test-drb November 1999

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by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Would you take my PDP-8I for ? > > >--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >> LOOKING FOR AN RM08 or..... >> >> Would be willing to trade me a transistor peripheral(s)for a major piece of >> equipment like a PDP-8I... >> >> I am looking for any of these transistor peripherals: > >I don't have a *one* of those... I do have a couple of DF-32 (w/DS-32) systems I have two too! Can't wait to solve the head crashing problem.... I have a drum memory unit for my PDP-15 but nothing like that for an 8 or 8/s. Aside >from acoustic memory, I find drum memory is the coolest device to run. >which I want to hang onto long enough to re-check out (now that I know lots >more about them) and at least one PA-60, which is, IIRC, some kind of printer >driver for newspaper-type printers. Never heard of it.. > >Good luck dredging up that antediluvian hardware. You seem to have had quite >a lot of good luck lately. Not really. I just usually scrapped this kind of stuff and jumped on Honeywell/PDP 11s/HP minis. I always thought 8s were junk (well.....)... This spring things were getting slow in mini requests so I started scrapping a lot of good stuff.. even a lot of PDP-8 boards (I mean a lot)... I didn't know about this list/ebay 6 months ago and I suspect most computer collectors/restorers still don't. I am going into three more plants before February filled with only really old DEC/IBM stuff... One site had quite a few DECTape drives I will be grabbing. Usually, most *old* steel factories I go into have a really old mini (pre '68) hidden in a room somewhere... I am hoping for more transistor peripherals from my 8. At least 1 Straight-8 has been found at one of the sites but I already have that sold to someone (less the peripherals of course :-) ) Good luck with your minis! john > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >

25 years, 1 month

IBM 9370 Mainframe Specs?

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

[9370] > Mainframe? Yeah, I guess it could still be called that because of its > intended application to handle a whole enterprise plus it is a CMOS > implementation of the good ol' S/370 iron. However, its performance was > rather poor compared to IBM's newer AS/400 family launched about the same > time as or just before the 9370. I know that this is not very helpful but I think the 9370 was announced in 1987, since I saw stuff on it during my summer job at IBM that year, and not the previous year. I never saw anything about the AS/400 at that date, nor even during my summer job the following year (although that latter was building cash dispensers, so I was a little out of touch with the rest of IBM) Anyway, at the time I regarded it as a mini-mainframe. Mini because it didn't need a separate computer room (and was advertised on this basis), mainframe because it was still huge and packed full of IBM custom hybrids (which were probably built of IBM custom chips), as well as the 370 compatibility... Philip. This E-mail message is private and confidential and should only be read by those to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, reproduction, modification or publication of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. This message is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. This company therefore disclaims all responsibility and accepts no liability of any kind which may arise from any person acting, or refraining from acting, upon the contents of the message without having had subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this communication in error, or if any problems occur in transmission please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0)2476 425474

25 years, 1 month

Would you take my PDP-8I for ?

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

LOOKING FOR AN RM08 or..... Would be willing to trade me a transistor peripheral(s)for a major piece of equipment like a PDP-8I (mint, running of course) . I also have some major peripherals like the negibus floppy drive (Straight-8,8/S,8-I Sykes 7150 8" floppy), high speed paper tape and DF32 (I will only let the IC versions go). Don't get me wrong, I like the 8I... but I like the 8/S better. I am looking for any of these transistor peripherals: -- Type 451 card reader and control -- Type 451B fast card reader and control -- Type 450 card punch control for IBM Type 523 punch. -- Type 64 (later 645) Mohawk line printer and control -- Type 250 (RM08) serial magnetic drum -- Type 552 DECtape control -- Type 555 dual DECtape transport -- Type 57A magnetic tape control with IBM type 729 drive -- Type 580 magnetic tape system with one transport -- Type TC01 DECtape control for up to 8 TU55 transports. -- Type 251 drum (8-256 tracks, 8 sectors/track, 128 words/sector). -- Type 645 line printer control. -- Type 680 data communications system (allows 64 teletypes). ... well, maybe ;-) -- Type 338 Programmed Buffered Display (vector graphics). -- Type DF08 fixed head disk system -- Type BE01 OEM version of the TC01 (no blinking lights). -- Type BE03 dual TU55 drive for the TC01 or BE01. (I'm never going to know if I don't ask) john

