- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>Sounds like just unseated chips, this was very common for this unit, I have >4 myself. Take off the cover and push in all the chips checking for >corrosion. After you remove the top you can remove the motherboard on its >mounting plate from the bottom. If you pull out the titan cards you also >remove the video bios. Unless you have the old chip to replace the chip >the cards are attatched to, you can't boot the machine. Apple recommended that when this started to occur, you picked the Apple /// a couple of inches off the table and dropped it to reseat the chips. I'm not suprised that they weren't the success Apple had wanted. :) Adam.

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Painting/Re-finishing computer cases...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Here is something new: I just read a newsgroup post about a (somewhat) poor soul who has gotten a PET 2001 with a rusty case looking for re-finishing/painting suggestions. I suggested he subscribe here and ask for help. Thinking about it this is a cool topic for discussion, has anyone re-painted their computer cases and what tips/suggestions do you have for us or what should we avoid (also got any good color schemes?). (I have a few 64s lying around that would look neat with a custom paint job, since they are plastic, what do you suggest? I remember a letter in one of the Commodore mags on how to remove and re-set the alphanumeric decals on a keyboard, maybe I sould spend half a day in the storage unit and find some of this stuff... :/ Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Apple III booting Irregularity

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Sounds like just unseated chips, this was very common for this unit, I have 4 myself. Take off the cover and push in all the chips checking for corrosion. After you remove the top you can remove the motherboard on its mounting plate from the bottom. If you pull out the titan cards you also remove the video bios. Unless you have the old chip to replace the chip the cards are attatched to, you can't boot the machine. ---------- > From: Rob Bedeaux <bede0005(a)garnet.tc.umn.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Apple III booting Irregularity > Date: Thursday, September 18, 1997 2:39 PM > > Hi all::: > > Just acquired an Apple III with 256k ram and a Titan III + IIe board. > When I power it up I get a beep and the ram test begins. After this the > screeen fills with text, sits for a minute and then goes back to the ram > test. If I hit the reset button, it will boot up. Is this normal. If I > tried pulling out the Titan cards, but then it doesn't even get that far > (Just some hires graphics giberish.) Is the 6502 on the titan board? > Finally, I read somewhere that you can replace the 6502 on the titan card > with a 65c02 for enhanced //e support. Any ideas if this is fact or > fallacy? > > rob

28 years, 6 months

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Computer Pricing

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>What irks me slightly about the Old Computer Auction Web is their slogan >"Setting values for antique computers". They are trying to put >themselves in a very lofty position with this slogan. Trying to set the >value of ANY collectable is impossible since there are shortages of one >thing vs. surpluses of another in different parts of the country or the >world. Like, I can go pick up an Apple //e any weekend for $5-$10, >whereas someone in Iowa or South Carolina (no offense meant, just trying >to pick some states where one wouldn't readily be able to find an Apple >//e, I have no clue if these states are appropriate or not) or Europe >cannot readily find a //e. Conversely, someone in the UK can easily find >a Sinclair Spectrum or someone in France can find an Oric without too >much trouble while it would be next to impossible to find one in the states. If you think that is a problem, try collecting in Australia. :) Pretty much no competition for old computers (as far as I know I am one of only two serious collectors in the state), but also almost no systems. Everything seems to be in the US, but here the only common computer seems to be the C64. So the values are horribly confused. On the plus side, and awful lot of people are willing to give away their computers, as there is nothing else to do with them. That's how I got my Lisa, for example. When asked how much I think a given system is worth I invariably find myself in a quandry, as there are very few of them (whatever it may be) but also very, very few collectors. As an example, the Mac 128 I've seen from free to $200, with $50 being the most common, the Apple IIc ranges from $5 (I bought it) to $100, and the Amstrad CPC6128 goes from $7 to $150. All of this in the one city. How do you advise people how much their system is worth in that sort of climate? Mind you, I just picked up (last night) an Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer I for $20 - high, I thought, until you realise that it was new in box, never even plugged in. Adam.

28 years, 6 months

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Computer Pricing

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I agree and have been saving old ads, promotions give away's and the like. My library is very large and contains over 500 books. Keep computing ! At 03:12 PM 9/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Sam Ismail wrote: > >> AuctionWeb, but once I saw that my items (some old common computers and >> video game systems) were going for far more than I had anticipated, I >> didn't bother, not caring what bidder ended up with whatever high bid. > >I am starting to find the pricing for *some* of the older computers far more >than I had imagined. My suspicions are that the value of the older >computers is starting to rise as more and more people starting (finally!) >thinking about the history of these things. For instance, I had no idea the >Sol would go for the price it did although it seemed very complete. The Old >Computer Auction Web had some pricing that I thought high, but I am seeing >the same type of thing in other places. I still get given quite a bit of >stuff, but it is declining as I see more and more people looking at the 386 >as old :). > >One thing that does deserve some special consideration is the documentation >and advertising literature of the 70's and 80's. The other night, I got >what appears to be the first Radio Shack advertising brochure for the >TRS-80. THIS is the type of thing that is being thrown away without any >thought and we need to build some awareness that this stuff is equally a >part of history. I have talked to a number of people who told me they >cleaned out their files and got rid of this stuff <sigh>. > > > >

28 years, 6 months

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IBM 5120

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > A brief speculation on IBM numbering. 5123 is probably a derivative of > > 5120 in some sense. 5322, on the other hand, looks like a variety of > > System/32 (the 5320). System/32 begat System/34 (5340) begat System/36 > > (5360 = large, 5362 = desk side, 5364 = dekstop) begat AS/400 (I think). > > System/38 also fits in there somewhere (5380) so you would expect a > > System/23 to be called 5230. > > Close but it went S/32, S/34, S/38 -> AS/400 and S/36 -> AS/400 > The System/36 was a completely different line and incompatable with the > S/38. It was also developed after the S/38 (1983 compared to 1978 I > believe). The AS/400 is based on S/38 hardware but has the capability to > run S/36 software. (Actually the new AS/400's can be configed to run as > a S/36 actually running the S/36 operating system.) Interesting. I only once (I think) ever used a System/38, so I was not very familiar with it. But I used a S/34 a lot, and when I had to write software for a PC front end to a S/36, found the S/36 very similar from the user interface point of view. Also, the 5360 looked physically like a more modern 5340, complete with an updated version of my favourite floppy drive (23 disks in one drive!). Alas, I never found out what became of the old 5340 that I worked on (this was as a student before university) - when I went back for a vacation job, it had gone, and all the software had been moved to, you guessed it, another 5340! I also once posted to a newsgroup within IBM, "Is there a similar group for 5300 series minicomputers" which received the inexplicable reply, "The system/38 isn't a minicomputer." (The S/34 and S/36, in which I was interested, certainly were, so why wasn't the S/38? On the other hand, the PC graphics terminals 537X weren't.) The group did exist, but I never read it much in the end. Still, enough reminiscing. Does anyone know if there are any S/34 or even S/32 machines still around? I once had a short e-mail exchange with someone who might have been going to acquire a S/34 but AFAIK he never managed it. Philip.

28 years, 6 months

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Kaypro I & 4+88 software

by dastar＠crl.com

I have a friend that needs software for a Kaypro I and a 4+88 (I have never heard of this but he says he has one). Would Don Maslin have the system disks for these beasts? Or anyone else? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 6 months

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IBM 5120 info needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

third time trying to send this message ? I have a 5110 cpu unit but had to leave the drive unit and printer behind :( If you can get the 5120 it would be a great find for your collection. The data storage could be either 1.2 M or 2.4 M on the 8" floppies. The machine was announced in March of 1980 and was the successor to the 5100 and was based on the 5110 Model 3. Also Basic and APL are in ROM. Good luck with it. At 09:59 PM 9/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >My second job as a computer programmer put me in front of an IBM 5120. >It was a desktop model which incorporated a B&W monitor, keyboard, and >two 8" floppy drives in the main cabinet. > >In addition, there was an optional dual disk drive expansion unit which >contained two more 8" floppy drives. This unit was the size of a small >filing cabinet, and rolled on casters. > >There was also a wide carriage dot-matrix IBM printer with it. > >If I remember correctly, I believe BASIC was in ROM. When the computer >accessed the floppy drives, it shut the screen off for timing or speed, >resulting in a flashing screen that drove you batty by the end of the >day! IBM also produced a model 5110 which I believe was a similar >machine to the 5120. The machine was manufactured around 1979, and the >only thing it has in common with the original PC is the big red power >switch. From what I understood at the time, IBM basically disowned the >5120 when the PC became popular. > >I would like to approach my former employer to procure this machine for >my collection, but have been unable to find any info about it on the >web. Does anyone know how common/uncommon these units are? Any other >info would be much appreciated. > >Grant Zozman >gzozman(a)escape.ca > > >

28 years, 6 months

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Apple III booting Irregularity

by bede0005＠garnet.tc.umn.edu

Hi all::: Just acquired an Apple III with 256k ram and a Titan III + IIe board. When I power it up I get a beep and the ram test begins. After this the screeen fills with text, sits for a minute and then goes back to the ram test. If I hit the reset button, it will boot up. Is this normal. If I tried pulling out the Titan cards, but then it doesn't even get that far (Just some hires graphics giberish.) Is the 6502 on the titan board? Finally, I read somewhere that you can replace the 6502 on the titan card with a 65c02 for enhanced //e support. Any ideas if this is fact or fallacy? rob

28 years, 6 months

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Sanyo MBC-3000

by sinasohn＠crl.com

Anyone know anything about the Sanyo MBC-3000? It's a desktop (like a TRS-80 Model II, kinda) with a built-in monitor and two vertical 8" drives on the right. I think it's a CP/M machine, but I'm not sure. (All I found on the web was a place in Aus that can do data conversions.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 6 months

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PDP 11/34 rescue

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Already on this one...picking it up 10/3. I found out about it through my contact at Temple University. ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking ============================== Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:10:09 GMT From: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: RESCUE NEEDED! PDP-11/34 Message-ID: <342c70f8.856658289(a)mail.wizards.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks in the area of the University of Pennsylvania may be interested in the fact that there's a PDP-11/34 with loads o' goodies that needs rescue. Contact the person directly, please. I've included the text of their post to Usenet.

28 years, 6 months

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IBM 5120

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

On Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:59:50 Grant Zozman <gzozman(a)escape.ca> wrote: >>My second job as a computer programmer put me in front of an IBM 5120. >>It was a desktop model which incorporated a B&W monitor, keyboard, and >>two 8" floppy drives in the main cabinet. Sounds like an early Datamaster to me. I have a Datamaster (5123), but it has a green-screen, not a B&W one. Otherwise the description matches. As I understand the Datamaster, it really was the predecessor to the PC. It was desktop based, although you needed a large desk <g>. It had an ISA-like bus into which you could plug-in cards. My guess, from talking to someone who worked on the project, that it was a business machine (A/P, billing, word processing, etc.) that fell out of favor when IBM introduced the PC in 1981. The PC was 1/3 the size, probably 1/4 the weight, much faster, and used 5-1/4" diskettes. There are several Datamaster owners here who can fill in more about the actual specs. I don't use mine much because I have a blown ROM chip that prevents me from booting... ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking

28 years, 6 months

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IBM 5120 info needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I have a 5110 cpu unit but had to leave the drive unit and printer behind :( If you can get the 5120 it would be a great find for your collection. The data storage could be either 1.2 M or 2.4 M on the 8" floppies. The machine was announced in March of 1980 and was the successor to the 5100 and was based on the 5110 Model 3. Also Basic and APL are in ROM. Good luck with it. At 09:59 PM 9/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >My second job as a computer programmer put me in front of an IBM 5120. >It was a desktop model which incorporated a B&W monitor, keyboard, and >two 8" floppy drives in the main cabinet. > >In addition, there was an optional dual disk drive expansion unit which >contained two more 8" floppy drives. This unit was the size of a small >filing cabinet, and rolled on casters. > >There was also a wide carriage dot-matrix IBM printer with it. > >If I remember correctly, I believe BASIC was in ROM. When the computer >accessed the floppy drives, it shut the screen off for timing or speed, >resulting in a flashing screen that drove you batty by the end of the >day! IBM also produced a model 5110 which I believe was a similar >machine to the 5120. The machine was manufactured around 1979, and the >only thing it has in common with the original PC is the big red power >switch. From what I understood at the time, IBM basically disowned the >5120 when the PC became popular. > >I would like to approach my former employer to procure this machine for >my collection, but have been unable to find any info about it on the >web. Does anyone know how common/uncommon these units are? Any other >info would be much appreciated. > >Grant Zozman >gzozman(a)escape.ca > > >

28 years, 6 months

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RESCUE NEEDED! PDP-11/34

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Folks in the area of the University of Pennsylvania may be interested in the fact that there's a PDP-11/34 with loads o' goodies that needs rescue. Contact the person directly, please. I've included the text of their post to Usenet. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Path: Supernews69!Supernews73!supernews.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!207.172.3.52!feed1.news.erols.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!cattell.psych.upenn.edu!nachmias From: nachmias(a)cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Jacob Nachmias) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: PDP11/34 available Date: 14 Sep 1997 23:18:48 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Department of Psychology Lines: 92 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <5vhrco$uu7$1(a)netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cattell.psych.upenn.edu Xref: Supernews69 alt.sys.pdp11:2426 The assembled systgem is functioning perfectly. I am abandoning it in favor of newer computers. If you are interested in any part of it, plese send me e-mail or call. Jacob Nachmias nachmias(a)psych.upenn.edu 215 898-7523 ........................................................................ The following is mounted in one 7 ft DEC rack: +++Modules in PDP11/34 processor box+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ M7524-7 M7856 M7859 M9202-3 MB265-7 MS11L128KW +++Modules in expansion box++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ M7860 (3 boards) M7865 )2 boards) M7025 ++++Also one RK05 and one RKO5J I have manuals and engineering drawings for all of the above. In addition, I have several RKO5 diskpacks, a mountick rack for same, and numberous spare boards, as follows: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ M N7210 M8293 G938 M7257 M7254-6 M7680 M234 M9970 M7701 M7211 M920 M7702 M827 G180 MDB205905 G180 M792YB M7681 M7856 16K MOS UNIBUS MEMORY (4 boards) DEC P/N H-222A, SIZE 16K X 18 (375) (4 boards) M7700 G938 M7800YA M7720 LA36MPC M7860 M7728 A38MPC M7727 READ/WRITE CONTROL LA36 POWER BOARD (2 boards) M7856 (4 boards) KD11E-A CONTROL M7860 M8267 11/34 FLOATING POINT OPTION M7859 MB265 KD11EA DATA PATH DIGITAL PATHWAYS TCU100 M7762 RL11 CONTROLLER MD312 The following items are also available: RKO5J - partly cannibalized a second 7ft DEC rack 4 assorted DACs, 1 A/D unit, external (2K) buffer memory, 2 programmable attenuators (64 db in .5 db steps). 2 pulse generators/clocks 2 delay generators 1 LA50 printer Hewlett Packard 7221 (5 pen graphics plotter) (sofware to run it can be supplied) -=-=- <snip> -=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid -- kyrrin2-At-Wizards-Dot-Net "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

28 years, 6 months

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IBM Convertible Parts Needed and other Nifties

