- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I did some searches. First I found a company that is listed as having DTL devices form one of those master list of companies: http://www.mathiselectronics.com/ The only thing is that they do not list them on their web page. A little nore in depth search ( remembering that I might have actually posted information to this group in the past ) revealed: http://lansdale.com/homeprod.htm Of course, I was wrong, they were in Arizona and not Texas ( it was the desert that fooled me ). They have quite a listing of DTL parts in the Motorola section. If anyone does contact them for prices, could they let me know? I see they have a minimum $1000 order. Dwight >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> > >Hi > By the way, there is a company in Texas some place that >is actually making DTL and most likely RTL as well. They >make parts for obsolete equipment. I've lost the url >but I found it with a search on the web. I was always >afraid to even ask what they were charging for the >parts ( most were mil spec as well ). >Dwight > > >>From: "Arlen Michaels" <arlen(a)acm.org> >> >>on 31/7/02 3:12 PM, Ethan Dicks at erd_6502(a)yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> I am looking for some DTL chips to make a repro W706/W707 TTY >>> interface set for my Straight-8 and PDP-8/S (got *no* serial >>> I/O for them. :-( ) >>> >>> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w706.shtml?small >>> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w707.shtml?small >>> >>> The chips there are: >>> >>> W707 >>> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) >>> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (8) >>> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >>> MC789 Hex Inverter (5) >>> W706 >>> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (9) >>> MC789 Hex Inverter (6) >>> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >>> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) >> >>The MC7xx were RTL, not DTL. Motorola made them. They typically used a >3.6 >>volt power supply, like the Fairchild uL9xx RTL series of the same era >(late >>'60s I think). >> >>Arlen Michaels >> >> > > >

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Fortran Coding Form Pads...

by florit＠unixville.com

Yes, they are 80x24. I plan to scan one of them for netposterity. :) Will post link when I get it done. Anyone know where the genesis of 80x24/40x24 screen dimensions (and quite a few other devices) has its origination in? I remember my old dot matrix epson used to be 80 columns wide, and most of the older 8 bit computers had 40 or 80 cols by 24 or 25 rows. "But why?" he cried... Regards, Louis From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Fortran Coding Form Pads... Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:45:07 -0600 Organization: Erlacher Associates Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Are these the ones with 24 lines of 80 columns? Several major vendors modeled their coding forms after the U.S. military coding forms, presumably cooked up by the Navy. I've only seen the blue ones, (blue lines) which I presume were patterned after the USAF ones. They worked great for coding when the work product was going to that huge room full of mini-skirted (back then) keypunch operators. (I'd have given a week's pay for a couple of hours hours to fish around in that room ... <sigh> ... ) I did, BTW, code in Fortran back then. Dick

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C question

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I have another C issue that I can't seem to see the answer for, so I thought I'd throw it out to the masses. I'm deep into the Altair 680b emulation project (base code done, working on telnet access) and I'm experiencing problems reading a file stream into the memory array. Here's snippets of the code: <SNIP> byte *ppmem ; // pointer into memory array byte ucMem[3*65536] ; // actual memory-see defines below for usage // roms[] is an array of structures defining start-time loaded ROMs. Only one ROM now //(the monitor PROM), but flexible enough to allow bank-switched ROMs (not applicable //in the 680b but a leftover from the 6800 processor emulation code that was borrowed //for the project) // //MEM_xxx are defines for the offset into the ucMem array to various areas #define MEM_RAM 0 #define MEM_ROM 0x10000 #define MEM_FLAGS 0x20000 FILE *pFH ; // open file, etc. //create while loop to walk through roms[] array // Read ROM directly to memory. This works. ppmem = &ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM] ; fread(ppmem, sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; //this doesn't work... //fread(&ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; //...nor does this //fread((char *)ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; // Set flags for ROM memset(&ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_FLAGS], 1, roms[i].iROMLen) ; </SNIP> So here's where I'm missing it. Under all three fread scenarios, the compiler doesn't throw a warning...they all compile cleanly. But only the first works. This sounds like one of those "What's the Bug" ads from DDJ. What am I missing? Rich

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C question

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Erik: No errors or warnings are emitted by the compiler, so the way I'm determining that the various functions work or not work is by looking at a "core dump" of the emulator memory (performed by another routine). In all but the first example, the memory is empty (they remain the initialized value of 0). The first way, the emulator memory indeed shows the contents of the loaded ROM. I've "watched" the contents of the roms array and have also outputted the values to the debug screen. The values are as expected. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Eric J. Korpela [mailto:korpela@ssl.berkeley.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:34 PM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: C question > // Read ROM directly to memory. This works. > ppmem = &ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM] ; > fread(ppmem, sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; > > //this doesn't work... > //fread(&ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, > pFH) ; > > //...nor does this > //fread((char *)ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), > roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; > > So here's where I'm missing it. Under all three fread scenarios, the > compiler doesn't throw a warning...they all compile cleanly. But only the > first works. Lack of warnings or code don't have anything to do with whether the code is correct... The last one is the easiest to figure out.... Call fread with the following parameters: 1. byte value at address (ucMem+roms[i].iROMStart+MEM_ROM) converted into a pointer to type char. 2. The value 1 (assuming byte is typedefed to "unsigned char") 3. The value stored in roms[i].iROMLen 4. The value stored in pFH. It's fairly easy to see why the first parameter is wrong... No warning is issued because the type of the first parameter is correct. Without the typecast, a warning should be issued. The previous two look equivalent to me. I don't really see a significant difference. Are you sure "i" and "roms" are set to what you think it should be. Personally, I would have written the first parameter as "ucMem+roms[i].iROMStart+MEM_ROM" as I think it more clearly represents what you mean. What is the error reported? What are the return values from fread? (You should be checking that the return value equals roms[i].iROMLen.) Eric

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by Gavin.Haines1＠btopenworld.com

On Thu, Aug 1, 2002 6:00 pm, "Tom Owad" <owad(a)applefritter.com>wrote: >I've got a couple of 128's that act as shelf supports for some of my >Commodore equipment - so I guess you could say that they are "still in >use" :-) Hi all. I have just subscribed. I have the following equipment. BBC Micro. 32k, Apple II+ 48k, Apple IIc, Macintosh Classic 4/80, Amiga A500, Macintosh LC II with Apple IIe card, Macintosh iMac Bondi Blue. Of all these only the iMac is in regular use. The LC II is sitting on the floor beside me. It is semi in use. Or rather it is ready for use to connect to the Internet should the iMac need to be sent for service (this has happened twice since I have had it). The other computers are all in the cupboard under the stairs. All are in working order, or were in working order. Projects I have done are: 1. Connected the Apple II to the BBC Micro using the games socket on the Apple and transfered data successfully. (hard) 2. Connected the BBC Micro to the Amiga and transferred data to a BBC Micro emulator program which runs on the Amiga. 3. Downloaded disk images off the Internet using the Mac Classic and transferred them to the Apple IIc using Mac ADT. 3. Connected the Apple II to the Amiga using serial card without instructions. Card is marked 7710A (hard) 4. Transferred data to the iMac from the LC II via the Internet. 5. Connected the LCII to the internet. (Easy) a) browsed the internet with Mac web (slow) b) used Eudora for email c) Claris emailer seems better 6. Connected the Mac Classic to the Internet using S7.1 and S7.5.5 7. Printed on Epson Stylus Color 740 from LC II. (Easy, send disk images of 68k version of printer driver which is on Bondi iMac's install CD). 8 Connected to Lost Gonzo using Cyberdog. Any telnet client will do. Is here: telnet://lost-gonzo.com Projects I have not been able to do. 1. Connect any Macintosh running System 6 to the internet 2. Connect a 5.25 Disk II drive to the LC II card http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/Csa2FDRIVE.html

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>ISTR doing that with MacTCP 1.x (an addon install, not included >in System 6) and a SCSI<->Ethernet box. I'm fairly certain that >the ethernet box came with System 6 drivers, but if someone here >knows that it flat-out can't be done, then I'm probably mistaken. >I have never tried it with dial-up, if that's what you mean. I don't recall if I have ever personally done it... but I see no reason it CAN'T be done. There are MacTCP drivers for System 6, and at least the Asante SCSI->Ethernet box has System 6 drivers available. There are also System 6 drivers for the Farallon Etherwave localtalk->ethernet adaptor, however, the Etherwave doesn't support TCP/IP (limit of the Appletalk, not of the etherwave), so you have to use MacIP (TCP/IP wrapped in AppleTalk), and a MacIP to TCP/IP bridge (like IPNetRouter running on another Mac). And again, I see no reason it can't be done. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: Digital Watch Recommendations?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I like BIG, HEAVY, INDUSTRIAL watches, so none of those effeminate >little dressy things! It isn't really gadgety... but I feel I need to say it anyway. DO NOT buy a Pulsar Spoon watch. They are more on the "dressy" side, but they are definitly big and heavy... and they suck royal ass!!! A friend of mine talked me into buying one (he used to sell them at an upscale watch store, the place had things like Movado's and Rolex, and a typical watch there was $4,000). I wanted a digital watch that went against the norm and had a black display with highlighted numbers rather than the norm grey/white display with shadowed numbers. The spoon has that (black display, with a red light to illuminate the numbers... display looks very much like an old LED TI calculator). It was one of the cheapest watches they sold there at $160. It broke about a month after I got it (light stopped working... and you NEED the light to see the display). It went back, was repaired (after about a 6 week wait). Then about 3 or 4 months later... broke again... went back again, was repaired (another 6 weeks). Repeat as needed. It has been back 4 times total... and as of right now, the light turns on when you just brush the watch, and all other buttons work when they want to. When I bitched to my friend that the watch sucks shit... he told me "What do you expect for a $160 watch"... oh, I don't know... for $160 I expect it will offer me head! I am in the process of digging out my $20 Casio that I had prior... it also had a black display (with grey numbers), and unlike this attractive peice of shit on my wrist now... it worked just fine. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Way OT How to set Microsoft Outlook as plain ASCII only.

