27 Jul
2002
27 Jul
'02
6:51 p.m.
Maybe tomorrow
I will take a few old clothes to be "donated" and I'll
poke around a bit more. I wonder if dumpsters are considered like
curbside garbage, once you toss it, it is public domain? (I don't know
the cops in that town as well, so I might get hassled if I am back there
dumpster diving at 3am)
One of the places had a big sign making the claime that it was stealing to
take anything in (I agree), on (maybe) or around (don't think so) their
drop-off dumpster. It's since been replaced with a big sign claiming
leaving anything on the ground is illegal dumping and will be prosecuted to
the full extent of the law. from a garbage dumpster. I know regular household
garbage, as soon as you
put it on curbside for pickup, is public domain, and anyone
can help
themselves to it (that includes non-bulk pickup, regular garbage... so it
is legal for someone to root thru your garbage to pull out unwanted
pre-approved credit card applications... it is just illegal for them to
submit them to get a card in your name).
So I didn't know if a business garbage dumpster was public domain as
well, since you can't drag that to a curb. (I suppose there would be a
trespassing issue, but that might be tough to enforce on a place that
allows you to come on their property to drop off stuff)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
27 Jul
27 Jul
7:05 p.m.
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Chris wrote:
from a garbage dumpster. I know regular household
garbage, as soon as you
put it on curbside for pickup, is public domain, and anyone can help
themselves to it (that includes non-bulk pickup, regular garbage... so it
City of Berkeley v Eldridge Cleaver ~1988?
Court ruled that it all belonged to the city, once at the curb! (and that
Eldridge's recycling business constiuted "theft"!)
But common sense says that since the intent was to get rid of it, that any
disposal is OK.
7:17 p.m.
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
City of Berkeley v Eldridge Cleaver ~1988?
Court ruled that it all belonged to the city, once at the curb! (and that
Eldridge's recycling business constiuted "theft"!)
Thought that was much earlier. In any case, *any* court decision with
Cleaver's name on it can't be regarded as indicative.
Doc
7:39 p.m.
> City of Berkeley v Eldridge Cleaver ~1988?
> Court ruled that it all belonged to the city, once at the curb! (and that
> Eldridge's recycling business constiuted "theft"!)
On Sat, 27
Jul 2002, Doc Shipley wrote:
Thought that was much earlier. In any case, *any*
court decision with
Cleaver's name on it can't be regarded as indicative.
Are you implying that the court ruled based on whose ox was gored, rather
than on the legal issues?
You're right that it must have been earlier. It was about 88 (or 90) when
the police "found" Eldridge "beaten half to death with clubs", and
took
him to Herrick hospital.
9:38 p.m.
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Not sure I was implying anything. I will state unequivocally that
IMHO, Eldridge Cleaver had for so long been such a thorn in the legal
ass of California that any ruling against him could be considered
payback, not law. Whether or not that ruling coincided with current
law as it stood is and was irrelevant.
> City of
Berkeley v Eldridge Cleaver ~1988?
> Court ruled that it all belonged to the city, once at the curb! (and that
> Eldridge's recycling business constiuted "theft"!)
On Sat, 27
Jul 2002, Doc Shipley wrote:
Thought that was much earlier. In any case,
*any* court decision with
Cleaver's name on it can't be regarded as indicative.
Are you implying that the court ruled based on whose ox was gored, rather
than on the legal issues? You're right that it must have been earlier. It
was about 88 (or 90) when
the police "found" Eldridge "beaten half to death with clubs", and
took
him to Herrick hospital.
I Googled around a little, and mid/late 80's would be right for that
case. I must have been thinking of something else.
Doc
28 Jul
28 Jul
2:27 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: latest anti-haul from the local Goodwill
Bob
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Chris wrote:
> from a garbage dumpster. I know regular household garbage, as soon as
you
> put it on curbside for pickup, is public domain,
and anyone can help
> themselves to it (that includes non-bulk pickup, regular garbage... so
it
City of Berkeley v Eldridge Cleaver ~1988?
Court ruled that it all belonged to the city, once at the curb! (and that
Eldridge's recycling business constiuted "theft"!)
But common sense says that since the intent was to get rid of it, that any
disposal is OK.
You'd think so, wouldn't you. I don't know the laws around here, but
they're either in our favor or not enforced. Around september, when the
students come back to skool, it's like they just throw *EVERYTHING* out and
ask daddy for more. Without going too far OT, I've gotten everything from
complete peaseas and power macs throught RL05. I kid you not-- I pilled a
pair of 'em from beside a dumpster last year. I'm gonna go back and look
for the rest of it this year. ;)
[OT] I heard on TV (so I know it really happened!) some crook got off
because he pitched the murder weapon into someones' trash. The cops pulled
it out and busted him, but the courts ruled that since he thought the trash
couldn't be searched, the evidence was inadmissable. And my taxes go to pay
these guys!
6:42 a.m.
Robert Schaefer wrote:
You'd think so, wouldn't you. I don't
know the laws around here, but
they're either in our favor or not enforced. Around september, when the
students come back to skool, it's like they just throw *EVERYTHING* out and
ask daddy for more. Without going too far OT, I've gotten everything from
complete peaseas and power macs throught RL05. I kid you not-- I pilled a
pair of 'em from beside a dumpster last year. I'm gonna go back and look
for the rest of it this year. ;)
Garbage is also where many college kids go shoping for furniture :-)
Your right though, it's amazing the amount of stuff that get pitched at
the end if the year :-)
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
27 Jul
27 Jul
7:34 p.m.
I figure I will look in the garbage dumpster to see if
they toss the
unwanted CPUs in there. That is my question regarding legality... taking
from a garbage dumpster. I know regular household garbage, as soon as you
put it on curbside for pickup, is public domain, and anyone can help
themselves to it (that includes non-bulk pickup, regular garbage... so it
is legal for someone to root thru your garbage to pull out unwanted
pre-approved credit card applications... it is just illegal for them to
submit them to get a card in your name).
This varies. Some places have laws against anyone except the
designated garbage collectors from picking up items from the
garbage. In some places these are due to recycling and proper
disposal, and in others the laws are for health reasons. There
are people that will climb in a dumpster and dig around to see
what they can find, and dumpsters are exactly the healthiest
places.
In Plano, for instance, you can't take anything from someone's
garbage:
Sec. 18-6. Residential refuse container.
...
(l) No person other than the current resident of the property
containing a collection location, a city collector, or an authorized
refuse contractor shall remove, pick up or transfer refuse materials
which have been placed in a refuse container in any residential
subdivision or at any single-family residence. Each violation of
this provision which occurs from one (1) or more collection
locations shall constitute a separate and distinct offense punishable
as provided in section 18-3 of this chapter.
...
Sec. 18-15 covers the same for business refuse and recyclable
materials, and Sec. 18-16 covers the same for residential
recyclable materials. The fine can be up to $2000.00.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
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