- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I did some searches. First I found a company that is listed as having DTL devices form one of those master list of companies: http://www.mathiselectronics.com/ The only thing is that they do not list them on their web page. A little nore in depth search ( remembering that I might have actually posted information to this group in the past ) revealed: http://lansdale.com/homeprod.htm Of course, I was wrong, they were in Arizona and not Texas ( it was the desert that fooled me ). They have quite a listing of DTL parts in the Motorola section. If anyone does contact them for prices, could they let me know? I see they have a minimum $1000 order. Dwight >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> > >Hi > By the way, there is a company in Texas some place that >is actually making DTL and most likely RTL as well. They >make parts for obsolete equipment. I've lost the url >but I found it with a search on the web. I was always >afraid to even ask what they were charging for the >parts ( most were mil spec as well ). >Dwight > > >>From: "Arlen Michaels" <arlen(a)acm.org> >> >>on 31/7/02 3:12 PM, Ethan Dicks at erd_6502(a)yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> I am looking for some DTL chips to make a repro W706/W707 TTY >>> interface set for my Straight-8 and PDP-8/S (got *no* serial >>> I/O for them. :-( ) >>> >>> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w706.shtml?small >>> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w707.shtml?small >>> >>> The chips there are: >>> >>> W707 >>> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) >>> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (8) >>> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >>> MC789 Hex Inverter (5) >>> W706 >>> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (9) >>> MC789 Hex Inverter (6) >>> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >>> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) >> >>The MC7xx were RTL, not DTL. Motorola made them. They typically used a >3.6 >>volt power supply, like the Fairchild uL9xx RTL series of the same era >(late >>'60s I think). >> >>Arlen Michaels >> >> > > >

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Fortran Coding Form Pads...

by florit＠unixville.com

Yes, they are 80x24. I plan to scan one of them for netposterity. :) Will post link when I get it done. Anyone know where the genesis of 80x24/40x24 screen dimensions (and quite a few other devices) has its origination in? I remember my old dot matrix epson used to be 80 columns wide, and most of the older 8 bit computers had 40 or 80 cols by 24 or 25 rows. "But why?" he cried... Regards, Louis From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Fortran Coding Form Pads... Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:45:07 -0600 Organization: Erlacher Associates Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Are these the ones with 24 lines of 80 columns? Several major vendors modeled their coding forms after the U.S. military coding forms, presumably cooked up by the Navy. I've only seen the blue ones, (blue lines) which I presume were patterned after the USAF ones. They worked great for coding when the work product was going to that huge room full of mini-skirted (back then) keypunch operators. (I'd have given a week's pay for a couple of hours hours to fish around in that room ... <sigh> ... ) I did, BTW, code in Fortran back then. Dick

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C question

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I have another C issue that I can't seem to see the answer for, so I thought I'd throw it out to the masses. I'm deep into the Altair 680b emulation project (base code done, working on telnet access) and I'm experiencing problems reading a file stream into the memory array. Here's snippets of the code: <SNIP> byte *ppmem ; // pointer into memory array byte ucMem[3*65536] ; // actual memory-see defines below for usage // roms[] is an array of structures defining start-time loaded ROMs. Only one ROM now //(the monitor PROM), but flexible enough to allow bank-switched ROMs (not applicable //in the 680b but a leftover from the 6800 processor emulation code that was borrowed //for the project) // //MEM_xxx are defines for the offset into the ucMem array to various areas #define MEM_RAM 0 #define MEM_ROM 0x10000 #define MEM_FLAGS 0x20000 FILE *pFH ; // open file, etc. //create while loop to walk through roms[] array // Read ROM directly to memory. This works. ppmem = &ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM] ; fread(ppmem, sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; //this doesn't work... //fread(&ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; //...nor does this //fread((char *)ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; // Set flags for ROM memset(&ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_FLAGS], 1, roms[i].iROMLen) ; </SNIP> So here's where I'm missing it. Under all three fread scenarios, the compiler doesn't throw a warning...they all compile cleanly. But only the first works. This sounds like one of those "What's the Bug" ads from DDJ. What am I missing? Rich

