24 Sep
2004
24 Sep
'04
11:34 a.m.
Pat has lost interest in DEC collecting. I spoke to him when
I was down there a few months ago. Here is an exerpt from a
mail msg from him.
Since however, one of us, The famous John R. Wisniewski, from
DEC, has passed away, and due to the economics in the present
time following 911, when everyone lost so much money and the
purse strings have become very tight, we are not able to continue
to seek grants or raise funds for a permanent place to store and
show these, so at some time in the future, the entire collection
will probably be liquidated.
--
I will forward his current email adr through private email to
Emanuel.
20 Jan
20 Jan
2:28 p.m.
New subject: The DFWCUG DEc collection up for sale
The DFWCUG collection is now truely "on the block" and up for sale as a whole
collection.
Does anyone know what the asking price is?
I really doubt someone could put up the money for the whole collection, as
unique as it is.
My guess it will probably end up on with a variety of collectors (and I hope
I'm one)
The contact information is on the page as well as a lot of photos!
You may now go to the photos and commence salivating!
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
I don't think we will ever see a DEC collection again like this!
Cheers
Tom
Al Kossow wrote:
Pat has lost interest in DEC collecting. I spoke to
him when
I was down there a few months ago. Here is an exerpt from a
mail msg from him.
Since however, one of us, The famous John R. Wisniewski, from
DEC, has passed away, and due to the economics in the present
time following 911, when everyone lost so much money and the
purse strings have become very tight, we are not able to continue
to seek grants or raise funds for a permanent place to store and
show these, so at some time in the future, the entire collection
will probably be liquidated.
--
I will forward his current email adr through private email to
Emanuel.
--
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the beginning.
22 Jan
22 Jan
2 a.m.
New subject: The DFWCUG DEc collection up for sale
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html :
"The entire collection is offered as a single lot."
Doesn't seem a particularly bright decision, mixing
$5 stuff with $5000 piece(s). There are clearly two types
of items, very old, and very recent and they have
really different types of buyers.
John A.
2:57 a.m.
New subject: The DFWCUG DEc collection up for sale
> http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
:
> "The entire collection is offered as a single lot."
Doesn't seem a particularly bright decision,
mixin
$5 stuff with $5000 piece(s).
Getting best price isn't always the goal. Preserving the
collection intact can be a perfectly valid goal to the current
caretaker, even if you (or I) don't see the thread tying it all
together.
Actually I do see the thread tying it all together, John Wisniewski
gathered it all.
And the $5 vs $5000 thing is a red herring, while on E-bay there
is a high correlation between "collectability" and price at any given
moment, the items that end up being historically interesting may well
be the $5 ones!
Tim.
6:22 a.m.
New subject: The DFWCUG DEc collection up for sale
the $5 vs $5000 thing is a red herring
Similar thoughts crossed my mind when I wrote this.
The collectors $5000 is the resellers $5 And Vice Versa.
Either way, they should divide the lot IMHO.
John Wisniewski gathered it all.
I think we need to hear more about him.
Preserving the collection intact can be a perfectly
valid goal...
Then I wish they wouldn't pile the keyboards three
feet high. :}
John A.
25 Jan
25 Jan
2 a.m.
New subject: The DFWCUG DEc collection up for sale
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Tom Ponsford wrote:
You may now go to the photos and commence salivating!
http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hcsale/index.html
I don't think we will ever see a DEC collection again like this!
Sure you will:
http://www.computerhistory.org
DEC donated their museum to the CHM years ago, which includes the
prototype PDP-1 etc.
THE DFWCUG collection is nice, but it's not unprecedented. I wish their
web pages gave more information about the collection. I doubt they'll be
able to sell it all in one shot. If so, whoever buys it will surely part
it out. If I had the money and time, that's what I'd do.
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7:13 a.m.
New subject: The DFWCUG DEc collection up for sale
>> Sellam Ismail Wrote:
>>
>>
>> THE DFWCUG collection is nice, but it's not unprecedented.
