21 Dec
2004
21 Dec
'04
2:59 a.m.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=51…
"A shroud of mystery hangs over the history and specification of this classic
computer system."
--
Good thing he wasn't trying to sell something was really WAS obscure.
21 Dec
21 Dec
4:23 a.m.
Rumor has it that Al Kossow may have mentioned these words:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=51…
"A shroud of mystery hangs over the history and specification of this
classic computer system."
Good thing he wasn't trying to sell something was really WAS obscure.
At least he didn't want $10,000 USD for the mystery, either... ;-)
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger | "Bugs of a feather flock together."
sysadmin, Iceberg Computers | Russell Nelson
zmerch(a)30below.com |
6:25 a.m.
He certainly hasn't found your website, has he Al? At least he's not
claiming that it's "complete and fully functional" like the seller of that
recent F-series 1000 did.
Joe
At 08:59 AM 12/21/04 -0800, Al wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=51…
"A shroud of mystery hangs over the history and specification of this
classic
computer system."
--
Good thing he wasn't trying to sell something was really WAS obscure.
7:08 a.m.
He certainly hasn't found your website, has he
Al? At least he's not
claiming that it's "complete and fully functional" like the seller of that
recent F-series 1000 did.
Joe
I'd noticed that it's missing something from that back. That's not the card
cage is it? What is it missing?
Zane
7:22 a.m.
At 01:08 PM 12/21/04 -0800, Zane wrote:
The I/O cards go in the rear and as you noticed there are no I/O cards
in it. The memory and related cards go in the front under the switch panel
and we can only wonder what's there (or not there!) I don't see the battery
simulator plug that plugs into the rear so it's unlikely that it will power
and and pass self-test but of course the seller only claimed that "it
powers up". Not that that means much. You could remove the PSU and all the
cards and the fans would still "power up". Anybody that buys anything like
this with so little information is buying a real pig in a poke!
About the only good thing about it is that the CPU card is under the
chassis and most gold-scrappers miss them so MOST likely you will at least
get the CPU card.
Joe
He
certainly hasn't found your website, has he Al? At least he's not
claiming that it's "complete and fully functional" like the seller of that
recent F-series 1000 did.
Joe
I'd noticed that it's missing something from that back. That's not the card
cage is it? What is it missing?
Zane
25 Dec
25 Dec
3:21 a.m.
Many HP 1000's don't need a battery 'cheater' plug. If you have the
common '6615' power supply (without battery backup) the machine
will power up perfectly in about 1/3 the time needed by HP 1000's
that have battery backup (and need the cheater plug).
Also if you remove the power supply, there will be no power to the
fans, as these are fed by in-line clips to leads from the power supply
chassis (and two of the 4 fans would be missing).
This machine clearly does have a power supply, it looks like a steal
to me.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: clueless eBay seller for today is:
At 01:08 PM 12/21/04 -0800, Zane wrote:
The I/O cards go in the rear and as you noticed there are no I/O cards
in it. The memory and related cards go in the front under the switch
panel
and we can only wonder what's there (or not there!) I don't see the
battery
simulator plug that plugs into the rear so it's unlikely that it will
power
and and pass self-test but of course the seller only claimed that "it
powers up". Not that that means much. You could remove the PSU and all the
cards and the fans would still "power up". Anybody that buys anything
like
this with so little information is buying a real pig in a poke!
About the only good thing about it is that the CPU card is under the
chassis and most gold-scrappers miss them so MOST likely you will at least
get the CPU card.
Joe
He
certainly hasn't found your website, has he Al? At least he's
not
claiming that it's "complete and fully functional" like the seller of
that
recent F-series 1000 did.
Joe
I'd noticed that it's missing something from that back. That's not the
card
cage is it? What is it missing?
Zane
11:28 a.m.
On the HP power supply and cheater plug...
I'm fairly certain, although not positive, that you can "fix" this problem.
A) Get a battery cheater plug. Of course that's the obvious answer. I think
it's a 1K resistor across pins 3 & 6. But...
or
B) I THINK that you can cleanly and effectively remove the battery backup
option from the HP power supply by opening the power supply and removing two
printed circuit cards. The power supply still works perfectly, just no
batter backup. I have never tried this, but I am quite sure that the battery
backup option could be added to a power supply which didn't include the
option. When you ordered this, you got two PCA's that went into the power
supply, plus the battery itself. So if you don't have the batter, and no
cheater plug, I think you could just remove the two PCA's and run fine.
Jay
26 Dec
26 Dec
3:56 a.m.
I can't find my scanned copy of the HP 1000 power supply manual which
has the details, but think the specified resistor plug value is
something 820, not 1K. In practice that difference might not matter.
On the 21MX "B" type power supplies the Battery Chager Board
(5061-1348) plugs into an empty slot on the power supply motherboard,
but the Battery Backup Board (5061-1349) replaces the Jumper Board
(5061-1351). I don't have a Jumper Board to look at and I can't find
the right manual with the schematic of the Jumper Board but I'm pretty
sure it has some components on it and the power supply would not
operate if neither it nor the Batter Backup Board were installed.
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:28:24 -0600, Jay West <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On the HP power supply and cheater plug...
I'm fairly certain, although not positive, that you can "fix" this
problem.