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-09-17 21:37:24 EDT, Mr Clifton put forth: << Received some fun free things today. I got an IBM Convertible that works but appears to have no ports for things like printers, serial, etc. What info can anyone give me about this machine and does anyone have the expansion chassis that apparently plugs on the back? >> I also have a pc convertible. pretty neat little machine. it had nothing built-in except for a modem, or at least mine does. ports were added by means on "wedges" you plugged in at the back of the machine. I have the serial/parallel adaptor as well as some kind of rca output video and pcjr style video output plugs. recently i just picked up the pc convertible printer that also attached to the back of the machine. my battery is bad, and my ac adaptor is dodgy so i need to fix that before i can really play with it. when everything is plugged in, the whole setup is about twice a long as normal, certainly doesnt fit on a desk well. I have the guide to operations, as well as extra floppy drives and a spare lcd. I can provide addtional info if need be. david

28 years, 6 months

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Lisa 2/5 Startup Problems

by adam＠merlin.net.au

I've got one of these too - beautiful computers, wonderfully engineered. >Opening up the case I saw one problem the four batteries need replacement, >and are starting to corrode. Any idea's on where replacements can be found? Always check for this. A very common problem is that the batteries corrode and kill the motherboard. >The button above the keyboard jack doesn't seem to function properly, it >lights up, but I can't turn the computer off using it, it simply resets it. Are you running it as a Mac XL or as a Lisa? Again, this is a common problem with the XL OS, and occurs on mine. Although not wise, I found switching it off at the power supply was the only solution. It does seem to work while booting up though - just not while in the OS. >However, if I go to the menu, and let it sit for a little while the light >comes on solid on the profile drive. I can then tell it to start from that >disk, then the screen goes dark, the profile disk whirrs a couple times >(the disk is nice and quite, moreso than a lot of more modern drives). Note that it takes a while for the ProFile to reach operating speed. Until the red light is on solidly, do not start your Lisa - wait until you get a solid light before turning it on. That should solve at least some of your problems. >Are there disk images of the boot disks available anywhere? I gather there >is a program on the Apple site >ftp://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/info-mac/disk/dart-153.hqx that will let you >create them, but I haven't had any luck searching. I would almost assume >they are on a Apple server somewhere since pre-System 7.1 MacOS, and the OS >for the Apple II is there. You should be able to get them, but I am afraid I know not where. However I had heard that Sun Remarketing had the OS for the Lisa, including the original Office 7/7, or whatever it was called. You should perhaps contact them. Adam.

28 years, 6 months

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Good week

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Hi everyone Had a good week so far and picked 8 Mac plus units for those of you who e-mailed me for one. I will go back and look at the date and time on each e-mail and contact you in that order to see if you are still interested in a unit. I also got 2 SE's with the 20 meg HD, one is the SE FDHD unit M5011 Vs the SE M5010 they even look different across the front. Got 2 SE's with just floppy drives. 2 apple 800k ext FD units M0131; 2 Hayes microcoupler units; 1 SummaSketch unit wit pen and power supply; IBM 8507 19' mono vga unit; Apple extended KBII; Triplet model 601 solid state v-o-m; 2 digital DECserver100's and 1 model 300 with manuals and software; CMS ext tape cartridge unit; EICO oscilloscope model 460; Panasonic video monitor model WV-950; and last a Catamount Ministreamer magnetic transport tape drie unit model 1052. And the weekend is not even close for my long trips out to the small towns. I'm doing my part to save as much as I can from the scrape bin. Keep computing !

28 years, 6 months

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IBM Convertible Parts Needed and other Nifties

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

There are a number of modules that plug into the PC Convertible. It's analogous to the PCjr "sidecars". I know that the following units exist: 1) a serial/parallel module; 2) a composite video output module for the PC Convertible Monitor; 3) a printer module; and 4) the battery module. Kai > ---------- > From: Anthony Clifton[SMTP:wirehead@retrocomputing.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 3:17 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: IBM Convertible Parts Needed and other Nifties > > > Received some fun free things today. I got an IBM Convertible that > works > but appears to have no ports for things like printers, serial, etc. > What > info can anyone give me about this machine and does anyone have the > expansion chassis that apparently plugs on the back? > > I also received two Commodore SFD-1001 drives (the IEEE-488 things > that > look like a 1541). Anyone have an IEEE adapter for a C64, etc? > > Thanks... > > Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime >

28 years, 6 months

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FW: Fellow seeking SOLace

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Saw this on Usenet, figured this would be the best place to lead him. Please reply direct if you can help. And no, I couldn't resist the pun. ;-) -=-=- <snip> -=-=- I am searching for a working SOL-10 or SOL-20 computer manufactured by Processor Technology. I am also looking for the Helios II disk drive unit and any software/manuals/cassettes which you may have. Very seriously interested. Jordan email to: rudermanjp(a)thegrid.net -=-=-

28 years, 6 months

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Model 100 Schematics

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 12:47 AM 9/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >A friend of mine and I both have TRS Model 100s with problems and I am >looking for schematics to the unit. If anyone has them for sale, cost of There's also the m100 mailing list, if you're not already on it. Kinda quiet, but in the past had lots of good info. It's hosted at Northernway (Roger Merchberger (which I'm sure I've misspelled) runs it now) and I'll bet you're going to ask for the address.... Send a message to <m100-request(a)list.northernway.net> with subscribe in the subject (I think) and a blank message to sign up. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 6 months

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Dumb Terminals

by dastar＠crl.com

I posted earlier this week about some dumb terminals a guy had for sale cheap. Well, I ended up acquiring the rest of the terminals and cables and stuff because Ralph wanted to get rid of them and couldn't hold onto them anymore. Whoever was working on a deal with Ralph, please e-mail me and I will honor whatever terms you guys came up with. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 6 months

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Altair Scans update

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:54:45, Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> wrote: >>Whatever happened to these? Well, I got the Zip disk from my firend and it contained all of what was in my original post (91mb). I made a backup of the disk onto 4mm tape and mailed to Bill Whitson, by now about 3 weeks ago, for him to post on the ftp server. I have not gotten positive confirmation from him whether or not he received the package that I sent (via priority mail). I presume that as soon as he has had a chance to look through the scans to verify the contents, he will post them. If anyone else needs them quicker, contact me off-list and I can arrange to have them sent to you (you provide the media). ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking

28 years, 6 months

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Lost Buys

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well it happened again I walked into the place today as far the eye could see there apples, mac II's, 19 inch apple mono moniters, vax units, hp vectra's, and lots of other items all sold or on hold at 5 bucks each. It all came in Monday afternoon after I left around 12:30pm. They say that another truck load will be in later this week and may camp out. Monday I did get a Polymorphic System 8813 with keyboard, a Zenith model 14ZdC3, HP III laser, and a Bernoullibox II all for $5 each. Well back to testing the units from last week.

28 years, 6 months

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help request sent last night re: Unisys/wrong name systems

by wpe＠interserv.com

Sorry all... Due to a cramp in brain cell #2, Convergent came out as Congruent... Will -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

28 years, 6 months

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Altair scans update

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Whatever happened to these? thanks Kai > ---------- > From: Richard A. Cini, Jr.[SMTP:rcini@classic.msn.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 5:31 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Altair scans update > > For those who have asked... > > The Altair scans are ready to post, I just have to ZIP them up and > send the > tape to Bill Whitson. Does anyone have his physical address?? > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Rich Cini/WUGNET > <rcini(a)msn.com> > - ClubWin Charter Member (6) > - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking >

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Fw: No more Free Apple ///s

by thedm＠sunflower.com

at least they werent trashed. ---------- > From: John David Rose <chernoff(a)hargray.com> > To: thedm(a)sunflower.com > Cc: quantum(a)telis.org; ;;;jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com;; ;;;jbcole(a)ix.netcom.com;; ;;;towad(a)aol.com;; ;;;Zhiyuan(a)world.net.att.net;; ;;;Yertzell(a)worldnet.att.net;; ;;;warpig(a)mindspring.com;; ;;;peterb(a)revealed.net;; ;;;jac(a)openix.com;; ;;;glee(a)millcomm.com;; ;;;MichaelGoe(a)aol.com;; ;;;gmast(a)polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu;; ;;;shack(a)frii.com;; ;;;tnguyen(a)UDel.Edu;; ;;;bucho(a)magpage.com; > Subject: No more Free Apple ///s > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 12:50 PM > > Thank you for your response and interest in the Apple ///s. We received an > immediate response from a school for disadvantaged youngsters within an > hours drive of our office. They have already come and picked up the gear, > and they have a greatly experienced computer guy to help them set them up. > Sorry, but great for them. > > JD >

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Fw: No more Free Apple ///s

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

Can't think of a better or more deserving place for them, maybe these kids will grow up to appreciate computers as wonderful tools rather than the 'appliances' the industry would try to push on us. At 12:54 PM 16/09/97 -0500, you wrote: >at least they werent trashed. > >---------- >> From: John David Rose <chernoff(a)hargray.com> >> To: thedm(a)sunflower.com >> Cc: quantum(a)telis.org; ;;;jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com;; >;;;jbcole(a)ix.netcom.com;; ;;;towad(a)aol.com;; ;;;Zhiyuan(a)world.net.att.net;; >;;;Yertzell(a)worldnet.att.net;; ;;;warpig(a)mindspring.com;; >;;;peterb(a)revealed.net;; ;;;jac(a)openix.com;; ;;;glee(a)millcomm.com;; >;;;MichaelGoe(a)aol.com;; ;;;gmast(a)polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu;; >;;;shack(a)frii.com;; ;;;tnguyen(a)UDel.Edu;; ;;;bucho(a)magpage.com; >> Subject: No more Free Apple ///s >> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 12:50 PM >> >> Thank you for your response and interest in the Apple ///s. We received >an >> immediate response from a school for disadvantaged youngsters within an >> hours drive of our office. They have already come and picked up the >gear, >> and they have a greatly experienced computer guy to help them set them >up. >> Sorry, but great for them. >> >> JD ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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MV-II or PDP?

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

You wrote... >I have just got a 'new' computer over the weekend. It was advertised as >a MicroVAX II with 2xRA81, 8Mb, and tape drive. >It has VMS 5.x on one of the RA81s and Ultrix on the other. It looks >like the picture in the Digital manuals of a MicroVAX II 630 (tall rack >unit with RA81 at top and bottom with the processor modules in between), >however it was only when I got it home that I saw the badge above the >On/Off switch which says "Digital PDP11/83". <snip> It's a MicroVAX II. MicroPDP's cannot boot or run VMS (that I know of) due to a different CPU. What's most likely happened is, somewhere along the line, somebody had a PDP-11/83 in that box, then pulled out the CPU and memory cards and replaced them with MicroVAX equivalents. You can easily do this, as the box, power supply, and backplane are compatible with either CPU. As an example: If I were to pull some spare 11/73 cards out of my stash, and replace the MV-II boards in my VAXStation II/GPX with them, said VAXStation would suddenly become an 11/73. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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MicroVAX II or PDP 11?

by pjoules＠coleg-powys.ac.uk

I have just got a 'new' computer over the weekend. It was advertised as a MicroVAX II with 2xRA81, 8Mb, and tape drive. It has VMS 5.x on one of the RA81s and Ultrix on the other. It looks like the picture in the Digital manuals of a MicroVAX II 630 (tall rack unit with RA81 at top and bottom with the processor modules in between), however it was only when I got it home that I saw the badge above the On/Off switch which says "Digital PDP11/83". When VMS starts it says VAX/VMS Version 5.x (can't remember the minor version number) and when Ultrix starts it reports that it is running on: MicroVAX II with FPU What have I got? By the way, the date stamped on all of the cases and labels is in 1988 if that helps. Can anyone tell me anything about it? -- Regards Pete #include <std_disclaimer>

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Rescue needed!!!

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Do we have someone in the Carolinas that can contact this person and get these, I would LOVE one. I have emailed him saying will wil try to get someone out. But I havent heard a response. Bill G. Subject: Apple ///s FREE! From: chernoff(a)hargray.com (John David Rose) Date: 1997/09/15 Message-Id: <chernoff-1509971002150001(a)dial-08.r8.scptvl.infoave.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.usergroups [More Headers] We have five working, plus two for parts, Apple /// computers, complete with all utility disks, drivers, documentation, Cobol, Pascall, Basic, Word Juggler, Visicalc, Micro-Terminal programs, plus back-issues of "On-Three" magazine, plus three working impact printers. We hate to throw working equipment away. Can some computer tech school, lab, anyone take these off our hands before we simply have to junk them? Located in South Carolina. Send E mail message of interest to J.D. Rose at chernoff(a)hargray.com. thanks

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Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines

by thedm＠sunflower.com

It should be Convergent, Sperry, or Unisys. these boxes run CTOS/BTOS a VERY prioparatary OS that the only this series uses. If you need any help, I'll try, it's been 5 years since I touched one, but I used to run a 600 user network of them. ---------- > From: Alan Richards <alanr(a)morgan.ucs.mun.ca> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines > Date: Monday, September 15, 1997 11:08 PM > > At 07:12 PM 15/09/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > > I have a couple of systems given to me by an accountant friend. They > >bear a > >"Congruent" name plate, but the actual name on the S/N - Model # plate, > >is > >Unisys. At least one of them is a model CJ-5330-A12. While he was using > > > "Congruent"? I know Unisys aquired "Convergent" (in '88 i think) but I've > never heard of "Congruent". How old are these systems? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > The Man From D.A.D > ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Buy and Sell Antiques and Collectib

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 07:32 PM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >what the heck is this? i hope i dont have to see spam on this list! Yep, you guessed it, it's spam. > has opened its site at: http://www.acaonline.com. Best thing to do is avoid this site. If you really want to, spread a rumour saying they're crooked. > If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please If a reply actually reaches a valid address, you may indeed be removed from *this* advertiser's mailings. However, you will have provided the spam facilitator with a valid address for his other customers... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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FT: DEC Rainbow 100, printers

by sinasohn＠crl.com

I picked up two DEC rainbow 100's and I only need one (actually, I don't need either, but I'm keeping one anyway. Love them disk drives!) This is a desktop unit with a really cute monitor/keyboard. Dunno if they work, but you can have your choice. So, anyone have anything they want to trade for one? Portables preferred... Also, I got a Kaypro printer (Daisywheel, I think) and a DEC printer that looks like a typewriter without the keys. (I'd go look at it to get the model, but I'm supposed to be working... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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sorry about foulup

by davidv＠cs.mun.ca

just sent personal reply to group, and would like to apologize to all members of the listserv. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Vincent davidv(a)ganymede.cs.mun.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[?? Name of 70's toy computer]

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 07:19 AM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Here's one from the past: >What is the name of that toy mechanical digital computer >that was advertised in the back of many magazines and >catalogs like Edmunds Scientific and other tech hobby ones, >I believe in the early 70's. It was the size of a shoebox, >came unassembled, and had lots of moving parts. Sorry, >that's all I remember. But I think I saw one in the >Computer Museum in Boston several years ago. That would be the "DigiComp-1". Red plastic with slices of soda straws that you slip over tabs to "load" a program. Had one, lost it, would love to have one again... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Vintage Computer Festival Passes