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: McFadden, Mike > > I'm tired of bothering you'll with the mime junk. My clueless helpdesk > can't help. I don't use address books. I'm forced to use outlook. How > do I set all of my messages to plain ASCII? I've tried google searches and > even read the book at the library, I'm still sending MIME. I tried just > lurking but I want to contribute. > > Thanks > Mike > mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu > You're using it on a PC, right? Well, on a per-message basis, you can change it under the Format menu, then select Plain Text. For all new outgoing messages, it's under Options, the IIRC, Mail format... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Way OT How to set Microsoft Outlook as plain ASCII only.

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I'm tired of bothering you'll with the mime junk. My clueless helpdesk can't help. I don't use address books. I'm forced to use outlook. How do I set all of my messages to plain ASCII? I've tried google searches and even read the book at the library, I'm still sending MIME. I tried just lurking but I want to contribute. Thanks Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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WTD: support ICs

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi By the way, there is a company in Texas some place that is actually making DTL and most likely RTL as well. They make parts for obsolete equipment. I've lost the url but I found it with a search on the web. I was always afraid to even ask what they were charging for the parts ( most were mil spec as well ). Dwight >From: "Arlen Michaels" <arlen(a)acm.org> > >on 31/7/02 3:12 PM, Ethan Dicks at erd_6502(a)yahoo.com wrote: > >> I am looking for some DTL chips to make a repro W706/W707 TTY >> interface set for my Straight-8 and PDP-8/S (got *no* serial >> I/O for them. :-( ) >> >> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w706.shtml?small >> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w707.shtml?small >> >> The chips there are: >> >> W707 >> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) >> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (8) >> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >> MC789 Hex Inverter (5) >> W706 >> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (9) >> MC789 Hex Inverter (6) >> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) > >The MC7xx were RTL, not DTL. Motorola made them. They typically used a 3.6 >volt power supply, like the Fairchild uL9xx RTL series of the same era (late >'60s I think). > >Arlen Michaels > >

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Mac SE/30's available (was Re: Anyone using their old Mac?)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>One disturbing trend nowdays is that 99% of the computers >come with out any software or manuals. Sure you can get that >machine for $10 but if the OS is bad or you want to install >software you are out of luck. True on a general note, but at least with the SE/30 referenced, you can get System 6.0.8 from Apple's web site, as well as System 7.5.3 (and the .5 updater). Which means, really, you can fairly easily get that SE/30 resetup with an OS. And then there is NetBSD which runs on the SE/30 pretty happily (or so I have been told... personally, every time I get to the point of booting, something else on my SE/30 breaks, no fault of NetBSD... just a nasty string of coincidence). NetBSD is of course a free download as well. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fortran Coding Form Pads...

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Speaking of odd screen widths, the Osborne I was 52 characters wide. With the 80-column upgrade, you could also get 104 characters on the Osborne's tiny screen. (Using 60-character lines in WordStar, the screen would jump-scroll whenever you reached the last part of a line -- a rea PITA. Until I got the 80-column upgrade, I would write using a 50-character line and reformat to 60 before printing.) -----Original Message----- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:19 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Fortran Coding Form Pads... > > > Certainly, screen dimensions were modelled after punched cards: There > were 80 columns on a punched card, and once everybody was used to that > line length, it was an obvious choice to make the screen just as wide - > except for a couple of clever guys who made the screen 64 columns wide, > which happens to be a power of two. I've seen 132 column screens too (why 132???) but did anyone ever try to make a 128 column screen (or printer)? It would seem to be a logical size to make it, but I've never seen one. -tony

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Harddisks with SA1000 interface

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

*Drool* I'd kill for a DN300 or 330 or any model of Apollo... especially a DN10000... hehe... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Fortran coding forms VS. dollar bills

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

FYI the last year of large-size dollar bills (and larger denominations), was 1923. I personally own a Series 1923 1 Dollar bill and would be willing to scan it and measure it if there is interest... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Harddisks with SA1000 interface

by P.Gebhardt＠gmx.de

Hello everybody ! A Micropolis 8" HDD (1222-i), I got 1 year ago and anaother Quantum 8" drive (Q2020) are equipped with a SA1000 Interface. I'd like to test (and save) them but I don't know wich systems support that kind of interface. Does anybody know any systems, which support these drives ? I found manuals for the Quantum drive but I found nothing for the Micropolis drive on google. What is the configuration for the power connector ? Thanks alot for any help ! Pierre -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net

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Okilaser 400 2Meg memory card

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Bare card, no memory chips (takes 44256 DRAM). Anyone need one? Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Vax 8600 on Ebay

by fernande＠internet1.net

I thought this would be a good canidate to post to the list. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2042185013 Is the seller or bidder here on the list? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by mross666＠hotmail.com

>I'm certainly up for a 33 and a 35. And I can pick up, if they're local to >NYC... William's warehouse is in Paterson NJ, so about 20-30 minutes from NYC. However, I think he is only there during the day, during the week. If you can't work with that schedule, if William lets me go back, I can grab you a 35 and stick it in my storage garage, but you will have to pick it up before the end of August (my rental price doubles starting in Sept, so I plan to have everything out before then). My garage is in Ho-Ho-Kus NJ, which is also about 20-30 minutes from NYC. But I have 24x7 access to the garage, and since I live about 10 blocks from it (and work about 10 blocks the other direction from it), I can meet you there pretty much any day or time for pickup. Of course, I have to figure out how to get a 35 back out of my van and into my garage all by myself... that will be a serious challenge. Chris, Appreciate it. A 35 would be most cool. Hopefully I can get out there myself to help you pick it up - or just pick it up myself. (let's take the logistics off-list). I would also go for a 33 - I don't have a working one this side of the pond. If the price were halfways reasonable I'd take one of the 'new' 33s that were mentioned a few posts back! Cheers Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Aahhh, Relief!

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

My Gods. A responsible vendor. I am agog. I snarked an RRD46 (12x CD) drive off eBay a couple of weeks ago. It came in today, except it says RRD45. :( Like I wanted another 4x CD drive. I fired of a reasonably polite, low-intensity complaint to the seller, and less than an hour later, got an apology, an offer of a full refund including shipping or replacement if they still have an RRD46, and an offer, if I pay for the return shipping, to give me "extra" credit on any future purchase. Which I'm likely to do. I've been fighting off a client who thinks his 5 grand for a solid week's work entails lifetime support & handholding, not to mention training of his dweebs. All week I've been trying to get NextCard to quit hitting my bank with a completely unauthorized $125 direct withdrawal. They admit it's entirely their fault, but insist that they can't stop the withdrawal! They say _I_ have to put a stop on the charges at the bank. Meanwhile, they are adding charges to my credit card for late payment and over-limit, because they have the payment I did authorize, and which did clear the bank, on hold. Because there's a "dispute". I'm up three levels of their complaint desk, and have yet to speak to anyone who admits to any peculiarity in their actions. "But we already promised to pay the INS fees and the stop payment at your bank!" But not the late fees, nor my time off work, nor the expense of faxing them all the documentation. I can't even get a solid promise to drop all _their_ extra charges, incurred because THEY screwed up! I'd much rather "twmaster", the eBay dealer, had sent me the right thing to start with. But it's damn nice for somebody to own up to their shit, and make good on it. Doc

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Teletypes (more more)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Kent Borg" <kentborg(a)borg.org> > >Teletypes in New Jersey, and I am in Boston. Damn. > >-kb > Hi Maybe we could get someone that is in the area to deal with shipping various items ( for a small overhead ). I could use a few items myself, for a 33. Of course an entire machine would make a good spare but shipping cost a lot and they really are too heavy to put in a cardboard box ( that is why I need some parts ). Is there anyone in the area that could work as a middle man? Dwight wish list: 1. Outside plastic case for a asr33. 2. Tape reader latch or spare reader. 3. Power module for a tape reader.

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WTD: support ICs

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I'm always looking for DTL chips. Finding these would be great. Anyone with some of these hiding away or some old surplus board with them on it, I'd be interested. I forget the numbers I need but one is a open collector nand ( something like 935? but that sounds like a RTL). I'll have to make list. Dwight

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Multibus ST-506/QIC-02 (was: Re: SGI IRIS 1400 ...)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> > If this is the head lock solenoid, do you get any voltage across it when >> > the drive is attempting to spin up? >> >> I think I did get voltage on that connector when it seemed to pull in. >> I'll have to double check though. > >Yes, please do. We'll both feel right idiots if we spend time looking in >the servo circuitry and that real reaso the heads can't move is becuase >they're locked. > >> > Unless you have a clean box, I would do a few more checks outside the >> > HDA first >> >> Well, ok :P > >It's up to you, it's your drive. And don't you think the HDA has been >opened before? If that's the case, then it might not do any more daamge >to pull the cover again. > >-tony > > Hi I haven't been following this thread but I thought I'd add: When working inside of disk drives, wear a mask ( the ones you get from the drug store work fine ). Also, don't work in a room that has had someone smoking or while someone is frying stuff in the kitchen. Most dust particles are large enough that the head just kicks it of into the filter. Smoke particles are the right size to cause head crashes, as is a little bit of spittle from a sneeze or speech. Also, don't rotate the disk backwards, the heads will cut into the surface and damage them. Dwight

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Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I'm certainly up for a 33 and a 35. And I can pick up, if they're local to >NYC... William's warehouse is in Paterson NJ, so about 20-30 minutes from NYC. However, I think he is only there during the day, during the week. If you can't work with that schedule, if William lets me go back, I can grab you a 35 and stick it in my storage garage, but you will have to pick it up before the end of August (my rental price doubles starting in Sept, so I plan to have everything out before then). My garage is in Ho-Ho-Kus NJ, which is also about 20-30 minutes from NYC. But I have 24x7 access to the garage, and since I live about 10 blocks from it (and work about 10 blocks the other direction from it), I can meet you there pretty much any day or time for pickup. Of course, I have to figure out how to get a 35 back out of my van and into my garage all by myself... that will be a serious challenge. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/31/2002 2:01:18 PM Central Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a regular practice? Sellam Ismail Well, it's not old enough, but I finally had success in getting a Quadra 800 with PPC card up and running on my network and through the router for net access. Pretty neat machine. I presume earlier macs with ethernics and system 7.x would be similar. NOTE: if you use ASANTE NICs, I found out that they don't always like to establish a connection with a 100mb hub/router. To get this mac working, I had to plug it into a 10mb hub, and then into the router.