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C question

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Erik: No errors or warnings are emitted by the compiler, so the way I'm determining that the various functions work or not work is by looking at a "core dump" of the emulator memory (performed by another routine). In all but the first example, the memory is empty (they remain the initialized value of 0). The first way, the emulator memory indeed shows the contents of the loaded ROM. I've "watched" the contents of the roms array and have also outputted the values to the debug screen. The values are as expected. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Eric J. Korpela [mailto:korpela@ssl.berkeley.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:34 PM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: C question > // Read ROM directly to memory. This works. > ppmem = &ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM] ; > fread(ppmem, sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; > > //this doesn't work... > //fread(&ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), roms[i].iROMLen, > pFH) ; > > //...nor does this > //fread((char *)ucMem[roms[i].iROMStart + MEM_ROM], sizeof(byte), > roms[i].iROMLen, pFH) ; > > So here's where I'm missing it. Under all three fread scenarios, the > compiler doesn't throw a warning...they all compile cleanly. But only the > first works. Lack of warnings or code don't have anything to do with whether the code is correct... The last one is the easiest to figure out.... Call fread with the following parameters: 1. byte value at address (ucMem+roms[i].iROMStart+MEM_ROM) converted into a pointer to type char. 2. The value 1 (assuming byte is typedefed to "unsigned char") 3. The value stored in roms[i].iROMLen 4. The value stored in pFH. It's fairly easy to see why the first parameter is wrong... No warning is issued because the type of the first parameter is correct. Without the typecast, a warning should be issued. The previous two look equivalent to me. I don't really see a significant difference. Are you sure "i" and "roms" are set to what you think it should be. Personally, I would have written the first parameter as "ucMem+roms[i].iROMStart+MEM_ROM" as I think it more clearly represents what you mean. What is the error reported? What are the return values from fread? (You should be checking that the return value equals roms[i].iROMLen.) Eric

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by Gavin.Haines1＠btopenworld.com

On Thu, Aug 1, 2002 6:00 pm, "Tom Owad" <owad(a)applefritter.com>wrote: >I've got a couple of 128's that act as shelf supports for some of my >Commodore equipment - so I guess you could say that they are "still in >use" :-) Hi all. I have just subscribed. I have the following equipment. BBC Micro. 32k, Apple II+ 48k, Apple IIc, Macintosh Classic 4/80, Amiga A500, Macintosh LC II with Apple IIe card, Macintosh iMac Bondi Blue. Of all these only the iMac is in regular use. The LC II is sitting on the floor beside me. It is semi in use. Or rather it is ready for use to connect to the Internet should the iMac need to be sent for service (this has happened twice since I have had it). The other computers are all in the cupboard under the stairs. All are in working order, or were in working order. Projects I have done are: 1. Connected the Apple II to the BBC Micro using the games socket on the Apple and transfered data successfully. (hard) 2. Connected the BBC Micro to the Amiga and transferred data to a BBC Micro emulator program which runs on the Amiga. 3. Downloaded disk images off the Internet using the Mac Classic and transferred them to the Apple IIc using Mac ADT. 3. Connected the Apple II to the Amiga using serial card without instructions. Card is marked 7710A (hard) 4. Transferred data to the iMac from the LC II via the Internet. 5. Connected the LCII to the internet. (Easy) a) browsed the internet with Mac web (slow) b) used Eudora for email c) Claris emailer seems better 6. Connected the Mac Classic to the Internet using S7.1 and S7.5.5 7. Printed on Epson Stylus Color 740 from LC II. (Easy, send disk images of 68k version of printer driver which is on Bondi iMac's install CD). 8 Connected to Lost Gonzo using Cyberdog. Any telnet client will do. Is here: telnet://lost-gonzo.com Projects I have not been able to do. 1. Connect any Macintosh running System 6 to the internet 2. Connect a 5.25 Disk II drive to the LC II card http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/Csa2FDRIVE.html

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>ISTR doing that with MacTCP 1.x (an addon install, not included >in System 6) and a SCSI<->Ethernet box. I'm fairly certain that >the ethernet box came with System 6 drivers, but if someone here >knows that it flat-out can't be done, then I'm probably mistaken. >I have never tried it with dial-up, if that's what you mean. I don't recall if I have ever personally done it... but I see no reason it CAN'T be done. There are MacTCP drivers for System 6, and at least the Asante SCSI->Ethernet box has System 6 drivers available. There are also System 6 drivers for the Farallon Etherwave localtalk->ethernet adaptor, however, the Etherwave doesn't support TCP/IP (limit of the Appletalk, not of the etherwave), so you have to use MacIP (TCP/IP wrapped in AppleTalk), and a MacIP to TCP/IP bridge (like IPNetRouter running on another Mac). And again, I see no reason it can't be done. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: Digital Watch Recommendations?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I like BIG, HEAVY, INDUSTRIAL watches, so none of those effeminate >little dressy things! It isn't really gadgety... but I feel I need to say it anyway. DO NOT buy a Pulsar Spoon watch. They are more on the "dressy" side, but they are definitly big and heavy... and they suck royal ass!!! A friend of mine talked me into buying one (he used to sell them at an upscale watch store, the place had things like Movado's and Rolex, and a typical watch there was $4,000). I wanted a digital watch that went against the norm and had a black display with highlighted numbers rather than the norm grey/white display with shadowed numbers. The spoon has that (black display, with a red light to illuminate the numbers... display looks very much like an old LED TI calculator). It was one of the cheapest watches they sold there at $160. It broke about a month after I got it (light stopped working... and you NEED the light to see the display). It went back, was repaired (after about a 6 week wait). Then about 3 or 4 months later... broke again... went back again, was repaired (another 6 weeks). Repeat as needed. It has been back 4 times total... and as of right now, the light turns on when you just brush the watch, and all other buttons work when they want to. When I bitched to my friend that the watch sucks shit... he told me "What do you expect for a $160 watch"... oh, I don't know... for $160 I expect it will offer me head! I am in the process of digging out my $20 Casio that I had prior... it also had a black display (with grey numbers), and unlike this attractive peice of shit on my wrist now... it worked just fine. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Way OT How to set Microsoft Outlook as plain ASCII only.

