Hi Gang:
I'm interested in finding a card reader for my pdp-11 machines.
The CR11 and CM11 models are what I'm looking for - they're a desktop
variety that would work nicely with my current machines.
Anyone out there have one they will part with?
Kevin
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I never learned to like the CBASIC and others of its pseudocoded ilk. The
MBASIC was OK, though, and when it was finally the way you wanted, "it"
could be compiled with BASCOM, which generated fairly decent code, even
assembler if you wanted. It could be linked with output from M80 as well.
You could even generate code with which to band-aid together output from
their (MS) Fortran and COBOL using either MBASIC =>BASCOM=> (object linkable
with L80) + output from compilers => thereby genrating interactive code from
stuff that was originally designed for batch. That was more common than you
might think. It was, after all, customary to scrounge useable FTN and COBOL
>from the guys down the hall. My ex-partner made LOTS of dough using CP/M
and these various compilers to generate useable output from long-obsolete
but still functional code written for the mainframe down the hall. I guess
that's why he got the big bucks. It was not unusual to have the payroll
running on the micro while the figured out why they couldn't make it work on
the behemoth.
Even I was fairly impressed with the selection of stuff Billy and his
buddies turned out!
Dick
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true?
><QBASIC was available for the M9900 from Marinchip for $220, according to
><their ad. It was a compiled Basic, article states you didn't need line
><numbers! Sounds like Microsoft stole from Marinchip, too, since this
versio
><was available in 1981 for the Marinchip 9900 system!
>
>Ah, kids!
>
>Prior to the advent of the PC in 1981:
>
>Qbasic was a MS product befor they became a OS house. They used to be
>heavy in languages and big apps. DRI (AKA CPM) was know for the OSs.
>
>MS offered languages and apps like Multiplan for APPLE (6502), 9900,
>8080/z80, 16032, z8000 and I'm certain I've forgotten a few.
>
>So anywho, Qbasic was the MS answer to C-basic which was a semi compiled
>non line number dependent basic. Qbasic is not fully compiled to native
>machine assembly language. I know this as I still maintain a PC app
>written in Qbasic (as recently as last week)! Qbasic also tried to copy
>the Borland "IDE" <Integrated Development Environment> used the
Turbo<insert
>language here> they had for z80 and later PCs, in that you could edit, run
>interpretively and then compile the working result.
>
>Oh, Qbasic also called runtime subroutines from the library for floating
>point math (and other things too).
>
>Allison
>
>
>
><
><> ----------
><> From: Andy Frueh[SMTP:andyfrueh@hotmail.com]
><> Reply To: ti99(a)theriver.com
><> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:16 PM
><> To: ti99(a)theriver.com
><> Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true?
><>
><> Hmmm...I guess where I'm getting confused is the way it handles floating
><> point...It DOES "do it" but it does it by converting it to an integer,
><> right? I guess that's what non-coprocessor machines must do, too.
><>
><> Oh well, 3 and 4 are still true, and I really dispute this is a "real"
><> story, even if elements of it ARE true. Especially that quote! :-)
><>
><> I don't have the magazine to look this up. Can we get more info on this
><> BASIC?
><>
><>
><> >From: "Yates, Ben" <BYates(a)mobilnet.gte.com>
><> >Reply-To: ti99(a)theriver.com
><> >To: "'ti99(a)theriver.com'" <ti99(a)theriver.com>
><> >Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true?
><> >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:07:34 -0500
><> >
><> >Look in the July/August 81 99'er magazine. Marinchip created a 9900
base
><> >system.
><> >To answer your questions:
><> >The 9900 cannot do floating point in hardware. Neither could the 8088
or
><> >286
><> >without coprocessors. It emulates it in the ROM.
><> >QBASIC WAS a basic that sold for $220 (find it in the above magazine).
><> >
><> >
><> > > ----------
><> > > From: Andy Frueh[SMTP:andyfrueh@hotmail.com]
><> > > Reply To: ti99(a)theriver.com
><> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:02 PM
><> > > To: ti99(a)theriver.com
><> > > Subject: Re: TI99: Is the following true?
><> > >
><> > > 1. Who would name their computer PC/OT given what that means?
><> > > 2. Can't the 9900 DO floating point? Why emulate it?
><> > > 3. When has a governor EVER cared about technology...or publicly
made
><> >such
><> > >
><> > > silly comments?
