26 Jul
2002
26 Jul
'02
5:13 a.m.
From: "Kent Borg" <kentborg(a)borg.org>
Teletypes in New Jersey, and I am in Boston. Damn.
-kb
Hi
Maybe we could get someone that is in the area to
deal with shipping various items ( for a small overhead ).
I could use a few items myself, for a 33. Of course
an entire machine would make a good spare but shipping
cost a lot and they really are too heavy to put in
a cardboard box ( that is why I need some parts ).
Is there anyone in the area that could work as a middle
man?
Dwight
wish list:
1. Outside plastic case for a asr33.
2. Tape reader latch or spare reader.
3. Power module for a tape reader.
26 Jul
26 Jul
5:47 a.m.
--- "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> wrote:
I'd love that.
From:
"Kent Borg" <kentborg(a)borg.org>
Teletypes in New Jersey, and I am in Boston. Damn.
-kb
Hi
Maybe we could get someone that is in the area to
deal with shipping various items ( for a small overhead ). wish list:
1. Outside plastic case for a asr33.
2. Tape reader latch or spare reader.
3. Power module for a tape reader.
I'd love to get a plastic print-area cover, the one that's hinged
(not the entire cover), to replace a broken one. Depending on
what kind of parts are there, I'd love to get the print mechanism
assembly that slides on the rails. (all for ASR-33)
Now... if there are any gram-weight tension gauges or spring hooks
or other essential TTY maintenance tools in with the parts, I could
*really* use a set of those - then I would have a chance of maintaining
the 33 I have.
Shame I'm in Ohio.
-ethan
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2:12 p.m.
On Friday, July 26, 2002, Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
Maybe we could get someone that is in the area to deal
with shipping
various items ( for a small overhead ).
YES! Someone *please* do this! I could *really* use an ASR-33!
shipping cost a lot and they really are too heavy to
put in a cardboard
box
Huh? Take 'em off their stand, and they're sufficiently small and light. I'd
use a double-wall box (available from any serious box store), but they'll
ship just fine. And I want one.
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5:21 p.m.
on 7/26/02 9:10 PM, Jeffrey Sharp at lists(a)subatomix.com wrote:
Just about everyone could. It's one of the things I need to complete my Nova
2 and 3 systems. Oh yeah, and my Honeywell 316, which I now have the manuals
for. 8-)
Mine (now yours, Jeff) was shipped UPS and arrived just fine. So yes, they
can be shipped. The man who sent it only did a so-so job of packing it, too,
and it still made it all right. He took the main unit off the stand and
wrapped it well, then put the rolls of paper and paper tape in the stand.
--
Owen Robertson
Maybe we could
get someone that is in the area to deal with shipping
various items ( for a small overhead ).
YES! Someone *please* do this! I could *really* use an ASR-33! shipping cost
a lot and they really are too heavy to put in a cardboard
box
Huh? Take 'em off their stand, and they're sufficiently small and light. I'd
use a double-wall box (available from any serious box store), but they'll
ship just fine. And I want one. 
27 Jul
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29 Jul
29 Jul
2:22 a.m.
New subject: Teletypes (request)
Did anyone get together with others to handle pickup since William can't
ship? I have been wanting a working ASR33 for years, but it doesn't look
like I will be able to get up there to get one and set up shipping.
If anyone is headed up there, I would be willing to pay something for their
trouble if they would get one or two 33's for me, and then I would gladly
pay the shipping charges to get them shipped back to me. Basically, I just
need someone to get one or two and put them on a pallet, then I can have a
freight company pick them up and ship them to me. Could anyone possibly help
with this?
THANKS!!!
Jay West
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10:56 a.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
A couple of 33s went out today, but there are still three used ones left.
There are also 2 unused, still-boxed 33s with 101A Datasets. For these
latter items, I am accepting offers. Still pick up, or you arrange shipping.
There also are several 35s (I think).
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
5:11 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
--- William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> wrote:
There are also 2 unused, still-boxed 33s with 101A
Datasets.
Do you know if these have the rotary dial or the touch-tone keypad? I
have one with the touch-tone pad that I stupidly removed when I was much
younger and much more hasty than I am now. I would like to put it back,
but I don't know where the leads go. I'm hoping that a) it's the touch-
tone variety and b) whomever gets it from you is nice enough to send
digital pictures and/or c) there are docs.