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 08:51 PM 9/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >> > faces with names! Anyone up for a dinner get together Saturday night? > I am totally unfamilar with the area but I am sure we can find a place to >eat. My preference would be someplace reasonable quiet so conversation is >possible :). The VCF is in Pleasanton, about 25-30 miles east-southeast of San Francisco. Roughly at the intersection of Hwys 580 & 680. As to where to eat, there's a Black Angus there which is a (chain) steakhouse that's pretty good. My no-red-meat-girlfriend likes 'em. It may be noisy though, as some are meet markets on the weekends with dance floors and such. (There's also the Cadillac Ranch nearby, which is really loud, but is good for C/W line dancing.) I'm sure others (who are more local) can point out good places. (For SF, check out my list at: <http://www.crl.com/restrant.com>) Anyway, I'd be interested in dinner. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Lisa 2/5 Startup Problems

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, I just got a terrific addition to my collection of Apple computers. One slight problem though, either I'm doing something wrong, or else there is something wrong with it. Cosmetically it looks to be in good shape, the only thing I really notice on that mark is someone apparently tried to manually eject a floppy with something other than a paperclip. Opening up the case I saw one problem the four batteries need replacement, and are starting to corrode. Any idea's on where replacements can be found? The button above the keyboard jack doesn't seem to function properly, it lights up, but I can't turn the computer off using it, it simply resets it. I power it up with the Profile drive powered up and connected. It comes up and passes the diagnostics just fine, nice crisp, bright display. It then looks for a boot device, can't find it, and asks where to look or restart. I go to the menu to tell it where to look, and it fails to find it. However, if I go to the menu, and let it sit for a little while the light comes on solid on the profile drive. I can then tell it to start from that disk, then the screen goes dark, the profile disk whirrs a couple times (the disk is nice and quite, moreso than a lot of more modern drives). At this point it just sits there. I've left it in this state for several minutes, nothing. Even pressing the power button above the keyboard jack has no results (is this supposed to do anything?). If I press the reset button on the back, it reboots to the can't find startup device screen. Are there disk images of the boot disks available anywhere? I gather there is a program on the Apple site ftp://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/info-mac/disk/dart-153.hqx that will let you create them, but I haven't had any luck searching. I would almost assume they are on a Apple server somewhere since pre-System 7.1 MacOS, and the OS for the Apple II is there. Thanks for your time, Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines

by davidv＠cs.mun.ca

hmmm... got me At 02:08 AM 9/16/97 -0200, you wrote: >At 07:12 PM 15/09/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi, >> I have a couple of systems given to me by an accountant friend. They >>bear a >>"Congruent" name plate, but the actual name on the S/N - Model # plate, >>is >>Unisys. At least one of them is a model CJ-5330-A12. While he was using > > > "Congruent"? I know Unisys aquired "Convergent" (in '88 i think) but I've >never heard of "Congruent". How old are these systems? > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > The Man From D.A.D >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Vincent davidv(a)ganymede.cs.mun.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Time to part with part of the collection

by jruschme＠exit109.com

Gang, Our bid on a new house has been accepted and my wife and I have started the task of packing. In reviewing my own computer collection, it looks like it's time to part with a few pieces which are redundant or for which I really don't have the time anymore. Therefore, the following are free to a good home: 1. Perkin-Elmer (Concurrent) 7350, 2MB RAM, 320K floppy, 30MB HD, KB, mono monitor. This is a 68000-based Unix box, often used for instrument control. Runs IDRIS, Uniplus SystemIII, and/or MicroXELOS (Uniplus-derived SVR2) (currently installed). Comes with copious manuals (including service docs), OS disks (plus extra copies), and some applications software. 2. AT&T 3B2/310, 4MB RAM, 2x72MB HD, floppy. Includes EPORTS, tape, SCSI, and Ethernet cards. Also have additional tape and PORTS cards. Comes with full set of manuals adn OS diskettes. 3. Zenith Z-89. 64K RAM, hard-sector disk controller. 4. Apple //c (ROM 255). 128K RAM, includes power brick. 5. TRS-80 Model III. 48K, 2 floppies (may need speed adjustment), serial card installed. Works, but not the prettiest Model III. 6. TRS-80 Color Computer 2 (older version). 64K, Extended Color Basic. Works, but again not the prettiest. 7. Dead Compaq Portable (original). Motherboard dead, some sort of problem with power supply. KB and video find. Includes Video, Printer, and HD controller cards. Also includes all case pieces. May be useful for someone attempting to restore one. I'm located in Central New Jersey. I'd prefer not to have to ship, but will do so if someone is will ing to pay. For obvious reasons, the Perkin-Elmer and AT&T may be too much to ship. <<<John>>>

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Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 07:12 PM 15/09/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > I have a couple of systems given to me by an accountant friend. They >bear a >"Congruent" name plate, but the actual name on the S/N - Model # plate, >is >Unisys. At least one of them is a model CJ-5330-A12. While he was using "Congruent"? I know Unisys aquired "Convergent" (in '88 i think) but I've never heard of "Congruent". How old are these systems? ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Painting/Re-finishing computer cases...

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 08:26 PM 9/12/97 -0800, you wrote: > Thinking about it this is a cool topic for discussion, has anyone >re-painted their computer cases and what tips/suggestions do you have >for us or what should we avoid (also got any good color schemes?). (I >have a few 64s lying around that would look neat with a custom paint >job, since they are plastic, what do you suggest? There was someone on the m100 mailing list who took his m100 apart and spray painted the case. A neat idea (except he broke his screen while putting it back together.) It's something I'd like to do one of these days, if I get a spare 100. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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KMW Batch Protocol Converters

by sinasohn＠crl.com

Anyone know what these are? Best I can figure is they're maybe remote terminal servers for IBM 3278's or something? Anyway, I've got two of them, and I'm not sure I want to keep them. Anyone interested? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Info wanted, Congruent/Uniys machines

by wpe＠interserv.com

Hi, I have a couple of systems given to me by an accountant friend. They bear a "Congruent" name plate, but the actual name on the S/N - Model # plate, is Unisys. At least one of them is a model CJ-5330-A12. While he was using these, he was running an operating system called C-TIX which is supposedly strictly for accounting type applications, and, he claims, this is the only OS that will run on these. Anybody know any thing about these. This C-TIX looks alot like UNIX as far as OS commands... But... Any help anyone can give me on this, is more than greatly appreciated. AdvaTHANKSnce! Will -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

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Vintage Computer Festival

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I would love to attend the festival but I have used up all my vacation for the year. If can borrow from the next I will travel from MN to CA for it. At 02:21 AM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote: > >This request goes out to anyone who maintains a classic/antique/vintage >computer web page. > >Could I get you to add a link from your page to the Vintage Computer >Festival web page (URL below)? In return, I will list your page in the >links section of the VCF web page. > >Please reply directly to me if you are interested in helping me out. > > >Also, could I get a rough show of hands of those who are interested in >attending the Vintage Computer Festival? I'm trying to get an idea of >what the interest level is among fellow collectors for this type of >show. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also, your comments >and suggestions are welcome. Thanks! > > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > > >

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Computer warehouse liquidation

by pdp-11＠juno.com

As owner of a DEC PDP-11/23+ system, I know how difficult it can be to find hardware for older PDP-11's, as well as non-DEC computers and parts.. I'd like to inform you that I've found a terrific source in Utah for used computer hardware including DEC related items. This person has a 2400 sq ft warehouse (about 3 semi truck loads) quite literally brimming with computer hardware which has been collected and stored over the past 10 years. He is currently in the process of liquidating it at very, very low prices. Tons of miscellaneous computer equipment is available, much of which was manufactured by DEC. It would be impossible to list even a fraction of what he has available, but he has told me that his inventory includes approximately 1000 Q-Bus and Unibus boards, plus peripheral devices such as disk and tape drives. I've not been to the warehouse in person yet, but I will be visiting the site in about 2 weeks time from now. If interested, you should be aware that he is in the process of getting rid of EVERYTHING! It sounds like it will all be gone in the next 3 to 4 weeks. Opportunities like this very seldom come along, so please contact me via email if you are interested in finding out more. I'll be happy to forward to you, any needed information that I can. Please feel free to forward this notice to anyone you think might be interested. Best regards.

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Vintage Computer Festival

by dastar＠crl.com

This request goes out to anyone who maintains a classic/antique/vintage computer web page. Could I get you to add a link from your page to the Vintage Computer Festival web page (URL below)? In return, I will list your page in the links section of the VCF web page. Please reply directly to me if you are interested in helping me out. Also, could I get a rough show of hands of those who are interested in attending the Vintage Computer Festival? I'm trying to get an idea of what the interest level is among fellow collectors for this type of show. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also, your comments and suggestions are welcome. Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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discussion recollecting of classic computers

by 1439pipe＠inet.westshore.cc.mi.us

hey ill take them all how much for shipping

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PET FAQ On-Line...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

After many months of hard-procrastination I have finally put my PET FAQ on-line. Those of you interested can check it out directly by going to: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/petfaq.html or you can check out the FAQ as well as my other Commodor 8-bit www pages by going to the url below. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Buy and Sell Antiques and Collectib

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

what the heck is this? i hope i dont have to see spam on this list! david In a message dated 97-09-13 08:22:25 EDT, you write: << Hello, We are writing you because you appeared to be interested in antiques and collectibles and that is what we are all about, the buying and selling of antiques and collectibles in an auction environment. We are a new family oriented auction company that has opened its site at: http://www.acaonline.com. IMPORTANT: If you do NOT wish to receive future information about our company or updates, simply reply to this e-mail message with the word "delete" and please accept our apologies for the intrusion. However, if you are interested, please read on and "Enter our World". Whether you are a BUYER or SELLER we invite you to join the fun. BUYERS Our service is ABSOLUTELY FREE for buyers. Come and register with us and have fun bidding online. We give you the feel of a real auction! Current auctions include: Hummels, Lladro, Clocks, Advertising Tins & Signs, Pottery, China, Depression Glass, Civil War and other photography, Elegant Glassware, Hallmark, Precious Moments, Tools, Cookie Jars, Jewelry and much more. SELLERS This is not only a great opportunity to sell your items, but to advertise YOUR WEB SITE. Whenever you post an item up for auction on ACA Online, you can put a link in the items description area that points back to your page. That's FREE advertising for you! We welcome any comments and suggestions. Thank you for taking the time to read our information! ********************************************************** Click here now to visit us: http://www.acaonline.com ********************************************************** ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you from their future mailings. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // >>

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Painting/Re-finishing computer cases...

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

> > "Hammertone" finish has been popular on electronic equipment going back > > to the 1910's, at least. (Earlier stuff often used a far more > > extreme "wrinkle" finish.) Not only does it reduce glare off an > > instrument's surface, but it also hides small manufacturing defects > > a lot better, too :-) > > Wrinkle finishes seem to have mostly died out near 1960 or so. The only > (production) computer I have seen in wrinkle finish is the outer case of a > Packard Bell 250. Yea but wrinkle still looks cool, it's just not as tough. Mostly 50's stuff. Hammertone is easy to do also. It's available in spray or regular cans (which I spray). The formula has been changed to meet newer standards but it looks good and is easy to apply. I even matched the color on some 50's gumball machines I restored a few years ago. They're on my web page. > The textured finish found on more modern stuff (sometimes called a > splatter finish, as the first coat is splattered on with a purposely > crummy airbrush setup) can be restored quite easily, unlike wrinkle > finishes. For small (or big, if you are patient) bare spots, all one must > do is match the color of the paint at the paint shop, then manually apply > the texture with a toothpick or swab. For larger jobs, you could try a > badly done airbrush job. After the texture has dried, a smooth coat is > then applied to cover the whole repair and blend the new and existing > paint (an airbrush is a must for this job). The color will match, but most > likely the new paint will be duller than the old paint. This may be > acceptable to some, but if not, the new paint can be slowly buffed to the > proper sheen. We used to touch up that type of finish at work (way back in the 70's, yikes!). We used a piece of sponge or foam rubber and dabbed it on. That can help blend it in and minimize mismatch. Worked great. Toothpicks, etc work fine for smaller areas. The trick is to match the color or it'll stand out like a sore thumb. The glossiness can also affect the job. Buffing is hard to do because of the texture. Maybe I'm getting too picky here but you get the idea. They do make splatter guns and there are always the commercial coatings guys that can do it but that could be expensive. I'd say if you want it matched, take it down to the auto paint shop and have them match the color. Ask if they can match the glossiness (??) and if they can't, buy some additive and do it yourself. Probably easier to find something close and spray the whole thing. The "crummy airbrush setup" might work but it'll take some time. I find that learning the process and doing the job is the best part of the whole thing. Greg http://www.calpoly.edu/~gmast/

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Vintage Computer Festival

by ccm＠sentex.net

You've done well Luke Skywalker. This is an effective announcement and good use of the web for current list of speakers. What about newsgroups? Who is sending this announcement to them and which ones? How about funding? What do you think? You're doing a good overall job. All good things start small. No matter who or how many attend, you will be able to say you did it. Mind you, the bills must be paid. Please let me tell you a short story. I thought we had a great idea for a fund-raiser for the COMMPUTERSEUM. We would hold a public viewing of Triumphs of the Nerds complete with door prizes and lots'o fun (picture this: the ticket numbers were printed in binary, octal, and hex yet the door prize numbers were called out in decimal, so to win you first had to convert!). We called it Nerd Night, got lots'o publicity, a nice theater on campus at the University of Waterloo (perhaps you've heard of it by its nickname - Microsoft U.). Everyone said what a great idea, ha, ha Nerd Night in a city of nerds - we called it a Nerdly Celebration, PBS gave us a free copy of Triumph and permission to use it to raise funds. Everything pointed towards success...little did we know...At the appointed time the theater was empty soon three people showed up. Gee wiz, $30 in receipts. Oh well more will come, we thught, so we started the film. Suddenly it occured to me; if we show the film thereby renting the theater and no one else comes we'll lose money. So in the dark I stoped the VCR and when the lights came on explained the situation to the audience and offered to let them borrow the tapes and return their money. Everyone understood and agreed, two borrowed the tapes, all three left their money with the COMMPUTERSEUM. A failure? Perhaps, but we learned and probably all sorts of people think a Nerd Night was held in Waterloo, Ontario., well hey, it did. It's on record. Take care ace Kevin > > > Announcing the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival! > ------------------------------------------------------ > >Mark your calendars! The first ever public celebration of vintage >computers will take place at the Alameda County Fairgrounds in Pleasanton, >California this October 25th and 26th. > >The Vintage Computer Festival (VCF) is the first event of its kind >anywhere in the world. This two day festival will feature presentations >and workshops by notable computer industry figures and vintage computer >hobbyists. There will also be an on-site, hands-on vintage computer >exhibition. Experiment with the classic computers of yesteryear! > >Each year a computer from the past is placed in the Vintage Computer >Spotlight. This year we focus on the Apple ][. To celebrate the 20th >anniversary of this classic, we will be giving away an original Apple ][ >personal computer! Each person who attends the VCF is automatically >entered into the drawing! > >Both seasoned and new computer collectors will enjoy workshops and >panels to share ideas and learn about finding, acquiring, restoring, >and enjoying vintage computers. > >The VCF also features the Vintage Computer Flea Market. Find those old >computers, peripherals, manuals, and programs you've been looking for! >The flea market is the ideal way for new comers to the field to start >their own collection or for seasoned collectors to add to their existing >stash. > >Celebrate the good old days of computing! Attend the First Annual Vintage >Computer Festival!!! > > > When: October 25-26th, 9:00AM - 5:00PM daily > > Where: Alameda County Fairgrounds, Pleasanton, California > >Admission: Pre-registered ($SAVE$) > > Individual: $15 > Family: $24 (two adults and four children) > > Benefits of pre-registration include: > > o Access to speakers, workshops, flea market and > exhibition > o Pre-paid parking > > To pre-register, send a check or money order to: > > Vintage Computer Festival > 4275-29 Rosewood Drive #161 > Pleasanton, California 94588 > > Please make checks payable to "Vintage Computer Festival" > > > At-the-door > > o Speakers, Workshops, Flea Market and Exhibition > > Individual: $10.00 > Family: $16.00 > > o Flea Market and Exhibition only > > Individual: $5.00 > Family: $10.00 > > Please note: "At-the-door" rate is for a one day pass > only and does not include parking. > > >For more information including the latest list of speakers and workshops >please check out: > > http://www.siconic.com/vcf > >or send e-mail to: > > mailto:vcf@siconic.com > > > SEE YOU AT THE VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL!!! > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > >

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Intellivision stuff claimed!

by wpe＠interserv.com

Hello Everyone, Allison Parent has taken over custody of the Intellivision stuff.. Will -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

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Buy and Sell Antiques and Collectib

by darrellg＠mail.dngsolutions.net

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Here we go AGAIN!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I finally got the '44 to it's (so far) permanent location, and I'm trying to get it all back together, minus the rack (Looking for someplace to put it, it's too bug to get up 8 floors!). I may try anyway... The problem is, I have to get everything in ONE ba11 (Due to lack of power). So, I have no massbus stuff, and I only need 16 com ports for now, so I got 2 DZ11s, the processor, the UDA50, and 1.75MB of RAM into the processor box. My test was to fire it all up, and do "b du0" and UDA50 would wait forever for the RA81 to answer. The RA is still down in my car (I get to unload it myslef - oh boy!) and I can't bring it up yet. Anyway, everything powers up, but when I try to get it to boot, I get to wait about 5 seconds, then I get $20 MPC=15 (I think the $ may have been something else) This (According to the manual) means "the processor started a transfer, but it timed out". Do I have to play with the backplane to get the new config to work? I have NPG cards in everything that's empty. The UDA50 strobes like it's supposed to... The bus is laid out like this: +-----+----+---------+ | | | PRCSSR | | RH11| DZ | | |MBUS | | | +-----+----+---------+ That's then way it WAS. The UDA50 is where the DZ was, the DZ moved to the RH11 area, because when the UDA50 was there, it said the CPU was halted. (All the lights were on) I have an M950 joining the CPU to the UDA, and an M9500 (I think) joining the UDA to the DZs. And the bus IS terminated! I also have NPG plugs on the M950 and M9500. Also: There appears to be a Road Runner (Real, not the animated one) etched on the the 2nd UDA50 card, bu the name. Anyone know anything about that?

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RD52 drive geometry

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Hello, all: How do I determine the drive geometry for a DEC drive? If you've been following my uVAX thread, I need to reformat my external RD52 drive. I've looked in my various PC references and can't find a Quantum drive with a similar capacity. TIA! >========================================> Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> MCP Windows 95 and Windows Networking, Charter ClubWin! Member (6) and a collector of classic computers

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Painting/Re-finishing computer cases...

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

The Obsolete Computer web site has some good tips on case repair and in the FAQ section of classiccmp are some good tips. At 08:26 PM 9/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >Here is something new: > > I just read a newsgroup post about a (somewhat) poor soul who has >gotten a PET 2001 with a rusty case looking for re-finishing/painting >suggestions. I suggested he subscribe here and ask for help. > > Thinking about it this is a cool topic for discussion, has anyone >re-painted their computer cases and what tips/suggestions do you have >for us or what should we avoid (also got any good color schemes?). (I >have a few 64s lying around that would look neat with a custom paint >job, since they are plastic, what do you suggest? > > I remember a letter in one of the Commodore mags on how to remove and >re-set the alphanumeric decals on a keyboard, maybe I sould spend half a >day in the storage unit and find some of this stuff... :/ > > Larry Anderson >-- >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ >Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > >

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FW: For Sale

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Received this last night. Three questions: 1). What's an Osborne Executive? 2). What's it worth? 3). Is anyone interested? If so, please contact the guy directly. This one, personally, I'm not much interested in at the time. Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >Priority: Normal >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >To: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net >From: "pro" <pro(a)goes.com> >Subject: For Sale >Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 11:01:39 PDT > >We have an Osborne Executive, excellent condition, complete with cables, >manuals, and software. Make offer? Thanks. > >Paul R. Ogushwitz, Ph.D. >PRO Scientific Consulting, 303 Center Street, Hackettstown, NJ 07840 >Phone 908-850-1636 >Email pro(a)goes.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Follow-up PS320

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Still waiting to hear what the code numbers 554 mean that I get on the Powerstation 320 from IBM ?? As Isaid before it boots up to this number but I get no video on the monitor it's a IBM 6091-19 that came with the 320. Would like to get some documentation on this machine if anyone would like trade or sell.

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Follow-up PS320

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Thanks for your input on the problem and I will try the install as soon as I get a copy of AIX. THANKS At 05:53 PM 9/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >>Still waiting to hear what the code numbers 554 mean that I get on the >>Powerstation 320 from IBM ?? As Isaid before it boots up to this number but >>I get no video on the monitor it's a IBM 6091-19 that came with the 320. >>Would like to get some documentation on this machine if anyone would like >>trade or sell. > >Hi, >I was able to look this one up at work today. Basically it's complaining >about one of two things. The first cause is that it can't boot off of the >disk, the second is if it had been connected to a network, that it can't >find NFS Swap space. My guess would be the second, after all how many >people bother to wipe disks? No idea how to fix it, the best bet would be >a clean install of AIX. > >BTW this is a RS/6000 machine. > > Zane > > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | >+----------------------------------+---------------------------+ >| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | > > > >

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Follow-up PS320

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Thanks for the follow-up answer and I will see if I can get a copy of AIX >from some where. At 07:02 PM 9/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >> Still waiting to hear what the code numbers 554 mean that I get on the >> Powerstation 320 from IBM ?? As Isaid before it boots up to this number but >> I get no video on the monitor it's a IBM 6091-19 that came with the 320. >> Would like to get some documentation on this machine if anyone would like >> trade or sell. > >Version 1.3 of the "Diagnostics Programs: Operator Guide" does not list >554 as an error code. 553 is Phase 1 of IPL completed, and 558 means there >is not enough memort to complete the IPL. > >My guess is that 554 means that the IPL aborted for some reason, as if >someone wiped out the disk. During the last half of the IPL, numbers >between 700 and 999 should be seen. > >I assume that this 554 comes up after a few minutes of booting. Generally, >all of the BIST (Built In Self Test) stuff occurs in the first minute or >so (makes sense) and has codes in the 200 range. Note that half of the >codes are not error messages, but just status. > >I would say the machine is most likely fine, but you may need to get >another copy of AIX. > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > > >

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Fellow's got cards...

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

...coming out of his ears, darn near. If any of you have need of DEC cards for MicroVAXen, I'd check with this guy. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:30:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mzthompson(a)aol.com To: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net Subject: M7546 TK50 Controller <personal message snipped> In the event that you may have an intereset in some of the other cards I have, I will paste a list to the end of this. Regards, Mike Thompson --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : KA630-AA Module No: M7606 Card Desc: CPU Module Quantity : 6 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : MS630-BB Module No: M7608 Card Desc: 4 MB Memory Module Quantity : 1 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : MS630-CA Module No: M7609 Card Desc: 8 MB Memory Module Quantity : 11 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : KDA50-Q Module No: M7164 & M7165 Card Desc: SDI Disk Interface Quantity : M7164 - 4, M7165 - 3 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : DQ256 Module No: Card Desc: SDI Interface Quantity : 1 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : TSV05 Module No: M7196 Card Desc: Tape ? Controller Quantity : 1 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : RQDX3 Module No: M7555 Card Desc: Disk Controller Quantity : 1 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : TQK70-SA Module No: M7559 Card Desc: TK70 Tape Controller Quantity : 1 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : KLESI Module No: M7740 Card Desc: TU81 Tape Controller Quantity : 1 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : DEQNA Module No: M7504 Card Desc: Ethernet Interface Quantity : 4 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : DELQA Module No: M7516 Card Desc: Ethernet Interface Quantity : 2 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : DELNA Module No: M7513 Card Desc: Expander Module, connects external RD50 or RX50 to controller Quantity : 3 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : TQK50 Module No: M7546 Card Desc: TK50 Tape Interface Quantity : 5 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : DZQ11 Module No: M3106 Card Desc: 4 Line Async Multiplexer (dual height card) Quantity : 2 --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- Part No : CXY08 Module No: M3119 Card Desc: 8 Chan Async Interface Quantity : 1 Notes: 5400/5500, Have more, plus have 6 cable assemblies --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- --------------- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Win95 + irritable user WAS: Re: FS: Mac Plus

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 09:24 AM 07/09/97 -0400, you wrote: > Because RedHat or Debian will have support for just about >every hardware option he might ever need, has precompiled applications >in a simple to use and install format (.rpm or .dep), and simple X >based TK configuration utilities *somewhat* similar to Windows' control >panel. > Minux is pretty cool, and until Linux-Lite comes out, the only >option for a free Unix like OS (that I know of) on the 8088/80286. >But from what I saw, he has at least a 386. I've got a 386DX-20 >running Linux performing IP-Masquerading (in kernel IP translation - >which minux most definitely *won't* do) and routing, name services for >my internal network, a small web server for documentation (to other >internal machines), and as a slow SCSI backup server to an old Exabyte >(which was the free find of the century, I might add) and am perfectly >happy with it's performance and utility. It's simple to install, >simple to configure, and once it's done I can leave it up and running >without concern. For example: > Granted that MINIX cannot compare to Linux when it comes to apps and support, the reason I suggested it was because he wanted to install it on 386 portables. There are enough apps out there for MINIX for the basics, and the list grows everyday. Also I was thinking of disk space, MINIX only requires 30mb of space, so it would be ideal for portables... As for being simple to install... well, since when did people like us who collect classic machines worry about anything being simple ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Win95 + irritable user WAS: Re: FS: Mac Plus

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 12:57 AM 07/09/97 -0800, you wrote: >Couple of questions. How much does Minix cost now days? Last I looked it >was ~$200 for the PC, although I'll admit this was back in '92 when it was >a fairly good alternative to Linux (I remember when Linux didn't have a >login prompt, you were dropped staight to single user). You can get a 6-CD >Linux set for $25. > >Second, what major UNIX apps are there for Minix? Linux has basically all >the freeware ones (when it comes to UNIX don't let the term freeware scare >you away, it's often far better than commercial PC software). Yikes! $200.00! I didn't think it was that much, I was under the impression that it was in the range of $30.00-$40.00 dollars US. Of course, I could be mistaken, maybe that is the price for i86 version... I don't think there are many apps out there for MINIX (as compared to LINUX) but from what I could see, the list is growing everyday. I think MINIX would be great for a portable, unless of course the portable is the only machine you have. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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FS: Mac Plus

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 08:39 AM 07/09/97 -0500, you wrote: >20 of them just got trashed, but if you want a couple I'll be stopping in >the shop later this week and if they have a new batch in I will pick you up >a couple. We can settle up after I get them. They also have alot of SE's, >512's, and sometimes the 128's. There is also a thrift store here that >sells all computers for 80 cents including taxes. Everyone has started going >here and it's getting harder to catch any good machines there. If anyone >reading this is looking for HP stuff let me know as I passed on a complete >HP3000 for $10. Sounds good, any idea on how much shipping will be to St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada? I would be intersted in only one Mac Plus, as space is at a premium, although if you could find a Tandy Model 100 for a comparble price there (that 80 cents sounds really good) I would appreciate you picking one of them up as well. Thanks in advance... ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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HP 2100A available from Ann Arbor MI

by dlw＠neosoft.com

I don't think it will "die a horrible death." I emailed them yesterday when I first saw the newsgroup post and have heard back. I'll have to have it shipped but I figure it's the price I'll just have to pay. :-) I've been looking for one of these for years. ---------- > From: Hans Pufal <hans1(a)filan00.grenoble.hp.com> > Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 12:43 AM > > At risk of repeating someone elses post (I receive the digest form of > the list): > > Recently seen on the net: > > > An HP 2100A minicomputer will become available soon, in Ann Arbor, MI. > Don't let this one die a horrible death. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)neosoft.com http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw

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Classic computer toy? Mattel Intellivision, anyone want?

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Id love to have this. ---------- > From: will emerson <wpe(a)interserv.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Classic computer toy? Mattel Intellivision, anyone want? > Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 6:17 PM > > Hello, > Not sure this is the proper place for this, and I apologize if it > isn't, but I have > a Mattel Intellivision setup (left for us by a long ago former tenant of > a property > we used to own) with a bunch of cartridges. I have no clue as to whether > the > thing works, as it's been in a box in my basement for a good five years > (and, who > knows how long in the basement of the previous owner), but, if someone > wants > to "give it a home", please let me know. Located in Sudbury, Mass. USA. > > > Will >

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Model 100 Schematics

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

There's Model 100 web site that offers free tech help and software for the 100 At 09:17 PM 9/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >A friend of mine and I both have TRS Model 100s with problems and I am >looking for schematics to the unit. If anyone has them for sale, cost of >copies, scanned in, etc., I would much appreciate hearing about it. Thanks! > > >

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MicroVAX modules

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

On Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:04:42, Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> wrote: >>My module list is about 3000 pages and fills 6 binders. Not exactly >>convenient to carry around, but it is (fairly) comprehensive. Can you e-mail it to me?? <g> I didn't realize that it was that lengthy. Is is broken-down in any way (like by model), or is it a sequential list from "M0000" to "M9999"? I'd be interested in the sections dealing with the uVAX-I, uVAX-II, and the PDP-11/34. Thanks again. ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking

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Sinclair kits

by adam＠merlin.net.au

Hi! You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling Sinclair ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits years ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting one of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK. Anyway, it's at: http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts and all the standard disclaimers apply. :) Adam.

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Atari 400 power supply

by adam＠merlin.net.au

I finally managed to get one of these yesterday, including a number of carts and a cassette drive, but there was no official power supply with it. Instead I found a 9 volt DC supply mixed in the cables in the shop, but I am not entirly certain if it is for this computer. It is likely, but I don't feel like taking any risks. The Atari FAQ says that it took a 9v AC supply in the US, but the plug on this one looks like a DC plug, and the comments on the European version seemed to suggest that it used a DC supply. Does anyone know what would be appropriate to use in Australia? Thanks heaps, Adam.