><> > > 4. The R in RISC means Reduced, not rinkydink
><> > > 5. AFAIK, QBASIC is a MS program, and not something that runs on a
><> 9900
><> > >
><> > > Based on that, I'd guess the following is NOT true. :-)
><> > >
><> > >
><> > > >From: "Yates, Ben" <BYates(a)mobilnet.gte.com>
><> > > >Reply-To: ti99(a)theriver.com
><> > > >To: "'ti99(a)TheRiver.com'" <ti99(a)TheRiver.com>
><> > > >Subject: TI99: Is the following true?
><> > > >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:46:43 -0500
><> > > >
><> > > >from http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/section2_46_5.html
><> > > >
><> > > > <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>>
><> > > >Next: Dear Jim Meadlock... Up: AutoBits Previous: CAD: The Final
><> > > >
><> > > >Marinchip Defeats IBM PC/AT In Benchmark
><> > > >
><> > > >Mill Valley, California, Mayday 1986.
><> > > >John Walker, President of Marinchip Systems Ltd., announced today
><> that
><> > > the
><> > > >Marinchip 9900-based PC/OT (Personal Computer/Obsolete Technology)
><> > > >resoundingly defeated the IBM PC/AT in an intense floating point
><> > > benchmark,
><> > > >even though the PC/AT was equipped with the 80287 math coprocessor.
><> > > >The benchmark was an optical ray tracing program involving primaril
><> > > >floating point computations, including evaluation of trigonometric
><> > > >functions. The Marinchip 9900 PC/OT executed the program in 69.32
><> > > seconds,
><> > > >while the IBM PC/AT took 93.79 seconds to execute the same program.
><> > > >``Our PC/OT executed this real-world engineering program 26 percent
><> > > faster
><> > > >than IBM's much vaunted PC/AT, even though our 9900 processor was
><> > > operating
><> > > >at 2 megahertz, one third the speed of the PC/AT's 80286 CPU, and
th
><> > > fact
><> > > >that the PC/OT was emulating floating point in software instead of
><> >using
><> > > a
><> > > >mathematics coprocessor. This benchmark vindicates our RISC
><> (Rinkydink
><> > > >Instruction Set Computer) architecture, and clearly demonstrates th
><> > > >superiority of our proprietary QBASIC language for scientific
><> > > >applications.'', said John Walker.
><> > > >The IBM PC/AT benchmark was run in Lattice C version 2.14, using th
><> > > ``-P''
><> > > >memory model (large code, small data). The standard Lattice 2.14
><> >library
><> > > >was
><> > > >used. The results calculated by the Marinchip PC/OT and the IBM
PC/A
><> > > >agreed
><> > > >to 15 decimal places.
><> > > >Commenting on the results, California Governor George Dookmayjeun
><> said,
><> > > >``It
><> > > >just goes to show you how a bunch of clean living Californians can
><> beat
><> > > the
><> > > >spit out of those drug-soaked greasy Florida scumbags. Look, I
don't
><> >give
><> > > a
><> > > >flying fork what you quote me as saying, but please spell my
freakin
><> > > name
><> > > >right!''. <<...>>
><> > > >
><> > > >Editor: John Walker
><> > > >
><> > > >
><> > >
><> > > ______________________________________________________
><> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
><> > >
><> >
><> >
><>
><> ______________________________________________________
><> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
><>
><
>
Hey, I was wondering...could any of you folks help me give a value to a
Convergent Technologies workSlate? It has a printer with it...but as of yet
I havent found the power cords....I bought like a truckload of old computer
stuff the other day (the collectors dream man...tons of stuff), that had a
bunch of Sinclair 1000s, boxed 16k ram for the Sinclairs, Boxed TI/99s, and a
bunch of other stuff I havent went through. Anyway, the workSlate was the
only thing I had never seen before! I am really curious about it! I hope to
find the power cords and such and get it to working. But right now, I just
need to know what kind of value it is. Could you help me?
Thanks!
Mark Saarinen
<QBASIC was available for the M9900 from Marinchip for $220, according to
<their ad. It was a compiled Basic, article states you didn't need line
<numbers! Sounds like Microsoft stole from Marinchip, too, since this versio
<was available in 1981 for the Marinchip 9900 system!
Ah, kids!
Prior to the advent of the PC in 1981:
Qbasic was a MS product befor they became a OS house. They used to be
heavy in languages and big apps. DRI (AKA CPM) was know for the OSs.
MS offered languages and apps like Multiplan for APPLE (6502), 9900,
8080/z80, 16032, z8000 and I'm certain I've forgotten a few.
