Be glad you don't have to deal with this kind of thing:
http://everist.org/pics/misc/20200719_6831_wet_tapes.jpg
A bunch of PDP 8 system tapes. That were literally soaking in liquid water when recovered.
Yes, that is mildew. They are nearly dried out now.
Still to be determined if they can be manually teased apart intact enough to be read.
After deciphering what they all are, from remnants of the labels and a paper list that
was with them.
Hopefully these are already online somewhere. If not, then a lot of work to recover.
The DEC mag tapes... sigh. Still not even thinking about them. Just slow drying.
Guy
I came across an Allen-Bradley 1771-DMC4 Control Coprocessor. If you are
familiar with AB PLC's, it is a 1771-IO chassis module that could be a
"sidecar" for a PLC5 PLC or a standalone module.
It runs some version of OS-9/68k on a 68340 processor. It has 4MB static
ram and a 10MB ethernet AUI connector. I hooked up a terminal and can get
to an OS-9 prompt. It has by default a 64k RAM disk that is empty. The best
I can gather is that there was an external IDE (AB 1771-PCB PCbridge) that
was used to create programs that were loaded onto the RAM disk. Once
configured it would run standalone.
Microware is still around in some form so OS-9 is not completely dead and I
did find some references to a Microware product called PBbridge. It would
be interesting to experiment with.
I am curious if anyone has any experience with this hardware, with the IDE
or OS-9/68k in general. I've never seen much discussion of OS-9/68k on
classicmp.
Hi all.
I was wondering if there are any good online resources on reading for the
purpose of archiving 8-bit papertapes of unknown origin. I have been
reading tapes as text and also as binary, 8/n/1 thinking that's going to
capture everything. I load into a hex editor, and if necessary convert to
octal.
I am wondering if there any persons who have a systematic process they'd
like to share for this kind of work. I will share the tapes I have with the
community, but there is no point if I am not doing it right.
Thanks
Bill
My neighbor has an empty DEC Alpha server cabinet she'd be happy to give
up, for free.
It's a 2100 series, model 5/250. She's in Durham, NC. Anybody interested?
Richard
Once you've put your soul at ease regarding use of pakgen, and found a
copy, and built it (it is a C program), you might find the following
repository streamlines the process of application.
https://github.com/athornton/yarr
I was looking for an old post on comp.lang.forth, and was surprised to discover that the group doesn't appear to be hosted on google groups any more.? Searching the group pulls up a "banned group" message, and selecting the "continue to the group" button shows 0 messages in the group.? This appears to be due to spam showing up in the unmoderated group.
Google bought Dejanews years ago, and, as I understand, was the defacto main usenet repository.? Is is all really gone, or just temporarily hidden?? How long ago did this happen?? Is the full comp.lang.forth archive available anywhere? ?
I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP mirrors and gather as much historical usenet content as possible.? Much of the overall content is garbage, but there's some priceless stuff in there, and even more that will become interesting in light of future developments.
Dave
I've got a Morrow Microdecision 3 on the bench and gather it often
shipped with the MD-60 terminal, but for the life of me I can't find
what emulation that terminal uses.
Lacking the native terminal, what emulation should I be using?
Thanks!
Jeff
Greetings. It has been an interesting day. Rather late in the day, a buddy
notified me of a local thrift store that went under, and mentioned there
may be some computers on site up for grabs. Upon arrival, the place was a
mess, but the folks there were friendly and gave me the tour, everything
had to go, the shopkeeper skipped town and left the place full of junk for
the Building owner to clean out.
I found a TRS 80 Model 12, a vga commodore branded monitor, commodore
cassette drive, among some misc 5.25 floppy disks. There may be more, I
need to go back for another sweep in the morning.
The computer is extremely big, taking up an entire kitchen table,rivaling
the space that is taken up on my desk for a pdp 11. I am looking to clear a
space to work on it without dropping parts.
The machine looks to be clean, However i am missing the keyboard.
The machine does not power on or show anything on the screen. I do hear a
high pitched hiss, so there may be some kind of power supply issue. I was
not aware of this model of machine, I am curious if anyone has a spare
keyboard for sale.
I am not familiar with this model, it has 2, 8 inch floppy drives on the
front. I am curious about the format of the disks, would it be possible to
use another computer with an 8 inch drive to make a floppy to start the
machine, or do the drives use an odd difficult format that would be
impossible to write?
http://devindamico.com/Uploads/TRS80M12.jpg
--Devin D.
I'm trying to copy files off my Otrona Attache 8:16 using FastLynx 3.3, but I keep getting an error 708 when trying to push SL.EXE to the Otrona over the serial port. I am wondering if the reason for the error is that the Otrona does not have a C: drive. Therefore, I would like to try to use Assign.com to assign C: to A:, but the Attache version of MS-DOS 2.11 does not include Assign.com. Does anyone have a copy of the MS-DOS 2.11 version of Assign.com they can send me?
Thanks,
Robert Feldman
I intend to restore a pair of boards that used Intel Ceramic Leadless Chip
Carrier (CLCC) parts. Unfortunately the socket covers were tossed when the
boards were scavenged for their chips. The sockets and attached clips are
themselves just fine. eBay item # 252830664338 is an example of this style
of 68-pin socket. Item # 362702811275 is an example IC in CLCC form.
If anyone has a par (or even just one) of these covers lurking in their
odds-n-ends collection somewhere I'm interested in putting them back into
service. Thank you for taking a look!
paul
The LGP-30 has been discussed here (often fondly) a few times so I thought this might be of interest. Adds a bit of fame to the little guy that I wasn't aware of.
I was reading the wikipedia web page on chaos theory and found this passage:
"Edward Lorenz was an early pioneer of the theory. His interest in chaos came about accidentally through his work on weather prediction in 1961.[12] Lorenz was using a simple digital computer, a Royal McBee LGP-30, to run his weather simulation. He wanted to see a sequence of data again, and to save time he started the simulation in the middle of its course. He did this by entering a printout of the data that corresponded to conditions in the middle of the original simulation. To his surprise, the weather the machine began to predict was completely different from the previous calculation. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory#History
Will
Join us on August first for a virtual VCF event!
We can't safely meet in person so we are going to do what we can online.
The good news is that you can tune-in via YouTube and ask questions of the
presenters via email, enabling anybody in the world with a modest Internet
connection to participate.
The event schedule can be found at
http://vcfed.org/wp/vcf-west-event-schedule/ . It will be a long day so
tune in for what you can, and then find the rest available on YouTube
afterwards.
-Mike
As noted, in another reply, the DEC VT-5xx terminal series was mfg. by ADDS.
Boundless Technologies (former ADDS) shutdown sales a few years ago.
They will service & supply parts, as long as inventory of proprietary parts exists.
http://www.boundlessterminals.com/
Boundless Technologies
1916 State Route 96
Phelps, NY 14532
www.boundlessterminals.com
Phone (toll-free): 1-800-231-5445
Phone: 1-315-548-6189
Fax: 1-315-548-5100
CONTACT PAGE: http://www.boundlessterminals.com/support.html
We will continue to service and repair Boundless products at our Z-AXIS facility (Rochester, NY area)
until spare parts are no longer available.