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Horse's ass

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Not really. According to http://www.railway.org/railroadgauge.htm, one of several railroad gauges used in England by George Stephenson, and the one that became popular in the US (over the objection, in a way, of President Lincoln, who proposed a 5' gauge), was based on a 5 foot spacing of cart wheels. Subtracting 2 inches for each rail gave 4'8". Stevenson later widened the spacing by 1/2" because (for unspecified reasons), that worked better. See also A.W. Worth's reported comments in http://www.spikesys.com/Trains/st_gauge.html; and http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000218.html -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:14 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OT: Horse's ass <snip> So it is not myth. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Some Great Finds Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well today was pretty good to me but I also missed some nice items at the auction. 1. A working Vectrex, console and one controller only no games with it. $5 2. A NES Stack-up cartridge for ROB the robot and it had the special Famicon board and Famicon-to-NES converter inside. $6 3. A Advanced Electronic Applications, Inc. Computer Patch Interface. It's a gray metal box with the following on the faceplate Filter - Tune - Var Shift - STBY/PTT - NORM - OFF/ON - PWR light. Under the Filter title are three buttons named VAR - 170 - CW. It's a model CP-1 and on the back are lots of phono ports. Anyone have info on this unit? 4. Got several books, generic pc's such as 386 and P166's, some 14" monitors, and some ink jets all for $10.

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Fwd: Surplus 1-Philips 501 scanning electron microscope in DE, USA

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:49:58 -0400 (EDT) >From: Chaoying Ni <cni(a)udel.edu> >To: Microscopy(a)sparc5.microscopy.com >Subject: Surplus 1-Philips 501 with windowless EDS & 2-complete EDXA 9800 > system (detector and analyzer) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >The Microscopy ListServer -- Sponsor: The Microscopy Society of America >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- Send Email to ListServer(a)MSA.Microscopy.Com >On-Line Help http://www.msa.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------. > > >Hello listers, > >We have a Philips 501 with windowless EDS, both working before being >dismantled, and also a complete 9800 EDXA system. Free for non-profit edus >or orgs, or best offer to coms. Please send me inquiries off-line. Thanks! > >**************************************** >Chaoying Ni, PhD >201 DuPont Hall >The W.M. Keck Electron Microscopy Facility >College of Engineering >University of Delaware >Newark, DE 19716 > >(302) 831-8354 (O); -2318(L); -4545(Fax) >http://eml.masc.udel.edu >*****************************************

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a regular >practice? I have a shelf of Mac SE's (800k version) that I use for a Fax pool (either sending or receiving). Although they are not phsyically in use every day, they do spend more time hooked up and running than not. I also have a Mac Plus that I keep on the floor for working with old software and 400k/800k disks (400's aren't readable by my 6500, and 800s usually have problems on my 6500). Although that will probably be replaced by an SE FDHD eventually. I think I finally moved all my 68000 machines out of normal "human" use, but I might be wrong, knowing me, I have at least one more Plus or SE sitting at a remote office for word processing duties. I know up until the end of June, I had an SE in active use for writing letters and doing spreadsheets (we closed the location it was at, so now it is on the floor in hall outside my office) And of course, my firewall/nat router is a IIsi right now. And then there is my LC 520 that is acting as a music on hold server for my phone system (kept frying CD players, so now I play quicktime rips off the LC). I'm not sure if I have any other 020 or 030 machines in regular use (but I have LOTS in occasional use as needed) And I have MANY MANY 040's still in service for daily use, and I think all of them are pre-1990. These are all still used at work for daily tasks, and serve as many an employee's primary (and usually only) computer. As well as things like giving them to friends and family to do work on (my nephew LOVES the LC 575 I gave him to do his homework and use email). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- Sellam Ismail wrote: Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a regular practice? --- end of quote --- Dunno if it falls within the time frame exactly, but I still use a Color Classic and/or SE/30 for writing papers when I wanna be alone upstairs, listening to music or whatever. The old Macs are connected to the G4 network downstairs via a really long phone cord and a localtalk-ethernet bridge, so I transfer files over AppleShare that way when I want to email/print stuff. There's something about that 9-inch screen I used throughout middle and high school (Mac Plus in that case) -- it just gets the creative juices flowing somehow. :) I also use that same Mac Plus for old games, but I think that's borderline "use" in this context. -- MB

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Fortran Coding Form Pads...

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > The physical dimensions of the punched cards were chosen to match dollar > > bills, so that the processing hardware could make use of existing > > Are you sure? A punch card is a bit larger than a dollar bill. US dollar bills were bigger in Hollerith's day. -Frank McConnell

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Teletypes (more update)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>That did it for me were are these 35's and can I make the drive there in one >day from Houston Texas? The 35's are in Paterson NJ... and you can make the drive in one day if you drive REALLY REALLY REALLY fast (but make sure to take all fire arms OUT of your car before you make it to Paterson... having them will only encourage the locals to shoot you first) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well I carried a 33 down a ladder in a barn with the 33 above my head.. and this was one with the full stand attached... I'm not saying it was an enjoyable experience, but I did pull it off.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Some punch card information

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Pictures of punch cards http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.fourmilab. ch/documents/univac/cards.html About hollerith http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blhollerith.htm When I worked for the state of Missouri in 1976-1977 they still manually sorted punch cards. There were card sorters that sorted the cards and dumped them into hoppers based on the punch that was selected. Thanks Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu P.S. I'm the other CC member in Kansas City area.

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Teletypes (more update)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>> There still are 35s. > >Am I correct in assuming that these are about twice as wide as a 33? > >Am I correct in assuming that these would be much more difficult and >expensive to ship UPS? The 35's that William pointed out to me were yes, very large and easily twice the size of a 33. They would definitly have to go on a pallet and be freighted from the looks of them (granted, I am ignorant in shipping something like this, and ignorant about teletypes, so maybe they can be broken down and boxed up in peices... but from the general look, it looks like it would be the equivlent of trying to ship a small metal desk). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by mross666＠hotmail.com

>For the record, one known 33 is left (other than the new one). This may >change - even today a 33 was uncovered in a place I was not aware of. > >There still are 35s. In fact, no one has expressed interest in them yet >(oddly). > >William Donzelli I'm certainly up for a 33 and a 35. And I can pick up, if they're local to NYC... Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Things to do in Kansas?

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Hi. It looks like I'm going to be in Overland Park (South end of KC?), Kansas next week. Are there any Classic Computing "must-see" places? any CCmp denizens? I'm flying, and working 7-6 every day, so I can't bring any PDPs or do any all-day treks, but I'd be up for meeting anyone who shares this obsession, err, hobby. Last time I was in Denver I got to meet Emanuel and Bill, and had a great time with them. It's nice having a face and a voice to go with the .sig. Doc

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Anyone near Kingsport, TN?

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

Is there anyone here on the list located near Kingsport, TN? I've been offered a huge pile of SGI IRIS boards, but I'm not sure that shipping will be feasible for them. They are likely to end up in a landfill otherwise... -Toth

24 years

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Wanted WD-100x disk controllers -- NOT for ISA bus

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Eric, You should see http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2042604088 There is a WD-1002-SHD manual in that lot. Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

24 years

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Monroe Calc gone

by jpl15＠panix.com

Gawd but youse guys is a buncha Vultures! ;} The Monroe Calculator has been Spoken For - thanks and 'sorry!' to the others who have responded or who have yet to respond. I wonder if I'd put it on Ebay - maybe I'd be able to think about that Cessna Twin I want... Cheerz John

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VAX 11/730 Problem

by ms＠silke.rt.schwaben.de

Hello to all VAXenfolks, i do have a problem with a VAX-11/730 that i have reconstructed (cleaned, resoldered, replaced cable, everything. Pictures on www.vaxcluster.de. Yes, i am a bit proud of it... But sorry for the bad web-page design!) over the last few months. It is now willing to boot and tries to load it's microcode tape from the TU-58 drives. I even have a microcode tape which looks like it could be still readable. But the TU-58's are so battered that i have not been able to read the tape. I have repaced the rubber rollers, but the read/write-heads look, ummm, bad! I have found somewhere some TU-58 simulator software for DOS which looks like a promising alternative; i would place a mini-DOS-computer inside a VT-102 and route some additional cables to the VAX and bee fine. BUT: How do i get the contents of the microcode tape of the tape, into a DOS file without access to a working TU-58? Is someone on this list able to read the tape? Has someone already made a tape image i could just use? I mean, i have a original DEC tape, with serial number and all. I might even come up with a license document, if i search long enough... Any help would be greatly welcomed. This old lady is just to beautifull to use it as an electric heater only... Thank you ms -- Michael Schneider email: ms(a)silke.rt.schwaben.de Germany http://www.vaxcluster.de People disagree with me. I just ignore them. (Linus Torvalds)

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PDP-11/70 systems available - Williamsport, PA

by mythtech＠mac.com

Dang... I really need to get a house. I would drive to Williamsport, and thanks to all the PDP talk on this list, I am getting this itch to own one to see what all the fuss is about. But there is no way I would be able to have one in this rental shanty. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fwd: Latest release of PDP-11 field guide available

by lists＠subatomix.com

YES! Thank you, Megan! My screams of joy have just woke the neighbors! ---------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Megan To: info-pdp11 Date: Monday, July 29, 2002, 7:38:44 PM Subject: Latest release of PDP-11 field guide available Contrary to opinion... I have been working on the field guide... The latest copy has corrections supplied by various people as well as new entries. It can be found at http://world.std.com/~mbg/pdp11-field-guide.txt For those who carry mirrors of it, please send me email so that I can put you on a list to obtain new copies as soon as I make them available. Please supply the URL where your copy can be found. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) | | Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) | | Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ---------- End forwarded message ----------

