test-drb November 1999

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OT: A Unix question (the TALK function).....

by arfonrg＠texas.net

Well, TALK is an old command so, maybe it's not off topic.... Can anyone tell me what's going on... When I "talk wolf(a)hera.dominion.net", it SEEMS to make a connection then I get "[Checking for invitation on caller's machine]" and it sits there... mocking me. (Stupid machine). Talk works fine when myself and the person I am trying to contact are on the same machine. What is the deal? A ---------------------------------------- Tired of Micro$oft??? Move up to a REAL OS... ######__ __ ____ __ __ _ __ # #####/ / / / / __ | / / / / | |/ /## ####/ / / / / / / / / / / / | /### ###/ /__ / / / / / / / /_/ / / |#### ##/____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_____/ /_/|_|#### # ###### ("LINUX" for those of you without fixed-width fonts) ---------------------------------------- Be a Slacker! http://www.slackware.com Slackware Mailing List: http://www.digitalslackers.net/linux/list.html

24 years, 10 months

E.U.N.U.C.H.

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

Mineral oil has been done; check out the Dr. Ffreeze project (with pictures) at: http://www.accsdata.com/drffreeze/Default.htm Cheers, Mark. -----Original Message----- From: Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 1:41 PM Subject: Re: E.U.N.U.C.H. >How about submerging the whole MB in a container of Mineral oil or >anti-freeze with a circulation pump? Is anti-freeze conductive? I'd like >to try that! > >

24 years, 10 months

Help identify a 'luggable'

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Any Compaq stickers on ROM chips? 8088 Processor? Compaq Logo posted on boot? or Compaq BIOS message? It can't be that clean!! Their original video card which did either color or mono should also have Compaq Specific ROM stickers.and Perhap Paradise Palm Tree logos etched on the card. FCCID labels on the Main Board should be tracible to Compaq. Compaq was very proud to have Clean "Compatible" Bios I was the Owner of Luggable Serial # ??000029. I should have my manuals somewhere. Power supply was the weakness early luggables had. Does it power up? -----Original Message----- From: Mzthompson(a)aol.com [mailto:Mzthompson@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 3:36 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Help identify a 'luggable' I am trying to help someone identify a machine. They believe it is a Compaq 'luggable', but the name plates have been removed. Following is some info. I realize it is not much to go, but if anyone has some insight, I would appreaciate it. Mike *outside dimensions width 19", length 17", height 7 1/2 " * keyboard has spiral cable from back right of keyboard to main case, and has sliders that move toward center of back of kb to unlock *monitor is 'orange', left edge is 3 5/8 inches in from left outside right edge is 11 1/4 " from left outside * power/reset push buttom is near bottom of front panel, center 6 1/2 " >from right side, center measurement * opening for diskette drives ( a 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 ) has left edge 6 5/8 inches from right side * there are apparently nameplate 'places' at back left of keyboard top left on from panel * keyboard has 3 red lights at back left labeled ( left to right ) caps lock num lock scroll lock * on the left side ( looking from the front ) is a sliding door with access to end of circuit boards inside for plugs a rocker switch labeled - MONO RGB * on right side door fan power switch socket for AC power cord

24 years, 10 months

IBM 9370 Mainframe Specs?

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

There is an IBM 9370 Mainframe coming available in my area, and I'm considering acquiring it (never had my own mainframe to play with). I haven't been able to find much on the Web about this family of systems. Can anyone point me to some info or confirm/deny the following facts: System produced: circa 1986 - 1988 Intended market: "departmental mainframe", 20-100 users Operating system: VM/SE Dimensions: Refridgeratorish Weight: 300 lb racks; 200-300 lb processor assembly; drives ??? Typical peripherals: DASD drives, high-volume, heavy printers (500 lbs +), tape drives, PS/2 consoles Networking: ASCII subsystem for terminals, Ethernet? Power and Cooling requirements: 3 phase power (240 V)?? I suspect that this system will be too large for my available space; is anyone else in or near Western Canada interested in the system in whole or in part? Thanks for any help. Mark Gregory