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: McFadden, Mike > > I'm tired of bothering you'll with the mime junk. My clueless helpdesk > can't help. I don't use address books. I'm forced to use outlook. How > do I set all of my messages to plain ASCII? I've tried google searches and > even read the book at the library, I'm still sending MIME. I tried just > lurking but I want to contribute. > > Thanks > Mike > mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu > You're using it on a PC, right? Well, on a per-message basis, you can change it under the Format menu, then select Plain Text. For all new outgoing messages, it's under Options, the IIRC, Mail format... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Way OT How to set Microsoft Outlook as plain ASCII only.

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I'm tired of bothering you'll with the mime junk. My clueless helpdesk can't help. I don't use address books. I'm forced to use outlook. How do I set all of my messages to plain ASCII? I've tried google searches and even read the book at the library, I'm still sending MIME. I tried just lurking but I want to contribute. Thanks Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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WTD: support ICs

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi By the way, there is a company in Texas some place that is actually making DTL and most likely RTL as well. They make parts for obsolete equipment. I've lost the url but I found it with a search on the web. I was always afraid to even ask what they were charging for the parts ( most were mil spec as well ). Dwight >From: "Arlen Michaels" <arlen(a)acm.org> > >on 31/7/02 3:12 PM, Ethan Dicks at erd_6502(a)yahoo.com wrote: > >> I am looking for some DTL chips to make a repro W706/W707 TTY >> interface set for my Straight-8 and PDP-8/S (got *no* serial >> I/O for them. :-( ) >> >> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w706.shtml?small >> http://www.pdp8.net/w-boards/pics/w707.shtml?small >> >> The chips there are: >> >> W707 >> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) >> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (8) >> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >> MC789 Hex Inverter (5) >> W706 >> MC790 Dual J-K Flip-Flop (9) >> MC789 Hex Inverter (6) >> MC724 Quad Input Gate (5) >> MC799 Dual Power Buffer (1) > >The MC7xx were RTL, not DTL. Motorola made them. They typically used a 3.6 >volt power supply, like the Fairchild uL9xx RTL series of the same era (late >'60s I think). > >Arlen Michaels > >

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Mac SE/30's available (was Re: Anyone using their old Mac?)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>One disturbing trend nowdays is that 99% of the computers >come with out any software or manuals. Sure you can get that >machine for $10 but if the OS is bad or you want to install >software you are out of luck. True on a general note, but at least with the SE/30 referenced, you can get System 6.0.8 from Apple's web site, as well as System 7.5.3 (and the .5 updater). Which means, really, you can fairly easily get that SE/30 resetup with an OS. And then there is NetBSD which runs on the SE/30 pretty happily (or so I have been told... personally, every time I get to the point of booting, something else on my SE/30 breaks, no fault of NetBSD... just a nasty string of coincidence). NetBSD is of course a free download as well. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fortran Coding Form Pads...

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Speaking of odd screen widths, the Osborne I was 52 characters wide. With the 80-column upgrade, you could also get 104 characters on the Osborne's tiny screen. (Using 60-character lines in WordStar, the screen would jump-scroll whenever you reached the last part of a line -- a rea PITA. Until I got the 80-column upgrade, I would write using a 50-character line and reformat to 60 before printing.) -----Original Message----- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:19 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Fortran Coding Form Pads... > > > Certainly, screen dimensions were modelled after punched cards: There > were 80 columns on a punched card, and once everybody was used to that > line length, it was an obvious choice to make the screen just as wide - > except for a couple of clever guys who made the screen 64 columns wide, > which happens to be a power of two. I've seen 132 column screens too (why 132???) but did anyone ever try to make a 128 column screen (or printer)? It would seem to be a logical size to make it, but I've never seen one. -tony

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Harddisks with SA1000 interface

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

*Drool* I'd kill for a DN300 or 330 or any model of Apollo... especially a DN10000... hehe... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Fortran coding forms VS. dollar bills

