29 Jul
2002
29 Jul
'02
11:47 a.m.
I have some Synertek NMOS 6502s from various weeks
in 1984, still in their (original?) Synertek static tubes.
(At least, "Synertek" is stamped on the tubes.)
A few "boy are these stupid" questions:
1. Does anyone have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to
share with the group? All I know about them is they made
the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe
to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :)
2. Is this a "Find" in any sense? (I paid all of 30 cents
each for them.) My motivation is to have enough replacement
parts to keep all my 6502-based hardware humming for years
to
come. Though in this case I have several lifetimes' worth.
:)
3. Is there any reason to fear that these chips will "go
bad"
at any significant rate as they age? Is there any way I
could
store them (reasonably, I mean, no vaccum or outer-space
suggestions, please. :) to maximize their lifespan?
My plan is to come into work some evening and suit up with
the full anti-static treatment at an EMI bench with my
little
SBC (retrofitted with a 40 pin ZIF socket to avoid bending
their machine-straight little legs), and test them all in
rapid-fire succession. Is there anything inherently dumb
about powering them up?
Okay, well enough dumb questions. Just looking for
any comments on any of the points, as the spirit moves you.
:)
-- Ross
29 Jul
29 Jul
5 p.m.
--- Ross Archer <archer(a)topnow.com> wrote:
I have some Synertek NMOS 6502s from various weeks
in 1984, still in their (original?) Synertek static tubes.
(At least, "Synertek" is stamped on the tubes.)
Cool. The 6502 was so widely shipped (from PETs and Apples to Nintendo
and even terminals/muxes/peripheral card embedded CPUs) that it's unlikely
to be "R@RE" anytime soon, it's always nice to have a few on hand.
A few "boy are these stupid" questions:
1. Does anyone have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to
share with the group? All I know about them is they made
the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe
to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :)
They were also a 68000 second-source for Motorola. I have a quantity
of them, c. 1982.
2. Is this a "Find" in any sense? (I paid
all of 30 cents
each for them.) My motivation is to have enough replacement
parts to keep all my 6502-based hardware humming for years
to come. Though in this case I have several lifetimes' worth.
:)
I wouldn't call it the find of the year, but it's probably the find
of the week. I don't have any NOS, but between a crate of boards
from text terminals (100% socketed ICs!) and two crates
of boards
from a mux (thanks Bob!), I have tubes of Rockwell and other brands,
as pulls.
3. Is there any reason to fear that these chips will
"go
bad" at any significant rate as they age?
Not if they are powered off and stored in static packaging in
a dry place.
My plan is to come into work some evening... and test
them all...
No need to power them up unless you are intensely curious. Odds
are, they probably all work. Personally, I'd wait until you needed
one, then pull a tube and start with the first one.
No major harm is likely to come to them, but you might as well keep
them in their present state, protected from any random harm until
you need one.
-ethan
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6:13 p.m.
1. Does anyone
have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to
share with the group? All I know about them is they made
the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe
to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :)
They were also a 68000 second-source for Motorola. I have a quantity
of them, c. 1982.
30 Jul
30 Jul
5:09 a.m.
--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote:
Really? I knew that Mostek, Rockwell, Signetics, and SGS-Thompson were
early second-sources for the 68000, but I haven't ever seen Synertek
parts.
Perhaps I'm confused. I may have been told "Synertek" by someone at
work, c. 1984, and they might have meant Signetics. I _do_ have some
68000 chips with a "block S" logo... would that be Signetics, then?
-ethan
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1. Does anyone have any cool Synertek lore they'd
like to
share with the group? All I know about them is they made
the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe
to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :)
They were also a 68000 second-source for Motorola. I have a quantity
of them, c. 1982. 
5:21 a.m.
New subject: New Comp in Old Cloth
Take a look at:
http://www.retrosystem.com
A guy fitting actual Intel boxes into VCS, NES or Amiga 1000
cases (at the moment only the Amiga is available).