24 years, 10 months

Help identify a 'luggable'

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

I am trying to help someone identify a machine. They believe it is a Compaq 'luggable', but the name plates have been removed. Following is some info. I realize it is not much to go, but if anyone has some insight, I would appreaciate it. Mike *outside dimensions width 19", length 17", height 7 1/2 " * keyboard has spiral cable from back right of keyboard to main case, and has sliders that move toward center of back of kb to unlock *monitor is 'orange', left edge is 3 5/8 inches in from left outside right edge is 11 1/4 " from left outside * power/reset push buttom is near bottom of front panel, center 6 1/2 " >from right side, center measurement * opening for diskette drives ( a 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 ) has left edge 6 5/8 inches from right side * there are apparently nameplate 'places' at back left of keyboard top left on from panel * keyboard has 3 red lights at back left labeled ( left to right ) caps lock num lock scroll lock * on the left side ( looking from the front ) is a sliding door with access to end of circuit boards inside for plugs a rocker switch labeled - MONO RGB * on right side door fan power switch socket for AC power cord

24 years, 10 months

Jumper settings for TEAC FD235HF p/n 19307322-17

by Sid.Payne＠radisys.com

Do you have jumper setting descriptions for this ? H-HO OP LHI HHI

24 years, 10 months

Computers and other hardware containing the 8008 microprocessor

by jlewczyk＠his.com

Hi, I'm trying to compile a list of computers and other hardware that contained the venerable Intel 8008 microprocessor. So far this is the list of 8008 based computers that have been made aware of: 1973 "Micral" by R2E (later merged with Bull) Made in France 1973 "Intellec-8" by Intel (development system) 1974 "Scelbi-8H" by Scelbi Consulting (kit and assembled) 1974 "Mark-8" by Jon Titus in Radio Electronics 7/74. Plans and PC boards only. 1974 "008A Microcomputer Kit" RGS Electonics. Plans and all parts, except cabinet and assorted hardware. ? PopTronics (Popular Electronics?) <-- Does anyone know anything about this? What issue would it have been in if it was in that magazine. ? Homebrew systems. I'll compile a list of people who have made these if they want to go public :-) Got a picture? I'd like to also compile a list of other 8008 based machines - one where the 8008 was an embedded controller. If you have any info, such as manufacturer, model number, date of introduction, etc. please let me know. ? Terminal (Not Datapoint I understand, perhaps Beehive?) ? Front panel of a PDP-11? computer ? Instrument Test equipment ? Pinball Machine ! Datapoint 2200 (architecture was the model for the 8008, was built using LSI, not an 8008) Can you contribute anything to this list? I'll post it on my web site and hope to catch comments, add facts to it. Post to the list or to me if you'd like. Thanks! John Lewczyk jlewczyk(a)his.com www.his.com\jlewczyk

24 years, 10 months

Dont want to start a flame war here but

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Just curious. What motivates someone to collect old minis and mainframes?? <I can see it being nice to look at for a while, but something as big as a m <very cumbersome to have around the house (let alone an apartment). And wha ..... Well my largest is the 8F maybe one of the VAXen. The S100 crates do weigh in though. Seriously, I use the S100 z80 systems for 8085/z80/804x/8051/1802 development actively. There are somethings that a emulator on a PC will not prove out. The PDP-11s are active machines for expeimentation with older IO cards some sound stuff and a robust os. Vaxen 3100s and MVIIs, I like VMS and it's reliability. I keep them active and plan to replace the @#$%^&&! PC with something I can eventually run a 24x365 connection to the net. the PDP-8 and DECMATE-III are for PDP-8 programming and hacking. Of all the machines these do get less than an hour a week on average. Lack of mass storage on the 8F partly to blame. Still it's convenient and has a front pannel so I'll turn it on and run Acc inchworm or try a few dozen bytes of code just because. Core is nice for that. None of these are mainframe class but, if you add them all up including the SBCs (all the working hardware that is) there are more than 30 systems. Practical use... They are all practical, speed often is not a consideration and in some cases they do ok for themselves. Unlike old cars and the like using them is good for them. Allison