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

FYI the last year of large-size dollar bills (and larger denominations), was 1923. I personally own a Series 1923 1 Dollar bill and would be willing to scan it and measure it if there is interest... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Harddisks with SA1000 interface

by P.Gebhardt＠gmx.de

Hello everybody ! A Micropolis 8" HDD (1222-i), I got 1 year ago and anaother Quantum 8" drive (Q2020) are equipped with a SA1000 Interface. I'd like to test (and save) them but I don't know wich systems support that kind of interface. Does anybody know any systems, which support these drives ? I found manuals for the Quantum drive but I found nothing for the Micropolis drive on google. What is the configuration for the power connector ? Thanks alot for any help ! Pierre -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net

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Okilaser 400 2Meg memory card

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Bare card, no memory chips (takes 44256 DRAM). Anyone need one? Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Vax 8600 on Ebay

by fernande＠internet1.net

I thought this would be a good canidate to post to the list. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2042185013 Is the seller or bidder here on the list? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by mross666＠hotmail.com

>I'm certainly up for a 33 and a 35. And I can pick up, if they're local to >NYC... William's warehouse is in Paterson NJ, so about 20-30 minutes from NYC. However, I think he is only there during the day, during the week. If you can't work with that schedule, if William lets me go back, I can grab you a 35 and stick it in my storage garage, but you will have to pick it up before the end of August (my rental price doubles starting in Sept, so I plan to have everything out before then). My garage is in Ho-Ho-Kus NJ, which is also about 20-30 minutes from NYC. But I have 24x7 access to the garage, and since I live about 10 blocks from it (and work about 10 blocks the other direction from it), I can meet you there pretty much any day or time for pickup. Of course, I have to figure out how to get a 35 back out of my van and into my garage all by myself... that will be a serious challenge. Chris, Appreciate it. A 35 would be most cool. Hopefully I can get out there myself to help you pick it up - or just pick it up myself. (let's take the logistics off-list). I would also go for a 33 - I don't have a working one this side of the pond. If the price were halfways reasonable I'd take one of the 'new' 33s that were mentioned a few posts back! Cheers Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Aahhh, Relief!

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

My Gods. A responsible vendor. I am agog. I snarked an RRD46 (12x CD) drive off eBay a couple of weeks ago. It came in today, except it says RRD45. :( Like I wanted another 4x CD drive. I fired of a reasonably polite, low-intensity complaint to the seller, and less than an hour later, got an apology, an offer of a full refund including shipping or replacement if they still have an RRD46, and an offer, if I pay for the return shipping, to give me "extra" credit on any future purchase. Which I'm likely to do. I've been fighting off a client who thinks his 5 grand for a solid week's work entails lifetime support & handholding, not to mention training of his dweebs. All week I've been trying to get NextCard to quit hitting my bank with a completely unauthorized $125 direct withdrawal. They admit it's entirely their fault, but insist that they can't stop the withdrawal! They say _I_ have to put a stop on the charges at the bank. Meanwhile, they are adding charges to my credit card for late payment and over-limit, because they have the payment I did authorize, and which did clear the bank, on hold. Because there's a "dispute". I'm up three levels of their complaint desk, and have yet to speak to anyone who admits to any peculiarity in their actions. "But we already promised to pay the INS fees and the stop payment at your bank!" But not the late fees, nor my time off work, nor the expense of faxing them all the documentation. I can't even get a solid promise to drop all _their_ extra charges, incurred because THEY screwed up! I'd much rather "twmaster", the eBay dealer, had sent me the right thing to start with. But it's damn nice for somebody to own up to their shit, and make good on it. Doc

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Teletypes (more more)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Kent Borg" <kentborg(a)borg.org> > >Teletypes in New Jersey, and I am in Boston. Damn. > >-kb > Hi Maybe we could get someone that is in the area to deal with shipping various items ( for a small overhead ). I could use a few items myself, for a 33. Of course an entire machine would make a good spare but shipping cost a lot and they really are too heavy to put in a cardboard box ( that is why I need some parts ). Is there anyone in the area that could work as a middle man? Dwight wish list: 1. Outside plastic case for a asr33. 2. Tape reader latch or spare reader. 3. Power module for a tape reader.