While Boundless expects to maintain their website, in the near future, they HIGHLY recommend that you download ANY Manuals you might need in the future.
http://www.boundlessterminals.com/documentation.html
greg
==
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:36:06 -0400
From: Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net>
To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Broken VT510
I recently brought home a VT510 that has been sitting in my office, rescued from a lab from way back when it was a DEC office (ZKO). Unfortunately, when I plug it in and push the power switch, nothing happens.
Rather than just open it up and poke, I was hoping others here might have some experience with that model. Are the schematics anywhere? Not on Bitsavers as far as I can see. Are other terminals at all similar? The newest schematic I see is for the VT340.
It would be nice to get the terminal working again. Alternatively, a wild idea would be to use the CRT in place of the "screen fungus" infested VR201 CRT I would like to repair. Any chance of that working?
paul
I recently brought home a VT510 that has been sitting in my office, rescued from a lab from way back when it was a DEC office (ZKO). Unfortunately, when I plug it in and push the power switch, nothing happens.
Rather than just open it up and poke, I was hoping others here might have some experience with that model. Are the schematics anywhere? Not on Bitsavers as far as I can see. Are other terminals at all similar? The newest schematic I see is for the VT340.
It would be nice to get the terminal working again. Alternatively, a wild idea would be to use the CRT in place of the "screen fungus" infested VR201 CRT I would like to repair. Any chance of that working?
paul
Mike:
Just looked in more detail at photographs of my
notes in drive box and appears I did verify that
drive motor worked in 1987. Project to get this
drive connected to my C64 got derailed by my
being accepted to medical school a couple of
months after my last interaction with that drive.
Was somewhat surprised to discover that 8" floppy
drive as I thought the Vic20 box had my other
TI99 computer which might have been lost at some
point in last 30 years and multiple moves.
Never had a chance to try reading an 8" PDP-11
floppy in it and no longer have any as all of
them went to Glen Slick in 2008 when he got my
MINC and related hardware. There was an
interesting computer surplus store in Seattle
that I no longer recall name of, but one of
landmarks was a company that sold Buffalo Wipes
nearby. Unfortunately places like this no longer
exist and remember it being crammed full of
various bits of electronics that would have to be
lifted out of way to see what was buried
underneath. Easy to spend a day in there poking
around. Everything was as-is and often just good for parts.
Location you've specified as a means of
transferring drive a good one and a short drive
>from Kamloops and one I like doing but
unfortunately limited to Canadian side of border now.
Did run across a couple of 80486 boards today and
must have played with them as found some 80 Mb
HDD's in same box. One was fully loaded with about 8 Mb of RAM!
Boris
>A lot of the younger collectors are spending
>ridiculous amounts of money on 486 & Pentium
>class machines on assorted facebook vintage and
>retro groups. I don't get it either, but
>everyone has their fetishes and I try not to
>judge. Parted out you can possibly get a couple
>hundred bucks out of a machine if you get lucky.
>
>I personally might be interested in an 8" floppy
>drive, mainly to show my coworkers, some of whom
>didn't know such things existed. I'm also
>vaguely interested in one of the PDP 11/23s, but
>I know it's already been vetoed by my wife
>without even asking. ???? Any VT100-compatible
>terminals in the stash you'd be willing to part with?
>
>I'm down in Seattle, and occasionally get up
>that way while camping, but this year you might
>as well be on the moon. Maybe we could arrange
>to meet on the border near Oroville and Osoyoos,
>and you can throw them across the border.
>
>-mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On
>Behalf Of Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk
>Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 11:36 PM
>To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>Subject: Any interest in "newer" hardware, software?
>
>Have been going through my shop and storage room
>trying to see what can get rid of and wasn't
>aware of how much old electronics and computers
>have accumulated over last 50 years. Should
>note that this process has been at insistance of
>my wife as a lot of these boxes just got moved
>whenever I moved and much of this stuff haven't looked at for decades.
>
>Was about to toss a 1987 box containing DOS 3.3
>but then figured someone might want it. Have a
>couple of XT systems kicking around somewhere
>but in 1987 I'd discovered the Mac and
>considered 68000 processor a far superior
>architecture as it was an easy transition from
>someone who'd spent most of their time
>programming on a PDP-11. Also have early Mac
>software, hundreds of 3.5" disks which are
>primarily taking up space and all of them have
>been copied to HDD's and now run my Mac code
>under Basilisk2 was faster than it used to run
>on my MacIIvx (of which I have a couple).
>
>Also managed to find, in no particular order, a
>couple of C64's, a TI99, ZX81, VIC20 and an 8"
>floppy drive with full documentation that I
>faintly recall buying at a surplus electronics
>place in Seattle. Also found a box of old
>Univac cards which appear to be DTL with
>individual transistors and then go on to having
>DTL IC's as well as some old IBM cards. Used to
>pull transistors and diodes off these to build
>my own circuits 50 years ago. Now, with storage
>being so ridiculously cheap haven't even come
>close to making a dent in the capacity of a 256
>Gb SD card in my Samsung S8 handheld
>supercomputer of which I'm using the camera
>function to create high res images of what I'm going through.
>
>Also have lots of PC motherboards starting with
>XT's and progressing upwards. Never liked 80286
>and so only collected from 80386 and
>higher. Seem to have lots of various parallel
>port adapters, disk interfaces as well as
>parallel and serial port boards. Was planning
>on using these as dedicated processors for data
>acquisition but found that technology progressed
>faster than my getting around to use them and
>it's a lot simpler to either use Phidget's SBC
>with various sensors for environmental
>monitoring or a much less power hungry Parallax
>Propellar chip for more demanding data
>acquisition applications. (Haven't let my wife
>know how many of newer systems I have stashed
>away but they take up way less room than old hardware).
>
>Do also have a couple of PDP 11/23 systems which
>I'll probably have to part with as I haven't
>used then in last 15 years. Also have a number
>of unibus boards which haven't run into yet but
>won't be using them. Lots of old computer books
>as well which would be nice to keep but likely
>have most of documentation in digital form and
>usually back up all important pdf files to separate drives.
>
>The PC stuff is most voluminous and, if there's
>any interest, can post images of what I have on
>my web site. Only components I've tested are
>disk drives of which most work but SCSI drives
>are all old and a number of them didn't take
>kindly to be powered off after running for years
>and being moved from Vancouver to Kamloops.
>
>Boris Gimbarzevsky
I had the same confusion about Mike?s Altair 8800c not being a complete kit, and wondering what it would take to ?upgrade? my Altair 8800 Clone to be a real Altair 8800c a bit more than a year ago. I ended up not finding very much assistance at the time, so I bulled my way through it, and got it done using the info and pointers from Mike?s site.
