test-drb November 1999

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by edick＠idcomm.com

Well, back about 25 years ago or so, when I was into robotics and things like that, a colleague was telling his wife that "once we get the skin absorbtiveness squared away so we don't end up with lipstick on our drawers, we're going to phase you biological units out completely . . ." Dick -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Dont want to start a flame war here but >> >> > One more thing . . . about those wives . . . I've done >> > pretty well without 'em and prefer it that way, having >> > tried it both ways. >> > >> > The old computer hardware's cheaper, easier to live >> > with, and more forgiving. >> >> Yes, but not as much fun in bed. (Sorry, couldn't resist) > >Well, each to his own, I suppose :-) > >-tony (who has some very odd hardware in his bedroom)

25 years, 1 month

OT: patenting an old year/date concept, to make millions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Jerome Fine replies: >In addition, some of the code in RT-11 in the monitor and elsewhere >rejects a date value with a year value of zero - meaning that 1972 is >considered invalid by that code. This was fixed in RT-11 5.7, it now consistently handles 1972 through 2099, inclusive. >the DATE/TIME hardware clock on the third party board. Any idea >how the 11/93 does the 1999 transition with the now Y2K compliant >firmware update? Look in the NL.MAC source code - the SETUP.SAV window range was chosen identically: .sbttl . Convert clock date to RT-11 format. ; Convert the BCD date read from the clock to the standard RT-11 format: ; ; RT-11 extended date word (RT-11 V5.5ff) ; ; 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 | 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 ; +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ ; |yr xtn | month | day | year-1972 | ; +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ ; 2 bits 4 bits 5 bits 5 bits ; ; ; To support the year extension, clock years of 72..99 can be considered to ; be in the 1900s (since the RT-11 base year of 1972) and years of 00..71 can ; be considered to be in the 2000s. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Effective Speed of 10BaseT

by edick＠idcomm.com

SAMBA is that NETBEUI-compatible protocol used by Windows for Workgroups, isn't it? I've heard a lot of mention of it but no details except that its DOS client is HUGE by comparison with the already large but purportedly MUCH smaller NOVELL IPX+NETX. (about 96K). I'm interested in this because I use a set of DOS engineering tools, since they suit me better and work faster than the Windows version, and are less buggy. I'd LOVE to use DOS 6.2x as opposed to Windows since it tolerates my video drivers. I would have to load the same DOS driver/shell under WIN9x in DOS mode, so the same restrictions apply. Yes, multiple versions of what should be the same driver set is what I remember about the ethernet hookups with various versions of DEC hardware. We didn't get around to the MAC's for a while because nobody believed we could make that work. Finally one guy threw up his hands and hooked it up with hardware he carried in from home. That made for some red faces among the senior types! Dick -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Effective Speed of 10BaseT >>Perhaps you could reduce the number of protocols a bit. It doesn't always >>make a lot of difference, but you never know . . . > >I wish! Let's see, if I want the Mac to talk to VMS I've got to use >AppleTalk, since DAVE (basically Samba for the Mac) and the Samba version >of VMS don't mix. If I want to talk to RSX-11M I've got to use DECnet. >Samba for Windows, since that's cheaper than getting NFS for Windows (why >pay for something I wouldn't really use). Then most systems talk TCP/IP. > >In an ideal world every system would be running TCP/IP and using NFS to >access remote disks, but it's not an ideal world. Good luck finding NFS at >any price for the Mac (don't think you can get it for the Amiga anymore >either), and I've spent the entire evening trying to get the VMS box in >quesiton serving up NFS. > > Zane >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Need a RS232 interface transputer tram

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I need a RS232 transputer tram for a project I am planning on doing. I really dont want to access the PCs serial port due to speed considerations, etc. So does anyone have such a beast for sale?? I dont know what inmos part number it is, but transtech had one called TTM21 and Sundance had one called STM220. Thanks Ram

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Dont want to start a flame war here but

by bill＠chipware.com

> One more thing . . . about those wives . . . I've done > pretty well without 'em and prefer it that way, having > tried it both ways. > > The old computer hardware's cheaper, easier to live > with, and more forgiving. Yes, but not as much fun in bed. (Sorry, couldn't resist)