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WTD: support ICs

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I'm always looking for DTL chips. Finding these would be great. Anyone with some of these hiding away or some old surplus board with them on it, I'd be interested. I forget the numbers I need but one is a open collector nand ( something like 935? but that sounds like a RTL). I'll have to make list. Dwight

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Multibus ST-506/QIC-02 (was: Re: SGI IRIS 1400 ...)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk > >> > If this is the head lock solenoid, do you get any voltage across it when >> > the drive is attempting to spin up? >> >> I think I did get voltage on that connector when it seemed to pull in. >> I'll have to double check though. > >Yes, please do. We'll both feel right idiots if we spend time looking in >the servo circuitry and that real reaso the heads can't move is becuase >they're locked. > >> > Unless you have a clean box, I would do a few more checks outside the >> > HDA first >> >> Well, ok :P > >It's up to you, it's your drive. And don't you think the HDA has been >opened before? If that's the case, then it might not do any more daamge >to pull the cover again. > >-tony > > Hi I haven't been following this thread but I thought I'd add: When working inside of disk drives, wear a mask ( the ones you get from the drug store work fine ). Also, don't work in a room that has had someone smoking or while someone is frying stuff in the kitchen. Most dust particles are large enough that the head just kicks it of into the filter. Smoke particles are the right size to cause head crashes, as is a little bit of spittle from a sneeze or speech. Also, don't rotate the disk backwards, the heads will cut into the surface and damage them. Dwight

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Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I'm certainly up for a 33 and a 35. And I can pick up, if they're local to >NYC... William's warehouse is in Paterson NJ, so about 20-30 minutes from NYC. However, I think he is only there during the day, during the week. If you can't work with that schedule, if William lets me go back, I can grab you a 35 and stick it in my storage garage, but you will have to pick it up before the end of August (my rental price doubles starting in Sept, so I plan to have everything out before then). My garage is in Ho-Ho-Kus NJ, which is also about 20-30 minutes from NYC. But I have 24x7 access to the garage, and since I live about 10 blocks from it (and work about 10 blocks the other direction from it), I can meet you there pretty much any day or time for pickup. Of course, I have to figure out how to get a 35 back out of my van and into my garage all by myself... that will be a serious challenge. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 7/31/2002 2:01:18 PM Central Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a regular practice? Sellam Ismail Well, it's not old enough, but I finally had success in getting a Quadra 800 with PPC card up and running on my network and through the router for net access. Pretty neat machine. I presume earlier macs with ethernics and system 7.x would be similar. NOTE: if you use ASANTE NICs, I found out that they don't always like to establish a connection with a 100mb hub/router. To get this mac working, I had to plug it into a 10mb hub, and then into the router.

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Horse's ass

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Not really. According to http://www.railway.org/railroadgauge.htm, one of several railroad gauges used in England by George Stephenson, and the one that became popular in the US (over the objection, in a way, of President Lincoln, who proposed a 5' gauge), was based on a 5 foot spacing of cart wheels. Subtracting 2 inches for each rail gave 4'8". Stevenson later widened the spacing by 1/2" because (for unspecified reasons), that worked better. See also A.W. Worth's reported comments in http://www.spikesys.com/Trains/st_gauge.html; and http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000218.html -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:14 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OT: Horse's ass <snip> So it is not myth. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Some Great Finds Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well today was pretty good to me but I also missed some nice items at the auction. 1. A working Vectrex, console and one controller only no games with it. $5 2. A NES Stack-up cartridge for ROB the robot and it had the special Famicon board and Famicon-to-NES converter inside. $6 3. A Advanced Electronic Applications, Inc. Computer Patch Interface. It's a gray metal box with the following on the faceplate Filter - Tune - Var Shift - STBY/PTT - NORM - OFF/ON - PWR light. Under the Filter title are three buttons named VAR - 170 - CW. It's a model CP-1 and on the back are lots of phono ports. Anyone have info on this unit? 4. Got several books, generic pc's such as 386 and P166's, some 14" monitors, and some ink jets all for $10.

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Fwd: Surplus 1-Philips 501 scanning electron microscope in DE, USA

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:49:58 -0400 (EDT) >From: Chaoying Ni <cni(a)udel.edu> >To: Microscopy(a)sparc5.microscopy.com >Subject: Surplus 1-Philips 501 with windowless EDS & 2-complete EDXA 9800 > system (detector and analyzer) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >The Microscopy ListServer -- Sponsor: The Microscopy Society of America >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- Send Email to ListServer(a)MSA.Microscopy.Com >On-Line Help http://www.msa.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------. > > >Hello listers, > >We have a Philips 501 with windowless EDS, both working before being >dismantled, and also a complete 9800 EDXA system. Free for non-profit edus >or orgs, or best offer to coms. Please send me inquiries off-line. Thanks! > >**************************************** >Chaoying Ni, PhD >201 DuPont Hall >The W.M. Keck Electron Microscopy Facility >College of Engineering >University of Delaware >Newark, DE 19716 > >(302) 831-8354 (O); -2318(L); -4545(Fax) >http://eml.masc.udel.edu >*****************************************