For these latter items, I am accepting offers. Still
pick up, or you
arrange shipping.
I'd love to, but as I mentioned before, you are bit far from Ohio. :-(
Thanks,
-ethan
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30 Jul
30 Jul
12:32 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
There are also
2 unused, still-boxed 33s with 101A Datasets.
Do you know if these have the rotary
dial or the touch-tone keypad? I 
12:59 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
Tell us of these glorious finds, so we can enjoy them
vicariouly! No time to visit, and no room for anything
anyway! Sure would like an ASR-33, though. Heck, I'd
like to hear an MP3 of one printing (all I've found on
the 'net was model 19's).
--- John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> wrote:
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> There are
also 2 unused, still-boxed 33s with
101A Datasets.
Do you know if these have the rotary dial or the
touch-tone keypad? I
The ones that I saw of the '33 type (me no expert)
had touchtone,
but this warehouse had many machines (some MIL, some
teletype-type)
with a pulse dialers on them.
Here's a rave about the rest (long).
A good word for the Donzie's woarehouse experience.
First off to see
is the magnitude of everything. The Armory encloses
an area equal to
the MIT swapmeet, with about 2~3 times the mass of
items (in boxfulls
instead of just covering tabletops) and of course no
PeeSee. I spent a
whole day there which was just about enough,
considering the MIT
swapmeet takes me about 3 hours.
There certainly are enough teletypes... I estimate
about 50 of them
-various models- in complete assembly but in
good/used condition,
unboxed with a small amount of dust in them. There
are also some
same-era Siemens machines of teletype function. For
teletypes there
is about maybe 60' x 6' x 3' of boxed replacement
parts, we also found
informtion booklets and packets for TT scattered
around (this is day 2
of WD's many-week holding of the warehouse) things
will only get more
orderly.
Of interest to me
The real neat stuff for me were beaucoup 19" racks
with MIL stuff in them.
We're talking here about meters, switches,
actuators, scopes,
waveguides, gear drive actuators, really the more
interesting things you
can find in racks, short of an actual PDP-1.
Also many testsets (meter boxes) and on and on. I
can keep writing about
this but you may get the idea by now... Indiana
Jones' lost Arc is in there
someplace.
John A.
an unpaid endorsement
1:33 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
Tell us of these glorious finds, so we can enjoy them
vicariouly!
I'm a TTY wimp. The ones I looked at had a proprietary (IE
normally inside the case) connector with what looked like a
normal 5/12v power connector, only more pins, 5x4, instead
of 1x4 IIRC. If someone can pin this out for me I'm goin' back!
Also: Radar consoles, VGC. Would make a neat rack to
house an early vector graphics system. About 6 of them of
different types. And storage racks from medium to "Home
Depot" scale. Also: WD now has his own under-wing
radar system in aerodynamic pod.
Heck, I'd like to hear an MP3 of one printing (all
I've found
the 'net was model 19's).
Rent, no buy, 'Andromeda Strain' or
'Colossus'...
everyone here should have a copy.
John A.
31 Jul
31 Jul
12:45 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
Tell us of these glorious finds, so we can enjoy them
vicariouly!
I was there on Monday. It really is worth visiting just to see the
place. There is _lots_ of old radar, sonar, and other military equipment
which is amazing to see.
I ended up with a 33 and passed on the other teletypes due to lack of
space. I wish I had room for another, older one. If you have any
interest in teletype equipment you really have to visit. There are too
many different models and boxes of parts to mention.
Are there manuals for the 33 online? I was unable to find them. I'd
also appreciate advice on what I should check on this Teletype before I
power it on.
Thanks,
Tom
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1:07 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
At 12:19 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, Tom Owad wrote:
Here is another report:
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:56:38 -0400
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Greenkeyers...
I visited the famous "Paterson NJ warehouse" today and was
just amazed at what it held. (The building is an old Government
armory, built around 1903.) Amongst the TONS of 1940-1960 electical
and electronic stuff, there was a lot of TTY gear:
It appears the owner was the recipient of Western Union's entire
TTY parts inventory (maybe from multiple locations). E.g., there are
more than 100 28ROTR bases in boxes (no covers or
perf units or gear shifts).
I counted three unused Model 28ASR cabinets with
some sheet metal missing, unfortunately, and
there was another half dozen incomplete 28ASR's. Some of the
ASR's had oddball TD's with WU markings instead of the
normal Teletype Corp. LXD. There was a large fan on
the back of those machines with some sort of electronic
package in the base.