24 years, 10 months

Dont want to start a flame war here but

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Bruce, I have a MicroVax I I have been able to communicate to it using a terminal emulator into one of its serial ports. I believe it has VMS 4.X? loaded, But it has been too long since I last had it running. I was able to list devices, But now I forget the login process. I have always wanted to get more mainstream with a version Unix for this Box. What can you tell me of freeBSD Unix? What is it's distribution media? This unit has the 5.25 floppies, which I dont recall ever being able to boot (Only because I don't know VMS, nor do I know what programs or utilities I have on Floppy that are "Bootable"). Where do I start? Learn VMS or Learn hardware requirement for, and get FreeBSD? Hardware is rock solid. Sincerely Larry Truthan -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Lane [mailto:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 9:41 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Dont want to start a flame war here but At 23:21 15-11-1999 -0500, somebody wrote: ><Just curious. What motivates someone to collect old minis and mainframes?? ><I can see it being nice to look at for a while, but something as big as a m ><very cumbersome to have around the house (let alone an apartment). And wha <snip> You seem to be under the mistaken impression that all minis and mainframes are huge monsters. While this may be true of most mainframes, and some minis, there are many that are not much bigger than a large tower PC. My reasons for collecting the beasties are, like Allison's, a mix of practical and a dislike of modern "commoditized" hardware that seems to be built specifically not be reparable at the component level. I have here mostly MicroVAX, MicroPDP, and some Sun SPARCs (not quite classics yet -- give it another year or so). The MicroVAXen run NetBSD (a free Unix OS) exceptionally well, are built like the proverbial tank, and are readily reparable in the rare event that something goes flooey. I have one MV III that will become my news and FTP server. Once NetBSD 1.5 gets released, it is likely that either one of my 3100's or the DECStation RISC box I have will become a mail server. Web will be handled either by another MV III or a Sun box. I've yet to decide for certain. The MicroPDP's I have are idle at the moment. I want to find a decent Unix load for them. Failing that, I will probably trade them off to one or more of my fellow list members for other goodies. Others have asked me why I don't just go with a bunch of PCs running Linux. The answer is 'Robustness.' While some PCs have gotten much more reliable, hardware-wise, I've yet to see any such system that's built to the same standards as the DEC hardware. Even Sun, in many cases, makes use of more plastic than I'd usually prefer to see. Technical and design excellence is a top priority with me, even if it costs a little more to use or the rest of the world has abandoned it. Case in point: My cellphone is an older Motorola 'flip' style, one of their first-generation digital TDMA units. It only works digital on AT&T's network, hasn't been manufactured for several years, and lacks the fancy LCD and whizzy features of the modern units. HOWEVER -- it's built very well, and it fits my hand and face far better than any of the "toy" cellphones being pushed by the resellers. BTW, off-topic, but if anyone knows of a "sports" or "rugged duty" cellphone, I'd sure like to hear about it. None of the "smaller and lighter" craze units I've seen even come close. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

24 years, 10 months

Dont want to start a flame war here but

by mrdos＠swbell.net

I collect because it's fun, and useful. I still type papers and reports on my old Apple IIe. I love restoring computers that are in less than good condition. Right now I'm restoring an old Altos. Its in awful shape. I have to replace 3/4 of the ICs, a lot of the capacitors, and maybe even find/build a new power supply. But I'm looking forward to it, not dreading it. I have a computer in almost every room of the house. Everywhere you look you see a Nova, TRS-80, System/3x, and everything else you can think of. It really is fun. And there are a lot of collectors who would agree with me.

24 years, 10 months

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