29 Jul
2020
29 Jul
'20
1:11 p.m.
I was looking for an old post on comp.lang.forth, and was surprised to discover that the
group doesn't appear to be hosted on google groups any more.? Searching the group
pulls up a "banned group" message, and selecting the "continue to the
group" button shows 0 messages in the group.? This appears to be due to spam showing
up in the unmoderated group.
Google bought Dejanews years ago, and, as I understand, was the defacto main usenet
repository.? Is is all really gone, or just temporarily hidden?? How long ago did this
happen?? Is the full comp.lang.forth archive available anywhere? ?
I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP mirrors and gather as much historical usenet
content as possible.? Much of the overall content is garbage, but there's some
priceless stuff in there, and even more that will become interesting in light of future
developments.
Dave
3:55 p.m.
Al,
I would say "mostly". There are still corners that have not totally succumbed.
comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
has the odd interesting posts, as does the open VMS group
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
cctalk
Sent: 29 July 2020 21:21
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?
I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP
mirrors
Usenet is a rotting corpse now.
The right time to do this was decades ago now. 
5:33 p.m.
People are working on restoring comp.lang.forth and comp.lang.lisp
From what I can gather, this was because of numerous
defamation complaints.
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=%22com…
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:55 PM Dave Wade via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Al,
I would say "mostly". There are still corners that have not totally
succumbed.
comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
has the odd interesting posts, as does the open VMS group
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
cctalk
Sent: 29 July 2020 21:21
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?
I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP
mirrors
Usenet is a rotting corpse now.
The right time to do this was decades ago now. 
5:39 p.m.
That is absolutely in keeping with the flame nature of the group.
Sigh...
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:33 AM Tony Aiuto via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
People are working on restoring comp.lang.forth and
comp.lang.lisp
From what I can gather, this was because of numerous defamation complaints.
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=%22com…
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:55 PM Dave Wade via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Al,
I would say "mostly". There are still corners that have not totally
succumbed.
comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
has the odd interesting posts, as does the open VMS group
Dave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Al Kossow
via
cctalk
Sent: 29 July 2020 21:21
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?
I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP
mirrors
Usenet is a rotting corpse now.
The right time to do this was decades ago now.
6:28 p.m.
Yup. It's a conundrum.
Companies serving the text of a forum have a strong financial incentive to
respond to take downs quickly.
All it takes for someone to DOS a forum is to post the right things.
Moderating every post makes you a publisher, which adds obligations that
individuals don't usually like.
Unmoderated forums give a space for the trolls.
It was all easier when you had to be in the same room with others to
actually talk to them.
When the jerk starts spewing you can walk away and their speech just
disappears.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:39 PM Doug Jackson <doug at doughq.com> wrote:
That is absolutely in keeping with the flame nature of
the group.
Sigh...
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
em: doug at doughq.com
ph: 0414 986878
Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com
Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted
with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely for
your own use.
Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have
been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard.
Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the
imminent Zombie Apocalypse then the sender bears no personal, legal, or
moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its usage unless the
result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes in which
case the sender takes full credit without any theoretical or actual legal
liability. :-)
Be nice to your parents.
Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a
radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you
happy.
^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally
sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:33 AM Tony Aiuto via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
People are working on restoring comp.lang.forth
and comp.lang.lisp
From what I can gather, this was because of numerous defamation
complaints.
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=%22com…
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:55 PM Dave Wade via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Al,
I would say "mostly". There are still corners that have not totally
succumbed.
comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
has the odd interesting posts, as does the open VMS group
Dave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Al Kossow
via
cctalk
Sent: 29 July 2020 21:21
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?
> I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP mirrors
Usenet is a rotting corpse now.
The right time to do this was decades ago now.
1:42 p.m.
Right now it's (temporarily?) hidden, not deleted. Hopefully it will be
restored. (I used to be a member of the Google Groups project.) Banned
groups aren't deleted for some number of weeks in case the ban was a
mistake.
There are also some backups at https://archive.org/download/usenet-comp.lang
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:11 PM Dave via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I was looking for an old post on comp.lang.forth, and
was surprised to
discover that the group doesn't appear to be hosted on google groups any
more. Searching the group pulls up a "banned group" message, and selecting
the "continue to the group" button shows 0 messages in the group. This
appears to be due to spam showing up in the unmoderated group.
Google bought Dejanews years ago, and, as I understand, was the defacto
main usenet repository. Is is all really gone, or just temporarily
hidden? How long ago did this happen? Is the full comp.lang.forth archive
available anywhere?
I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP mirrors and gather as much
historical usenet content as possible. Much of the overall content is
garbage, but there's some priceless stuff in there, and even more that will
become interesting in light of future developments.
Dave
1:47 p.m.
P.S. I just downloaded (from the internet archive) and looked at the
comp.lang.forth archives and they seem to cover 2003 through 2014.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:42 PM Joseph S. Barrera III <joe at barrera.org>
wrote:
Right now it's (temporarily?) hidden, not deleted.
Hopefully it will be
restored. (I used to be a member of the Google Groups project.) Banned
groups aren't deleted for some number of weeks in case the ban was a
mistake.
There are also some backups at
https://archive.org/download/usenet-comp.lang
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:11 PM Dave via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I was looking for an old post on comp.lang.forth,
and was surprised to
discover that the group doesn't appear to be hosted on google groups any
more. Searching the group pulls up a "banned group" message, and selecting
the "continue to the group" button shows 0 messages in the group. This
appears to be due to spam showing up in the unmoderated group.
Google bought Dejanews years ago, and, as I understand, was the defacto
main usenet repository. Is is all really gone, or just temporarily
hidden? How long ago did this happen? Is the full comp.lang.forth archive
available anywhere?
I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP mirrors and gather as much
historical usenet content as possible. Much of the overall content is
garbage, but there's some priceless stuff in there, and even more that will
become interesting in light of future developments.
Dave
2:21 p.m.
Comp.lang.forth taught me that flame wars were fun and all I needed to
enjoy them was popcorn.
It also showed me how every person writing their own version of a language
and the associated flame wars actually damaged the the community. I
suspect much of Forths lack of traction can be attributed to that.
Are you sure it's really useful historical material?
On Thu, 30 Jul. 2020, 6:48 am Joseph S. Barrera III via cctalk, <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
P.S. I just downloaded (from the internet archive) and
looked at the
comp.lang.forth archives and they seem to cover 2003 through 2014.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:42 PM Joseph S. Barrera III <joe at barrera.org>
wrote:
Right now it's (temporarily?) hidden, not
deleted. Hopefully it will be
restored. (I used to be a member of the Google Groups project.) Banned
groups aren't deleted for some number of weeks in case the ban was a
mistake.
There are also some backups at
https://archive.org/download/usenet-comp.lang
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:11 PM Dave via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> I was looking for an old post on comp.lang.forth, and was surprised to
> discover that the group doesn't appear to be hosted on google groups any
> more. Searching the group pulls up a "banned group" message, and
selecting
> the "continue to the group" button
shows 0 messages in the group. This
> appears to be due to spam showing up in the unmoderated group.
>
> Google bought Dejanews years ago, and, as I understand, was the defacto
> main usenet repository. Is is all really gone, or just temporarily
> hidden? How long ago did this happen? Is the full comp.lang.forth
archive
> available anywhere?
>
> I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP mirrors and gather as much
> historical usenet content as possible. Much of the overall content is
> garbage, but there's some priceless stuff in there, and even more that
will
become
interesting in light of future developments.
Dave
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