25 years, 1 month

New Finds

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>>I passed one up a couple of weeks ago. Seller was asking 95 pounds, was >>prepared to sell for 80, but no less - she claimed the Windows 95 >>installation on the hard drive was worth that. I told her just what I >>would do if I got a machine with Windows 95 on it... (hint: it involves >>a disk partitioning tool and a Linux distribution kit) >> >>Philip. >> > Are you sure this was a P70 (which usually shipped with 386s) and not a P75 > (which usually shipped with 486 or better processors)? I tried a Win '95 > installation on my 4MB RAM/120 MB HD/386 P70, and from "power on" to "ready > to use" took over two minutes. Trying to open any windows or run any > applications caused a frenzy of drive activity (reading and writing to the > swapfile, I suspect). I can't imagine anyone actually using a P70 running > Win '95. Running Windows 3.11 though, they were decent portables for their > time - nice crisp display, good keyboard. Very capable "get some work done > in your hotel room" computers. No, I'm not sure, but I thought it was a P70. (I wouldn't have bought it for 80 quid even if I had known/believed it had a 486 in.) It was a briefcase-sized thing that stood vertically - the keyboard flapped down (or took off - can't remember) and the plasma panel tilted out a little. As for your performance problems, based on your description of the "flurry of drive activity" I suspect that it would work better with more memory. No, I didn't ask how much memory this thing had. Much as I like plasma displays, I am not sorry I didn't buy this one. Philip. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. Power Technology Centre, Ratcliffe-on-Soar, Nottingham, NG11 0EE, UK Tel: +44 (0)115 936 2000 http://www.powertech.co.uk **********************************************************************

25 years, 1 month

Marks response [ebay reaches new low]

by helicopterman＠webtv.net

hi Mark, thank you for replying to my post. I AGREE WITH EACH STATEMENT YOU MAKE. ================================== on the other hand the bidders are happy. question: what would you do with 12 Univac side panels in 1999? i couldnt bring myself to put them in the dumpster. i have lots of trs-80 stuff in complete condition and i recently sold a kim-1 in mint condition which i purchased new in 75. i can store these smaller units but i could not continue to store the file 0. the file 0 took up 5 or 6 hundred square feet. in the early 90's i had to move from a commercial building to a small apartment. the file 0 weighed several tons:)) i stored it from 72 to early 90's because i loved old computers too. there was no ebay or collectors accessible to me then. i had no choice but to get rid of it like i did. IT BROKE MY HEART TO SCRAP IT. i would gladly have given it free to any purist. frankly though who would have been willing to transport 11 monster cabinets weighing several tons from Louisville to their back porch? i assume you have seen my Univac page where i am trying to save my memories and pictures of the few pieces that escaped the junk yard for interested people. it is at: http://members.tripod.com/~Helicopterman/blank-7.html it cost me 60.00 to have one panel cut into pieces and additional for the documents. at 5.00 per auction i about break even. i am not selling the "featureless" pieces for a profit but only to keep the file 0 memory alive. =====Ed

25 years, 1 month

VAXStation 3100 problems :(

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

I was looking at your message and a few other things came to mind.. I should really condense all my thoughts _before_ writing :) (1) I'd highly doubt the VS2000 graphics board would fit in the 3100.. I tried to check the size of a VS2000 memory board once (since my VS3100's failed and its only got 4 meg now) and it didnt fit, so i'd imagine it would be more or less the same scenario with the video card. (2) I dont know if you'd want to bother running Ultrix on the thing; you could either get a free license of OpenVMS 7.2 (newest version) from http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist, or you could run NetBSD on the system, which I gather runs _very_ well now that SCSI DMA has been implemented in the newest devel kernels. Using either of those routes, you'd at least get something pretty modern... Going back to Ultrix would mean digging up an old version with probably no support at all.. I gather that Ultrix wasnt a particularly great implementation of UNIX, either, however i've never actually used it myself so I guess I can't speak authoritively on the issue. -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