Another time someone asked about this I posted my experience on the VCF. See this: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?69929-Altair-8800-clone-cost-to-b… <http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?69929-Altair-8800-clone-cost-to-b…>
Mike?s original topic on VCF is here: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?66737-Building-and-Altair-8800-fr…
The bottom line is that you *can* get it done with the info and pointers that Mike provides on his site. He is also reachable on the VCF and also by telephone. He is tremendously helpful and will answer any questions that you may have.
smp
- - -
Stephen Pereira
Bedford, NH 03110
KB1SXE
> On Jul 24, 2020, at 1:00 PM, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
>
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:15:34 +0800
> From: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com>
> To: Greg Beat <gregory.beat at gmail.com>
> Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Altair 8800 reproduction
> Message-ID:
> <CAALEduAsERN897fBN8rDCqt_mN6wHc2J8qSDzYyhfU2CibmiJQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> I saw Mike Douglas' Altair 8800c but he writes on his website that this is
> not a complete kit. I got the impression that he offers only the front
> panel PCBs, FDC and SIO and maybe the S100 motherboard.
>
> Thank you for the link to the S100computers group. There is a lot of useful
> info there.
>
> I am retired now and always wanted an Altair 8800. It is time to make that
> dream reality. The easiest and more affordable path would be the Altair
> 8800 clone but somehow I am more attracted to the non-emulated
> implementation.
>
> Thanks again
> Tom Hunter
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:02 AM Greg Beat <gregory.beat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ?Tom,
>> Grant moved shortly after this Kit offering, over a decade ago.
>> That kit is OVER (Grant no longer offering).
>>
>> Participate in the S100computers Group: http://www.s100computers.com/
>> Join the List at Google Group: S100Computers
>> https://groups.google.com <https://groups.google.com/my-groups>
>>
>> Grant special ordered the metal fabrication, at that time, from the
>> original metal fabricators (Optima, $$), who have gone thru mergers &
>> off-shoring.
>> Mike Douglas looked into that chassis possibility ? but was cost
>> prohibitive (>$300).
>>
>> Mike Douglas offers BOTH the Altair Clone (you referenced) AND
>> the Altair 8800c Kits (November 2018). This case he had fabricated is a
>> close look-a-like, but Lighter in weight. Still the case alone is $300 .
>> This case does not have the internal Optima sub chassis (weight) and rails.
>> ?https://deramp.com/altair_8800c.html
>>
>> Suggest you look at Mike?s multiple vintage computer offerings (web site)
>> AND
>> https://deramp.com/
>>
>> His YouTube Videos (deramp5113). Here is the Altair 8800c, shown November
>> 2018
>> https://youtu.be/Q5LjkL5b4n8
>>
>> greg
>> w9gb
>> ==
>> From: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com>
>> To: "General Discussion? <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>> Subject: Altair 8800 reproduction
>>
>> About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high quality
>> MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists:
>> http://www.altairkit.com/
>>
>> I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know if
>> these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum?
>>
>> Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have
>> found people making individual boards but not a complete kit.
>>
>> There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC microcontroller
>> emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real
>> thing.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom Hunter
>>
>> Sent from iPad Air
>>
I have an IBM 3194 base unit and keyboard, but no monitor. Hence would
like to try and source a suitable monitor and any suggestions on this
front would be appreciated. Failing which, also considering the
possibility of using some other non-original monitor, but not sure what
the interface (15-pin D type, but standard density) is and pinout etc.
Also potentially interested in offers of other 3270 displays (off-list).
Cheers,
Andrew
If it's actually running on real z hardware Linux is probably already
running under z/VM.
If it's running on Hercules, then....OK, but the host system could have
handled the Infocom games without ever even blinking. But I've been known
to do silly emulation tricks too:
https://www.fsf.net/~adam/NT-on-390-desktop.png
Adam
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:40:13 +0100
> From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
> To: "'Dave Wade'" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General Discussion:
> On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>,
> <antonio at acarlini.com>, "'Antonio Carlini'" <
> a.carlini at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
> Message-ID: <00c101d66057$89b6fb20$9d24f160$(a)ntlworld.com>
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>
> I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take
> one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that*
> huge.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Dave Wade via
> > cctalk
> > Sent: 21 July 2020 22:16
> > To: antonio at acarlini.com; 'Antonio Carlini' <a.carlini at ntlworld.com>;
> 'General
> > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> > Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
> >
> > Antonio,
> > Happy to take one. Can collect. Be a nice companion for VAX and IBM P390.
> > Keep hearing of Alphas but nothing has appeared.
> > Dave
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Antonio
> > > Carlini via cctalk
> > > Sent: 21 July 2020 20:58
> > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> > > <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> > > Subject: AlphaServer 2100s available
> > >
> > > I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK
> (Oxfordshire).
> > > The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed
> date).
> > >
> > >
> > > I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be
> > > interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch!
> > >
> > >
> > > I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two.
> > >
> > >
> > > These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm
> > > not sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find
> > > that out soon.
> > >
> > > They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC.
> > > OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them
> > > back to life.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are
> about:
> > > 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are
> > > very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some
> > > effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming
> > > that it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e.
> > > remove PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift
> > > would probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to
> > > their current location.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of
> > > these machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're
> > > sure you understand what you are getting into :-)).
> > >
> > >
> > > Antonio
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Antonio Carlini
> > > antonio at acarlini.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:23:38 +0100
> From: Antonio Carlini <a.carlini at ntlworld.com>
> To: rob at jarratt.me.uk, 'Dave Wade' <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General
> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org
> >,
> antonio at acarlini.com
> Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
> Message-ID: <8eabc8e8-a1d7-c626-e252-7aa7a8f9176a at ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 22/07/2020 19:40, Rob Jarratt wrote:
> > I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take
> one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that*
> huge.
> >
> > Regards
>
>
> Smaller than a VAX-11/780 or? a VAX 6000 or a VAX 7000. So yes, pretty
> small :-)
>
>
> The systems are now all provisionally spoken for. I can still try and
> get some photos etc. of the various innards.
>
>
> Antonio
>
>
> --
> Antonio Carlini
> antonio at acarlini.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:52:14 +0200
> From: 821 at 128.ca
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <89C93C5F-E5DD-448A-80FC-71BA18326F94 at 128.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure games
> on a mainframe
>
> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:19:45 +0000
> From: <Martin.Hepperle at dlr.de>
> To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Looking for copy of BASIC ROM for HP 3396B Integrator II
> Message-ID: <aa1e9dd115a349459386774e391fca93 at dlr.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Recently, I obtained a HP 3396B Integrator II.
>
> This is a device for the chemical analysis laboratory. I had hoped that
> this device contained a BASIC interpreter, but this was not the case.
>
> Through the serial interface I can connect a terminal program. Pressing
> CTRL+BREAK outputs the sign-on message serial interface:
> ~~HP3396,IBLI
>
> Unfortunately, typing "BX" for "Basic eXternal" on the keyboard tells me:
> BASIC NOT INSTALLED
>
> So I am wondering, whether I can install a BASIC by replacing the ROM with
> an EPROM.