Counted 10 28KSR's in various condition (mostly "sad").
Anyone for a Model 35ASR? There's six of them there (private
line models) and two are crated.
Siemens machines were all over the place. There are a few Model
33ASR's (no covers or bases) and a BRAND NEW 33ASR
TWX machine in a box. There is also a BRAND NEW 32ASR
TELEX machine in a box (unopened). There has to be tons of
parts, mostly 28 stuff that I have never seen break. Lots of Model
33 covers and lids (some look new) and boxes of new keytops (the
ones that always go bad and turn moldy white)..
I found about a dozen of the oddball LBXD TD heads and one
complete stand-along LBXD TD. There might be some standard
LXD TD's there, too.
Found a WW 2 Model 15 (TG-7) in the elusive crate (table). Good chance
there's a few more of them there. No other Model 15 vintage stuff
was seen except a banged up 14TD.
A few Kleinschmidt TT-76's were in a pile and they didn't look
salvageable. And, to top it off, there was a lonely UGC-74A on
the floor.
The person who is cleaning out this stuff wants to unload everything
as quickly as possible. Since he has TONS of ship's radars, ship's
gyro's and other really HEAVY stuff to worry about, I told him I'd
tend to the TTY stuff for him. (I saw a huge gray box
marked "NIMITZ"!) It is not practicle to try to ship the
bits and pieces, so the only way to get at it would be to visit. He
has some restrictions on access and the area is not the garden spot
of NJ, so visits would have to be coordinated carefully (wear Kevlar).
And, he wants the stuff gone; he doesn't want to bother with selling
a dozen keytops.
After wandering around for a day, I can pretty much guaranty that
the TTY stuff is not operational and would need work (every machine
seems to have something missing). And most of the 28's have
oddball widgets and electrical whatsits that would have to be
surgically removed to get the basic machine working. Except for those
few unused cabiknets, most of the machines are banged up in
one way or another.
The 35's appear to be the most complete, orphans that they are.
Depending on the timing, I might try to grab most of the incomplete
TTY's and store them somewhere with the intention of getting
them working (borrowing parts from here and there). I cannot
fathom taking the boxed parts...I'd need a lot of space and
a lot of time and, honestly, most of those parts were the ones
that would never be used in normal maintenance. (for example,
I didn't find any clutches, or gears, or the like...parts that would break
under heavy use). I'm guessing that this stuff might have been from
a repair depot that rebuilt machines, not from a local "TTY shop"
that serviced customers.
If anyone is interested, let me know off-list and I can help make the
arrangements.
Jack WA2HWJ
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Tell us of
these glorious finds, so we can enjoy them
vicariouly!
I was there on Monday. It really is worth visiting just to see the
place. There is _lots_ of old radar, sonar, and other military equipment
which is amazing to see. 
1:55 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Owad" <owad(a)applefritter.com>
To: "Classic Computer" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Teletypes (update)
Radar? Sigh. Pity you are in the USA. We have a 3cm ex marine set
but something ex mil would be nice.
FLTLT (AAFC) Geoff Roberts
Commanding Officer
No. 614 (City of Port Pirie) Squadron
6 Wing
Australian Air Force Cadets
co.614sqn(a)adfc.gov.au
Tell us of
these glorious finds, so we can enjoy them
vicariouly!
I was there on Monday. It really is worth visiting just to see the
place. There is _lots_ of old radar, sonar, and other military equipment
which is amazing to see.
30 Jul
30 Jul
1:18 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
The ones that I saw of the '33 type (me no expert)
had touchtone,
but this warehouse had many machines (some MIL, some teletype-type)
with a pulse dialers on them.
It turns out one machine is a 33, one is a 32.
A good word for the Donzie's woarehouse
experience. First off to see
is the magnitude of everything. The Armory encloses an area equal to
the MIT swapmeet, with about 2~3 times the mass of items (in boxfulls
instead of just covering tabletops) and of course no PeeSee. I spent a
whole day there which was just about enough, considering the MIT
swapmeet takes me about 3 hours.
And you did not even dig too much. I have been going to that warehouse for
six years, and even today I found dozens of good things I never knew about.