>> I wish their web pages gave more information about the
>> collection. I doubt they'll be able to sell it all in one
>> shot. If so, whoever buys it will surely part it out. If
>> I had the money and time, that's what I'd do.
>>
>> --
Evil pure and simple! (parting out a collection if it is not unavoidable).
8:55 a.m.
New subject: The DFWCUG DEc collection up for sale
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, David V. Corbin wrote:
I really don't see any way around it. This wouldn't be the first time I
was wrong about something, but it doesn't seem to me that this collection
is very refined. There's a lot of hardware there, and as has been already
pointed out, there is a lot of crap interspersed with a lot of gems. To
find someone who's going to clean out every last module in one shot
does not seem very likely to happen in this case. So either the terms of
the sale need to change, or someone with a big wad of cash and lots of
time needs to buy it all up, sort out the crap from the good stuff, keep
what they want, and then dump the rest, either selling it off or hauling
it off to the scrapper.
Reality bytes.
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>> Sellam
Ismail Wrote:
>>
>>
>> THE DFWCUG collection is nice, but it's not unprecedented.
>> I wish their web pages gave more information about the
>> collection. I doubt they'll be able to sell it all in one
>> shot. If so, whoever buys it will surely part it out. If
>> I had the money and time, that's what I'd do.
>>
>> --
Evil pure and simple! (parting out a collection if it is not unavoidable).
11:38 a.m.
New subject: The DFWCUG DEc collection up for sale
>> > >>> Sellam Ismail Wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> THE DFWCUG collection is nice, but it's not unprecedented.
>> > >>> I wish their web pages gave more information about
>> the collection.
>> > >>> I doubt they'll be able to sell it all in one shot. If so,
>> > >>> whoever buys it will surely part it out. If I had
>> the money and
>> > >>> time, that's what I'd do.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> >
>> > Evil pure and simple! (parting out a collection if it is
>> not unavoidable).
>>
>> I really don't see any way around it. This wouldn't be the
>> first time I was wrong about something, but it doesn't seem
>> to me that this collection is very refined. There's a lot
>> of hardware there, and as has been already pointed out,
>> there is a lot of crap interspersed with a lot of gems. To
>> find someone who's going to clean out every last module in
>> one shot does not seem very likely to happen in this case.
>> So either the terms of the sale need to change, or someone
>> with a big wad of cash and lots of time needs to buy it all
>> up, sort out the crap from the good stuff, keep what they
>> want, and then dump the rest, either selling it off or
>> hauling it off to the scrapper.
>>
>> Reality bytes.
>>
>> --
>>
Sellam,
I know, my original response [included above] was rather "hardline". There
does appear to be "junk" [remember ones man's junk is anothers treausre]
from viewing the photos, and that could easily be split
off. The worst of
all possible scenarios I can envision is someone managing to get
the "good
stuff" at a low price and then splitting up systems or even selling off
working core plane as art.
David.
1:05 p.m.
New subject: The DFWCUG DEc collection up for sale
--- "David V. Corbin" <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net> wrote:
Sellam,
I know, my original response [included above] was
rather "hardline". There
does appear to be "junk" [remember ones man's junk
is anothers treausre]
from viewing the photos, and that could easily be
split off. The worst of
all possible scenarios I can envision is someone
managing to get the "good
stuff" at a low price and then splitting up systems
or even selling off
working core plane as art.
I agree that the lot needs to be split up.
Ideally it can be bought by someone in the
collecting or museum community who can do
this in an appropriate manner. I suspect
there would be no problem finding takers
for the 8/I's, for example, sold individually.
I know of at least one individual who would be
interested in one, right here in this very room. ;)
Realistically, museums are always tight on space,
and even if their charter allows them to buy
artifacts in the first place (rather than accepting
donations only), there is way too much duplication
in this lot.
David: Yes, there is a special place in hell
for folks who turn working core planes into "art"...
--Bill
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