>
> According to the "Installation and Service Manual", the ROM U 110 came in
> two versions:
> Z-80 Standard-ROM 03396-80012
> Z-80 BASIC-ROM 03396-80032
> This means that the BASIC is NOT in the cradled EPROM but in the ROM in
> the lower right corner of the PCB.
> My ROM 80013 is probably an revision of 80012.
>
> So: I need a copy of the 03396-80032 ROM chip.
>
>
> Additionally, if someone has the manual "RS232 Programming Manual", P/N
> 03396-90335", for the 3396 integrator. it would be great if he could scan
> the document and make the content available.
>
> [I have the remaining manuals and already sent scans to the HP Museum in
> Australia for making them available o their site.
>
> Main PCB:
> +----------------+ +----------------+
> | PPP EPROM | | U 111 |
> | 27C011-200V10 | | 27C010-150V10 |
> | 03396-80106 | | 03396-80023 |
> +----------------+ +----------------+
>
> +----------------+ +----------------+
> | U 317 | | U 110 |
> | 27128A | | ROM |
> | 03396-80043 | | 03396-80013 |
> +----------------+ +----------------+
>
> Opening the Case
> - remove transparent cover from printer compartment by pressing the hinge
> flaps inside
> - remove 2 screws close to rear edge, from top
> - remove 2 screws in printer compartment from top
> - remove keyboard:
> - keyboard is "hinged" at the front with three rigid noses
> - use a pry tool to open the 3 latches at the rear edge of the keyboard
> plate
> - lift the rear edge and pull the plate back
> - if you are careful, the ribbon cable can stay in place, you can thread
> the keyboard plate through the case opening
> - lift case cover upwards
>
>
>
> Thank you for reading,
>
> Martin
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:37:52 -0700
> From: "Ali" <cctalk at ibm51xx.net>
> To: <821 at 128.ca>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: RE: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <005b01d66067$f9b428c0$ed1c7a40$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> > Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> > Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> > games on a mainframe
> >
> > https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
>
>
> Too popular for its own good. Currently failing due to a lack of memory.
>
> -Ali
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:51:02 +0200
> From: Kevin Lee <821 at 128.ca>
> To: Ali <cctalk at ibm51xx.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <E6B117CD-3917-4E23-93CF-C1B1E66A8B78 at 128.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Well still glad its getting used :)
> cheers
>
>
> > On 22 Jul 2020, at 22:37, Ali via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> >> games on a mainframe
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
> >
> >
> > Too popular for its own good. Currently failing due to a lack of memory.
> >
> > -Ali
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:52:10 -0700
> From: "Ali" <cctalk at ibm51xx.net>
> To: "'Kevin Lee'" <821 at 128.ca>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: RE: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <006201d66069$f8bfa4b0$ea3eee10$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> > Well still glad its getting used :)
> > cheers
>
>
> So am I except I want to use it as well LOL!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:15:57 -0500
> From: Kevin Monceaux <Kevin at RawFedDogs.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <CCTalk at ClassicCmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <20200722211557.GA12684 at RawFedDogs.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote:
>
> > Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> > Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure games
> > on a mainframe
> >
> > https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
>
> What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it running?
>
>
> --
>
> Kevin
> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> http://www.Lassie.xyz
> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> Bruceville, TX
>
> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:50:06 +0200
> From: Kevin Lee <821 at 128.ca>
> To: "Kevin at rawfeddogs.net" <Kevin at RawFedDogs.net>, "General
> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <F033CC41-2932-42B8-9549-DF0ADE4B384E at 128.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Ask the tweet included in the initial posting..
> I have nothing to do with it .. cheers
>
>
> > On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:15, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> games
> >> on a mainframe
> >>
> >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
> >
> > What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it running?
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kevin
> > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> > http://www.Lassie.xyz
> > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> > Bruceville, TX
> >
> > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:34:03 +0100
> From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
> To: <antonio at acarlini.com>, <rob at jarratt.me.uk>, "'Dave Wade'"
> <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and
> Off-Topic
> Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
> Message-ID: <00e001d66078$33eeac30$9bcc0490$(a)ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Well I suppose the important thing is that they have been spoken for.
> Hopefully I will get to see Dave's in action.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Antonio Carlini <a.carlini at ntlworld.com>
> > Sent: 22 July 2020 20:24
> > To: rob at jarratt.me.uk; 'Dave Wade' <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>; 'General
> > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk at classiccmp.org>;
> > antonio at acarlini.com
> > Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
> >
> > On 22/07/2020 19:40, Rob Jarratt wrote:
> > > I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could
> take one
> > too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that*
> huge.
> > >
> > > Regards
> >
> >
> > Smaller than a VAX-11/780 or a VAX 6000 or a VAX 7000. So yes, pretty
> small :-
> > )
> >
> >
> > The systems are now all provisionally spoken for. I can still try and
> > get some photos etc. of the various innards.
> >
> >
> > Antonio
> >
> >
> > --
> > Antonio Carlini
> > antonio at acarlini.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:09:50 +1000
> From: Rodney Brown <rdbrown0au at gmail.com>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: HP3000 Microcode is in SYSDUMP (backup) for WCS machines
> (64,68,70, 37,...)
> Message-ID: <d4f4a716-0271-e089-9937-9c52f3a6380f at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> If written on a Series 64, 68 or 70, or on the Series 37 or it's
> successors,
> the first file on a SYSDUMP (Backup) tape may include the Microcode from
> the
> WCS (Writeable Control Store). Please collect such files if you have tapes
> available that you can read.
>
> Note that the first file includes a concatenation of system objects,
> ending with
> (optionally) the directory so that may leak data that should remain
> private.
>
> It's possible that the distribution tape for MPE V Release 3P G.40 that the
> HP Computer Museum has http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=442
> might
> also include the WCS data. The bootable disc image for the Series 37 and
> it's
> successors will. The Museum website doesn't mention media for their 68.
>
> Thanks as always to Al Kossow for his BitSavers work.
>
> 30140-90045_Series_64_68_70_Microcode_Manual_Oct86.pdf
> has a 543 page listing of the microcode assembly output, which should
> wait for
> better OCR software.
>
> SYSDUMP Format
>
> ? |-------------------------| <--- ENTRY POINT #1 (ROM BASED
> ? |????? CHECKSUM?????????? | 0??? MACHINES)
> ? |? AMIGO CHANNEL PROGRAM? |
> --|??? WCS TABLE PRT??????? | 95
> | |-------------------------| 127
> | |--???????????????????? --|
> | |--?? AMIGO???????????? --|
> | |-------------------------|
> ->|???? WCS TABLE?????????? |
> | |-------------------------|
>
> ...
> G.01.00
> 16- 10
>
> 32033-90010_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.00.00_Sep84.pdf? 16-7? pg 127 in PDF
> 32033-90040_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.01.00_Jan85.pdf? 16-10 pg 133 in PDF
> 32033-91047_MPE_V_Tables_Manual_Oct1991.pdf?? 16-10 pg 146 in PDF
> Descriptions of the WCS Table Format are in 16-13 to 16-15 of the 1991
> edition
> Different formats for the Series 6x/70 and the Series 37, 37XP and 37 Micro
>
> #Capture of Co-Cam's Series 52 final full backup (SYSDUMP @. at .@) in Feb
> 1995.