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WTD: 6502, 6522, etc CPU and support ICs

by philpem＠dsl.pipex.com

Hi, I'm currently trying to build up a 6502-based SBC but - in true Sod's Law fashion - my supplier has dumped the entire 6502 CPU series, despite the fact they're still made by California Micro Devices. Anyone (preferably in the UK) got a few spare MOS Technology, Rockwell, Synertek or CalMicro 6502 ICs? I've also seen some photos of 6502 chips with a "VTI" logo - probably VLSI Technology; anyone ever seen one of these? There is a photo of one on http://65c02.tripod.com/ - see "SBC-1 Hardware", first photo (right at the top). If anyone with spare stock of 6502s and/or 6502 support ICs could e-mail me offlist with prices, I'd be very grateful. Thanks. -- Phil. philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/

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Powerbook 145 to a good home

by vcf＠siconic.com

Respond to the sender <Hans(a)nabear.com>. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:21:04 -0400 From: Hans Callenbach <Hans(a)nabear.com> Subject: powerbook 145 I have an old working powerbook 145... trying to not send it to the trash heap... are you interested, if not can you suggest someone? Also, an old 28 powerport modem and a working laser writer pro printer. Many thanks, Hans -- Hans Callenbach Art Director North American Bear Co., Inc. 902 Broadway 20th floor New York, NY 10010 212-388-0700 fax 388-0089 -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Synertek 6502 chips, 1984 date-code

by archer＠topnow.com

I have some Synertek NMOS 6502s from various weeks in 1984, still in their (original?) Synertek static tubes. (At least, "Synertek" is stamped on the tubes.) A few "boy are these stupid" questions: 1. Does anyone have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to share with the group? All I know about them is they made the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :) 2. Is this a "Find" in any sense? (I paid all of 30 cents each for them.) My motivation is to have enough replacement parts to keep all my 6502-based hardware humming for years to come. Though in this case I have several lifetimes' worth. :) 3. Is there any reason to fear that these chips will "go bad" at any significant rate as they age? Is there any way I could store them (reasonably, I mean, no vaccum or outer-space suggestions, please. :) to maximize their lifespan? My plan is to come into work some evening and suit up with the full anti-static treatment at an EMI bench with my little SBC (retrofitted with a 40 pin ZIF socket to avoid bending their machine-straight little legs), and test them all in rapid-fire succession. Is there anything inherently dumb about powering them up? Okay, well enough dumb questions. Just looking for any comments on any of the points, as the spirit moves you. :) -- Ross

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An Apple //e and (2) Apple //c systems to good home

by vcf＠siconic.com

Please reply directly to the sender. Reply-to: <edmor(a)gist-image.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:44:02 -0400 From: EdMorcaldi <edmor(a)gist-image.com> To: vcf(a)siconic.com Subject: Donation I would like to donate my Apple //e system -- no charge. It has an Applied Engineering card for memory expansion. Can you use it? I would be willing to ship it. Also have 2 Apple IIci systems that I would like to give away. -- Ed Morcaldi System Administrator GIST Inc 203/479-7500 203/479-7575 FAX http://www.gist-image.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Wanted WD-100x disk controllers -- NOT for ISA bus

by aek＠spies.com

> Does anyone have any spare WD-1000, WD-1001, or related disk controllers, > or documentation on them? www.spies.com/aek/pdf/westernDigital

24 years

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PDP-11/70 systems available - Williamsport, PA

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Please contact Robert directly if you're interested. He's in Williamsport Pa (ZIP 17745) Bill ----- Forwarded message from "Villano, Robert" <rvillano(a)brodart.com> ----- From: "Villano, Robert" <rvillano(a)brodart.com> To: "'mrbill(a)pdp11.org'" <mrbill(a)pdp11.org> Cc: "Cunningham, Scott" <cunningh(a)brodart.com>, "Codispoti, Pete" <codispoti(a)brodart.com> Subject: pdp11/70 systems are available Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:51:58 -0400 Hello, I'm the network admin for the Books Division of Brodart Company, a library services company. I have been asked to find a home for our (3) pdp11/70 systems. I found your site on the internet and wanted to know if you or someone you know would be interested in getting them a home. If someone would contact me by phone would be perferable because to amount of equipment we have is quite extensive. equipment summary in brief: (3) pdp11/70 main computer chassis.... all were working when shut down although some for the dz11 and dh11 serial interfaces may not be completely functional. (3) la36 system consoles (working). (6) la120 decwriter stations (2 working) others for parts. (5) ra81 disk drives (3 working) others for parts. (4) te16 tape units (2 working) others for parts. Enough spare parts to almost build another pdp11 main backplane with power supplies quite abit of documentation. If you are interested please contact me here at Brodart. Thank you Bob Villano Network Administrator Books Division rvillano(a)brodart.com 570.326.2461 ext 6612 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- bill bradford / mrbill(a)mrbill.net / austin, texas ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm reminded of the day my daughter came in, looked over my shoulder at some Perl 4 code, and said, "What is that, swearing?" -- Larry Wall

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Things to do in Kansas?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:54:07 -0500 (CDT) the Doc wrote... > It looks like I'm going to be in Overland Park (South end of KC?), > Kansas next week. > Are there any Classic Computing "must-see" places? any CCmp denizens? > I'm flying, and working 7-6 every day, so I can't bring any PDPs or do > any all-day treks, but I'd be up for meeting anyone who shares this > obsession, err, hobby. Well... depends on yer definition of 'all-day' treks, and if yet 'Indiana Jones' card is up to date, but I (and the Computer Garage collection) now reside in Yates Center, which is a hundred miles (+/- 10~20) West of KC. The collection (having just completed its x-country trek) is stacked up in the warehouse, and I'm installing a computer-based scoring system in my Bowling Center which dates to the '80s (so its on topic) <G>, so there might be something of interest... Too bad you are not coming from William Donzelli's neck of the woods... I'd love to have one of those '35s he has been talking about. ;^} -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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Wanted WD-100x disk controllers -- NOT for ISA bus

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

Eric Smith said: > Does anyone have any spare WD-1000, WD-1001, or related disk controllers, > or documentation on them? Yeah, I've got a couple of WD1002-05s, a couple of WD1002-HDOs from dead Kaypro 10s, a manual for the WD1002-05, and a manual for the WD1000. I can probably even find some of this stuff, as opposed to the Atari Portfolio stuff I promised someone a while ago. It'd cost you, though. Many years ago I sent you a couple of DECtapes with an OS/8 V3C distribution kit on them because you said you could read them with a DECtape to PC interface. It'd be nice to have those back. Or even better if you could get around to reading them and posting them somewhere for general download by the 12-bit community. -- Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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8080

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Raoul I have the schematic for an Intel 80/10. This is one of the early 8080 SBC's that Intel sold( I think the 80/05 was first ). Many of the parts would be vary hard to find. I would recommend doing a 8085 if you can. These are a lot more friendly. Other than an address latch, the rest is more like just tacking on various bussed parts. I don't recall but I think there are some simple circuits in the Intel 8085 manuals I have. Dwight >From: "Raoul J.A. Somers" <raoul.somers(a)skynet.be> > >Hello, > >I am looking for circuit diagrams of the original 8080 / 8085 to >construct a prototype board > >Any hints? > >Raoul Somers >Brussels, Belgium

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Manual for GEC 2050 available (Bristol, UK)

by coredump＠gifford.co.uk

If anybody has a GEC 2050, and needs a manual, I may be able to help. Some friends have just found a 2050 processor manual, and would like to find a good home for it. E-mail me off-list for details, please. Here's a web page for the machine: http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/geccl/2050/ -- John Honniball coredump(a)gifford.co.uk

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Motorola 6800 parts

by coredump＠gifford.co.uk

Just to follow-up on a message from way back, I saw some Motorola XC6800 parts in a prototype board today. There was an XC6800 CPU (with clock module) and two XC6820 parallel port chips. The "XC" prefix, it seems, was a Motorola prefix for early pre-production parts. The date codes were from 1975. -- John Honniball coredump(a)gifford.co.uk

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New Comp in Old Cloth

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Get your own back - put your Amiga 1200 in a PC-type tower case... > http://www.powerc.com > > Sorta like that guy who put a Model A engine in a Pinto... > -- > Cheers, > Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com Keep in mind, there is a 'legitimate' reason for doing this. People are adding so much onto their A1200's that they have to tower them. I mean, good grief, they're even strapping PCI slots onto those suckers! Though I think the lastest addons sort of turn the A1200 system board into a co-processor to the actual computer. Zane

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WTD: support ICs

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> >> Hi >> I'm always looking for DTL chips. Finding these >> would be great. Anyone with some of these hiding >> away or some old surplus board with them on it, >> I'd be interested. I forget the numbers I need >> but one is a open collector nand ( something like >> 935? but that sounds like a RTL). I'll have to make > >It's been a long time, but I thought the 935 was an hex inverter >(open-collecotr output, of course -- aren't _all_ DTL chips like that). >The quad 2-input NAND is the 846 (I was repairing a board that used one, >surrounded by TTL chips, the other day). > >Unless the _input_ characteristics are important (they were on this >board, as the inputs came from RC networks), you can often use the >equivalent TTL part (open-collector outputs, so something like a '03 for >the NAND or a '05 for the inverter) with resistor pull-ups (around 3k >from each output to Vcc). It's not original, but it normally works. > >-tony > > Hi Tony I think the one number I'm thinking of was something38 and not somthing35. Yes, it is true that a TTL will sub in most cases but there is one that doesn't work and that is where you have the expanded input ( also one of the chips I'm looking for ). This was only done on the DTL and not supported on the TTL of similar function. I have to go back and look to see what the numbers were. Dwight

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Synertek 6502 chips, 1984 date-code

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > >> Perhaps I'm confused. I may have been told "Synertek" by someone at >> work, c. 1984, and they might have meant Signetics. I _do_ have some >> 68000 chips with a "block S" logo... would that be Signetics, then? > >Sounds like Signetics. > >Those are still relatively uncommon. Motorola parts are obviously >the most common, perhaps followed by Rockwell and Hitachi. > >Anyone know whether Hitachi ever shipped their HD63000? That was to be >a CMOS version of the 68000 that would have predated the Motorola MC68HC000. > >I heard somewhere that Mostek alone of the second sources had a license >to make the 68020, but I don't think they ever did. > Hi Toshiba did a 68301 varient of the 68000 that I know of. ( it is in my telescope control ). Dwight