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Intellivision stuff..

by wpe＠interserv.com

Hi Everyone, Allison was the first respondant, so, gets first option. If then, not claimed, then I will re-contact those of you who also have expressed interest. Thanks! Will Please take note of the following, when attempting to reply to this message.... -- Sorry to have to resort to this, but, due to the myriad of automatic e-mail advertising ("SPAMming") programs out there, I've been forced to modify my "reply to" address. To reply to this message, you must remove the .spamfree from the reply-to address. To those friends, and folks who are trying to contact me with info that I will likely be happy to receive, I apologze for this inconvienence. To those out there, sending all these annoying "junk mail" messages, I say "Oh well...." Will

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Classic computer toy? Mattel Intellivision, anyone want?

by adam＠merlin.net.au

Just out of curiosity, does this one have the computer keyboard and stuff? I found one the other day with the keyboard (and I am trying to get it), but I have no idea how common they were. Adam.

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Classic computer toy? Mattel Intellivision, anyone want?

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

Ooooh, I've been looking for an Intellivision. I'm happy to pay shipping, etc. to get it out to Iowa, which is where I am. Let me know, -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley

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Classic computer toy? Mattel Intellivision, anyone want?

by wpe＠interserv.com

Hello, Not sure this is the proper place for this, and I apologize if it isn't, but I have a Mattel Intellivision setup (left for us by a long ago former tenant of a property we used to own) with a bunch of cartridges. I have no clue as to whether the thing works, as it's been in a box in my basement for a good five years (and, who knows how long in the basement of the previous owner), but, if someone wants to "give it a home", please let me know. Located in Sudbury, Mass. USA. Will

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HP 2100A available from Ann Arbor MI

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

At risk of repeating someone elses post (I receive the digest form of the list): Recently seen on the net: > An HP 2100A minicomputer will become available soon, in Ann Arbor, MI. > This is a machine I once worked on, but I can't take it (no space) so > if anyone wants an old workhorse of a machine with some significant > position in history, please take it. > The thing is a typical late 1960's or early 1970's rack mounted > minicomputer; I'm sure it can be safely de-racked. It can probably > be shipped UPS, but it would be at the upper end of the UPS size and > weight range, so it may have to go motor freight. > There may be a DEC RX01 and an RK05 drive attached to it (I'm not > sure which of the HP machines at Michigan had what peripherals, but > the disk drives they used were from DEC). These can be deracked and > shipped separately, but they're commodity parts, in a relative sense, > while the HP2100 is not a commonplace machine. > Doug Jones > jones(a)cs.uiowa.edu I would love this machine but shipping to Europe is out of the question :-( Don't let this one die a horrible death. Regards, Hans

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Help with EPROM programmer

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Hello, all: I got my hands on a PC-based EPROM programmer S/DRAM tester IC tester. There is an ISA add-in card and an external box with ZIF sockets. The only thing that I am missing (doh!) is the software diskette. The board is manufactured by Yih-Lung (Hong Kong), model# YL-23. It has two microcontrollers, both are Motorola 6821. I know that this is a loooong shot, but can anyone point me in any direction to find a replacement disk. Thanks! +============================================+ | Rich Cini/WUGNET | <rcini(a)msn.com> | MCP Windows 95 and Windows Networking, | Charter ClubWin! Member (6) and a | collector of classic computers +============================================+

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VAX RESCUE NEEDED: Ilinois area

by thedm＠sunflower.com

In im Kansas, and have plenty of space, but no means by which to transport. ---------- > From: Scott Ware <s-ware(a)nwu.edu> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: VAX RESCUE NEEDED: Ilinois area > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 3:00 PM > > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 kyrrin2(a)wizards.net wrote: > > > Heads up! Got an 11/780 that needs rescue in Ilinois. Contact the > > fellow directly for details. > > As an apartment dweller, an 11/780 is out of my league; however, I may be > able to assist in the rescue if anyone else has space available and just > needs help, especially if there are "extra" SMD drives involved. > > I'm in Chicago, as is the contact. The machine is near Milwaukee. > > Anyone? > > -- > Scott Ware s-ware(a)nwu.edu

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VAX RESCUE NEEDED: Ilinois area

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Heads up! Got an 11/780 that needs rescue in Ilinois. Contact the fellow directly for details. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Xref: xyzzy comp.sys.dec:14845 From: eric(a)oxygen.aps.anl.gov (Eric Lindert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: VAX 11/780 Free to good home Date: 9 Sep 1997 21:28:06 GMT Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5v4f16$81i(a)milo.mcs.anl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: oxygen48.aps1.anl.gov Path: xyzzy!uunet!in2.uu.net!198.174.169.7!winternet.com!news.myna.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!milo.mcs.anl.gov!oxygen!eric VAX 11/780 free to good home: Have VAX 11/780 with 3 FUJITSU hard drives, 9 track tape transport, 2 consoles, all documentation, software, cards, racks, etc. Have moved, and do not have room any longer. System is in Shorewood, WI (near University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee). Must sacrifice soon. Please respond directly, not to newsgroup, as I don't have time to address each. Eric Lindert eric(a)aps.anl.gov home: (630)493-1837 wk : (630)252-9424 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SSG Computing Support (253) 773-8576 Bldg. 18-04.2, Col. G1 Boeing ISDS, Kent Space Ctr. b.lane(a)pss.boeing.com "...No matter how hard we may try, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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VAX RESCUE NEEDED: Ilinois area

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Who is the illinois contact? ---------- > From: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: VAX RESCUE NEEDED: Ilinois area > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 2:16 PM > > Heads up! Got an 11/780 that needs rescue in Ilinois. Contact the > fellow directly for details. > > -=-=- <snip> -=-=- > > Xref: xyzzy comp.sys.dec:14845 > From: eric(a)oxygen.aps.anl.gov (Eric Lindert) > Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec > Subject: VAX 11/780 Free to good home > Date: 9 Sep 1997 21:28:06 GMT > Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois > Lines: 14 > Distribution: world > Message-ID: <5v4f16$81i(a)milo.mcs.anl.gov> > NNTP-Posting-Host: oxygen48.aps1.anl.gov > Path: > xyzzy!uunet!in2.uu.net!198.174.169.7!winternet.com!news.myna.com!www.nntp.pr imenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.n et!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!milo.mcs.anl.gov!oxygen!eric > > VAX 11/780 free to good home: > > Have VAX 11/780 with 3 FUJITSU hard drives, 9 track tape transport, > 2 consoles, all documentation, software, cards, racks, etc. > Have moved, and do not have room any longer. System is in Shorewood, > WI (near University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee). Must sacrifice soon. > Please respond directly, not to newsgroup, as I don't have time to > address each. > Eric Lindert > eric(a)aps.anl.gov > home: (630)493-1837 > wk : (630)252-9424 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Bruce Lane, SSG Computing Support > (253) 773-8576 Bldg. 18-04.2, Col. G1 > Boeing ISDS, Kent Space Ctr. > b.lane(a)pss.boeing.com > "...No matter how hard we may try, our science can only describe an > object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot, > in any way, define any of them..."

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MicroVAX

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Tim: >>According to the "Edited Option/Module List" that I have, there are >>no fewer than 21 variations of the M7551, ranging from 1 to 4 >>MBytes of memory. Generally, the -A suffix indicates 1 Mbytes, >>the -B indicates 2 Mbytes, and the -C indicates 4 Mbytes. The >>next letter in the suffix indicates the source of the DRAM chips. At least I'm not crazy (in spite of what people may say!) about the RAM size. My M7551 carries the "CF" suffix. Is there a way that I could get a copy of your module list?? The one that I have from the VAX forum on CompuServe seems to leave out key information. It would be helpful to me for when I go shopping at Temple U. in October. Here's the revised configuration (I actually coppied the numbers down this time). Slot TOP BOTTOM function 8 open open 7 M7512 open buss extender 6 M8639-YA {same} RQDX1 disk controller 5 M9047 M7504 continuity / Ethernet 4 M3104 {same} serial EIA mux-8 3 M7551-CF {same} memory 2 M7135 {same} processor 1 1 M7136 {same} processor 2 Slot 1 is the first slot on the right facing the bulkhead. The buss extender is used to connect to an external RD52 hard drive. Thanks again. ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking

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A REALLY old & interesting system offer.

by ccm＠sentex.net

Forwarded from the COMMPUTERSEUM: From: mib(a)juno.com (Morton I. Bernstein) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 02:06:19 EDT Do you know anyone who wants an early serial number Britton-Lee Data Base machine. The first of the kind. It can be had for the cost of transporting it from Los Angels to wherever. Mort Bernstein

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New finds and info needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I get a 554 code ?? Thanks loads for the info and I hope this code is not a bad one. At 10:36 AM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >> 1. IBM Powerstation 320 with a 19' monitor 6091-19 with cable (3 BNC), >> anyone having some info this unit I could use it. Can't get it to show >> anything on the monitor. All lights are on. > >What does the numeric display on the box do? It should spew out lots of >different numbers (POST (Power On Self Test) and results - a blinking 888 >is really BAD, getting stuck on other numbers can also be bad). I have the >service manual for the beasts, and it describes all of the codes. Let me >know what your machine does. > >> 2. IBM Powerstation 220 with 17" monitor this unit is locked in service mode >> and I did not get a key. Any info this one would be great. > >Without a key you are in trouble. They are special keys that are basically >unique to the machine (unlike the famous DEC key). At least in service >mode, you should be able to get the cover off - if it were in "secure" or >"normal", the cover would also be locked. > >> 6. About 10 very large boxes full of IBM PS/2's and other parts. I have >> very busy weekend with these boxes. > >If there are MCA cards in there, check to see if any are for the RS/6000s >- they are different, but look fairly similar to the PS/2 variety. > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > > >

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dumb terminals

by dastar＠crl.com

A couple people (Richard Cini, William Hayes) were interested in the terminals and requested more information. Here's some blurbs from the manuals: First the CIT-101e Video Terminal by CIE Terminals (a C.Itoh electronics company): The CIT-101e is directly interchangeable with the Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) VT100 Video Terminal. The CIT-101e can operate in one of two modes, ANSI or VT52. In ANSI mode the CIT-101e is compatible with American National Standards Institute (ANSI) programming standards. In the VT52 mode the CIT-101e is software compatible with DEC VT52 terminals. Standard features include a full and half duplex communication channel, RS-232-C or 20 mA current loop communication interface, an auxiliary full duplex port, an alternate character set, and temporary storage of up to three display pages. Next, the AT&T Information Systems DataSpeed 4425 Display Terminal: Hmmm, well there's no real good descriptive blurb to type up like the CIE manual had. This terminal can be configured in the setup to do VT52 escape sequences. I don't think it has a current loop interface as I don't see any mention of one. It does have an "integral modem", which is actually an external box. It goes up to 1200 baud. You can dial the modem right from the terminal by hitting the F1 key. Both these terminals can do 132 columns. I don't know if that excites anyone but I thought I'd mention it. I'll tell the guy to hold off on dumping them until you folks have made up your minds. Again, there's also a ton of switchboxes, cables and gender changers. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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MicroVAX help

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:40:47, Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> wrote: >>Part of the confusion may have arisen because the Richard (the owner of >>the Microvax I, if I follow the attributions correctly) didn't >>post the full M-numbers of all the cards. It's possible that he >>has a 4 MB memory card that is only half-populated; the alphabetic >>suffix to the M-number determines how it was populated at the factory. I thought it odd that the M-number for the memory card is listed in some info that I have as "1mb MOS memory card", but Ultrixboot reports 4mb of RAM. I don't recall seeing a letter suffix, but frankly, I wouldn't have known to look -- this is my first DEC system, so I'm not familiar with their numbering conventions. I also haven't yet pulled the cards from the backplane in order to inspect them. My time has been spent rebuilding the power cable and trying to get the external RD52 to work. From "memory", here's the backplane configuration: Slot TOP BOTTOM function 8 open open 7 {M7954?} open buss extender 6 M8639 {same} RQDX1 disk controller 5 M7502 {M7948??} Ethernet / {slot filled} 4 M3104 {same} serial EIA mux-8 3 M7551 {same} memory 2 M7135 {same} processor 1 1 M7136 {same} processor 2 I can't remember what's in the remainder of slot 5, but since the unit has floppies, the M7948 is a guess. I'll take a better inventory tonight. More to come... ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Netowrking

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Someone has a Z100 for sale ...

by groberts＠mitre.org

this was posted on comp.sys.zenith.z100. $100 seems high to me given the condition of this machines and the fact that it's a bare bones configuration - i recently got one of these plus tons of software for free. these puppies are heavy too so watch the shipping costs. on the plus side: this is a very nice CP/M machine. S-100 bus; dual CPUs (8085 and 8088) and much of the CP/M BIOS actually executes on the 8088 CPU! please reply to the original poster (not me). tx. - glenn From: "John Pfuntner" <mrbruno(a)earthling.net> 8/24/97 12:21 Subject: z-100 for sale (circa 1984)... cheap? I'm offering the following dinosaur for sale: Zenith Z-100 computer (bought as a student at Clarkson College in 1984): 256K RAM (I will also throw in the original 192K chips) Monochrome display 2 5-1/4" "Half-height" Floppy Drives Video memory for shades of grey *NO* hard drive! Software for above: DOS, Z-BASIC, Multiplan, Pascal/Fortran Compilers, Turbo Pascal A few other disks with games and utilities. Condition: good, a couple of keys don't work too well. Computer has not been used in the past 6 years. Price: I'm looking for $100 *plus* shipping but will consider any offer. I want to get rid of it by December or else it will probably end up in the computer graveyard. For more info or bids, contact: John Pfuntner, pfuntner(a)pobox.com. +=========================================================+ | Glenn F. Roberts, Falls Church, VA | Comments are my own and not the opinion of my employer | groberts(a)mitre.org

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dumb terminals for cheap (or free?)

by dastar＠crl.com

I know a guy who has a few old dumb terminals which are brand new in the box (with the original packaging tape on them) circa 1982 or thereabouts. I bought a couple from him at a weekend swap meet for $5 a piece. He still has about 4 or 5 more. He also has a bunch of new in box 3to1 or 2to1 switchboxes, as well as a whole mess of brand new shielded serial cables, some in lengths of 20' and perhaps 50'. All this will go to the dump unless someone wants them. He's willing to ship and will take very little for them. So if anyone wants a brand new dumb terminal or some cables, let me know and I'll pass you along his number (I don't have it on me right now). He's local to me and I could arrange to ship. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Difference between Heath H88 and H89?

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I just got some service manuals for the old Zenith system today and will send you some info as soon as I read them. At 10:03 AM 9/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Just when I think you can't find any genuinely old computer stuff in >thrift stores anymore, I come across something that changes my mind. > >This weekend it was a beautiful, mint condition Heath H88. Don Maslin, >keeper of the CP/M disk archives, has CP/M for the Heath H89, but >doesn't list the H88. Does anyone know what the difference is between >an H88 and H89? Externally, they look identical except for the badging. >Are they software compatible? > >thanks > >Kai > > >

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Difference between Heath H88 and H89?