> (So no WCS table entry)
> # 0 is the first file on the tape, the start of which is documented above
>
> $ od -Ad --endian=big -tx2 0 | head - 40
> 0000000 e0e0 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000
> 0000016 0400 0e41 0180 0002 0501 0000 0000 fff5
> 0000032 0401 0001 0000 0400 0e43 0200 0000 0501
> 0000048 0000 0000 ffea 0300 007e 0440 8000 0200
> 0000064 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407 0001 0000 4400
> 0000080 0e43 0302 0002 0000 0400 0e40 0200 0000
> 0000096 0501 0000 f38d ffd1 0000 0000 0000 0000
> 0000112 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
> *
> 0000176 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001
> 0000192 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
> *
> 0000256 0000 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000
> 0000272 0400 0201 0180 0002 0401 002e 0001 8800
> 0000288 0204 0f07 0000 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000
> 0000304 ffec 0000 fff1 0401 0001 0000 0400 0203
> 0000320 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000 ffdf 0300 0100
> 0000336 0440 8000 0e40 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407
> 0000352 0001 0000 4400 0203 0302 0002 0000 0400
> 0000368 0200 0200 0000 0501 0000 0c02 ffc6 0000
> 0000384 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000
> *
> 0000416 000a 0000 f000 000c 000b 0016 f000 0017
> 0000432 000b 000b f000 0022 000b 0000 f000 0000
> 0000448 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000
> *
> 0000624 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 3238
> 0000640 3333 4120 2020 0000 1820 0000 1000 15d8
> 0000656 2eb4 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
> 0000672 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
> ...
>
> $ head -20 blks/0.blks # tape block sizes in bytes
> 256
> 126
> 256 * 2
> 8192 * 6
> 256
> 8192 * 2
> 256
> 126
> 256
> 8192 * 10
> 256
> 8192 * 10
> 256
> 8192 * 10
> 256
> 96
> 2910
> 80
> 24
>
> $ ls -lh 0
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 rdb rdb 3.5M Dec 12? 2006 0
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:35:33 +1000
> From: Doug Jackson <doug at doughq.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID:
> <CAM_9E60RKe-D8ynRrNL=
> op+HnKvor24cDmtG1JQtn6VSUCGjog at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody did
> ask, and there was no response I could see.
>
> The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker
> containers, so it's not OS/360 :-)
>
> I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another
> linux box.
>
>
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Doug Jackson
>
> em: doug at doughq.com
> ph: 0414 986878
>
> Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com
> Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted
> with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely for
> your own use.
>
> Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have
> been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard.
>
> Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the
> imminent Zombie Apocalypse then the sender bears no personal, legal, or
> moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its usage unless the
> result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes in which
> case the sender takes full credit without any theoretical or actual legal
> liability. :-)
>
> Be nice to your parents.
>
> Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a
> radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you
> happy.
>
> ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally
> sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:50 AM Kevin Lee via cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Ask the tweet included in the initial posting..
> > I have nothing to do with it .. cheers
> >
> >
> > > On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:15, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk <
> > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote:
> > >
> > >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> > >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> > games
> > >> on a mainframe
> > >>
> > >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
> > >
> > > What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it
> running?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> > > http://www.Lassie.xyz
> > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> > > Bruceville, TX
> > >
> > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> > > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:52:14 -0400
> From: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <6ae549f7-011e-8c1b-4858-769d427ba4c8 at alembic.crystel.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Just put up a big pdp11 and be done with it. Hm. Running on Simh a fully
> loaded 11 should handle just about anything the internet could toss at
> it...
>
> C
>
> On 7/22/2020 10:35 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
> > Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody did
> > ask, and there was no response I could see.
> >
> > The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker
> > containers, so it's not OS/360 :-)
> >
> > I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another
> > linux box.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kindest regards,
> >
> > Doug Jackson
> >
> > em: doug at doughq.com
> > ph: 0414 986878
> >
> > Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com
> > Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted
> > with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely
> for
> > your own use.
> >
> > Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have
> > been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard.
> >
> > Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the
> > imminent Zombie Apocalypse then the sender bears no personal, legal, or
> > moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its usage unless the
> > result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes in which
> > case the sender takes full credit without any theoretical or actual legal
> > liability. :-)
> >
> > Be nice to your parents.
> >
> > Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a
> > radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you
> > happy.
> >
> > ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally
> > sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:50 AM Kevin Lee via cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ask the tweet included in the initial posting..
> >> I have nothing to do with it .. cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 22 Jul 2020, at 23:15, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk <
> >> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe!
> >>>> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure
> >> games
> >>>> on a mainframe
> >>>>
> >>>> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1
> >>>
> >>> What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it
> running?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> >>> http://www.Lassie.xyz
> >>> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> >>> Bruceville, TX
> >>>
> >>> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> >>> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
> >>
> >>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:42:58 -0700
> From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
> To: Chris Zach via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID: <5f853e65-1d98-cdca-78c5-1cb9f7c865b2 at sydex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> On 7/22/20 7:52 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> > Just put up a big pdp11 and be done with it.
>
> A PDP11 might be a "mainframe" (personally, I'd call it a minicomputer),
> but in the world of mainframes, it's hardly "big".
>
> FWIW,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:38:20 -0400
> From: David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com>
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished
> Message-ID: <20200722223820.GA4802 at hugin3>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:12:10PM -0400, Chris Zach wrote:
> > Working on it. Question: Was the 67mb drive in a 7300/3B1 a miniscribe
> 6085?
> >
> Yes it was. http://www.pdp8online.com/3b1/drive.shtml
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:54:30 -0400
> From: David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com>
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished
> Message-ID: <20200722225430.GB4802 at hugin3>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:58:01AM -0700, Ian Finder wrote:
> > I may be able to track down floppies for 7300 TCP, if we can confirm it
> is
> > extinct in the wild...
> >
> It may exist but is wounded.
>
> https://archives.loomcom.com/retrocomputing/UnixPC/Install/standardized/eth…
>
> All the 10S disks seem to have been read in a way that only got 9 sectors
> per track so are no good. The ethernet_hardware_diag.dd is bad. The files
> are in multiple locations on this site but any 10S image thats not 404480
> is
> bad.
>
> Manual is here
> https://archives.loomcom.com/retrocomputing/UnixPC/3B1_Docs/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:22:12 -0400
> From: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com>
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished
> Message-ID: <fa6e0648-a9a6-8dd6-36af-42dc43e5d98b at alembic.crystel.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hm. Then I have a dillema. When I popped in the Miniscribe and tried
> booting it started reading the disk then popped out a boot error.
> Possibly a bad sector, but how can I read this disk to find the rest of
> the data?
>
> Hm.... Anyone got one of those Beaglebone/RPI to MFM readers I could
> borrow for a bit to slurp this drive?