So anywho, Qbasic was the MS answer to C-basic which was a semi compiled
non line number dependent basic. Qbasic is not fully compiled to native
machine assembly language. I know this as I still maintain a PC app
written in Qbasic (as recently as last week)! Qbasic also tried to copy
the Borland "IDE" <Integrated Development Environment> used the Turbo<insert
language here> they had for z80 and later PCs, in that you could edit, run
interpretively and then compile the working result.
Oh, Qbasic also called runtime subroutines from the library for floating
point math (and other things too).
Allison
<
<> ----------
<> From: Andy Frueh[SMTP:andyfrueh@hotmail.com]
<> Reply To: ti99(a)theriver.com
<> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:16 PM
<> To: ti99(a)theriver.com
<> Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true?
<>
<> Hmmm...I guess where I'm getting confused is the way it handles floating
<> point...It DOES "do it" but it does it by converting it to an integer,
<> right? I guess that's what non-coprocessor machines must do, too.
<>
<> Oh well, 3 and 4 are still true, and I really dispute this is a "real"
<> story, even if elements of it ARE true. Especially that quote! :-)
<>
<> I don't have the magazine to look this up. Can we get more info on this
<> BASIC?
<>
<>
<> >From: "Yates, Ben" <BYates(a)mobilnet.gte.com>
<> >Reply-To: ti99(a)theriver.com
<> >To: "'ti99(a)theriver.com'" <ti99(a)theriver.com>
<> >Subject: RE: TI99: Is the following true?
<> >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:07:34 -0500
<> >
<> >Look in the July/August 81 99'er magazine. Marinchip created a 9900 base
<> >system.
<> >To answer your questions:
<> >The 9900 cannot do floating point in hardware. Neither could the 8088 or
<> >286
<> >without coprocessors. It emulates it in the ROM.
<> >QBASIC WAS a basic that sold for $220 (find it in the above magazine).
<> >
<> >
<> > > ----------
<> > > From: Andy Frueh[SMTP:andyfrueh@hotmail.com]
<> > > Reply To: ti99(a)theriver.com
<> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:02 PM
<> > > To: ti99(a)theriver.com
<> > > Subject: Re: TI99: Is the following true?
<> > >
<> > > 1. Who would name their computer PC/OT given what that means?
<> > > 2. Can't the 9900 DO floating point? Why emulate it?
<> > > 3. When has a governor EVER cared about technology...or publicly made
<> >such
<> > >
<> > > silly comments?
<> > > 4. The R in RISC means Reduced, not rinkydink
<> > > 5. AFAIK, QBASIC is a MS program, and not something that runs on a
<> 9900
<> > >
<> > > Based on that, I'd guess the following is NOT true. :-)
<> > >
<> > >
<> > > >From: "Yates, Ben" <BYates(a)mobilnet.gte.com>
<> > > >Reply-To: ti99(a)theriver.com
<> > > >To: "'ti99(a)TheRiver.com'" <ti99(a)TheRiver.com>
<> > > >Subject: TI99: Is the following true?
<> > > >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:46:43 -0500
<> > > >
<> > > >from http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/section2_46_5.html
<> > > >
<> > > > <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>>
<> > > >Next: Dear Jim Meadlock... Up: AutoBits Previous: CAD: The Final
<> > > >
<> > > >Marinchip Defeats IBM PC/AT In Benchmark
<> > > >
<> > > >Mill Valley, California, Mayday 1986.
<> > > >John Walker, President of Marinchip Systems Ltd., announced today
<> that
<> > > the
<> > > >Marinchip 9900-based PC/OT (Personal Computer/Obsolete Technology)
<> > > >resoundingly defeated the IBM PC/AT in an intense floating point
<> > > benchmark,
<> > > >even though the PC/AT was equipped with the 80287 math coprocessor.
<> > > >The benchmark was an optical ray tracing program involving primaril
<> > > >floating point computations, including evaluation of trigonometric
<> > > >functions. The Marinchip 9900 PC/OT executed the program in 69.32
<> > > seconds,
<> > > >while the IBM PC/AT took 93.79 seconds to execute the same program.
<> > > >``Our PC/OT executed this real-world engineering program 26 percent
<> > > faster
<> > > >than IBM's much vaunted PC/AT, even though our 9900 processor was
<> > > operating
<> > > >at 2 megahertz, one third the speed of the PC/AT's 80286 CPU, and th
<> > > fact
<> > > >that the PC/OT was emulating floating point in software instead of
<> >using
<> > > a
<> > > >mathematics coprocessor. This benchmark vindicates our RISC
<> (Rinkydink
<> > > >Instruction Set Computer) architecture, and clearly demonstrates th
<> > > >superiority of our proprietary QBASIC language for scientific
<> > > >applications.'', said John Walker.