Gruss
H.
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5:29 a.m.
New subject: New Comp in Old Cloth
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
Take a look at:
http://www.retrosystem.com
A guy fitting actual Intel boxes into VCS, NES or Amiga 1000
cases (at the moment only the Amiga is available).
Bleah.
I don't like Model-A Fords with V8 hemis, either.
Doc
6:57 a.m.
New subject: New Comp in Old Cloth
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
Take a look at:
http://www.retrosystem.com
A guy fitting actual Intel boxes into VCS, NES or Amiga 1000
cases (at the moment only the Amiga is available).
Why would anyone want to downgrade such lovely old computer systems
with Intel gear? What a shame.
-brian.
8:01 a.m.
New subject: New Comp in Old Cloth
Hi,
Brian Chase <vaxzilla(a)jarai.org> said:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
Get your own back - put your Amiga 1200 in a PC-type tower case...
http://www.powerc.com
Sorta like that guy who put a Model A engine in a Pinto...
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
Take a look at:
http://www.retrosystem.com
A guy fitting actual Intel boxes into VCS, NES or Amiga 1000
cases (at the moment only the Amiga is available).
Why would anyone want to downgrade such lovely old computer systems
with Intel gear? What a shame.
11:40 a.m.
New subject: New Comp in Old Cloth
Stan Barr wrote:
Get your own back - put your Amiga 1200 in a PC-type tower case...
"The future should have been like this.."
Hi,
Brian Chase <vaxzilla(a)jarai.org> said:
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
>
> > Take a look at:
> > http://www.retrosystem.com
> > A guy fitting actual Intel boxes into VCS, NES or Amiga 1000
> > cases (at the moment only the Amiga is available).
>
> Why would anyone want to downgrade such lovely old computer systems
> with Intel gear? What a shame.
"The past was never like this." :)
http://www.powerc.com
Sorta like that guy who put a Model A engine in a Pinto...
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
I know. What a rip.
6:12 a.m.
Perhaps I'm confused. I may have been told
"Synertek" by someone at
work, c. 1984, and they might have meant Signetics. I _do_ have some
68000 chips with a "block S" logo... would that be Signetics, then?
Sounds like Signetics.
Those are still relatively uncommon. Motorola parts are obviously
the most common, perhaps followed by Rockwell and Hitachi.
Anyone know whether Hitachi ever shipped their HD63000? That was to be
a CMOS version of the 68000 that would have predated the Motorola MC68HC000.
I heard somewhere that Mostek alone of the second sources had a license
to make the 68020, but I don't think they ever did.
29 Jul
29 Jul
7:22 p.m.
"Ross Archer" <archer(a)topnow.com> said:
I have some Synertek NMOS 6502s from various weeks
in 1984, still in their (original?) Synertek static tubes.
(At least, "Synertek" is stamped on the tubes.)
Ooh! That'll be good
to up the value on Ebay a few dollars... Let's see...
L@@K!!!!! R@RE!!! SYNERTeK Sy6502 ***IN MANUFACTURERS PAKAGING*** ***NR***
:-) :-) :-)
A few "boy are these stupid" questions:
1. Does anyone have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to
share with the group? All I know about them is they made
the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe
to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :)
I think I've got some
e-mails from a guy who used to work for them. From
memory, Synertek were a Honeywell subsidiary who signed a license with MOS
Technology to second-source the 6502. MOS used the part numbers "MCS6502"
and "MPS6502", Synertek used "SY6502".
30 Jul
30 Jul
3:54 a.m.
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Philip Pemberton wrote:
Synertek 6502's are very common in Apple //e's. I was just working on one
yesterday that had a SY6502.
I would also call it a "find" but it's nothing special. A tube of common
6502's does not make me moist.