>
> C
>
> On 7/22/2020 6:38 PM, David Gesswein via cctech wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:12:10PM -0400, Chris Zach wrote:
> >> Working on it. Question: Was the 67mb drive in a 7300/3B1 a miniscribe
> 6085?
> >>
> > Yes it was. http://www.pdp8online.com/3b1/drive.shtml
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:32:41 -0600
> From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID:
> <35e88690-9ada-e57b-281e-cbfdbfc54d71 at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 7/22/20 8:35 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
> > Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody
> > did ask, and there was no response I could see.
>
> I asked @bmoshix what the system was. I've not gotten a reply yet.
>
> > The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker
> > containers, so it's not OS/360 :-)
>
> I half way expect that it's Docker running on z/OS.
>
> > I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another
> > linux box.
>
> It could be Docker on Linux on Z, but I'd be mildly surprised by that.
> I doubt it's Linux on a more typical system. Though the following file
> name in the dump makes me think it's AMD-64 architecture.
>
> /usr/local/go/src/runtime/asm_amd64.s
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:39:20 +0800
> From: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Altair 8800 reproduction
> Message-ID:
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>
> About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high quality
> MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists:
> http://www.altairkit.com/
>
> I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know if
> these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum?
>
> Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have
> found people making individual boards but not a complete kit.
>
> There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC microcontroller
> emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real
> thing.
>
> Thanks
> Tom Hunter
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 11:09:14 -0400
> From: Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
> To: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com>, "General Discussion: On-Topic
> and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Altair 8800 reproduction
> Message-ID:
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> This comes up from time to time, I don't believe he is making any more
> kits. I have not heard from him for a while.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:39 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high
> quality
> > MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists:
> > http://www.altairkit.com/
> >
> > I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know
> if
> > these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum?
> >
> > Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have
> > found people making individual boards but not a complete kit.
> >
> > There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC
> microcontroller
> > emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real
> > thing.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tom Hunter
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:32:42 -0600
> From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Adventures online
> Message-ID:
> <edc2ecdd-4165-9e36-0e14-4fc3346cc12b at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 7/22/20 11:32 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> > I asked @bmoshix what the system was.? I've not gotten a reply yet.
>
> @bmoshix replied that it's Linux running on a mainframe.
>
> > I half way expect that it's Docker running on z/OS.
>
> So, apparently not Docker running on z/OS.
>
> > It could be Docker on Linux on Z, but I'd be mildly surprised by that.
>
> I'm mildly surprised.
>
> > I doubt it's Linux on a more typical system. Though the following
> > file name in the dump makes me think it's AMD-64 architecture.
> >
> > /usr/local/go/src/runtime/asm_amd64.s
>
> Now I'm more confused as to why asm_amd64.s, something I assume is
> related to x86_64 ~> PC (compatible) is being used.
>
> I wonder if the copies of the games that @bmoshix is running were
> written for a mainframe or a PC (compatible). The latter makes more
> sense with the asm_amd64.s and comments about installing these games on
> a PC.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>
>
> End of cctalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22
> **************************************
>
About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high quality
MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists:
http://www.altairkit.com/
I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know if
these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum?
Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have
found people making individual boards but not a complete kit.
There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC microcontroller
emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real
thing.
Thanks
Tom Hunter
Anyone know the best way to get files off an AT&T 7300/3B1 computer?
This one has a lot of Perq stuff in a directory as well as hilarious
things you can do with RP06 disk platters (ah, when we were young...)
It does have an AUI Ethernet port on the back, but doesn't appear to
have TCP/IP installed. Maybe I can install TCP and find my old Synoptics
10bt to AUI adapter?
CZ
If written on a Series 64, 68 or 70, or on the Series 37 or it's successors,
the first file on a SYSDUMP (Backup) tape may include the Microcode from the
WCS (Writeable Control Store). Please collect such files if you have tapes
available that you can read.
Note that the first file includes a concatenation of system objects,
ending with
(optionally) the directory so that may leak data that should remain private.
It's possible that the distribution tape for MPE V Release 3P G.40 that the
HP Computer Museum has http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=442 might
also include the WCS data. The bootable disc image for the Series 37 and
it's
successors will. The Museum website doesn't mention media for their 68.
Thanks as always to Al Kossow for his BitSavers work.
30140-90045_Series_64_68_70_Microcode_Manual_Oct86.pdf
has a 543 page listing of the microcode assembly output, which should
wait for
better OCR software.
SYSDUMP Format
? |-------------------------| <--- ENTRY POINT #1 (ROM BASED
? |????? CHECKSUM?????????? | 0??? MACHINES)
? |? AMIGO CHANNEL PROGRAM? |
--|??? WCS TABLE PRT??????? | 95
| |-------------------------| 127
| |--???????????????????? --|
| |--?? AMIGO???????????? --|
| |-------------------------|
->|???? WCS TABLE?????????? |
| |-------------------------|
...
G.01.00
16- 10
32033-90010_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.00.00_Sep84.pdf? 16-7? pg 127 in PDF
32033-90040_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.01.00_Jan85.pdf? 16-10 pg 133 in PDF
32033-91047_MPE_V_Tables_Manual_Oct1991.pdf?? 16-10 pg 146 in PDF
Descriptions of the WCS Table Format are in 16-13 to 16-15 of the 1991
edition
Different formats for the Series 6x/70 and the Series 37, 37XP and 37 Micro
#Capture of Co-Cam's Series 52 final full backup (SYSDUMP @. at .@) in Feb
1995.
(So no WCS table entry)
# 0 is the first file on the tape, the start of which is documented above
$ od -Ad --endian=big -tx2 0 | head - 40
0000000 e0e0 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000
0000016 0400 0e41 0180 0002 0501 0000 0000 fff5
0000032 0401 0001 0000 0400 0e43 0200 0000 0501
0000048 0000 0000 ffea 0300 007e 0440 8000 0200
0000064 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407 0001 0000 4400
0000080 0e43 0302 0002 0000 0400 0e40 0200 0000
0000096 0501 0000 f38d ffd1 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000112 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
*
0000176 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001
0000192 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
*
0000256 0000 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000
0000272 0400 0201 0180 0002 0401 002e 0001 8800
0000288 0204 0f07 0000 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000
0000304 ffec 0000 fff1 0401 0001 0000 0400 0203
0000320 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000 ffdf 0300 0100
0000336 0440 8000 0e40 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407
0000352 0001 0000 4400 0203 0302 0002 0000 0400
0000368 0200 0200 0000 0501 0000 0c02 ffc6 0000
0000384 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000
*
0000416 000a 0000 f000 000c 000b 0016 f000 0017
0000432 000b 000b f000 0022 000b 0000 f000 0000
0000448 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000
*
0000624 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 3238
0000640 3333 4120 2020 0000 1820 0000 1000 15d8
0000656 2eb4 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000672 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
...
$ head -20 blks/0.blks # tape block sizes in bytes
256
126
256 * 2
8192 * 6
256
8192 * 2
256
126
256
8192 * 10
256
8192 * 10
256
8192 * 10
256
96
2910
80
24
$ ls -lh 0
-r-xr-xr-x 1 rdb rdb 3.5M Dec 12? 2006 0
Recently, I obtained a HP 3396B Integrator II.