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Monroe Mod 1 Calc

by jpl15＠panix.com

At the Ft. Tuthill swapmeet last weekend in Flagstaff, AZ, I rescued an old Monroe Model 1 Electric Adding Calculator - 100 key panel, moving carriage with number drums behind windows - you get the picture. Since I am not at all interested in Yet Another Hobby, I thought I'd offer this to the List first, as I know there are some of you who love and collect these old babies. Cosmetically it is quite good, needs cleaning and touch-up; mechanically I am rather loath to fire it up, but all the knobs and keys seem to work, the carriage moves with both the side lever and the t-handled knob at the bottom of the keyboard, nothing seems gummed or jammed. I would like to get some small amount for it, and I will be pleased to pack and ship, weight will be about 15-20lb packed for the road from zip 95971. I will also be happy to send pix of it to you. Send offers to me privately please, not to the List, this is mostly Off Topic... Cheerz John

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Substantial tweaking on more exotic platforms (fwd)

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

Who is <edick(a)idcomm.com>? S/he/it appears to have Klez on their computer, and CLASSICCMP <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com> is one of the bogus return addresses that it is affixing to its outgoing crap. Probably putting MINE on some, also! PLEASE, download and run the Klez removal tool from Symantec at: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.to… It sure is nice to run PINE on a shell account - total immunity to all of the Outhouse crap. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred

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Books

by mranalog＠attbi.com

I just found a great set of books online and ordered them right away. The books are a 1962, first edition set, published by Howard W. Sams called "Computer Basics". VOL I: INTRODUCTION TO ANALOG COMPUTERS VOL II: ANALOG COMPUTERS, MATHEMATICS AND CIRCUITRY VOL III: DIGITAL COMPUTERS MATH AND CIRCUITRY VOL IV: STORAGE AND LOGIC CIRCUITRY VOL V: COMPUTER ORGANIZATION, PROGRAMMING AND MAINTANANCE The first two volumes are also being auctioned off on eBay right now and there are some pictures. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1551960033 The surprising thing is that I didn't find these books on BookFinder.com. I found them on Barnes and Nobles website (www.bn.com) under their "out of print" section. While I was looking around also I came across this interesting sounding book, but decided not to buy it. Basics of Digital Computer Programming, John S. Murphy, John F. Rider Publisher Inc. 1964 115 pgs. Illustrated throughout with diagrams and charts. Book # m840 Price: US$ 5.00 http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetails?AID=7169465&PID=284433&bi=14455… --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog =========================================

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Wanted WD-100x disk controllers -- NOT for ISA bus

by eric＠brouhaha.com

Does anyone have any spare WD-1000, WD-1001, or related disk controllers, or documentation on them? These are *not* ISA bus cards, they have a parallel interface to a host, and control up to four 5.25-inch Winchester disk drives using the ST-506 or ST-412 interface. (Some models supported older 8-inch drives as well). They use the Signetics 8X300 or 8X305 processor, WD-1100 series support chips, and firmware in bipolar PROMs. Thanks, Eric

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Synertek 6502 chips, 1984 date-code

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ross Archer" <archer(a)topnow.com> > >"Dwight K. Elvey" wrote: >> >> >From: "Ross Archer" <archer(a)topnow.com> >> >> >> >I have some Synertek NMOS 6502s from various weeks >> >in 1984, still in their (original?) Synertek static tubes. >> >(At least, "Synertek" is stamped on the tubes.) >> > >> >A few "boy are these stupid" questions: >> > >> >1. Does anyone have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to >> >share with the group? All I know about them is they made >> >the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe >> >to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :) >> > >> >2. Is this a "Find" in any sense? (I paid all of 30 cents >> >each for them.) My motivation is to have enough replacement >> >parts to keep all my 6502-based hardware humming for years >> >to >> >come. Though in this case I have several lifetimes' worth. >> >:) >> > >> >3. Is there any reason to fear that these chips will "go >> >bad" >> >at any significant rate as they age? Is there any way I >> >could >> >store them (reasonably, I mean, no vaccum or outer-space >> >suggestions, please. :) to maximize their lifespan? >> >> Hi >> Sitting in the tube, they should last for 1000's of >> years. Moisture is about the only problem. Keep them >> in a zip-loc with a packet a silca-gel and they will >> out live you and your grandchildren's grandchildren. >> Any temperature that a human can live in will have >> virtually no effect on them. > >Humidity is pretty low in these parts, >and so should be OK with silica gel. > >As an off-topic digression, isn't silica gel the stuff >that always comes in little packages labelled >"Do not eat"? Honestly. Do they really look that >delicious? :) >I wonder if this is a new trend and soon pink erasers will >sport >similar warnings... That is the stuff. I real don't recommend eating it. Some come in colored crystals. This will tell you when it needs to be regenerated. This can't be done while in the plastic stuff but you can remove it and put it into a metal pan. Put this in the oven ( I forget the temperature but I'm sure a web search will find the right info ). I forget the temperature but when it cools, it is back to a bluish ( slightly brown from the heat ) color, it is ready to use again. If it is pink, it has absorbed too much water and won't do much. Dwight > >> >> > >> >My plan is to come into work some evening and suit up with >> >the full anti-static treatment at an EMI bench with my >> >little >> >SBC (retrofitted with a 40 pin ZIF socket to avoid bending >> >their machine-straight little legs), and test them all in >> >rapid-fire succession. Is there anything inherently dumb >> >about powering them up? >> >> If these are NOS and not test pulls, they should all be >> functional. No need to test them unless you just feel >> the urge. > >I do. :) > >Yes, they show all appearances of being NOS that's never >been >used in any way. > >I guess you could call it, to paraphrase a famous fast-food >slogan, the "on and off urge." > >:) > >Thanks! > >-- Ross > >> Dwight >> >> > >> >Okay, well enough dumb questions. Just looking for >> >any comments on any of the points, as the spirit moves you. >> >:) >> > >> >-- Ross >> > >

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Synertek 6502 chips, 1984 date-code

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Ross Archer" <archer(a)topnow.com> >> >I have some Synertek NMOS 6502s from various weeks >in 1984, still in their (original?) Synertek static tubes. >(At least, "Synertek" is stamped on the tubes.) > >A few "boy are these stupid" questions: > >1. Does anyone have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to >share with the group? All I know about them is they made >the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe >to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :) > >2. Is this a "Find" in any sense? (I paid all of 30 cents >each for them.) My motivation is to have enough replacement >parts to keep all my 6502-based hardware humming for years >to >come. Though in this case I have several lifetimes' worth. >:) > >3. Is there any reason to fear that these chips will "go >bad" >at any significant rate as they age? Is there any way I >could >store them (reasonably, I mean, no vaccum or outer-space >suggestions, please. :) to maximize their lifespan? Hi Sitting in the tube, they should last for 1000's of years. Moisture is about the only problem. Keep them in a zip-loc with a packet a silca-gel and they will out live you and your grandchildren's grandchildren. Any temperature that a human can live in will have virtually no effect on them. > >My plan is to come into work some evening and suit up with >the full anti-static treatment at an EMI bench with my >little >SBC (retrofitted with a 40 pin ZIF socket to avoid bending >their machine-straight little legs), and test them all in >rapid-fire succession. Is there anything inherently dumb >about powering them up? If these are NOS and not test pulls, they should all be functional. No need to test them unless you just feel the urge. Dwight > >Okay, well enough dumb questions. Just looking for >any comments on any of the points, as the spirit moves you. >:) > >-- Ross >

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Things to sell/give away

by fernande＠internet1.net

-IBM 8bit ISA serial/parallel card with NS16450N uart, from an AT (Free) -WDC 8/16 bit ISA 256K VGA card (Free) -2 fan trays with fans from a DEC R400X DSSI expansion chassis.... these are the same as the ones in any BA440 chassis right? ($10.00 both) -1 power supply from DEC R400X DSSI expansion chassis. I assume this os also the same as for the BA440. ($20) -Kensington System Saver Mac, this is for a Plus, SE, etc. It's in great shape. ($15.00) -SCO Open Desktop 2.0.0 on QIC tape. I tried installing it, and I think I had a bad tape drive.... NT wouldn't see the drive either. I picked it up used but the tape had never been opened until I opened it. It is in the original box with all manuals and license card. ($5.00) -2 Belkin narrow centronics style 6 foot scsi cables and a no-name terminator of some kind, probably passsive. All in new condition. ($10.00) Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Bull DPS-7000 rescue near Paris

by hansp＠aconit.org

I have a lead on a Bull DPS-700 mini/mainframe computer available near Paris for a very short time. Unfortunately I cannot rescue it, any takers? Reply direct to me at hansp(a)aconit.org -- hbp

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IBM DOS 1.1

by mythtech＠mac.com

>An eBay auction for DOS 1.1 just ended at over $300. Time to check my book case... I have a few copies that visually look like that pic, I wonder if any are v1.1... maybe I'll get lucky and can hock one to buy the new CD burner I want. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Panasonic KXP4400 - CHNG DRUM U27

by philpem＠dsl.pipex.com

Hi all, My prized laser printer, a Panasonic KXP4400, has just decided that the drum needs changing. I've put it into Service Mode and the drum pagecounter is only 2800; the drum is supposed to last 6000 sheets. I've come to the conclusion that the printer thinks the waste toner tank on the side of the OPC mech needs replacing. The OPC drum (the green roller) is fine; it's been printing OK for a while. Anyone know how to remove and empty the waste toner tank? To put it bluntly, I'm too cheap to buy a ?70 OPC drum when all that's wrong with the one I've got is a full waste toner tank! Thanks. -- Phil. philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/

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SONY BVE-30004 Editing System

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

A while back some one mentioned an interesting machine used for video editing. The local scrap dealer has one of these, the CPU card has a 8080 chip on it and the memory card is very full. I 'd guess the box is 12" X 18.