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a regular >practice? I have a shelf of Mac SE's (800k version) that I use for a Fax pool (either sending or receiving). Although they are not phsyically in use every day, they do spend more time hooked up and running than not. I also have a Mac Plus that I keep on the floor for working with old software and 400k/800k disks (400's aren't readable by my 6500, and 800s usually have problems on my 6500). Although that will probably be replaced by an SE FDHD eventually. I think I finally moved all my 68000 machines out of normal "human" use, but I might be wrong, knowing me, I have at least one more Plus or SE sitting at a remote office for word processing duties. I know up until the end of June, I had an SE in active use for writing letters and doing spreadsheets (we closed the location it was at, so now it is on the floor in hall outside my office) And of course, my firewall/nat router is a IIsi right now. And then there is my LC 520 that is acting as a music on hold server for my phone system (kept frying CD players, so now I play quicktime rips off the LC). I'm not sure if I have any other 020 or 030 machines in regular use (but I have LOTS in occasional use as needed) And I have MANY MANY 040's still in service for daily use, and I think all of them are pre-1990. These are all still used at work for daily tasks, and serve as many an employee's primary (and usually only) computer. As well as things like giving them to friends and family to do work on (my nephew LOVES the LC 575 I gave him to do his homework and use email). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Anyone using their old Mac?

by Marion.Bates＠Dartmouth.EDU

--- Sellam Ismail wrote: Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a regular practice? --- end of quote --- Dunno if it falls within the time frame exactly, but I still use a Color Classic and/or SE/30 for writing papers when I wanna be alone upstairs, listening to music or whatever. The old Macs are connected to the G4 network downstairs via a really long phone cord and a localtalk-ethernet bridge, so I transfer files over AppleShare that way when I want to email/print stuff. There's something about that 9-inch screen I used throughout middle and high school (Mac Plus in that case) -- it just gets the creative juices flowing somehow. :) I also use that same Mac Plus for old games, but I think that's borderline "use" in this context. -- MB

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Fortran Coding Form Pads...

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > The physical dimensions of the punched cards were chosen to match dollar > > bills, so that the processing hardware could make use of existing > > Are you sure? A punch card is a bit larger than a dollar bill. US dollar bills were bigger in Hollerith's day. -Frank McConnell

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Teletypes (more update)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>That did it for me were are these 35's and can I make the drive there in one >day from Houston Texas? The 35's are in Paterson NJ... and you can make the drive in one day if you drive REALLY REALLY REALLY fast (but make sure to take all fire arms OUT of your car before you make it to Paterson... having them will only encourage the locals to shoot you first) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well I carried a 33 down a ladder in a barn with the 33 above my head.. and this was one with the full stand attached... I'm not saying it was an enjoyable experience, but I did pull it off.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Some punch card information

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Pictures of punch cards http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.fourmilab. ch/documents/univac/cards.html About hollerith http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blhollerith.htm When I worked for the state of Missouri in 1976-1977 they still manually sorted punch cards. There were card sorters that sorted the cards and dumped them into hoppers based on the punch that was selected. Thanks Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu P.S. I'm the other CC member in Kansas City area.

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Teletypes (more update)

by mythtech＠mac.com

>> There still are 35s. > >Am I correct in assuming that these are about twice as wide as a 33? > >Am I correct in assuming that these would be much more difficult and >expensive to ship UPS? The 35's that William pointed out to me were yes, very large and easily twice the size of a 33. They would definitly have to go on a pallet and be freighted from the looks of them (granted, I am ignorant in shipping something like this, and ignorant about teletypes, so maybe they can be broken down and boxed up in peices... but from the general look, it looks like it would be the equivlent of trying to ship a small metal desk). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Teletypes (more update) (William Donzelli)

by mross666＠hotmail.com

>For the record, one known 33 is left (other than the new one). This may >change - even today a 33 was uncovered in a place I was not aware of. > >There still are 35s. In fact, no one has expressed interest in them yet >(oddly). > >William Donzelli I'm certainly up for a 33 and a 35. And I can pick up, if they're local to NYC... Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Things to do in Kansas?

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Hi. It looks like I'm going to be in Overland Park (South end of KC?), Kansas next week. Are there any Classic Computing "must-see" places? any CCmp denizens? I'm flying, and working 7-6 every day, so I can't bring any PDPs or do any all-day treks, but I'd be up for meeting anyone who shares this obsession, err, hobby. Last time I was in Denver I got to meet Emanuel and Bill, and had a great time with them. It's nice having a face and a voice to go with the .sig. Doc

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Anyone near Kingsport, TN?