25 years, 1 month

Samba

by edick＠idcomm.com

That's what I was led to believe also, but it's not true. Even though the ODI driver set is quite a bit bigger than the earlier IPX.com, for every card I've tried out, my threshhold is the required transient area (useable low memory) under DOS 3.22 or 6.22, with all my SCSI drivers, etc, (I can leave out the CDROM stuff) loaded, so I can still use my DOS-based OrCAD for schematic capture, digital simulation, and PCB routing. The PCB router is the crux, since it won't do everything if there's not 600+ KB of available low memory. Not even all the ODI drivers will leave enough space for that. A few of the cards I use will do it though. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 3:38 PM Subject: Samba >> >SAMBA is that NETBEUI-compatible protocol used by Windows for Workgroups, >> >isn't it? I've heard a lot of mention of it but no details except that its >> >DOS client is HUGE by comparison with the already large but purportedly MUCH >> >smaller NOVELL IPX+NETX. (about 96K). >> >Actually, the dos client works with the MS Dos and Windows IP stacks >and it's netbios over TCP/IP. It's the IP stack that's the real issue. >IPX and NETX are real small. Try loading LSL, IPXODI, and the VLMs and >it is more like the microsoft stuff in size 8-(. > >> >> BTW, I've found the real trick of working with Samba (on the Admin side) is >> remembering where the &)# @*^% smb.conf file on a particular machine is! >> >> Zane > >Ain't it the truth... Redid the servers this weekend with 2.6 of Samba. >Now I've got to try to do the domain thing and login scripts for it. > >Bill > >--- > bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org > Three things never anger: First, the one who runs your DEC, > The one who does Field Service and the one who signs your check.

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New Finds

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com <Philip.Belben(a)pgen.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 10:10 AM Subject: Re: New Finds >>> 12. IBM PS/2 model 70 portable (joke) seems to be a 386 with 12 meg HD. >>> Pretty heavy for a portable and only runs with a cord plugged into the wall. >> >> ah yes, the P70. gas plasma display so that's why it can only run on ac >> power. make sure your floppy drive works, there was an ECA about that. they >> seem to sell pretty good around this area, although i have spotted one in a >> computer junk store for $35, i'm holding off for cheaper. When it was new, it >> sold for over $7k. > >$7k? Ouch!! > >I passed one up a couple of weeks ago. Seller was asking 95 pounds, was >prepared to sell for 80, but no less - she claimed the Windows 95 installation >on the hard drive was worth that. I told her just what I would do if I got a >machine with Windows 95 on it... (hint: it involves a disk partitioning tool and >a Linux distribution kit) > >Philip. > > Are you sure this was a P70 (which usually shipped with 386s) and not a P75 (which usually shipped with 486 or better processors)? I tried a Win '95 installation on my 4MB RAM/120 MB HD/386 P70, and from "power on" to "ready to use" took over two minutes. Trying to open any windows or run any applications caused a frenzy of drive activity (reading and writing to the swapfile, I suspect). I can't imagine anyone actually using a P70 running Win '95. Running Windows 3.11 though, they were decent portables for their time - nice crisp display, good keyboard. Very capable "get some work done in your hotel room" computers. I know several people who have added MCA SCSI cards to the internal expansion slot, and use their P70s as portable SCSI device testers. Cheers, Mark.

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Dont want to start a flame war here but

by edick＠idcomm.com

This is actually quite realistic! I was once given an IBM690 with tons of equipment associated with it, the most interesting feature of which was that in addition to doing a little computing on compilers of the generation on which I did my first work, it would keep my horses (since the barn was the place where I had the 3-phase power) nice and warm all winter. More recently I had an opportunity to snag a complete 9370 setup with nearly a TB of (IPI ... yechhh!) disk farm. I would have preferred they blow it along with the rest of the building, though. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Innfogra(a)aol.com <Innfogra(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Dont want to start a flame war here but >In a message dated 11/15/99 1:16:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, >rmeenaks(a)olf.com writes: > >> And what >> pratical use does it serve running it at home anyway??? > >They make great heaters. I won't turn on the house heat till late December. > >Paxton >Portland, Oregon

25 years, 1 month

Dont want to start a flame war here but

by edick＠idcomm.com

One more thing . . . about those wives . . . I've done pretty well without 'em and prefer it that way, having tried it both ways. The old computer hardware's cheaper, easier to live with, and more forgiving. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Ram Meenakshisundaram <rmeenaks(a)olf.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 2:18 PM Subject: Dont want to start a flame war here but Hi, Just curious. What motivates someone to collect old minis and mainframes??? I can see it being nice to look at for a while, but something as big as a mini is very cumbersome to have around the house (let alone an apartment). And what pratical use does it serve running it at home anyway??? I see a lot of posts about collectors having paper tapes, reels, card readers, etc, but how often does one really use it or even turn it on. I would imagine that it probably sets idle for about 95-99% of the time and most people would turn on a PC instead. I have a SUN IPX and a PC. I rarely turn the SUN on, but I keep it around to do some practical UNIX programming on a real UNIX box instead of linux, freebsd, etc. As I said, I dont want to start a flame war or anything, just curious thats all...... Ram PS: If I started to collect stuff like that, my wife will throw me out of the house. She already complains about my transputer equipment... -- ,,,, /'^'\ ( o o ) -oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------- | Ram Meenakshisundaram | Senior Software Engineer | OpenLink Financial Inc | .oooO Phone: (516) 227-6600 x267 | ( ) Oooo. Email: rmeenaks(a)olf.com ---\ (----( )-------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/

25 years, 1 month

Dont want to start a flame war here but

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/15/99 1:16:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, rmeenaks(a)olf.com writes: > And what > pratical use does it serve running it at home anyway??? They make great heaters. I won't turn on the house heat till late December. Paxton Portland, Oregon

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