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Opps! Read "floppy disk controller" for "hard disk controller" in the > original reply. Silly me; I assumed you meant "hard sectored disk controller". In this case, a synchronous serial chip with its SYNC input attached to the drive's Index pin. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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FS: Mac Plus

by manney＠nwohio.com

Wayull...I don't deal im Macs, so I don't know prices. I'm just passing along what he wants. What's it worth? $300!? I know its not april fool's day. I must have got a deal of the century when I got a mac ][cx and 3.5 drive for $25... david In a message dated 97-09-06 14:26:50 EDT, you write: << A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80 MB HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate. manney(a)nwohio.com >>

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Difference between Heath H88 and H89?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

This one has a built in Percom floppy (the kind with the big door), so it must be an H89. It says H88 on the back, but if an H89 is just an H88 with the floppy controller + drive, then this one has been upgraded to an H89. Cool, I'll order the H89 CP/M from Don. The front badge just says "Heathkit Computer". thanks Kai > ---------- > From: David C. Jenner[SMTP:djenner@halcyon.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 10:32 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Difference between Heath H88 and H89? > > Kai Kaltenbach wrote: > > Does anyone know what the difference is between > > an H88 and H89? Externally, they look identical except for the > badging. > > Are they software compatible? > > The H88 was a cassette-based Z-80 system. I got one by upgrading an > H-19 terminal. (I believe you could also buy it as a system.) When > you > upgraded, you replaced the H-19 "badge" with an H-88 "badge". > > You could also upgrade the H-88 to an H-89 by adding a hard disk > controller and floppy disk. When you upgraded, you replaced the H-88 > "badge" with an H-89 "badge". > > So, it's quite possible that not only do they look identical > externally, > they look identical internally. If what you saw DOESN'T have a floppy > disk, then maybe it is the cassette-based system. Look inside. I > have > the cassette software, if you are masochistic enough to want a copy of > it. > > You might be able to find a hard disk controller and make it into an > H-89, if you like. It shouldn't be too hard to find a floppy drive > that > works, just plug in a DEC RX50 dual floppy! My H-89 has in fact the > original prototype (DAM Drive) of the dual floppy, made by T and E > Engineering. DEC later bought them out for the Rainbow/uPDP/uVAX, > etc. > If you need an RX50 drive, I can get you one. > > Dave >

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Difference between Heath H88 and H89?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Just when I think you can't find any genuinely old computer stuff in thrift stores anymore, I come across something that changes my mind. This weekend it was a beautiful, mint condition Heath H88. Don Maslin, keeper of the CP/M disk archives, has CP/M for the Heath H89, but doesn't list the H88. Does anyone know what the difference is between an H88 and H89? Externally, they look identical except for the badging. Are they software compatible? thanks Kai

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MicroVAX help

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Allison wrote: <> The uVAX-II <> offered 1meg of ram on card, FPU and a faster memory interface(PMI) <> along with denser 1mb, 2mb, and 4mb (and later 8/16mb) cards. This made <> a 5mb microvax-II possible in two cards instead of 7 using uVAX-I! < <AFAIK the MicroVAX I can't do 5MB no matter how many cards you have. It's <a pure QBus machine; all memory lives on the QBus and there is no <scatter/gather map to allow it to get to more memory than the QBus can <address, which is 4MB. Right you are. But in the context of what I said, you see that 5mb uVAX-I was difficult for power and bus space reasons as well... the fact that the microvax-1 didn't not have PMI(over the top memory connect) and Q22 could not address more than 4mb was just one more limitation. What happend in real world cases is the total load on the power supply was way to great or you ran out of slots! The one I ran for a while back in 86 at DEC was 2meg running microVMS. That box was full! 2 quads for the cpu, 2 quads for the memory, 1 quad DHV11, 1 quad RQDX2, 1 dual for tk50, 1 dual for DEQNA, 1 RD53. The power supply on that one ran at 95%. It was slow but I was one of the few with a vax under my desk! ONE ITEM: BA23 boxes have a cable from the power supply to the backplane. There are two different ones. There is one with variable length wires that looks neat and tidy making the bend. That cable is bad news! It was ECOed back in the late 80s as the +5 and ground are parallel lines! The cable had different length leads and the shorter ones having lower resistance would hog all the current. This would cause a serious overload of the connector pins with resulting is possible destruction of the power supply and backplane. This would occur at less than rated load! The correct cable has ALL of the wires the same length to circumvent this problem. The revised cable was tested at 200+% of rated load and did not exhibit the failure mode. So if you playing with MicroPDP-11s or VAXen in the ba23 box check for that flaky cable and replace it if possible or at least check it for signs of overheating at either connector. It's molex pins and if not damaged the connector bodies can be reused. Allison

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Burroughs Computers

by adam＠merlin.net.au

Hi! I have a lead on a computer, a Burroughs 6800, that is apparantly being kept in a store-room and not being used. It seems I should be able to get it if I asked. My question is - do I want it? Mostly I have limited myself to micros, as they are small and fit my own interests, but I have always been willing to accept larger systems. But as a result I know nothing about Burroughs - is this thing huge, or what? Is it rare, common, powerful or just dull? Any information would be greatly appreciated, especially where it fits into the general history of computers. Thanks heaps, Adam.

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MicroVAX help

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

Allison wrote: > The uVAX-II > offered 1meg of ram on card, FPU and a faster memory interface(PMI) > along with denser 1mb, 2mb, and 4mb (and later 8/16mb) cards. This made > a 5mb microvax-II possible in two cards instead of 7 using uVAX-I! AFAIK the MicroVAX I can't do 5MB no matter how many cards you have. It's a pure QBus machine; all memory lives on the QBus and there is no scatter/gather map to allow it to get to more memory than the QBus can address, which is 4MB. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Burroughs Computers

by prp＠hf.intel.com

> From: adam(a)merlin.net.au (Adam Jenkins) > > I have a lead on a computer, a Burroughs 6800, that is apparantly being > kept in a store-room and not being used. Adam, The Burroughs 6800 is a large mainframe. It will require 208-220v 3-phase power and probably air conditioning. I suppose you probably don't want it. Burroughs machines are rare, especially one this old. Burroughs had a policy of taking back their old machines in trade, which they would then destroy to avoid having used machines in competition with their new ones. It is an interesting machine historically, although possibly not the most interesting in the line which is now called the A-Series. Probably about the first in the line was the B5000. The famous early machine was the B5500, there was one at the University of Wisconsin and it was about the first machine I ever used. I remember one of the UW professors contributed to the 6800 architecture (suggestions, at least) and there was a big fuss about whether to get it or a Univac. They ended up with the Univac 1108. The 6800 was to have been a big improvement over the 5500 but was quite late or something. The A-series computers are stack machines. Its a very interesting architecture. At the time of the B5000 series it was considered ahead of its time, but now that architecture is essentially dead. The most recent new stack machine I know of is the original HP 3000 minicomputer from the late 70's early 80's. It is inherently difficult to get a stack machine to run very fast, like today's superscalar microprocessors. But a stack architecture results in small code. The virtual machine for Java byte code is a stack architecture. There are a number of other historically and architecturally interesting things about the Burroughs A-series line and probably the 6800 in particular. If you remember TRON, the evil "MCP" gets its name from the Burroughs operating system (Master Control Program.) There is a Burroughs thread running at the moment in alt.folklore.computers. Please find out if its just the machine or if there is documentation and/or software. I would like to see the whole machine saved, but if that turns out to be impossible at least maybe good docs can be saved. Ideally there would be hardware manuals including user reference manuals and schematics, diagnostic software and manuals, operating system and application software and manuals. Possibly if the closet contains only the machine other folks may have documentation in their office. If you don't want it I would be very interested, but if you are in Australia it could be very expensive to haul it back here. Please keep in touch and let us know what you find out. Paul Pierce http://www.teleport.com/~prp/collect/

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Boxed Commodore Plus/4

by dastar＠crl.com

I know someone locally who's trying to sell a complete boxed Commodore Plus/4 for $25. If anyone's interested I'll hook you up with him. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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New finds and info needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I spent the morning at an auction and got the following; 1. IBM Powerstation 320 with a 19' monitor 6091-19 with cable (3 BNC), anyone having some info this unit I could use it. Can't get it to show anything on the monitor. All lights are on. 2. IBM Powerstation 220 with 17" monitor this unit is locked in service mode and I did not get a key. Any info this one would be great. 3. MAC LC III with full display monitor unit works and is loaded with software. 4. MAC SE FDHD works great and is also loaded with software. 5. Apple TechStep testing unit with case, manuals, software, and cables. Now I really do some unit testing. 6. About 10 very large boxes full of IBM PS/2's and other parts. I have very busy weekend with these boxes. well that's it. see ya

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Sick C-64c

by thedm＠sunflower.com

The floppy drive incidently, works on other c64's just fine, and I have cleaned and calibrated it. ---------- > From: jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Sick C-64c > Date: Monday, September 08, 1997 4:38 AM > > > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:22:06 -0500 > > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > > From: "Bill Girnius" <thedm(a)sunflower.com> > > To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > Subject: Sick C-64c > > X-To: "Classic" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > > I recently aquired a stack of c64's, these are the old brown type. Of (4), > > One works fine, 1 boots, and can run catridges, initializes the floppy on > > boot, but can never access it after boot, the other two have power but no > > video. Any ideas on these folks? > > Checkerboard or no display usually means memory is bad, replace all > 64k ram chips. > > Oddball problems usually traced to the VIA ic's blown by unbuffered > lines. Real easy to do to blow it if careless! > > Make sure you put the shield back on with those finger "pads" coated > with bit of heatsink paste on them, they're like poorman's heatsinks! > The video IC get brutally hot! > > Monitor the voltages for stablity and good idea to replace those big > capacitors just in case. The floppy drives I think is belt driven > type and needs bit of cleaning. I had a problem with one, inside > that small can there's 2mhz crystal and one TTL chip, That TTL chip > was baddie. > > Jason D.

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FS: Mac Plus Trashed?

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

> From: Greg Mast <gmast(a)polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu> > > Subject: Re: FS: Mac Plus > > > 20 of them just got trashed, but if you want a couple I'll be stopping in > That's amazing! 20 computers probably worth at least $25 each tossed in the > dumpster? What a waste! $500! Mac plusses are really still good machines. I > managed my business using Excel, Word and quicken on one until a couple years > ago (until I sold the business). The local shop here parts them out for repairs. There are regular wanted ads in Austalian newsgroups from a guy who turns them into fishtanks. Apparently a whole bunch of people do this.

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FS: Mac Plus Trashed?

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 08:39:09 -0500 > From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> > To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: FS: Mac Plus > 20 of them just got trashed, but if you want a couple I'll be stopping in > the shop later this week and if they have a new batch in I will pick you up > a couple. We can settle up after I get them. They also have alot of SE's, > 512's, and sometimes the 128's. There is also a thrift store here that > sells all computers for 80 cents including taxes. Everyone has started going > here and it's getting harder to catch any good machines there. If anyone > reading this is looking for HP stuff let me know as I passed on a complete > HP3000 for $10. That's amazing! 20 computers probably worth at least $25 each tossed in the dumpster? What a waste! $500! Mac plusses are really still good machines. I managed my business using Excel, Word and quicken on one until a couple years ago (until I sold the business). The local shop here parts them out for repairs. I did see our goodwill toss a Radio Shack Model 4P(??) and an Osborne the other day alond with a pile of PC Jr's and Commodore stuff. I almost grabbed them until I remembered I have a pile to get rid of and no time to play with them. Every Friday they clean (dumpster) the electronics section.

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Sick C-64c

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I recently aquired a stack of c64's, these are the old brown type. Of (4), One works fine, 1 boots, and can run catridges, initializes the floppy on boot, but can never access it after boot, the other two have power but no video. Any ideas on these folks?

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Web page update...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Just did a couple minor updates to the web page, added scans of pics of the Educator 64 and SuperPET (with the case opened so you can see what makes em tick), some commodore calculators, and a scan of the cover of Popular Science from Oct. 1977 which I believe is of one of the prototype PETs (non-steel, rounded casing). Oh, added a link to the Vintage computer faire too. ;) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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A Few Items on eBay (Auctionweb)

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I'm back going through the pile after school ended and I managed to list a few more things on the auction. Apple IIc with Power Supply, External Floppy Bidding starts at: $5.00 Auction ends on: 09/09/97, 19:41:03 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160641 Macintosh 512K System (Photo) Bidding starts at: $10.00 Auction ends on: 09/12/97, 22:50:10 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206500 Apple III Computer System! (Photo) Bidding starts at: $5.00 Auction ends on: 09/13/97 17:17:43 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=215133 Apple Imagewriter II Printer Current bid: $5.00 Auction ends on: 09/13/97 17:21:08 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=215200 Still have more to list soon including Apple IIplus, IIc monitors, Commodore 1702 monitor, Commodore drives, Mac 128k, Mac 400k ext. floppy drives, Apple RGB color monitor, Apple II color monitor, etc. Thanks, Greg

28 years, 6 months

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IMSAI IMP48

by allisonp＠world.std.com

HI, I have an IMSAI IMP48, it's a single board computer made around late 77-78 using an 8048/8035 micro controller chip. The board is operational but I lack DOCs. Any DOCs on this would be helpful as it has relay and opto isolated I/O for control use. It also does audio cassette IO as well. I've used it for simple tasks but more detailed info would allow me to copy it and use the copy for the task and preserve the board. Allison

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FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

There here the twin cities and no I have not seen a MAC portable there yet. As for the Model 100's 6 of them went for 80 cent each about four weeks ago and they had doc's, software and other items with them, I walked in 10 minutes too late. I'll keep my eyes open for you. At 04:07 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote: >>20 of them just got trashed, but if you want a couple I'll be stopping in >>the shop later this week and if they have a new batch in I will pick you up >>a couple. We can settle up after I get them. They also have alot of SE's, >>512's, and sometimes the 128's. There is also a thrift store here that >>sells all computers for 80 cents including taxes. Everyone has started going >>here and it's getting harder to catch any good machines there. If anyone >>reading this is looking for HP stuff let me know as I passed on a complete >>HP3000 for $10. > >Out of curiousity, where is this place? (That's the problem with a global >network, one man's "down the road" is another's "across the continent".) > >If you ever see a Mac portable (yes, the big one) or a TRS-80 Model 100 at >one of these places at a comparable price, then please grab one for me. > ><<<john>>> > > > >

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Win95 + irritable user WAS: Re: FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I may be able to get the drive mounts for you at the cost of shipping. I will check with Ken next week and see if the parts box was shipped off to be trashed yet. At 05:28 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote: >>If you need the Sun monitor let me know as a load of them mono and color >>were trashed a week ago. Several places here are dumoing them along with >>3/50's, 3/60's and 3/80's. >>I picked up a few for my collection but have no software are HD for any of >>them. I picked a Sun HD unit for 5.00 but got home to find the HD was gone >>from inside. Keep computing. > >I'd take you up on it, but I suspect that shipping an 19" Sun monitor from >MN to NJ would be hideously cost ineffective. I might be up for another 3/80 >CPU, though. What I really need to find is one or two of the drive mounts for >the 3/80. > >At work, they're waiting on the word from the government regarding some >older PCs and Suns which were GFE for a previous contract. The hope is that >they may just "abandon in place". If so, I may be able to find a monitor >or possibly even an early Sparc 1. > >Keeping my fingers crossed... <<<John>>> > > > >

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(no subject)