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

Is there anyone here on the list located near Kingsport, TN? I've been offered a huge pile of SGI IRIS boards, but I'm not sure that shipping will be feasible for them. They are likely to end up in a landfill otherwise... -Toth

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Wanted WD-100x disk controllers -- NOT for ISA bus

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Eric, You should see http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2042604088 There is a WD-1002-SHD manual in that lot. Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Monroe Calc gone

by jpl15＠panix.com

Gawd but youse guys is a buncha Vultures! ;} The Monroe Calculator has been Spoken For - thanks and 'sorry!' to the others who have responded or who have yet to respond. I wonder if I'd put it on Ebay - maybe I'd be able to think about that Cessna Twin I want... Cheerz John

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VAX 11/730 Problem

by ms＠silke.rt.schwaben.de

Hello to all VAXenfolks, i do have a problem with a VAX-11/730 that i have reconstructed (cleaned, resoldered, replaced cable, everything. Pictures on www.vaxcluster.de. Yes, i am a bit proud of it... But sorry for the bad web-page design!) over the last few months. It is now willing to boot and tries to load it's microcode tape from the TU-58 drives. I even have a microcode tape which looks like it could be still readable. But the TU-58's are so battered that i have not been able to read the tape. I have repaced the rubber rollers, but the read/write-heads look, ummm, bad! I have found somewhere some TU-58 simulator software for DOS which looks like a promising alternative; i would place a mini-DOS-computer inside a VT-102 and route some additional cables to the VAX and bee fine. BUT: How do i get the contents of the microcode tape of the tape, into a DOS file without access to a working TU-58? Is someone on this list able to read the tape? Has someone already made a tape image i could just use? I mean, i have a original DEC tape, with serial number and all. I might even come up with a license document, if i search long enough... Any help would be greatly welcomed. This old lady is just to beautifull to use it as an electric heater only... Thank you ms -- Michael Schneider email: ms(a)silke.rt.schwaben.de Germany http://www.vaxcluster.de People disagree with me. I just ignore them. (Linus Torvalds)

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PDP-11/70 systems available - Williamsport, PA

by mythtech＠mac.com

Dang... I really need to get a house. I would drive to Williamsport, and thanks to all the PDP talk on this list, I am getting this itch to own one to see what all the fuss is about. But there is no way I would be able to have one in this rental shanty. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Fwd: Latest release of PDP-11 field guide available

by lists＠subatomix.com

YES! Thank you, Megan! My screams of joy have just woke the neighbors! ---------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Megan To: info-pdp11 Date: Monday, July 29, 2002, 7:38:44 PM Subject: Latest release of PDP-11 field guide available Contrary to opinion... I have been working on the field guide... The latest copy has corrections supplied by various people as well as new entries. It can be found at http://world.std.com/~mbg/pdp11-field-guide.txt For those who carry mirrors of it, please send me email so that I can put you on a list to obtain new copies as soon as I make them available. Please supply the URL where your copy can be found. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) | | Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) | | Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ---------- End forwarded message ----------

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WTD: 6502, 6522, etc CPU and support ICs

by philpem＠dsl.pipex.com

Hi, I'm currently trying to build up a 6502-based SBC but - in true Sod's Law fashion - my supplier has dumped the entire 6502 CPU series, despite the fact they're still made by California Micro Devices. Anyone (preferably in the UK) got a few spare MOS Technology, Rockwell, Synertek or CalMicro 6502 ICs? I've also seen some photos of 6502 chips with a "VTI" logo - probably VLSI Technology; anyone ever seen one of these? There is a photo of one on http://65c02.tripod.com/ - see "SBC-1 Hardware", first photo (right at the top). If anyone with spare stock of 6502s and/or 6502 support ICs could e-mail me offlist with prices, I'd be very grateful. Thanks. -- Phil. philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/

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Powerbook 145 to a good home

by vcf＠siconic.com

Respond to the sender <Hans(a)nabear.com>. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:21:04 -0400 From: Hans Callenbach <Hans(a)nabear.com> Subject: powerbook 145 I have an old working powerbook 145... trying to not send it to the trash heap... are you interested, if not can you suggest someone? Also, an old 28 powerport modem and a working laser writer pro printer. Many thanks, Hans -- Hans Callenbach Art Director North American Bear Co., Inc. 902 Broadway 20th floor New York, NY 10010 212-388-0700 fax 388-0089 -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Synertek 6502 chips, 1984 date-code

by archer＠topnow.com

I have some Synertek NMOS 6502s from various weeks in 1984, still in their (original?) Synertek static tubes. (At least, "Synertek" is stamped on the tubes.) A few "boy are these stupid" questions: 1. Does anyone have any cool Synertek lore they'd like to share with the group? All I know about them is they made the SYM-1 and were a 6530 second-source. I guess it's safe to conclude they were also a 6502 second-source. :) 2. Is this a "Find" in any sense? (I paid all of 30 cents each for them.) My motivation is to have enough replacement parts to keep all my 6502-based hardware humming for years to come. Though in this case I have several lifetimes' worth. :) 3. Is there any reason to fear that these chips will "go bad" at any significant rate as they age? Is there any way I could store them (reasonably, I mean, no vaccum or outer-space suggestions, please. :) to maximize their lifespan? My plan is to come into work some evening and suit up with the full anti-static treatment at an EMI bench with my little SBC (retrofitted with a 40 pin ZIF socket to avoid bending their machine-straight little legs), and test them all in rapid-fire succession. Is there anything inherently dumb about powering them up? Okay, well enough dumb questions. Just looking for any comments on any of the points, as the spirit moves you. :) -- Ross