A) Get a battery cheater plug. Of course that's the obvious answer. I think
it's a 1K resistor across pins 3 & 6. But...
or
B) I THINK that you can cleanly and effectively remove the battery backup
option from the HP power supply by opening the power supply and removing two
printed circuit cards. The power supply still works perfectly, just no
batter backup. I have never tried this, but I am quite sure that the battery
backup option could be added to a power supply which didn't include the
option. When you ordered this, you got two PCA's that went into the power
supply, plus the battery itself. So if you don't have the batter, and no
cheater plug, I think you could just remove the two PCA's and run fine.
Jay
2 Aug
2 Aug
1:55 p.m.
New subject: SHIPPING
Glen,
I got your payment and your shipment will go out tomorrow via FedEx.
Joe
7:32 p.m.
New subject: SHIPPING
Chad Fernandez wrote:
Joe R. wrote:
>Glen,
>
> I got your payment and your shipment will go out tomorrow via FedEx.
>
> Joe
Cool! What are you sending everybody? :-)
I don't know, but the downside is that he seems to want payment first :^)
Zane
--
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
3 Aug
3 Aug
1:10 a.m.
New subject: SHIPPING
At 07:32 PM 8/2/05 -0700, you wrote:
Chad Fernandez wrote:
It's a surprise! Send money and find out :-)
Joe
Joe R. wrote:
>Glen,
>
> I got your payment and your shipment will go out tomorrow via FedEx.
>
> Joe
>Cool! What are you sending everybody? :-)
I don't know, but the downside is that he seems to want payment first :^)
Zane
--
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
7:16 a.m.
New subject: SHIPPING
At 03:10 AM 8/3/2005, Joe R. wrote:
As a teen in the late 70s, I remember buying more than a few
"surprise boxes" from surplus electronics companies.
Maybe you've hit upon a great way to lighten your collection.
- John
>Cool! What
are you sending everybody? :-)
It's a surprise! Send money and find out :-)
7:42 a.m.
New subject: SHIPPING
Am 3 Aug 2005 8:10 meinte Joe R.:
At 07:32 PM 8/2/05 -0700, you wrote:
>Chad Fernandez wrote:
>>Joe R. wrote:
>>>Glen,
>>> I got your payment and your shipment will go out tomorrow via FedEx.
>>> Joe
>>Cool! What are you sending everybody? :-)
It's a surprise! Send money and find out :-)
Gimme your account information :)
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 7.0 am 29/30.April und 01.Mai 2006 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
6:15 a.m.
New subject: SHIPPING
At 04:42 PM 8/3/05 +0200, Hans wrote:
Am 3 Aug 2005 8:10 meinte Joe R.:
Ok here it is: C A S H :-)
Joe
At 07:32 PM 8/2/05 -0700, you wrote:
>Chad Fernandez wrote:
>>Joe R. wrote:
>>>Glen,
>>> I got your payment and your shipment will go out tomorrow via FedEx.
>>> Joe
>>Cool! What are you sending everybody? :-)
It's a surprise! Send money and find out
:-)
Gimme your account information :) 
2:50 p.m.
New subject: SHIPPING
>>> I got your payment and your shipment
will go out tomorrow via FedEx.
>>>
>>> Joe
>
>>Cool! What are you sending everybody? :-)
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Joe R. wrote:
It's a surprise! Send money and find out :-)
Does it have "boards and wires inside" like an Apple 1 ?
8:17 a.m.
New subject: SHIPPING
Vintage 60's-80's porn of chicks posing with computers?
hehehe.
-John Boffemmyer IV
At 10:32 PM 8/2/2005, you wrote:
Chad Fernandez wrote:
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005
Joe R. wrote:
>Glen,
>
> I got your payment and your shipment will go out tomorrow via FedEx.
>
> Joe
Cool! What are you sending everybody? :-)
I don't know, but the downside is that he seems to want payment first :^)
Zane
--
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005
4 Aug
4 Aug
10:34 a.m.
New subject: SHIPPING
At 11:17 AM 8/3/05 -0400, you wrote:
Vintage 60's-80's porn of chicks posing with
computers?
hehehe.
-John Boffemmyer IV
All in ASCII art!
Joe
At 10:32 PM 8/2/2005, you wrote:
Chad Fernandez wrote:
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005
Joe R. wrote:
>Glen,
>
> I got your payment and your shipment will go out tomorrow via FedEx.
>
> Joe
Cool! What are you sending everybody? :-)
I don't know, but the downside is that he seems to want payment first :^)
Zane
--
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005
--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 
23 Dec
23 Dec
1:07 p.m.
A shroud of mystery indeed. I have about 6 "shrouds" then... I better give
the Vatican a call.
Odd... the HP1000 M/E/F is certainly one of the better documented computers.
There was a shroud of mystery in play when I was working on my first 2100A,
but that shroud was not around the computer, it was around my brain :)
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:59 AM
Subject: clueless eBay seller for today is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=51…
"A shroud of mystery hangs over the history and specification of this
classic computer system."
--
Good thing he wasn't trying to sell something was really WAS obscure.
1:18 p.m.
Actually... the only shroud of mystery surrounding that computer... is since
the I/O cards have obviously all been pulled... are there any memory cards
at all in the front backplane. THAT'S the mystery :)
Jay
6843
days inactive
7070
days old
20 comments
13 participants
participants (13)
-
aek＠spies.com -
aw288＠osfn.org -
bshannon＠tiac.net -
cisin＠xenosoft.com -
fernande＠internet1.net -
glen.slick＠gmail.com -
Hans.Franke＠siemens.com -
healyzh＠aracnet.com -
jfoust＠threedee.com -
john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org -
jwest＠classiccmp.org -
rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com -
zmerch＠30below.com