25 years, 1 month

FA (eBay) SBC collection: KIM-1, SYM, TK-80, and... lots of freebies

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Hi everyone I've not been following the list for some time, so please - replies to my personal email at adavie(a)mad.scientist.com I'm preparing for a planned interstate move sometime (as soon as possible), really. Everything must go! My prime reason for writing is to point to my current eBay auction of my Single Board Computer collection - comprising a KIM-1, a SYM, and a TK-80. There's a photo with the description, and if you're interested, the URL is... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=202377636 As I'm trying to cut down on the amount of stuff I'll have to move, I'm offering FREE to any worthwhile home some of the following... PDP 11/23PLUS, with assorted disk packs, monitors, tapes, etc. XEROX (unknown model) various interesting old computers, tapes TRS-80 Colour computer in original box. ... and lots more, really. I do have some machines which may be up for sale - or trade - please write to me if you would like notification of when I will get to these. These include Exidy Sorcerer lot (don't panic, Doug). - including 2 sorcerers, several disk drives, and hundreds of floppies. Australian Microbee computers (lots). (possibly) a Dulmont Magnum (possibly) a Datanumerics DL-8A Creativision with BASIC cartridge, tape unit. Hanimex Pencil II Sharp (sorry, model unknown - its buried in the garage) - takes magnetic bubble memory cartridges; of which I have a few. Tradewise, I'll be looking for a Hewlett-Packard HP-65 calculator, in particular. When I say (possibly) this means I basically know these machines are unique, and they're worth a lot to me. But, money is needed for the move. So... I'm based in Sydney (Australia). Anybody caring to drop in will probably leave with lots of interesting old junk! I have a heap of books/magazines, including technical documents for some interesting machines, such as the Microbee. Basically, I'm a pack-rat (aren't we all?) but have decided I really need to simplify my life. I hope this finds you all well, and enjoying your collecting! Cheers A -- Andrew Davie adavie(a)mad.scientist.com // adavie(a)comcen.com.au // adavie(a)bde.com.au Museum of Soviet Calculators http://members.xoom.com/adavie/soviet.html Slide Rule Trading Post http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/ Java Slide Rule http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/javaslide/javaslide.html

25 years, 1 month

Ebay reaches new low

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>He's been doing this with various pieces of equipment (and I do mean "pieces") >for a while now. I'm not sure, but I think he may be the same guy who was >selling stuff like System/360 control panels, etc, saying "man, you should have >seen the rest of the machine before I scrapped it..". How is this any worse than many institutional and club computer museums, as well as individual collector's collections, which have a CPU but not the disk/tape drives and operating system? I agree, it's a shame, and in the perfect world there'd be a way to run old systems forever, but evidently folks' priorities aren't geared to keeping complete systems. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