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An Apple //e and (2) Apple //c systems to good home

by vcf＠siconic.com

Please reply directly to the sender. Reply-to: <edmor(a)gist-image.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:44:02 -0400 From: EdMorcaldi <edmor(a)gist-image.com> To: vcf(a)siconic.com Subject: Donation I would like to donate my Apple //e system -- no charge. It has an Applied Engineering card for memory expansion. Can you use it? I would be willing to ship it. Also have 2 Apple IIci systems that I would like to give away. -- Ed Morcaldi System Administrator GIST Inc 203/479-7500 203/479-7575 FAX http://www.gist-image.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Wanted WD-100x disk controllers -- NOT for ISA bus

by aek＠spies.com

> Does anyone have any spare WD-1000, WD-1001, or related disk controllers, > or documentation on them? www.spies.com/aek/pdf/westernDigital

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PDP-11/70 systems available - Williamsport, PA

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Please contact Robert directly if you're interested. He's in Williamsport Pa (ZIP 17745) Bill ----- Forwarded message from "Villano, Robert" <rvillano(a)brodart.com> ----- From: "Villano, Robert" <rvillano(a)brodart.com> To: "'mrbill(a)pdp11.org'" <mrbill(a)pdp11.org> Cc: "Cunningham, Scott" <cunningh(a)brodart.com>, "Codispoti, Pete" <codispoti(a)brodart.com> Subject: pdp11/70 systems are available Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:51:58 -0400 Hello, I'm the network admin for the Books Division of Brodart Company, a library services company. I have been asked to find a home for our (3) pdp11/70 systems. I found your site on the internet and wanted to know if you or someone you know would be interested in getting them a home. If someone would contact me by phone would be perferable because to amount of equipment we have is quite extensive. equipment summary in brief: (3) pdp11/70 main computer chassis.... all were working when shut down although some for the dz11 and dh11 serial interfaces may not be completely functional. (3) la36 system consoles (working). (6) la120 decwriter stations (2 working) others for parts. (5) ra81 disk drives (3 working) others for parts. (4) te16 tape units (2 working) others for parts. Enough spare parts to almost build another pdp11 main backplane with power supplies quite abit of documentation. If you are interested please contact me here at Brodart. Thank you Bob Villano Network Administrator Books Division rvillano(a)brodart.com 570.326.2461 ext 6612 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- bill bradford / mrbill(a)mrbill.net / austin, texas ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm reminded of the day my daughter came in, looked over my shoulder at some Perl 4 code, and said, "What is that, swearing?" -- Larry Wall

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Things to do in Kansas?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:54:07 -0500 (CDT) the Doc wrote... > It looks like I'm going to be in Overland Park (South end of KC?), > Kansas next week. > Are there any Classic Computing "must-see" places? any CCmp denizens? > I'm flying, and working 7-6 every day, so I can't bring any PDPs or do > any all-day treks, but I'd be up for meeting anyone who shares this > obsession, err, hobby. Well... depends on yer definition of 'all-day' treks, and if yet 'Indiana Jones' card is up to date, but I (and the Computer Garage collection) now reside in Yates Center, which is a hundred miles (+/- 10~20) West of KC. The collection (having just completed its x-country trek) is stacked up in the warehouse, and I'm installing a computer-based scoring system in my Bowling Center which dates to the '80s (so its on topic) <G>, so there might be something of interest... Too bad you are not coming from William Donzelli's neck of the woods... I'd love to have one of those '35s he has been talking about. ;^} -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

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Wanted WD-100x disk controllers -- NOT for ISA bus

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

Eric Smith said: > Does anyone have any spare WD-1000, WD-1001, or related disk controllers, > or documentation on them? Yeah, I've got a couple of WD1002-05s, a couple of WD1002-HDOs from dead Kaypro 10s, a manual for the WD1002-05, and a manual for the WD1000. I can probably even find some of this stuff, as opposed to the Atari Portfolio stuff I promised someone a while ago. It'd cost you, though. Many years ago I sent you a couple of DECtapes with an OS/8 V3C distribution kit on them because you said you could read them with a DECtape to PC interface. It'd be nice to have those back. Or even better if you could get around to reading them and posting them somewhere for general download by the 12-bit community. -- Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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