microWAT, however it does appear to >> be distinct from, but related to the SuperPET. > >Based on that document, yes, it does sound like they are indeed separate >units. Is there a 6502 in yours, or is it 6809 only? > >I'll update my page. It has only a 6809 in it, which doesn't suprise me, since I don't believe the 6502 is actually used by the Waterloo software once the SuperPET is switched to 6809 mode. I am planning an update to my site within the next couple of weeks, and I will include photos of the microWAT (inside and out), as well as the document that I have, and whatever other information I can turn up between now and then. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Intel MDS Series II poll

by dmabry＠mich.com

Ok, I've been on a kick lately to get my Intel MDS Series II systems working as much as I can. So my interest in them is peaking. I'd like to know who has Series II's on this list, if you don't mind admitting it. I know that Tony, Joe, Steve, Dwight, and a few others do. And Joe can probably supply anyone who wants one with a system. ;) Just kidding Joe. You are hanging onto yours as an investment, right? I know I am!!! These last couple of days I copied images of the ROM code that makes up an upgrade for the Series II called iMDX-511. It was all new firmware for the IOC board (4 2716's) and a new firmware in the keyboard (8741A) to implement the upgrade. It turned the RPT (repeat) key into a "function" (FCTN) key. And along with the latest version of ISIS (4.3) you had the capability to hit FCTN-D for "DIR " or FCTN-T for " TO " and many other "soft" keys for ISIS command line shortcuts. It also added cursor addressability to the integral CRT and some attributes, like reverse video, blinking, underline, etc. All stuff that we take for granted today, but in those days it was a big thing!!! Anyway, if anyone is interested I can make the binaries available and help those of you who have these beasts get it implemented. Any takers? Dave Mabry

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LF: Tektronix Model 31 Info AVL: Olivetti Programma 101 parts/docs

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Hi Guys, Just picked up an Tektronix Model 31 desktop calculator. This is a fairly old (early 70s) desktop programmable with built in tape storage and printer. Looking for information/documenation on it - all I got was the bare unit (which looks to be in good shape). Also got a stack of circuit boards from an Olivetti Programma 101 (early 60s) as well as the general reference manual and some programming sheets - unfortunately the machine itself was "taken apart" many years ago and this is all that remains - the boards are very interesting and worth keeping on their own, as they utilize discrete resistor/transistor logic modules. However, if someone on this list has a Programma 101 in need of parts, I would rather see them used to heal a whole machine instead of sitting on my shelf as curiosities. Regards, Dave PS: Also picked up a "MicroWat" - 6809 based computer built by the University of Waterloo in Canada - if anyone has info please contact me. -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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Powermac 8100/80 RAM question

by richard.beaudry＠gmail.com

>From: Tom Peters <tpeters(a)mixcom.com> >Subject: Re: Powermac 8100/80 RAM question >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > >I have lots of old 72-pin SIMMs laying around. What are you looking for? Actually, I have a metric crapload of PC 72-pin SIMMs lying around, and the Mac that needs more RAM. Just wondering if I could make a match. It seems like it will, from all the replies, so maybe some of that RAM can find a home.... Thanks to all for the replies! Rich B.

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Reviving old hard drives

by sloboyko＠yahoo.com

1. Very early full height drives had a real "brake", like a brake shoe on a car, that locks when power is disengaged. Maybe this is sticking. 2. Very early drives son't have any kind of embedded servo/voice coil technology - they used a stepper only. I recall that those didn't like to operate outside of a narrow temperature range (50-100F), probably coefficient of expension problems. I remember that we were so excited when our first Shugart 5M full height came in we formatted it immediately after it had been in a UPS truck for days during the winter - and it produced numerous errors. Two hours later, we reformatted it and it was fine. So, I don't know how well the temperature trick will work. It might work for a few minutes between "too cold" and "too hot"... ===== -Steve Loboyko Website: http://juliepalooza.8m.com/sl Nixie Watch (one-tube):http://juliepalooza.8m.com/sl/complwatch.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com

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OT: merry stuff

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

merry xmas (where x = ?) thought I'd get there first :-P enjoy yourselves this weekend, people!

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Noisy profile hard drive

by cb＠mythtech.net

I've got someone asking me about a Profile hard drive in a Lisa 2/10. He says it makes a loud screaming noise when it is running. Maybe bad bearings? Anyone seen this with the Profile drives? Any idea if it is fatal? Any idea if it can be repaired? Any advise I can pass on would be great. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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8' floppy drive.

by c3636b＠hotmail.com

Hi Rich, Do you still have Shugart 801 8" floppy driver and can you ship it to = Hong Kong. How much it cost. Please be advise. Thanks Ben

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Waterloo MicroWAT ?

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Anyone here know anything about the "MicroWAT" computer, which was developed at the University of Waterloo in Ontario Canada around 1980. I just acquired one - this is a small 6809 based computer, which I am told is very similar/somewhat compatible with the Waterloo 6809 coprocessor in the Commodore SuperPET. Looking for any information on it, as well as software (it apparently uses an IEEEish drive like the PET - in fact, it is possible/likely that a CBM drive is what it was designed for) One burning question - when I opened the machine, I found five cards in the slots - an I/O card, a CPU card (with a bit of ROM), a ROM card, and two RAM cards - tucked into the gap left by the two remaining empty slots was a small sealed board wrapped up in a plastic bag. This board is only perhaps 2-1/2 inches high (1/2 height or less of the other boards), and is completely encased in a shell, perhaps 1" thick, and is filled with potting compound - the only part visible is the edge card connector. In other words, it looks like a 1" x 2-1/2" black box with an edge card connector protruding from it - it will fit the slots, although I'm not completely certain which way it goes in (it could face either way). Anyone know what this board is? Could it be related to the "Secret" little daughter board in the SuperPET (the one whose function was never documented)? [If it's like that board, then it would be required for the system to function, which would lead to the question - why was it unplugged and wrapped up?] any info or pointers for either the machine, card or both would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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