25 years, 1 month

Old Computer stuff

by pmarzolf＠juno.com

From: Paul V. Marzolf 2761 Morningside Dr. Salt Lake City, Ut. 84124 Phone: (801) 277 7556 Email: pmarzolf(a)juno.com I don't know what I'm doing here but here it goes. I am looking for new homes for all the old computer stuff I have collected in my 40 years of working in the computer busness. I am a person that don't like to through any think away. I have hardware, books, manuals, magazines, and software. Here is a list of the hardware: ***LIST OF HARDWARE AND DOCUMENTATION*** COMPUTERS --------- 2 LOBO'S MAX80 - 5MHz Z-80B PROCESSOR 64k RAM. CP/M INCLUDED ALL DISK INTERFACE BUILT IN. PLUG IN ANY COMBINATION OF 5 1/4" FLOPPIES, 8" FLOPPIES, AND WINCHESTER DISK. CENTRONICS-TYPE PARALLEL PORT. BUILT-IN CLOCK/CALENDAR WITH BATTERY BACKUP, AND BUFFERED I/O EXPANDER PORT. 1 BOX OF DOCUMENTATION DUAL 8" DISK DRIVES (UNIVAC DRIVES) LOBO 5" HARD DISK DRIVE MONITOR ARC X-TURBO FLIP TOP CASE, 640K 8MHZ MOTHER BOARD, CLOCK/CALENDAR, TWO PAR, 2 SER, GAME PORT, 4 DRIVE CONTROLLER (RIBBON CABLES), 135W POWER SUPPLY, COLOR BOARD(RGB), 83 KEY KEYBOARD, TAXAN 415 MONITOR, THE HEART OF THE ARC X-TURBO IS THE INTEL 8088-2 MICRO-PROCESSOR USED IN THE IBM PERSONAL COMPUTER. TWO 5 1/4' FULL SIZE DISK DRIVES. TWO 5 1/4" HALF SIZE HIGH DENSITY EXTERNAL DISK DRIVES COMPAQ SUITE CASE PORTABLE (INTEL 8088) THE KEYBOARD IS THE LID. HAS BUILT IN MONITOR AND 2 5" FLOPPIES. THE SIZE OF THE CARRY AROUND IS 16" X 20" X 9". OTHER COMPUTER HARDWARE ----------------------- POWER SUPPLY FOR APPLE IIE MICROSOFT Z80 SOFTCARD - A PERIFHERAL FOR THE APPLE IIE WITH CP/M AND MICROSOFT BASIC ON 5" DISKETTE. EMPTY BOX FOR FULL SIZE 5" DISK DRIVE (FOR TRS-80) DUAL 5" DISK DRIVE UNIT 2 - DUAL 8" DISK DRIVE UNITS (UNIVAC) 2 - 8" DISK DRIVES DIRECT/ACOUSTICALLY COUPLED MODEM LEX-12 2 - UNIVERSAL DATA SYSTEMS 103 LP MODEM (ORIGINATE/ANSWER) DIAL PHONE TO USE WITH ABOVE MODEM PRINTERS UNVAC SERIAL PRINTER DOT MATRIX PRINTERS CITIZEN 2000GX PANASONIC KX-P1080i PANASONIC KX-P2023 UNVAC SERIAL PRINTER GORILLA/BANANA POWER SUPPLY HARDWARE. B6 ***BOX 9*** HARDWARE ACCESSORIES -------------------- ELBO ARM FOR COMPUTER. B9 HEAVY DUTY THAT CLAMP ONTO A DESK AND HOLDS A MONITOR AND KEYBOARD. TIP TABLE MONTIOR STAND. B9 3 PRINTER STANDS AND PAPER HOLDER. B9 2 5" DISKETTE TEAR HOLDER. B9 If interested I can send info about the computer stuff. Just ask???? It would be better for me if any response would use my E-mail address to talk to me. Hope someone will be interested. PAUL ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

25 years, 1 month

Famous Bill Gates Harvard ASR33 Clones!

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Famous Bill Gates Harvard ASR33 Clones! >At 06:43 PM 11/16/99 -0500, Dennis Aruta wrote: >> Thanks to all that have an interest in my 3 ASR33's with tape readers >>Since Bill Gates used one in his Dorm Room as an incentive to >>Microsoft, I have decided not to reply to the Firm offers I have received, >>but to place these machines on EBAY for Auction to establish the actual >>value. > >Sigh. > #1 it is unclear if Bill Gates *ever* had an ASR33 in his > Dorm room, that stupid and largely inaccurate TNT movie > not withstanding. > I don't think it really matters if Bill Gates used one. I am sure he used many other things we all use... and possibly things we would refuse to use ;-) > #2 it is unkind to misstate one's intentions, especially > to such a large group. > I think it's called "fishing" for $$$ >Next time please write: > > I'm going to try to squeeze every penny I can out of these > priceless historical pieces, even if it means melting them > down for their copper content. > >Rather than insinuate that you actually care whether or not the person who >gets them will preserve them or not. > >I don't believe there is anything "Wrong" with being cash greedy and >history foolish if you are honest about it.(look at all the money that was >made selling Egyption pyramid artifacts for their gold content!) Just >don't stop by this list and pretend you want them to go to a preservationist. > >Sigh, >--Chuck >

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