John A.
an unpaid endorsement
Thanks! Come back and you will get a freebie...ummm...ummm...gyrocompass
binnacle.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
31 Jul
31 Jul
5:43 a.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
--- William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> wrote:
I am now seriously interested, especially if Dan Cohoe and I can
work out transportation details. I could use one as a road map
to get the other one working.
ObFolklore - when I got mine at Dayton a number of years ago (for $35)
and got it home, I had no idea how to test the dataset. Most BBSs
(this being before the days of ISPs) had converted to 300/1200 baud
racked modems and not all supported 110 baud anylonger. I thought of
one that surely could do it - CompuServe. I looked up the number and
was able to connect and get a logon prompt from the old Classic
online service.
Since I didn't have schematics, I didn't know where to tap in current
loops, and had to continue my search for a PDP-8 console. Now that I
_do_ have PDF scans of schematics and the maintenance manual, I can
contemplate that conversion project I started so long ago, even if
I never get the touch-tone pad reattached.
Thanks,
-ethan
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Do you know if
these have the rotary dial or the touch-tone keypad?
Touch tone. 
30 Jul
30 Jul
1:44 a.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 06:55:27PM -0400, William Donzelli wrote:
There are also 2 unused, still-boxed 33s with 101A
Datasets. For
these latter items, I am accepting offers. Still pick up, or you
arrange shipping.
Jeepers! How about an opening bid of $200 plus actual shipping costs.
(Maybe e-mail you a paid UPS shipping label?)
Thanks,
-kb
2:34 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
I'm surprised no one wants the model 35's. My
godmother, who was a top level TTY repair person at
the famous Western Electric Hawthorne Works plant in
Cicero, Illinois, said that the 33 was a piece of junk
compared to the 35. The 33 was never meant to be a
computer output device and she junked a lot of them
that had just gotten the you-know-what beaten out of
them. The 35 was meant to be a serious, continuous
duty unit, designed to be maintainable essentially
forever. Apparently, lot of the adjustments to the 33
are made by "forming"-a polite word for bending. Of
course, the 35 is a lot heavier and bigger! And was a
lot more expensive.
Anyone who gets one should take extra care for extra
platens and plastic pieces. They were really cheap
(like the platen knobs) and after this many years I
don't think the plastic's gotten stronger. Watch for
dried up platens. And take care of the ones you get
(DONT, DONT clean with alchohol. Ever.)
Unfortunately, she's really old and I don't think she
could help me with one even if I lucked into one.
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31 Jul
31 Jul
12:15 p.m.
New subject: Teletypes (update)
The NIB 33 has been sold.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
27 Jul
27 Jul
2:41 p.m.
Maybe we could get someone that is in the area to
deal with shipping various items ( for a small overhead ).
I could use a few items myself, for a 33. Of course
an entire machine would make a good spare but shipping
cost a lot and they really are too heavy to put in
a cardboard box ( that is why I need some parts ).
Is there anyone in the area that could work as a middle
man?
I do not care if someone acts as a middle man for shipping, however, some
ground rules:
1) *I* will not ship this items. Period. I will certainly help move and
load them into you vehicle, but that is it. This whole thing is a serious
business deal for me, and I do have time constraints.
2) If you get a middleman for shipping. he *must* remove the gear from
the warehouse and store it elsewhere. I can not hold things.
3) 33s are high on everyone's list, and I count 5 units so far (some
preety good, some pretty bad). There may be more. First come first serve
on these, one per TTYgeek, - I really can not tag things
for people. I will warn the list when I *think* all of the 33s are gone.
This warehouse is an enigma - I have been going there for six years, yet
I still manage to uncover 600 pound racks of equipment I never saw
before. There literally could be dozens of 33s buried.
4) Paterson, NJ is the place. Contact me before coming, as I would like
to limit the number of TTYgeeks per day to about 2 (so the owners don't
go bananas).
5) Monday (hopefully), the first people will start coming. They will
receive emails with directions within minutes.
6) Yesterday, while looking, I see that there are lots of teletypewriter
doodads. I mean lots. I can not even begin to inventory, or even answer
specific wants, as I am simple swamped. I may try, but don't expect much.
The best bet is to just take your chances and come on down. I will warn
the list when the pile has really shrunk.
7) So far I have seen Teletypes, WU tagged units, Seimens, Kleinschmidts,
lots of AN/UGCs, and probably some other weirdness.
8)You don't *have* to bring cold drinks, as there is a deli thing across
the street.
William Donzelli
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