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Thanks for the info !! At 05:18 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote: >>Heatkit HTX-10 ni power supply was with it. anyone have info on this puppy? > >If that's the one I think it is, it was desgined as a cheap dial-up terminal. >Everhting is in the KB, except for powersupply and composite monitor. I think >it also had a built-in 300 (1200?) baud modem. > ><<<John>>> > > > >

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still trying to send

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Received: from 5x86jk (ts002d02.min-mn.concentric.net [206.173.175.38]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.7) id RAA29672; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970907205659.0067c798(a)pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: jrkeys(a)pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 15:56:59 -0500 To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> Cc: Last finds(a)concentric.net Heatkit HTX-10 ni power supply was with it. anyone have info on this puppy? Pet 2001-8 series with manuals, have tested this one yet. HP 86 with ROM Drawer, 128k module, and 64k module. VIC music composer and Forth cartridges. Back to work now, keep computing

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Win95 + irritable user WAS: Re: FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

If you need the Sun monitor let me know as a load of them mono and color were trashed a week ago. Several places here are dumoing them along with 3/50's, 3/60's and 3/80's. I picked up a few for my collection but have no software are HD for any of them. I picked a Sun HD unit for 5.00 but got home to find the HD was gone >from inside. Keep computing. At 04:22 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote: > >> Although I wonder if anyone out there is actually going to >>finish the Sun3x Linux port - it looks like the NetBSD Sun3x movement >>is dead in the water. > >Damn, I hope it's not dead. I just picked up a 3/80 (8mb, diskless) and a >type 4 keyboard/mouse. (No monitor, but I have an old Hitachi that I hope >may be >compatible.) > >Anyway, as soon as I straighten out and "Invalid IDPROM" message, I was >hoping to put up either SunOS or NetBSD. > >BTW, anyone have a suggestion as to which is better? > ><<<John>>> > > > >

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No subject

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Heatkit HTX-10 ni power supply was with it. anyone have info on this puppy? Pet 2001-8 series with manuals, have tested this one yet. HP 86 with ROM Drawer, 128k module, and 64k module. VIC music composer and Forth cartridges. Back to work now, keep computing

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Win95 + irritable user WAS: Re: FS: Mac Plus

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 06:36 PM 06/09/97 +0000, you wrote: >stared, look, no cdrom. And I was told by her that her husband >brought new system for her daughter at cool price of 8000 cdn and I >wondered about that price because her daughter needs a pc for her law >study at college, The typical use is WP use in that kind of area >even a $500-1000 base pentium system would fit very well for that! >Again with $8000, Easy to get 3 VERY decent P5 166/64mb/2.5GB/new >complete systems with truck loads of legal software for each >pc and a good laser printer or two to go with either two of them. Sounds like a candidate for the "Most Inappropriate use of Computer Hardware Award" to me. A WP, you could stick WP5.1 on an 8088 if it comes to that. Sounds like a member of the administration (who will remain nameless to protect the moronic) at the university I waste money in. Just after purchasing a spanking new Pentium 166 with 64mb and all the goodies, including an ATI All in Wonder card (on our nickel I might add!), he asked his secretary to scare up a new template for WP5.1, For this is all he used it for! (where's my wailin' stick when I need it :) >as well. I want none of that ideas that Mr. Gates and funny PnP, >winmodems that came out. I do not understand this. I stay away from anything that uses "win" as a prefix. What, no jumpers? Basically if Win95 can't get it to work on whatever IRQ or port that the device wants, your screwed. >This win95 (blows) leads to other options which I am looking at >linux. Linux is very promising and I am learning to use it, trying >to upgrade my old 2 4+ yr old 386 portables first also currently >learning on my other pentium 75 o/c'ed to 100 lunchbox. Then install >it on main pc when I feel more confident to put it to real use. :) Looking for a UNIX like OS for you 386? Why don't you get MINIX? A lot less overhead and pretty easy to set up. (not much out for it yet, put the list grows everyday) You could even get a version of Xwindows for it, and MINIX will run on an XT! (two versions, i86 and 386) Speaking of UNIX-like OS's, anybody remember Sundown drives which came loaded with Venix86? I believe a company called Unisource sold them. I wonder if there may be a 'virgin' drive somewhere just waiting to be used... ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

20 of them just got trashed, but if you want a couple I'll be stopping in the shop later this week and if they have a new batch in I will pick you up a couple. We can settle up after I get them. They also have alot of SE's, 512's, and sometimes the 128's. There is also a thrift store here that sells all computers for 80 cents including taxes. Everyone has started going here and it's getting harder to catch any good machines there. If anyone reading this is looking for HP stuff let me know as I passed on a complete HP3000 for $10. At 04:45 AM 9/7/97 -0200, you wrote: >At 05:53 PM 06/09/97 -0500, you wrote: >>I can get MAC Plus's for $5.35 including tax. I've have 3 or 4 already so I >>just walk by them now. > > $5.35 taxes in?!? Where? I live in a MAC deprived world. I would be very >interested in getting a few MAC plus's to add to my collection (i would be >interested in getting anything to add to my collection) Please let me know >where I could get some of these MACs > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > The Man From D.A.D >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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FS: Mac Plus

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

$300!? I know its not april fool's day. I must have got a deal of the century when I got a mac ][cx and 3.5 drive for $25... david In a message dated 97-09-06 14:26:50 EDT, you write: << A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80 MB HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate. manney(a)nwohio.com >>

28 years, 7 months

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Northstar Advantage

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, My find of the day was a "Northstar Advantage" and as per my normal luck with CP/M systems no OS. Still it seems to power on OK. I've got a few questions on it. First and formost would be where can I get an OS (would the Osbourne version of CP/M boot it)? Is there a "Monitor ROM" that I can drop the machine into? I see from the list of computers on the mailing lists web site, it's got a Z80 and a i80186 processors in it, OK that's nice, what does that mean to me? Also are there any good info resources for the "Northstar Advantage"? The one I've got has a 1" x 6" strip of metal with two threaded posts near the top sticking out (great for messing up arms), it's been stuck to the side of the case with that thin sticky foam, is this stock, or an add on? Any ideas what on earth it's for? I'm thinking a copy stand. Pardon my probable stupidity when it comes to CP/M systems, I think I'm up to four of them now, but only the Osbourne has disks and it won't boot, I think it's got a bad A: drive, because the disks boot a friends Osbourne. Thanks, Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

28 years, 7 months

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Vacation/Weekend Finds...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Hey everybody! Well just got back from a vacation in the (California) bay area... (Petaluma/Santa Rosa area to be more exact) and had a pretty dissapointing time in my rummaging for goodies at thrift shops... Of what I saw that took my notice were a Commodore 1902a monitor ($49, no thanks..) and an un-priced 800 XL keyboard unit. I balked at how much one place wanted to sell TRON figures ($15-$25 yikes!); I did get a certain Pac-Man lunch pail I had my eye on for a few years... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=---=-=-=---=-=-=-- Of course as it normally seems to go for me, my local stops prove more fruitfull. Some of the recent finds include a long sought-after October 1977 issue of Popular Science magazine (I remember seeing it on the newsstands) which displays what seems to be a prototype PET on the cover (w/rounded plastic case, only seen in promotional literature as far as I've seen, PS seems to have added wood-grain contact paper for an enhanced 'homey' look). Have scanned it and hope to put it on the site within the upcoming month or so. Also picked up the March '79 and May '83 issues as they had some cool pics of other early computers and home robots in them. Another very unexpected magazine find was four issues of ANTIC magazine (thier focus is Atari 8-bits), a couple notable articles were on building a lie-dectector and rigging your dot-matrix printer into an image scanner, both utilize the paddle port pins and other easy to get components and also sould be adaptable to the Commodore 64/VIC-20/128. :) Also bought a Fast Load Cartridge and C-64 Dust Cover (with a Protecto logo, remember them?) for a couple bucks. Stuff passed by were a few 64 units (overpriced if you ask me), a couple Plus/4s (one unbeleivably overpriced), and a PET (3.0 ROMs, 32k, w/book) that one was very tempting, but I know how little space I have after my last trip to the storage unit... Also passed a low-profile datasette (I have 30+ datasettes already but can you ever have enough cassette program recorders?) Saw a pretty complete ADAM system too: cpu (one tape drive), printer, controllers, carts, tapes, books (including a misplaced PET book), a couple extra ribbons all for $130 (choke!) though on Staturdays and Wednesdays they sell stuff for 1/2 price (still way too much to me....) Mac 512 (with doumentation), Mac SE, Tandy Model 100, etc.. I could go very broke quick If I started collecting everything, good thing I have control (ok... limited control, which is better then none at all.) One of these vacations I'll get corrdinated enough with one of my friends and spend a couple days in the Palo Alto/Silicon Valley area combing thrift shops, I think I might find some suprises there... Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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FS: Mac Plus

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 05:53 PM 06/09/97 -0500, you wrote: >I can get MAC Plus's for $5.35 including tax. I've have 3 or 4 already so I >just walk by them now. $5.35 taxes in?!? Where? I live in a MAC deprived world. I would be very interested in getting a few MAC plus's to add to my collection (i would be interested in getting anything to add to my collection) Please let me know where I could get some of these MACs ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Lost Message

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Tried sending a message four times with no luck ?? Looking for info on HTX-10 from Heathkit ??

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MicroVAX Help

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

On Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: <Well, I got the RD52 external HD on my MicroVAX-I working tonight. I swapp <the blown power supply with a new surplus one. Had to redrill the case, but >>A microvax-1? Really? Are you sure of that? Isn't a VAXstation-I considered a MicroVAX-I? One of the FAQs that I read made this reference, and it's a lot faster to type "uVAX" then "VAXstation" <g> >>Most of them couldn't support enough memory to run netbsd or ultrix. >>Generally in their day it was 2mb, sometimes 3mb. The reason was the >>CPU was two boards and memory at the time was either 512k or 1mb per >>board and there was only 8 slots in a ba23. so the typical line up was cpu, >>4 memory cards, an rqdx2 disk and a DHV or DZV serial card. the problem >>was that would put the power supply 20% over the top! This makes some sense. One of the first things that I had to fix was a melted power supply cable between the power supply (375w) and the backplane. Here is what I can see as the configuration: 4mb RAM, one DHV serial card, DEQNA Ethernet, a M9047 board (??), M7512 buss extender, an RQDX1, MSV11-Q memory, and 2 processor boards. I know that the MSV11 is only a 1mb board, but the bootloader reports about 3.5mb of RAM. The model tag on the back lists "610QK-XZ changed to VS20C-R2". It also has 2 internal floppy drives and one internal RD52 hard drive. <1. Since I don't know what is on the drive in the first place, how < do I avoid a permanent destruction of the file system yet still < correcting the problem? >>Well you have to know whats on the drive first. I've never seen a MV-1 >>running ultrix though it may be possible. < <2. If <1> is not possible, how do I go about fixing the problem. I < could not find a program named "fdisk", so either it had been < deleted from the root partition, or it's under another name. >>If it's ultrix then most unix conventions apply. >>If you booted in single user mode you do not have full access to the >>system. Would I accomplish this by logging-in to the system? Unfortunately, I don't have the root password. How can I get around this? <3. The only way that I could get the drive to respond is to put < the cable in the middle connector (J2). The drive did not < respond at all in J1 or J3. There must be jumpers somewhere < that govern this, like on the buss extender card, but I have < no jumper map. >>???? is this a ba23 or ba123? In a ba23 the rd52 disk is connected via >>two cables to bulkhead J7 and J2. if its a ba123 with M9058 distribution >>board then it's rd0(bottom most connector pair). The "J2" refers to the J2 on the external RD52 drive case. The buss extender is brought out to a DB50 to position "F" on the bulkhead. On the RD52 case, there are three DB50 connectors, J1 to J3. The drive only responds when using J2. Is this OK? How is this changed? <4. {unrelated} Every time I restart the uVAX, it complains about < the time needing to be reset. Do the uVAXen have internal < clock batteries that have to be recharged/replaced? << TIA for any help! >>Yes on the back of the console connector there is a battery pack of three >>aaa sized nicads. pull them and charge them by hand. if they don't charge >>you can find similar packs in many dec systems (rainbow, any ba23 or >>ba123 or vs2000 box). Also you can use any three cell pack for cordless >>phones that fit. Are you referring to the console connector on the bulkhead? On this unit, there is no battery pack. It only has two ribbon cables going to the processor boards. With this additional info, what do you recommend to do now? Thanks again for the help! Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com Rich

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CP/M, etc., 8" diskette value?

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Does anyone where there more knowledgeable than I happen to know what today's "going rate" is for old 8" diskettes. BLANK, and unlabeled... otherwise in mint-condition with jackets. I am looking at buying some and am curious as to how much they are usually sold for these days. Thanks in advance, CORD //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I can get MAC Plus's for $5.35 including tax. I've have 3 or 4 already so I just walk by them now. At 03:04 PM 9/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80 MB >HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He >wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate. > >manney(a)nwohio.com > > >

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MicroVAX help

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Hello, all: Well, I got the RD52 external HD on my MicroVAX-I working tonight. I swapped the blown power supply with a new surplus one. Had to redrill the case, but oh well. I also figured out that the VAX external drive cable is the same as a DB50 SCSI cable. So, the VAX now recognizes that there is an external drive device at /dev/rra1h but it complains that it has a bad superblock and a wrong magic number. It also once complained of a hard error "sn16". Sounds to me that it needs to be reformatted, or whatever the Ultrix equivalent of "fdisk /mbr" is to rebuild the boot block. Here are a few questions: 1. Since I don't know what is on the drive in the first place, how do I avoid a permanent destruction of the file system yet still correcting the problem? 2. If <1> is not possible, how do I go about fixing the problem. I could not find a program named "fdisk", so either it had been deleted from the root partition, or it's under another name. 3. The only way that I could get the drive to respond is to put the cable in the middle connector (J2). The drive did not respond at all in J1 or J3. There must be jumpers somewhere that govern this, like on the buss extender card, but I have no jumper map. 4. {unrelated} Every time I restart the uVAX, it complains about the time needing to be reset. Do the uVAXen have internal clock batteries that have to be recharged/replaced? TIA for any help! +============================================+ | Rich Cini/WUGNET | | <rcini(a)msn.com> | | MCP Windows 95 and Windows Networking, | | Charter ClubWin! Member (6) and a | | collector of classic computers | +============================================+

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MicroVAX help

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Despite their possible historical significance, I've never been able <> to justify keeping a Microvax I around. The 11/730 - which for most < <I suppose it'd be a relatively UN-power-sucking way to enjoy or learn <VAX assembly language. Microvax-I uses more power than a microvax-II. The lowest power VAXen of the lot may be the vs2000 or the 3100m38s as they are in the PC power use range and performance is good(maybe the best!) on a per watt basis. The microvax-I was historically significant as the first q-bus vax and smallest of the lot with the shortest production lifetime. Performance wise it was the bottom of the barrel. Most uVAX-Is were upgraded to uVAX-IIs (about 3x faster!) shortly after introduction. The uVAX-II offered 1meg of ram on card, FPU and a faster memory interface(PMI) along with denser 1mb, 2mb, and 4mb (and later 8/16mb) cards. This made a 5mb microvax-II possible in two cards instead of 7 using uVAX-I! Typical uVAX-IIs were 5 or 9mb with DEQNA, DHV11 and varying disk systems including the RA60, RA80 and RA81. This forced the phaseout of the 730 in favor of a smaller, lower cost, slightly better performing system with lower power needs. Allison