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Hi folks... delurk

by mross666＠hotmail.com

Just introducing myself (although quite a few of you have probably encountered me elsewhere) - Mike Ross, Scottish, living in New York just now. Been collecting for over ten years, interested primarily in DEC and IBM equipment from mid-60s to mid-70s. Fairly extensive DEC collection - many 8s, 11s, a couple of 15s, a couple of 10s, and a 12. IBM so far is a few 3/360/370 front panels, although I've recently obtained an 1800. Always willing to trade, current wants list includes: Any IBM System/3 or System/360 or System/370 Bits for my 15s - RF15, RS09, RP02, TC15 My 12 is and always has been a bit of a mess - would love another 12, or at least a replacement perspex for the front panel. Also got a strange hankering for a VT05 (got a VT8e and love the shape!) I've also got a bit of a weakness for sexy supercomputers, Have a Convex and a couple of Connection Machines, always interested in more, maybe a Cray EL for completeness... A fair bit of my collection is online at: http://www.corestore.org Warning: corestore.org may be a bit of a mess for the next couple of weeks - major changes to content, look & feel are under way. Cheers! Mike _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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8080

by raoul.somers＠skynet.be

Hello, I am looking for circuit diagrams of the original 8080 / 8085 to construct a prototype board Any hints? Raoul Somers Brussels, Belgium

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Got to look at the PDP7

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Finally was able to get a look at the PDP 7. I think it qualifies as the find of the week, or year, for me. I have corresponded with those most interested in it. If interested please contact me offlist at whoagiii(a)aol.com. Pictures at: http://members.aol.com/innfogra/pdp7.html or http://hometown.aol.com/innfogra/pdp7.html Here is the report; I saw the PDP 7. It is a delight. It is too bad the entire Lab could not be saved as a museum. The computer was installed in 1965 to run a 5 MEV Van de Graff Generator which had been installed in 1964. There is still one experiment running in the lab so it is not being shut down yet. The PDP 7 was replaced in 1992 with a RIDGE 32. The RIDGE 32 was replaced in 1999 with a SUN IPX which runs the Van de Graf via a GPIB connection. However the PDP7 was not removed or even disconnected. Harlan fired it up, tried to load a program off a disk drive, by first running a punch tape. Finally got the tape loaded and you could see action in the homemade disk drive controller, but nada. He was able to key in a simple program via the front switches that ran. Classic blinkin lights, wow! Evidently it is a Germanium transistor computer. Germanium, not being as stable as silicon, needs more love, care and attention to keep it running. There are two cabinets of boards and parts including extra core. It originally came with 4K of Core but they upgraded it with 4K more for a total of 8K. It has a 555 DECTAPE drive, a paper tape reader and desk in the central cabinet. It is 6 cabinets wide, however these are a narrow double door cabinet so the entire computer doesn't seem massive. It is cute! The paper tape punch is in the cabinet to the far left with 4K of core underneath. Second to the left is the other 4K and the power supplies for the memory. The third from the left is the console, desk and paper tape reader. IIRC there are three more cabinets to the left, the last two sparsely populated. All the cards are singles, early flip chip style. It originally came with a KSR 33 Teletype which is long gone. They used an ADM terminal in a roll around rack. Above the terminal is a HP1300 display. At the top are two DEC floppy drives with the Lab's own homemade disk controller. All this should be visible in the pictures. There is an entire file cabinet drawer of docs and paper tapes. Several boxes of boards and components, as Harlan said, a complete set of spares. he also indicated they were familiar with board level repairs and that is what it took to keep it running. They inherited lots of tapes from a PDP10 at one time, because they could use the same ones. There are several cabinets of small tapes. It is a classic museum piece.

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Fwd: who need a pdp11/20

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

In case anybody doesn't follow any of the 6 NGs this was posted to.... As usual, I don't know this guy from Adam, please respond to him not me. Doc From: "J.Fossy Weinzinger" <j.fossy(a)maxonline.at> Subject: who need a pdp11/20 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.sys.pdp11,alt.sys.pdp8,comp.os.vms,de.comp.os.vms,vmsnet.pdp-11 Followup-To: alt.sys.pdp10 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:37:52 +0200 hello, i own a pdp11/20 and in the near future i will not have enaugh room for it :-( so i will find sombody who want it the place where it is: austria, vienna, 1190 oh yes - it does not work :-( but you can repair it as i did 10 years ago so if you have interest and live near vienna write an email Fossy j.fossy(a)maxonline.at

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IBM DOS 1.1

by ekklein＠pacbell.net

An eBay auction for DOS 1.1 just ended at over $300. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2040680033> &item=2040680033 The seller incorrectly advertised this as the first released version of DOS, but even so I can't believe what folks will pay for this stuff. Could this mean that my copy of DOS 1.0 is worth $500 or more? Ouch. Erik

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Interak Computers.

by errol.page＠btinternet.com

Is there anyone who is interested in the 'ancient' INTERAK home-build computer? I have a lot of stuff in the attic - including manuals. It seems a shame to just throw it all away!. BTW I live near Reading in Berkshire, England - and the stuff is hardly miniature. Cheers Errol

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latest anti-haul from the local Goodwill

by mythtech＠mac.com

>> Maybe tomorrow I will take a few old clothes to be "donated" and I'll >> poke around a bit more. I wonder if dumpsters are considered like >> curbside garbage, once you toss it, it is public domain? (I don't know >> the cops in that town as well, so I might get hassled if I am back there >> dumpster diving at 3am) > >One of the places had a big sign making the claime that it was stealing to >take anything in (I agree), on (maybe) or around (don't think so) their >drop-off dumpster. It's since been replaced with a big sign claiming >leaving anything on the ground is illegal dumping and will be prosecuted to >the full extent of the law. I'm really not looking to steal from the drop off (that does seem a bit wrong). My dumpster reference was to their garbage dumpster in the back. They don't have a drop off dumpster there... just the back parking lot near the back door. People appear to just drop stuff on the ground. I figure I will look in the garbage dumpster to see if they toss the unwanted CPUs in there. That is my question regarding legality... taking >from a garbage dumpster. I know regular household garbage, as soon as you put it on curbside for pickup, is public domain, and anyone can help themselves to it (that includes non-bulk pickup, regular garbage... so it is legal for someone to root thru your garbage to pull out unwanted pre-approved credit card applications... it is just illegal for them to submit them to get a card in your name). So I didn't know if a business garbage dumpster was public domain as well, since you can't drag that to a curb. (I suppose there would be a trespassing issue, but that might be tough to enforce on a place that allows you to come on their property to drop off stuff) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Seeking Vectrix programming info.

by tlindner＠ix.netcom.com

> Someone near where I live is selling a Vectrix for a decent price and while it > would be OK as is... I programmed a vector graphics machine (Imlac) in my > near-childhood (at 19) and it would be wonderful to be able to do that again. > Does anybody remember seeing information on the instruction set of a Vectrix? > It was closed architecture for a while but it should be publishable by now*. Do you mean Vectrex? The cartridge based vector video game made by CGE. Then sold to Milton Bradley? Try usenet: rec.games.vectrex. It is a very active newsgroup. Both for players and programmers. There are (RS-232 based) RAM carts avaiable. That makes testing much faster. http://www.vectrex.biz/ Also check out Sean Kelly's MultiCart http://www.xnet.com/~skelly/vmulti.htm -- tim lindner tlindner(a)ix.netcom.com "Life. Don't talk to me about life." - Marvin, the android

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Teletypes (more more)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> wrote: > 8)You don't *have* to bring cold drinks, as there is a deli thing across > the street. Shucky darn. Here I was, sitting on the other side of the continent, reading all the writing about how k00l it would be for someone to ship them a Model 33 or whatever, and thinking that delivery of cold drinks would be a much more interesting, and probably more appreciated, hack. -Frank McConnell

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latest anti-haul from the local Goodwill

by mythtech＠mac.com

>City of Berkeley v Eldridge Cleaver ~1988? >Court ruled that it all belonged to the city, once at the curb! (and that >Eldridge's recycling business constiuted "theft"!) > > >But common sense says that since the intent was to get rid of it, that any >disposal is OK. I know at least in the local towns around here, curbside garbage picking is ok by law. I know this because I have been stopped on a number of occasions under the guise of a "suspicious vehicle" (which makes sense... driving around slowly at 1am shining a flashlight at houses). In every instance, once I explained what I was doing (and pointed out the load of stuff I had picked up), the officer sent me on my way... and on a few of those times, I have even had the officer tell me where they saw something good. I can however understand a town suing someone that makes a business out of taking general refuse from the curb, particularly recycling goods. I know at least one town around here sells their recycling, so if someone started driving around filling up their truck with it, you would be cutting into the town's money. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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FF: Fortran Coding Form Pads...

by florit＠unixville.com

I found a stack (3) of 'Fortran Coding Form' pads with an IBM logo, GX28-7327-6 U/M 050, Printed in the USA. Legal size (8x17)Nice light green, one stack is pretty nice, the others show a little yellowing. Don't know what dates these were available for. The lab I found these at was created in 1973, so that's a good limit for the 'Wayback machine'. I assume these are what Fortran coders would arrange their code on before translating the code into the paperpunches. Header fields are Program, Programmer, Date, Punching Instructions (Graphic or Punch), Page Of, Card Electro Number. The main area is headed up with Comm (comment?), Statement Number, Cont (continue?), Fortran Statement, Identification Sequence, followed but miscellaneous squares numbered from 1 to 80. Asterisked comments at the bottom are "A standard card form, IBM 888157, is available for punching statements from this form" and "Number of forms per pad may vary slightly". [snicker- especially if you pulled a few out!] Anyone want For Free? I imagine it'd be a cool prop material for your classic cmp. I'll stuff it in an envelope and send it out bookrate. L

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latest anti-haul from the local Goodwill

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Chance are they were probably sent off to be scrapped or something, so you >should have come back later and grabbed them :) Yeah, I'm thinking they just chuck them in their dumpster... but I didn't poke around in it because of the other people there at the time. Since they were early Pentiums... I didn't care that much. Maybe tomorrow I will take a few old clothes to be "donated" and I'll poke around a bit more. I wonder if dumpsters are considered like curbside garbage, once you toss it, it is public domain? (I don't know the cops in that town as well, so I might get hassled if I am back there dumpster diving at 3am) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Thinning the herd