This is a device for the chemical analysis laboratory. I had hoped that this device contained a BASIC interpreter, but this was not the case.
Through the serial interface I can connect a terminal program. Pressing CTRL+BREAK outputs the sign-on message serial interface:
~~HP3396,IBLI
Unfortunately, typing "BX" for "Basic eXternal" on the keyboard tells me:
BASIC NOT INSTALLED
So I am wondering, whether I can install a BASIC by replacing the ROM with an EPROM.
According to the "Installation and Service Manual", the ROM U 110 came in two versions:
Z-80 Standard-ROM 03396-80012
Z-80 BASIC-ROM 03396-80032
This means that the BASIC is NOT in the cradled EPROM but in the ROM in the lower right corner of the PCB.
My ROM 80013 is probably an revision of 80012.
So: I need a copy of the 03396-80032 ROM chip.
Additionally, if someone has the manual "RS232 Programming Manual", P/N 03396-90335", for the 3396 integrator. it would be great if he could scan the document and make the content available.
[I have the remaining manuals and already sent scans to the HP Museum in Australia for making them available o their site.
Main PCB:
+----------------+ +----------------+
| PPP EPROM | | U 111 |
| 27C011-200V10 | | 27C010-150V10 |
| 03396-80106 | | 03396-80023 |
+----------------+ +----------------+
+----------------+ +----------------+
| U 317 | | U 110 |
| 27128A | | ROM |
| 03396-80043 | | 03396-80013 |
+----------------+ +----------------+
Opening the Case
- remove transparent cover from printer compartment by pressing the hinge flaps inside
- remove 2 screws close to rear edge, from top
- remove 2 screws in printer compartment from top
- remove keyboard:
- keyboard is "hinged" at the front with three rigid noses
- use a pry tool to open the 3 latches at the rear edge of the keyboard plate
- lift the rear edge and pull the plate back
- if you are careful, the ribbon cable can stay in place, you can thread the keyboard plate through the case opening
- lift case cover upwards
Thank you for reading,
Martin
This may be a bit too new for this list but I thought what the heck - maybe
one of you Compaq/DEC/HP guys would know:
Is there any reason a Smart Array controller can't be used as a simple SCSI
controller? I.E. No array, just using it to drive a tape library? TIA!
-Ali
Hi Ethan
In theory console can be set to anything but its usually 9600/8/n/1 as I?m sure you?ve tried.
On some suns unplugging the serial cable is the equivalent of sending a break, so might be worth a try?
Suns do require full hardware signalling on the console connection so might be worth checking.
I?ve used Teraterm to receive and save binary paper tapes and ASCII paper tapes to files using the log function without any problem. When you say receive ?into an ASCII file,? what is the ASCII requirement you?re trying to satisfy? What is on the tape - text or binary data?
Mike
Hi, Warren. We've spoken a few times through the decades, but a have a
friend with a delightful relic of PC Unix history: the original 286 UNIX
port, well before SCO with Xenix.
Bela is in Mountain View, CA so he's on the wrong continent for you, but I
figured you might know of an appropriate home for this.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3516115585074301&id=10000027682…
Thanks for all you've done to preserve UNIX.
RJL
i> From: Alan Perry <aperry at snowmoose.com>
> Why would one get OS/2200 when they can get https://www.unisys.com/offerings/clearpath-forward/clearpath-forward-produc… ?
thanks!
As an old MCP user/developer (although outside the lab), that's really
interesting to me!
Note: you have to register to get the software. That's apparently
done by clicking on "Downloads". Then you're presented with a
registration form. After submitting it, you're told you'll receive an
email.
Don't hold your breath.
It's been 20 minutes, and no email from Unisys :(
(And, no email --> no download)
Stan
Unrepairable preferred
It'll be going into an epoxy resin setup that someone I know is doing for a
table, and I really want to get something that still LOOKS OK but is...
well, just faulty and won't be restorable to service so we don't destroy
any potentially usable hardware.
Ideas/suggestions welcome!
--
Gary G. Sparkes Jr.
KB3HAG
Hi - I read on teraterm's forum or something like it that teraterm is not
really equipped to receive an inbound papertape reader dump into an ascii
file. What do those of you who have both windows and a tape reader use?
RealTerm? If so, what settings? I have been wresting with this for a
while...I am told my DSI NC 2400 needs hardware flow control
Thanks
BIll
I have a MicroVAX 3100 which has a H7822 power supply. The power supply
and the machine itself mostly work (there is a problem with the SCSI
interfaces but that's another story) except that the two fans in the
power supply don't run. If left on for a long time, the machine gets
too hot and a thermal trip operates, shutting it down.
The fans are DC 12V 0.2A and if I connect them to +5V or +12V, they
work fine and don't draw excessive current so there would seem to be
a problem with the section of the power supply which drives the fans.
Unfortunately, it's operation is not obvious and the power supply is
a pig to work on. It consists of two double sided PCBs connected by
short leads and having live parts on both boards making it difficult
to get access to both sides of the board where the fan circuit is when
the power is on.
I don't have an identical working power supply to compare the faulty
one to but the fan circuit looks superficially similar to the one in
the H7821 which I do have working examples of so that may be a way
to proceed.
Does anyone have a service manual for the H7822 or H7821 or know how
the fan circuit is supposed to work in these power supplies?
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
Hi,
I bumped into an old friend of mine today. We both talked about a pair of
machines we worked on that no longer exist as far as we cant tell. They
were both Adage machines and had the same base digital architecture. Their
names are Ambilog 200 and AGT-30. The Ambilog was the predecessor to the
AGT line. The AGT came in 3 flavors, AGT-10, AGT-30 and AGT-50. The 30
seems to have been the most prevalent.
They were 30 bit, one's complement machines. The Ambilog had a beautiful
console that used an IO Selectric. It was designed as a 2D vector graphics
machine.
Here's an image of the Ambilog 200: Ambilog 200
<https://d.lib.ncsu.edu/collections/catalog/ua023_024-001-bx0010-020-004#?c=…>
The AGT/30 was a very advanced 3D vector machine. The XYZ signals for the
display came from a 4 x 3 "hybrid" matrix multiplier which allowed for 3D
imaging with Z axis depth cueing. The matrix multiplier was a 19 in rack
of a dozen discrete 15 bit multiplying D to A converters. About once a
year it had to be re-calibrated due to long term drift.
Here's a link to an image of an AGT-30: Adage AGT-30
<https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwhat-when-how.com%2FTutori…>
And here is it's 1.5 seconds of fame from the SciFi classic "Dark Star": AGT-30
das Blinkenlights <https://youtu.be/ocse-0bBfo8?t=3152>
Anyway, it turns out he has quite a few of the source and backup tapes.
Unfortunately they are 7 track 556 BPI. So the question is: is there
anyone out there that can assist with either reading these tapes or (better
yet) has a 7 track tape head we could buy?