<> > > >The IBM PC/AT benchmark was run in Lattice C version 2.14, using th
<> > > ``-P''
<> > > >memory model (large code, small data). The standard Lattice 2.14
<> >library
<> > > >was
<> > > >used. The results calculated by the Marinchip PC/OT and the IBM PC/A
<> > > >agreed
<> > > >to 15 decimal places.
<> > > >Commenting on the results, California Governor George Dookmayjeun
<> said,
<> > > >``It
<> > > >just goes to show you how a bunch of clean living Californians can
<> beat
<> > > the
<> > > >spit out of those drug-soaked greasy Florida scumbags. Look, I don't
<> >give
<> > > a
<> > > >flying fork what you quote me as saying, but please spell my freakin
<> > > name
<> > > >right!''. <<...>>
<> > > >
<> > > >Editor: John Walker
<> > > >
<> > > >
<> > >
<> > > ______________________________________________________
<> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
<> > >
<> >
<> >
<>
<> ______________________________________________________
<> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
<>
<
<Look in the July/August 81 99'er magazine. Marinchip created a 9900 based
<system.
I've always wanted one of their S100 based 9900 cards, it was a nice
16bitter for the time. maybe its the same one.
Besides the 9900 was a very good CISC instruction set and I'd considered it
second to the PDP-11. Of course both are minicomputers (or based on one
ti990).
Allison
Thanks to all that have an interest in my 3 ASR33's with tape readers
Since Bill Gates used one in his Dorm Room as an incentive to
Microsoft, I have decided not to reply to the Firm offers I have received,
but to place these machines on EBAY for Auction to establish the actual
value.
When and if I do this I will e-mail an announcemnet to you. If you are
bothered by this e-mail and do not wish to participate, please reply
and I will delete your address. Otherwise I just may put them instorage
for my GrandChildren! :~)
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--- "Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)uswest.net> wrote:
> Now, if i remember the VS2000 stuff correctly,
>
> Finally, does anyone know what the lowest version of Ultrix that will
> run on this box is?
Since there was both VS2000 and VS3100 stuff here, I'm not sure I'm
answering the right question, but I have personally loaded Ultrix T-2.0
on a VS2000. We got a prerelease version from DEC way back when. I do
not know if Ultrix 1.1 will run on a MicroVAX of any kind (but it will
run on a VAX-11/730 - I used it to attach our company to Usenet before the
great renaming).
-ethan
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--- healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
> > Can anyone please point me at a complete(ish) list of all the various
> > PDP/VAX related DEC handbooks?
> >
> > TIA.
> >
> > TTFN - Pete.
>
> Best list I know of is the list Megan has on her web pages, sorry don't have
> the URL.
I happen to be working on a list this week... it's not *all* the handbooks,
but it's all the ones that _I_ have. I'm about 10% done.
http://penguincentral.com/cgi-penguincentral/dwg?file=docs/data/handbooks.t…
Also... I'm inventorying the two boxes of B-sized prints I found in the attic
this last week (after a six month search!). Neither is exhaustive, but the
first box is at least all listed by the identity of the cover sheet (since
many of the print sets contain entire other prints sets in their own rights).
I'm going through the second box more carefully for the first pass. It's a
good thing I did: I found a ASR-33 test/adjustment document at the back of
something completely different. All I need now is a set of feeler gauges.
http://penguincentral.com/cgi-penguincentral/dwg?file=docs/data/box1.txthttp://penguincentral.com/cgi-penguincentral/dwg?file=docs/data/box2.txt
Before anyone asks, no, I haven't scanned any of this. I do not have access
to an 11"x17" scanner. I wish I did.
The CGI script is just something I whipped up for basic formatting to turn
a comma-separated file into a table with the CGI.pm module in perl. The
greatest perk of my current assignment is that we use OO perl for production
code. I've picked up quite an arsenal of perl tricks over the past six months.
Eventually, I'll be sprucing up the retrocomputing pages at...
http://penguincentral.com/retrocomputing/
... but it's not high on the list of things to do this month.
-ethan
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On Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:48 AM, John Lawson [SMTP:jpl15@netcom.com] wrote:
>
>
> I have been thinkin' lately that perhaps I oughta stick strictly
> to DEC Stuff... and I am trying to reduce the tonnage around here.
>
> So I gets to lookin' at the bee-yoo-tee-full PR1ME mainframe that
> I actually paid to rescue. And it ain't got no DEC logos on it nowhere.
>
I've got a 2550 with a bad CPU. Just wondering if you've got any spare parts laying about?
Thanks,
Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>