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I'm starting to go through my collection and figure out what things I don't use enough to justify the space. It's a small list, but if anyone is interested, contact me off-list. * IBM ThinkPad 750T (pen-based computer with doc). Comes with power brick, dock and 185mb PCMCIA hard drive. PenWindows 95 installed. * IBM PC Convertible. Boots fine; battery shot. Comes with boot disks and monitor. * IBM PC Portable. Nice condition. Never really investigated what's on the HD. * Micromint MPX-16. Nice condition. In case; no floppy drives. Comes with tech manual and about 60 disks. This one comes directly from Steve Ciarcia's attic via Bob Stek. There's even a copy of the unreleased MS-DOS 1.25 (doesn't seem to boot, however). Only about 800 of these were made. * Spare Motorola MECB; untested. * Compaq SLT/286 with Windows. I may have the docking station for this, too. So, there you have it. Here's a list of things I'm looking for: * MAME-suitable monitor VGA-arcade style 21" or better. * "real" terminal: Hazeltine or ADM3 style. * S100 connectors (11, for a plain-jane Vector Electronics active backplane) and/or Vector S100 case. Alternatively, diagnostics services to get a N* working (actually, mostly VG cards in a N* case). * working drives for Radio Shack Model I with EI (has Percom interface) * Tandy PDD2 (portable disk drive) for Model 100. * ??? Open for suggestions. Thanks for the bandwith. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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latest anti-haul from the local Goodwill

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Stopped in just on a lark, and listen to the wonderful deals to be had. 1) WebTV, console & keyboard, $49.99 2) IBM PC3270, apparently complete with docs, $49.99 And the deal of the day: 3) Gateway 4/66, box only, for the stunning price of (I kid you not) $149.99 #include obscene rant #twice And of course `We have a guy who prices stuff in the morning. I'll tell him about it. I can't change it.' I offered him $10 for the PC3270, but the odds of that price somehow getting on it are somewhere between a-snowball's-chance-in-h#ll and none. Maybe I should just move to Texas. Bob

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latest anti-haul from the local Goodwill

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Actually, I haven't found much of any computer stuff >at that particular Goodwill in the last few months.... I wonder if they >are turning it away or pitching it. The Salvation Army store near me, told me that they turn away CPU donations (but take all other computer parts). Beacuse they had too many people buying them, and then expecting support or wanting to return it when it didn't work right (I guess the large "everything is AS IS, all sales final" signs thruout the store weren't enough). However, on a whim, I drove around the back of their place where you drop off stuff one sunday (the place is closed on sundays... stupid blue laws of the town it is in). When I took a look, there were 3 early pentiums sitting on the ground, complete systems (CPU, monitor, keyboard, mouse, printer, software, speakers, you name it). So, my guess is, they only turn away those that they notice, I don't know what they do with the ones that get dropped off when no one is there (I would have taken them, but there was someone dropping off clothes at the time... I felt a little guilty ripping off a goodwill store, at least in front of other people). Maybe you can ask them at your store what their policy is. One of these days I plan to go in and mention my "sighting" in hopes that I can convince them to give me a chance to buy all unwanted CPUs before they do whatever with them. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Teletypes (more more)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>> Maybe we could get someone that is in the area to deal with shipping >> various items ( for a small overhead ). > >YES! Someone *please* do this! I could *really* use an ASR-33! I'm very local to the town the warehouse is in (2 or so towns over, depending on what roads you take). And I am even used to the high crime areas it might be in (my wife is from one of the WORST parts of Jersey City... makes Paterson crime look peaceful). I would be happy to pick up and hold onto stuff, or ship it for people. BUT... I am rather ignorant when it comes to safely shipping heavy items (that is why I still have 4 IBM System 23 units on my floor... I can't figure out how to ship them, and I can't bear to throw them out when I know people that want them). If someone wants to give me a good breakdown of HOW to ship something heavy (how it needs to be packed, who to use as a carrier, where to get the packing materials)... AND if they want to cover the costs of said pickup (if I have to purchase the items from the warehouse), and shipping (materials and freight), I would be more than happy to go grab what peope want, and ship them off. Just remember, I am ignorant on how to do it, so don't get pissy if it doesn't survive, because any of this stuff will be a "learning experience" for me. Or if they will be in the NJ area and want to pick it up, I can store some stuff in a storage garage as long as it is out before the end of August (I am getting rid of it then). Anything longer than that has to go to the barnlike garage thing next to the leanto I live in. It is small and half full already, so I can't store much there (and it is open to the temperatures, and any animals that want to stop in since the walls stop about 4 inches short of the ground in most places) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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HARRIS 7611's

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

Hey guys, I need another set of BOOT ROMS for a HP1000 and cannot find a burner for those devices. Does anyone have the resources (burner) to duplicate HARRIS 7611's? Thanks, SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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How to Print CD Label

by mythtech＠mac.com

>It does not seem as if the feature is there on the Windows 98 SE version. >There is no icon that I have discovered that refers to "nudge". There are >some alignment icons, but I have not, as yet, discovered how to activate >them. I've looked and looked, but I can't find my PC version of the Avery Software (and it appears I uninstalled it at one point, as it isn't on my PC any more... I told you I don't use it very often, just the Mac version). In the Mac version, the Nudge option is in the File Menu, in place of what would normally be the Page Setup choice on a Mac (instead it says Printer Nudge). Maybe on the PC version it is also in the File Menu in place of the Page Setup? Sorry I can't be of better help (if I find the software soon, I'll install it and have a look around for the function) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Misc free stuff available

by lists＠subatomix.com

First thing is a NeXT box. By this I mean an actual cardboard box that once contained a NeXTstation. It's white and has a big NeXT logo on each side. It has been taped and shipped several times, so it is only in OK condition. If you're into classic computer packaging, this might be nice. I've also got what looks like a HP-UX distribution. I've got the following 6 60m DDS tapes in a padded HP case: HP-UX INSTALL TAPE P/N 5011-0262 For the HP9000 S700 REV A.09.05 1 OF 1 Install FMT HP-UX RUNTIME 2-USER P/N B2352-13439 B2352A REV A.09.05 For the HP9000 S700 1 OF 1 Update FMT HP-UX RUNTIME SUPPORT P/N B2352-13440 B2352A REV A.09.05 For the HP9000 S700 1 OF 1 Support FMT X.25/9000 LINK P/N J2159-13604 For the Series 700 REV A.B9.00 J2159A OPT UJC 1 OF 1 UPDATE FMT For the HP9000 S700 DATE CODE 3345 FOCUS for HP-UX Rel651m 1.228C HP69C for OS 9.0 series 700/8004 HP9000 Series 700 P/N 24998-10692 CUSTOMIZED SOFTWARE Release 0901, VUF A.B9.01 I also have two media converters. One is 100Base-FX to 100Base-TX, and the other is 10Base-T to 10Base-FL. They don't come with wall warts, manuals, or anything else. This stuff is free, first come first served. You pay for the shipping. I will ship only to addresses within the USA. No exceptions. -- Jeffrey Sharp The email address lists(a)subatomix.com is for mailing list traffic. Please send off-list mail to roach jay ess ess at wasp subatomix beetle dot com. You may need to remove some bugs first.

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How to Print CD Label

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I need some help with a ".tif" file. A scan was made of a CD label. >The label can be printed on a laser printer and the result is great, >but in the wrong position. If you are printing to an Avery or compatible label, you can download free templates from Avery's web site. The templates work with in MS Word IIRC. Avery also sells some very nice label printing software that works with 99% of their labels (they are a little slow to update the software, so the newest label formats may not be supported, but as of right now, everything I have ever seen sold is supported). Their label software allows you to print full sheets of labels, or any number of labels to a sheet, and lets you pick the starting point on the sheet (so you can use a partially used sheet). They also support graphic importing, as well as mail merge, so you can print custom worded labels for each label. The software is available for Mac or Windows (the Mac version has a slight bug if you use a large high resolution screen, when you open a new empty template, it draws the label off the side of the editable window... you then have to quit the app and restart it to use that template, annoying as all hell, but at least it doesn't do it with saved templates, so my often used ones I just saved a blank version of it and open it that way) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Amstrad PPC640

by Pillboxman2002＠btopenworld.com

I have recently come across a nice Amstrad PPC640 portable (but heavy!) computer, with the case and the whole lot..even a power supply, which is often missing from this kind of stuff and it can take years of going round boot sales to get replacements with the more unusual ones...Upon plugging it in to the mains and switching on, everything seems to be fine..it starts buzzing and the screen comes up with "Please Wait...." It then scans drives a and b and lets out three short bleeps..I thought these may be due to it needing a boot disk, as these things have no hard disk so obviously need something..both drives a and b are 31/2" 720k, so I made some MS-DOS 6.22 boot disks on my 386 using 720k disks..obviously they did nothing in drive b, but when I put them in driveA I sti;ll got my bleeps, but it started to read from the disk..the screen went blank so I waited assuming it would ask for the date and time, or come up with command..but nothing - a blank screen...but when I typed in B: or A: followed by [enter] it procceed to try and scan that particular drive. I have no idea why this is and need help from someone more farmiliar with the machine..but just for a guess I'd say if this machine was made in 1988, Dos 6 ismore recent than the portable, so I'd need probably dos 3.3 or something. Can anyone help me with the laptop or getting dos 3.3? I'm totally stuck!