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1. Does anyone
have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to
share with the group? All I know about them is they made
the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe
to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :)
I think I've got some
e-mails from a guy who used to work for them. From
memory, Synertek were a Honeywell subsidiary who signed a license with MOS
Technology to second-source the 6502. MOS used the part numbers "MCS6502"
and "MPS6502", Synertek used "SY6502". 2. Is this a
"Find" in any sense? (I paid all of 30 cents
each for them.) My motivation is to have enough replacement
parts to keep all my 6502-based hardware humming for years
to come. Though in this case I have several lifetimes' worth.
:)
I would call it a find. How many have you got? Would you be interested in
selling me a few? 
6:54 a.m.
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5:15 p.m.
Philip Pemberton wrote:
Yup, all 90 are marked SY6502. Honeywell? Wonder if my Honeywell
thermostat
still uses a 6502 core. :)
I've got 90. If you only want a few, I can forget about the 30 cents
each and
just go for shipping. I can also hook you up with CMOS 65C02s for about
$7 each, via Jameco, if I'm going to be shipping stuff to you anyway.
With Jameco, sometimes you get a WDC65C02 (14 Mhz), sometimes
Rockwell 65C02 (2 Mhz I think). So far nothing as old as 1984 though!
I recommend at least one CMOS version since some code is written for
the 65C02, as you're no doubt aware. Daryl Rictor's SBC2 board (I've
built up 5) is one example. (What a nice board, by the way!)
Nope, looks like it's been in some sort of dry warehouse all these
years. Aside from
some dust on the outside of the tubes and the date codes, I could be
fooled into thinking
these babies came right off the assembly line last week. :)
Oh, okay. I guess I could offer to test them if and only if they want
me to.
I plan to keep quite a few for myself, but 90 is so ridiculous that I'll
be happy
to help out homebuilders like Philip with onesey-twoseys basically at
shipping.
Maybe later I'll ask for a buck each or something.
"Ross Archer" <archer(a)topnow.com>
said:
Hehe, you're imitating the inimitable E-bay style perfectly. :)
I have some Synertek NMOS 6502s from various
weeks
in 1984, still in their (original?) Synertek static tubes.
(At least, "Synertek" is stamped on the tubes.)
Ooh! That'll be good to up the value on Ebay a few dollars... Let's see...
L@@K!!!!! R@RE!!! SYNERTeK Sy6502 ***IN MANUFACTURERS PAKAGING*** ***NR***
:-) :-) :-)
A few "boy are these stupid" questions:
1. Does anyone have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to
share with the group? All I know about them is they made
the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe
to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :)
I think I've got some e-mails from a guy who used to work for them. From
memory, Synertek were a Honeywell subsidiary who signed a license with MOS
Technology to second-source the 6502. MOS used the part numbers "MCS6502"
and "MPS6502", Synertek used "SY6502".
From what
I've read, there were three licensees for the 6502 -
MOS Technology - later
bought by Commodore to become Commodore
Semiconductor, logo changed to ugly Commodore chickenhead logo
Synertek (see above)
Rockwell - I've got a full set of d-sheets for their parts.
2. Is this a "Find" in any sense? (I
paid all of 30 cents
each for them.) My motivation is to have enough replacement
parts to keep all my 6502-based hardware humming for years
to come. Though in this case I have several lifetimes' worth.
:)
I would call it a find. How many have you got? Would you be interested in
selling me a few?
3. Is there any reason to fear that these chips
will "go
bad"
at any significant rate as they age? Is there any way I
could
store them (reasonably, I mean, no vaccum or outer-space
suggestions, please. :) to maximize their lifespan?
They should be fine. If they've been drenched, expect some pin corrosion.
Any corrosion on the pins can be removed with a bit of contact cleaner.
My plan is to come into work some evening and suit
up with
the full anti-static treatment at an EMI bench with my
little
SBC (retrofitted with a 40 pin ZIF socket to avoid bending
their machine-straight little legs), and test them all in
rapid-fire succession. Is there anything inherently dumb
about powering them up?
They'll lose their "L@@K R@RE UNUSED" status, reducing the value by a
few
cents a piece :-)
Later.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com
http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/
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