Our goal is to preserve this forgotten machine designed at the start of the
computer graphics era. Writing a full emulator is our goal.
I live in the Bay Area. Maybe those of you with connections to CHM could
see if we could read the tapes on the 1401. Or maybe one of you has a 7
track driver in your junk file. All we really would need is the head and
we could put it on an existing drive. As a last option, a commercial tape
recovery vendor although that is probably too pricey.
Thanks,
Marc Howard
Does anyone know where to find Motorola 120bug or 12Xbug? I have an MVME121 but it has a third party ROM, not the typical Motorola boot ROM. (The 12Xbug manual would be handy too, of course.)
-- Chris
Hi all --
Picked up a board advertised as a "4mb memory board" for a VAX-11/750.
It's made by Dataram and I'm unsure of the model number, based on photos of
it. I just noticed that rather than being a hex-height board that goes in
the memory backplane, it looks like a board that goes in the main CMI
backplane. It also appears to have 16mb of ECC memory on it, rather than
4mb.
My thought is either (1) it's not actually for an 11/750 (in which case I'm
curious what it would go into), or (2) it completely replaces the memory
controller and standard memory and gives you 16mb in the 750. (Or it could
be that it's something else entirely.)
If anyone has any ideas or has a source of information, let me know. I put
up a few pictures here:
http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/dataram/
Thanks as always,
- Josh
On 7/17/20 7:07 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
> Yes, if you define it that way then clearly I agree. The thing is
> that in most people's definition, "drive failure" means "the drive
> is a door stop".
Ya.... I've had too many "but the drive isn't a brick ... how could it
be the failure" experiences to use that as my benchmark. Now, if the
drive is not doing what it's supposed to do in any (reproducible)
manner, I consider it a failure. Well ... almost any reproducible manner.
> And in fact, hard read errors are normal. Every drive has a spec for
> the probability of that happening, and given the per-sector failure
> probability and the sector count, the probability of SOME sector
> failing to read when you read the whole drive is nowadays somewhere
> around 1.
Ya. That's where the reproducibility of any given failure comes into play.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
I'm trying to find source files for the very first, original, ver 1.00(?) small C compiler. I have the DDJ issue with the printed source (minus the assembly language runtime libs.) I have found all sorts of derivative works, but I haven't found files of the original version. My old eyes aren't up to typing in 13 pages of scanned copy of printed dot matrix listings.
Does anyone know where a downloadable copy of these files can be found? Or have a copy they could send?
Thanks,
Will
"A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"The names of global variables should start with // " -- https://isocpp.org
Is there a trick to archiving tapes to PC using Teraterm from a DSI NC 2400
reader/punch? Or is there a best software for this? From the terminal I
can ctrl+Q to cause the reader to initiate a read of a test tape but I
can't capture the output of the tape through the modem port of the reader
into the serial port of my PC. I tried various things with settings.
I was told it uses hardware flow control. The reader is set correctly as
far as I can tell. I am using 2400/8/n/1 but I have tried other settings.
I get no response from the terminal inbound at all. I am using a USB to
serial interface that I know works with an RS232 modem, but it may not work
with the reader. If so, I'd like to know if anyone has a
similar experience.
It may not be straight forward and I have to make a custom cable. I will
keep at it, report if I find the answers.
Bill
Out of curiosity, does anyone know anything about this publisher? They apparently existed in the late 70?s and early 80?s. They were apparently located in Beaverton, Oregon in the same business park, on Nimbus, where Norvac Electronics was. They obviously published some very strange computer books, including what looks to be a teen romance. I find myself with an embarrassingly nice little collection of the books, that my Dad apparently had. Considering I think he touched a computer twice in his life, they?re something of a mystery.
Best title, ?Nailing Jelly to a Tree?, which is apparently a book on Software.
The publisher sounds vaguely familiar, and I think I might have one or two other books from them in my collection.
Zane
Two questions,
1. If anyone is using these devices, which firmware/software do you
use in the device and why did you choose it?
2/ Is anyone specifically using one as a replacement or adjunct or and
RX50 et al on a Pro, pdp11, uVax, DecMate, or Pro box, and same
question set as 1?
Yes, i picked up one, and looking at the capabilities, documentation
first, and considering reflashing the beast to give more control of
formats.
TIA
bob smith
If anyone along the northern Colorado Front Range is in need of a microfiche reader, it was reported to me that a Micro Design model 4010 is sitting in the Longmont Community Thrift store. My source didn't notice a price. The condition is unknown, but it appears to be reasonably intact, and a cell phone picture from the front is available if you send me a message.
I have been working on CDC CYBER 170 mainframes between 1977 and 1988. In
2002 I wrote an open-source emulator for the CDC 6000 and CYBER series (see
my website http://www.control-data.info/). In 2013 I also developed the
open-source VHDL firmware emulating the console controller for these
systems. The firmware runs on a Xilinx Virtex 6 FPGA on a PCI Express
(PCIe) board. The off-the shelf Xilinx board carries a small custom
"piggy-back" board with 4 DACs and 4 op-amps to interface to a DD60or CC545
console. This PCIe board was used by Paul Allen's Living Computer Museum
(LCM) in Seattle from 2013 onward in a PC running my 6000/CYBER series
emulator to drive a real DD60 console. The CC545 has a very similar
interface and my emulated controller would work with it too.
For many years I have been trying to find one of these vector drawn CC545
consoles to use with my emulator but I haven't been able to find one.
Recently I decided to build a clone of it myself. Bitsavers has a hardware
manual with schematics:
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/cdc/cyber/cyber_170/62952600L_CYBER_170_Displa…
The CC545 console achieved unusually fast deflection with an
electromagnetically deflected CRT. I am trying to understand the tricks
they used to get these high speeds. Part of the magic is a dual-yoke which
provided gross positioning within 2 microseconds to anywhere on the screen
using the first yoke (this is VERY fast) and then painted the character
using a second yoke around that base position with 0.1 microsecond per
stroke (this is VERY fast too). The two yokes work in an additive manner.
The reason there are two yokes is that you need quite low
inductivity/impedance to be able to drive the symbol vectors at 0.1
microsecond per vector with up to 24 vectors making up one character. The
gross position yoke needs to create a large enough magnetic field to sweep
across the entire screen so has a higher inductivity/impedance but the
magnetic field has 2 microseconds to stabilise.
The older DD60 console used electrostatic deflection which is much faster
by its very nature. Traditional CRT oscilloscopes were all
electrostatically deflected because of the speed advantage over
electromagnetic deflection.
The CC545 manual on Bitsavers has a good description of the circuits and
schematics, but unfortunately Section 8 with the "Parts Data" has not been
scanned. I really would like to know the types of transistors used in the 4
deflection amplifiers as well as the details of the dual-yoke and possibly
the CRT data.
It would also be very useful to see details of the design of the dual-yoke
and possibly the inductivity of each of the coils. This dual-yoke is most
unusual and very different from what is used in TVs, CRT monitors and even
vector drawn games like Vectrex or early vector drawn Atari arcade games.
Could somebody please help?
Thanks
Tom Hunter