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Weird assed Apple ][ card

by foo＠siconic.com

Has anyone ever heard of a PaceMark Technologies IIEasy Print card for the Apple ][? You'd think it was some sort of printer interface with the name. However, the edge connector simply has power leads, no data or address. So this card cannot communicate with the Apple ][. I imagine it must have been a daughterboard for some other card? It has a copyright date of 1989 silk-screened on the board. It also has a DB-25 connector tail on the rear. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Calling PS2 owners: machine needed (in Texas?)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Folks with plenty of PS2 parts, etc. to spare, SwRI sent around the following notice this afternoon: >2. Old Computers/ Parts Needed > >Division 08 has a specific application where an old personal computer system >must be kept operational for a few more years. Can anyone make available >parts (hard drives, floppy drives, etc) or complete computers of the IBM >PS2, Model 30, 286 type? Please contact Brian Koehler at ext. 3588 or e-mail >(mail to: BKoehler(a)swri.org ). Payment can be arranged as needed. This isn't exactly a hobby use, but it does concern on-topic machines; apologies in advance if this kind of post is not welcome here. Full phone number is (210)-522-3588 for Brian, or (210)-522-6025 for me if you want to check with me first, or email me at mtapley(a)swri.edu. SwRI is in San Antonio, Texas, and I assume that that's where the machine is needed - will update if that's not true. - Mark

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How to Print CD Label

by mythtech＠mac.com

>which holds the actual sticky labels. While the offset is only about 1/4", >that distance is quite noticeable. But when I attempt to use the Avery >program, there does not seem to be anything I can do to shift the labels. >Can anyone suggest anything from their experience? This is using >Windows 98 SE where I am a dummy!! If you are using the MS Word templates, I think you can just adjust the lines or margins to shift the image offset. If you are using the actual Avery LabelPro software, there is a printer nudge feature (at least on the Mac, I don't really use the PC version often so I'm not 100% sure on that, but I would think it is there too). With the printer nudge, you can tell it to offset the image in incriments (1/100th of an inch IIRC). That offset will let you move it up/down or left right. I have found that the Avery LablePro software doesn't seem to print the very bottom of the image on my DeskJet 855. It drops about the last 1/4" of the image (not offset, but rather just missing). It seems to be just that printer that it happens with, and I'm not 100% positive that it isn't the printer doing it (read: I haven't really tried it with other software to see if everything is just missing at that point, but nothing else has popped out at me). With my laser printers, the images always print correctly (so my color CD backgrounds I just used a striped image so you can't tell the bottom is cut off, rather it just looks like part of the image design) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Hidden codes in NEC 8080A

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > >Dwight Elvey wrote: >> I started to look and see what hidden >> codes might be in this processor. > >Is that different than what an Intel 8080A does? Hi First, there was an error in my previous list. The 0D9h does a RET and not a CALL. I looked at a Intel 8080A last night. All of the codes seemed to do the same. The values in the PSW were different. On the Intel part, bits 5 and 3 always returned '0' while bit 1 always returned '1'. Compared to the NEC that always returned '1' on both 1 and 3 but had the -/+ on bit 5. Dwight > >The undefined opcodes of the Intel 8085 are >rather more interesting, I'm told. > > > >

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ST-225 help needed

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002; "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > I have two Seagate ST-225 drives and a WD1002SWX2A controller. Both drives > have previously lived in XT-class DOS-based PCs. One of the drives is > bootable, the other is not. > > What I need to do is set both drives up in the same PC, booting from the > bootable drive (duh) so that I can extract the data from the non-bootable > drive. The object of the game is to move the data to a modern > (Duron-based) system. I can't boot from a floppy disk drive due to a fault > in the motherboard, but I do have a SCSI controller and hard drive in the > XT system. I can move the SCSI drive to the newer system once I can get to > the data on the non-bootable ST-225. > > What is the proper configuration for the ST-225 drives and the WD > controller? I've got two WD1002S-WX2 controllers in front of me. one ie Rev E, the other Rev F. I'll assume that is close enough for government work. Towards the back of the card is J1. You will need a ribbon cable with a 34 pin header connector to plug into J1. There should be two other connectors on the cable and this will plug into both drives. The drive connectors should already have a 'key tab' in them that lines up with the notch on the drive's circuit boards. Left of J1 is J2, a 20 pin header connector. You will need a ribbon cable to plug into J2 and that will connect to the bootable drive. Left of J2 is J3, also a 20 pin header connector. You will need another ribbon cable to plug into J3 and that will connect to the non-bootable drive. Between the two boards there are some differences in the setup, i.e. the jumpers in place on the board. First is W6 near the back of the board. First board has a jumper on 1-2, the other on 2-3. Also right at the back of the board is a 16 pin header connector. It is labeled SW1. I suppose some versions may have a dip switch instead. Watch the numbering, it is numbered 1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5. First board has jumpers on 3 and 5, the other board has 3 & 5 open. I have no documentation on these particular boards, so no idea what those jumpers are for. Years ago, I was able to find documentation (pdf files) on similar controllers on the web. It may still be available. One thing that comes to mind here is the drive interleave. The controller you have is 3:1 interleave. So I have to ask. If your drive(s) were formatted on a controller with a different interleave, are you going to be able to access the data on this controller? Since I haven't messed with an MFM drive in a long time, that is a question for someone else on the list that has worked with them more recently. HTH Mike

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How to Print CD Label

by mythtech＠mac.com

>IIRC, the HP DeskJet 800 series can't print on the last 1/4" or so of the >page due to their design. I think this is a common problem with other >DeskJets too. Well, at least in my case, I know the cutoff is kind of high. High enough, that I don't think it is page grab space. The CD label stops a good inch up from the bottom, so it is failing to print 1/4" above that. If it was something that mattered a whole lot to me, I would get around to testing to see if it is the DeskJet, or the Avery software, or an interaction between the two (the third is my guess, simply because I used to use the DeskJet all the time, and never noticed a problem, and the Avery software has no problems printing to my laser printers for full pages. Also, I know the latest version of the Mac software had a problem with Epson printers, where it froze the Mac... Avery recently released a patch to fix that, so they may have a problem with HP DeskJet printers as well). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Weird assed Apple ][ card

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/24/2002 10:29:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << Has anyone ever heard of a PaceMark Technologies IIEasy Print card for the Apple ][? You'd think it was some sort of printer interface with the name. However, the edge connector simply has power leads, no data or address. So this card cannot communicate with the Apple ][. I imagine it must have been a daughterboard for some other card? It has a copyright date of 1989 silk-screened on the board. It also has a DB-25 connector tail on the rear. >> hmmm, with a 1989 date, I wonder if it could be for the GS. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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Hidden codes in NEC 8080A

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > >Dwight Elvey wrote: >> I started to look and see what hidden >> codes might be in this processor. > >Is that different than what an Intel 8080A does? Hi Eric I'll have to try it out. I'm not sure how the intel ones respond. > >The undefined opcodes of the Intel 8085 are >rather more interesting, I'm told. There were suppose to be a couple of block move instructions. They put these in to compete with Z80 ones but never released them as part of the instruction set. This was why I thought there was something extra in the NEC chip. I recall, way back when I was working for Intel that we had a list of the hidden operations that chips did. I could swear that there was something in the NEC 8080A that I'd confirmed by running some code on my Poly-88. I guess my mind is just playing tricks. The 8085 stuff is for real, though. I don't have something easy to test it on. The Poly-88 has a great monitor that I can single step with and examine every thing. I think I have a 8085/8088 S100 board around someplace. Maybe for future fiddling I'll see what it does. If I think of it, I can check the intel 8080A tonight. Later Dwight

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Hidden codes in NEC 8080A

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I started to look and see what hidden codes might be in this processor. My memory said that there was something useful but I couldn't find anything. Here is what I saw: 08 nop 10 nop 18 nop 20 nop 28 nop 30 nop 38 nop CB JMP D9 CALL DD CALL ED CALL FD CALL I did see something unusual. Looking at the PSW, bit# 5 would change, depending on if an add or subtract was done on an earlier instruction. If there was a subtract, it would be set to a '1'. It would set to '0' on anything that did an add, ADD, ADI, ACI, ADC, DAD, INR and INX. It would go to '1' on DCR, DCX, SUB, SUI and SBB. I looked for anything related to overflow conditions but didn't see anything. None of the NOP codes effected any of the registers or flags. The PSW bits 1 and 3 were always set to '1'. How dull! Dwight

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IBM field service was Re: ST-225 help needed

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: "Joe" <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > > > At 07:02 PM 7/23/02 -0700, Fred wrote: > > > > > > >In their early days of the PC, IBM had worse field staff than Radio > Shack > > >did! > > > > Wow! That's hard to beleive! Especially since RS had no field service > AFIK and the service in the "Service Centers" was utterly worthlss! > > > > Joe > > > > > > ---------- > From: Curt Vendel > > That's cause the IBM field service guys spent too much time typing to > fellow > friends and co-workers on their wireless XT handhelds.... man those things > were cool!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Curt > > Are you talking about those things with the 2 (or is it 3?) line LCD displays? You know, the brick? That's about the size of them... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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cctalk digest, Vol 1 #97 - 34 msgs

by pechter＠ureach.com

> From: Tarsi <tarsi(a)binhost.com> > Organization: OrangeNET > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Sun IPC OS? > Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:57:03 -0500 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > What do you all recommend I run on my Sun IPC machines for an OS? I've never > messed with them before, myself. Just got some new harddrives for them, > eager to try them out. > > Thanks! > > Tarsi > All my experience says SunOS 4.1.4 or 4.1.3_U1 with the y2k patches works ok. Replacing the resolver with resolv+ v2.1 is also recommended by me. Somewhere I've got a tape with the 4.1.4 patches cpio'd up to be overlayed on a 4.1.4 system for Sparc2... I did all the y2k patching for my group at Lucent and found the "drop the cpio on top" method of patching got me down to 15 minutes per machine and one reboot after I did the first Sparc10 and Sparc2 and made the tapes. Bill pechter(a)ureach.com

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Need Compaticard II jumper and driver docs

by NAVACCHIA＠desdcad.cea.fr

hello I have also a COMPATICARD II and the manual only treat about Compaticard IV. There are any documentation about DMA and IRQ. The jumpers J1 and J2 A and B position respectively. IRQ 6 and DMA 2 (two jumpers). I have lost the software to enable the overdrive 1200. Can you send me a copy by e-mail? Thanks ---------------------------------- Fr?d?ric NAVACCHIA CEA Cadarache DEN/DED/SCCD/LECC B?t. 238 13108 St Paul Lez Durance ----------------------------------- t?l: 04-42-25-64-38 fax: 04-42-25-35-53 navacchia(a)cea.fr

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