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FS: Mac Plus

by manney＠nwohio.com

A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80 MB HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate. manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 7 months

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MicroVAX help

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Well, I got the RD52 external HD on my MicroVAX-I working tonight. I swapp <the blown power supply with a new surplus one. Had to redrill the case, but A microvax-1? Really? Are you sure of that? Most of them couldn't support enough memory to run netbsd or ultrix. Generally in their day it was 2mb, sometimes 3mb. The reason was the CPU was two boards and memory at the time was either 512k or 1mb per board and there was only 8 slots in a ba23. so the typical line up was cpu, 4 memory cards, an rqdx2 disk and a DHV or DZV serial card. the problem was that would put the power supply 20% over the top! <1. Since I don't know what is on the drive in the first place, how < do I avoid a permanent destruction of the file system yet still < correcting the problem? Well you have to know whats on the drive first. I've never seen a MV-1 running ultrix though it may be possible. < <2. If <1> is not possible, how do I go about fixing the problem. I < could not find a program named "fdisk", so either it had been < deleted from the root partition, or it's under another name. If it's ultrix then most unix conventions apply. If you booted in single user mode you do not have full access to the system. <3. The only way that I could get the drive to respond is to put < the cable in the middle connector (J2). The drive did not < respond at all in J1 or J3. There must be jumpers somewhere < that govern this, like on the buss extender card, but I have < no jumper map. ???? is this a ba23 or ba123? In a ba23 the rd52 disk is connected via two cables to bulkhead J7 and J2. if its a ba123 with M9058 distribution board then it's rd0(bottom most connector pair). A third possibility is a two box ba23 system using a RQDXE, though drive 0 is nominally in the main box and the rqdxe is only needed for 3 or more drives (including the floppy). <4. {unrelated} Every time I restart the uVAX, it complains about < the time needing to be reset. Do the uVAXen have internal < clock batteries that have to be recharged/replaced? << TIA for any help! Yes on the back of the console connector there is a battery pack of three aaa sized nicads. pull them and charge them by hand. if they don't charge you can find similar packs in many dec systems (rainbow, any ba23 or ba123 or vs2000 box). Also you can use any three cell pack for cordless phones that fit. Allison

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Vintage Computer Festival

by dastar＠crl.com

Announcing the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival! ------------------------------------------------------ Mark your calendars! The first ever public celebration of vintage computers will take place at the Alameda County Fairgrounds in Pleasanton, California this October 25th and 26th. The Vintage Computer Festival (VCF) is the first event of its kind anywhere in the world. This two day festival will feature presentations and workshops by notable computer industry figures and vintage computer hobbyists. There will also be an on-site, hands-on vintage computer exhibition. Experiment with the classic computers of yesteryear! Each year a computer from the past is placed in the Vintage Computer Spotlight. This year we focus on the Apple ][. To celebrate the 20th anniversary of this classic, we will be giving away an original Apple ][ personal computer! Each person who attends the VCF is automatically entered into the drawing! Both seasoned and new computer collectors will enjoy workshops and panels to share ideas and learn about finding, acquiring, restoring, and enjoying vintage computers. The VCF also features the Vintage Computer Flea Market. Find those old computers, peripherals, manuals, and programs you've been looking for! The flea market is the ideal way for new comers to the field to start their own collection or for seasoned collectors to add to their existing stash. Celebrate the good old days of computing! Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival!!! When: October 25-26th, 9:00AM - 5:00PM daily Where: Alameda County Fairgrounds, Pleasanton, California Admission: Pre-registered ($SAVE$) Individual: $15 Family: $24 (two adults and four children) Benefits of pre-registration include: o Access to speakers, workshops, flea market and exhibition o Pre-paid parking To pre-register, send a check or money order to: Vintage Computer Festival 4275-29 Rosewood Drive #161 Pleasanton, California 94588 Please make checks payable to "Vintage Computer Festival" At-the-door o Speakers, Workshops, Flea Market and Exhibition Individual: $10.00 Family: $16.00 o Flea Market and Exhibition only Individual: $5.00 Family: $10.00 Please note: "At-the-door" rate is for a one day pass only and does not include parking. For more information including the latest list of speakers and workshops please check out: http://www.siconic.com/vcf or send e-mail to: mailto:vcf@siconic.com SEE YOU AT THE VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL!!! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Finds This Week

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Had a pretty good week picked up the following: 1. Pet 2001-8 with manuals (5.00) 2. Heath HTX-10 about the size of a C64, anyone have info on this one. Also need the 9pin power supply for this unit (5.00) 3. TRS-80 pocket printer parts 4. Apple Color Plus non working (5.00) 5. HP86 with 82936A Rom Drawer cartridge, 82909A 128k Memory module, 82908A 64k Memory module (4.00) 6. VIC Music Composer (.80) 7. VIC Forth (.80) 8. A 1' X 2' box full of new and used parts (still have to get into it) Well that's my finds for the week, have a big computer auction to attend on Saturday.

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inadvertant dumpster dive sorta

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Stopped at a new used-computer store and... After talking and business cards he offeres me a tandy 1000(25-1051) with docs, cables everything but a monitor and disks. Get it home open it up and it's got: 20meg HDcard Diamond trackstar (128k apple board uses appleDOS3.3) 1200baud modem Docs and the tech manual for the t-1000. not bad, eh! I need to fire it up and see what's on the harddrive (hope its the trackstart files). Allison

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Burroughs Computers

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Paul Pierce <prp(a)hf.intel.com> wrote: > The A-series computers are stack machines. Its a very interesting > architecture. At the time of the B5000 series it was considered ahead of > its time, but now that architecture is essentially dead. The most recent > new stack machine I know of is the original HP 3000 minicomputer from > the late 70's early 80's. The "classic" HP 3000 is identified by its series. Numbers <= 70, no designation at all, and the letters "CX" alone mean it's the classic stack machine. Numbers >= 900 mean it's a PA-RISC 3000. The first HP 3000s were shipped in November 1972, and were pretty much a disaster -- HP ended up recalling them. But they kept plugging at it and turned it into what I think is one of the finest transaction-processing systems available. I'm not sure when the last classics were introduced, but I think HP continued to sell some of the low-end ones (Micro 3000 GX/LX/RX) into the early 1990s, certainly into the late 1980s. The last of them go out of support life over the next year or so, though. HP 9000 series 500 (520, 540, 550, was there a 530?) are 32-bit stack machines inside, with the potential for multiple CPUs and IOPs on the larger systems. I think HP now has something called a T500 that is PA-RISC based; the old series 500s are pretty much forgotten (but not all gone, I have a 520 in storage that I need to reanimate). HP sold these from the early-to-mid 1980s before they were superseded by fast Motorola 680[23]0s and PA-RISC systems (series 300/400 and 800/700). -Frank McConnell "I want my MPE" (w/apologies to Dire Straits) <fmc(a)reanimators.org>

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DEC Scrounging & SWTPC 6800 Update

by wirehead＠retrocomputing.com

Uhhhh...was it my deodorant? =-) Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote: > unsubscribe > > ---------- > From: Anthony Clifton > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: DEC Scrounging & SWTPC 6800 Update > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 5:21PM > > > > (BTW, I'm going to leave this thread public because I think it might > be of interest to collectors new to the PDP series and who might run > across machines like this.) > > > > An 11/84 CPU alone apparently pulls 1100 watts > > > > A *fully-loaded* 10.5" 11/84 box will pull 1100 watts. A very much > > reduced configuration - just a CPU, memory, and (non KDA50) disk > controller > > - will only draw 100 watts or so. > > > Well the backplane looked about half full roughly. So this is sounding > a bit more hopeful. I have $10 a month to spend on this machine for > electricity at about 8 cents per kilowatt hour so.... > > > I believe the spec for the RA-80 spinup surge current is 40 Amps. While > > running, it's probably about 7 amps. > > > I didn't have ALOT of time to look the machine over but I did look in > the > back of the cabinet containing the TU80 and the RA80 and saw a sticker > that said "30 amps" which I ASSUMED referred to the RA80. I only ever > owned RL and RK series drives when I was collecting PDPs in the early > 90s...what are the size etc specs on the RA80? A friend of mine and I > built an 11/34 system with 2 or 3 RK series drives and an older model > DEC 9 track drive. So I'm not completely ignorant but I'm still getting > used to the CURRENT state of the art in throwaway PDPs. > > > A TU80 doesn't take much; about 50 watts with power off, and less than > > 200 watts with the blower and reels running. > > > Aha! This IS sounding alot more hopeful. Basically, if I could come up > with a controller to drive modern SCSI drives or something a bit less > power hungry, I could probably afford to run this guy at least all > weekend > every weekend or something like that. Hmmm...I wonder if there's any > market for converting 9 track media to more modern forms? It'd only > take $60.00 a month, with modern drives, to run the beastie 24 hours... > perhaps less. =-) > > > (presumably) is in the 11/84 will also talk to RA7n's and RA9n's. With > > a Emulex/CMD/Dilog ESDI or SCSI controller in the box, you can even hook > > up perfectly modern 3.5" hard drives. > > > Hmmmm...what's strange is that they claim they upgraded the drive around > two years ago. Upgrading TO an RA80 seems a bit strange in 1995. But > the > front of the drive said RA80 so.... > > > > Now for my request, if anyone has schematics or technical drawings of > this > > > > What do you specifically need? A print set for a complete configuration > > is several hundred 11x17" sheets... > > Sheesh. I guess that's true...the print set for my old 34 was several > 'books' of many pages a piece if I recall correctly. Ummm...if anyone > has the print set for an 11/84 they'd like to go to a good home then > let me know. =-) (If not, I'll probably run across one one of these > days.) > > The machine DOES work apparently and the guy who operated it showed it > to > me today. He claims that it worked fine when they shut it down 2 years > ago (yeah yeah I know) and it's just been sitting in the corner since > then. He claims that if I plugged it in, which I didn't have an > opportunity to do, it would come right up into RSX. We'll see after > next week. One other obstacle is that it all has the funky twisty > safety > plugs on the AC cords but it's configured for 125 v etc so I'll replace > the plugs, like I did on my 34, with high quality normal ones. > > Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime >

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Burroughs Computers

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Burroughs machines are rare, especially one this old. Burroughs had a > policy of taking back their old machines in trade, which they would then > destroy to avoid having used machines in competition with their new > ones. Rumor around here is that when it came time to get rid of the old Burroughs, Burroughs sold a new machine to the university that bid on our old machine for less than what they had bid on the old machine. Everyone here assumed it was because Burroughs was pissed that we had gone with big VAXen; but perhaps that was just the way Burroughs worked. > The A-series computers are stack machines. Its a very interesting > architecture. At the time of the B5000 series it was considered ahead of > its time, but now that architecture is essentially dead. The most recent > new stack machine I know of is the original HP 3000 minicomputer from > the late 70's early 80's. It is inherently difficult to get a stack > machine to run very fast, like today's superscalar microprocessors. But > a stack architecture results in small code. The virtual machine for Java > byte code is a stack architecture. http://www.ptsc.com/ describes ShBoom, a stack machine designed by Chuck Moore (aka the inventor of Forth). The theory behind ShBoom, and his more recent stack machine, is that if you use a wide word (in this case 32 bits) you can fetch a whole bunch of tiny instructions at once then blaze through them. In the case of ShBoom, the core runs at 100Mhz while the external bus runs slower. Since each opcode is a byte, he can fetch four opcodes at once with the slower bus rate yet keep the fast internal core fed. Chuck Moore also has some newer designs. F21 and P21, for instance. These are 21-bit machines with (IIRC) a 20-bit external bus. Each opcode is five bits, so (again) he's fetching four instructions with each external bus transaction. There was a big argument on comp.arch recently about just how hard it is to go superscalar on a stack machine. IIRC, a Unisys A series engineer was heavily involved in that discussion. Perhaps interested folks can dredge it up using http://www.dejanews.com/. I don't recall whether there was a conclusion to the argument (is there ever a conclusion on usenet?); a lot of the discussion was over my head. Roger ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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PDP11

by Chwolka＠t-online.de

Hi.. I 've a PDP-11 (19" rack) at home and it will not boot. It seems as if the bus is blocked by the power.. -- Greetings from Fritz Chwolka / collecting old computers just for fun supporting the Unofficial CP/M Web Page look at http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/ *-------------------------------------------------------* ! Internet: Chwolka(a)nt-gmbh.de ! ! Chwolka(a)t-online.de ! *=======================================================* ! ! ! If you have an old CP/M System don't throw it away. ! ! Try to find someone who give the system a new home. ! ! ! *-------------------------------------------------------*

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WANTED: QBus Modules

by See-My-Sig-For-My-＠ddress.com

NOTE: Address munged to discourage spambots. Check my signature line for the real thing. <Cross-sent to the classic computer mailing list> I have need of the following QBus modules: 1 ea. M7552 (Qbus RRD50 controller) 2 ea. M7546 (Qbus TK50 controller) Anyone who has such that they're willing to get rid of, please drop me an E-mail. Commercial vendors, please note that I am a hobbyist and that I lack the deep pockets (financially speaking) of companies that still run MicroVAXen and MicroPDP. Please keep that in mind when making price offerings. Thanks to all in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid -- kyrrin2-At-Wizards-Dot-Net "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

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[Long] HHC Eprom Update!

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> they are all inserted into a special carrier-like thingamabob that made it > easy to insert/remove the ROM packages and has a .1 or .01 microFarad > capacitor soldered betwen Vcc and ground on each chip... I guess that's why > they're heavier than normal. Would this happen to be the _same_ carrier that the Epson folks used for ROMs in the PX-8? If so, you might be able to sell some to PX-8 folks that want to make their own ROMs. Roger "I just pushed a standard DIP in carefully and it fit" Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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HHC Eprom Update!

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Huw Davies said: >I'll admit to having it at home. I assume you're talking about the January >1981 issue? I'll write a note to myself and bring it in tomorrow (yes, >Saturday) and scan it in... Kool. I meandered over to Motorola's website last nite, and tho they did not have the datasheets for these chips on the Web, they were available thru their faxback system... so I have the datasheets IMTLF (in my tight little fists) right now. I'm leaving it up to you what I scan in... I'm definately scanning in the pinout w/information, but do y'all want me to: 1) scan in the programming timing information? 2) scan in the fast programming algorithm? 3) scan in anything else? Oh, and tho the chips have a "C" on them (as in MCM68764C) the datasheets say they're N-channel MOS. Unmarked speed chips are 450ns access, but there are some 350ns parts available as well. Anyway, expect to see some info on this arrive over the weekend on my website... as it looks like I may actually have 4 or 5 seconds this weekend to work on it! http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/geezers.shtml for my geezer computer page. (it's small, it's lame, but it's mine! ;-) Toodles, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

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hhc eproms (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Allison J Parent wrote: > < I didn't hear from you before so can you let me know if there is going > <be any need for HHC eproms? I am sitting on approx. 5000 of them which I ha > <received a salvage offer of $1.25/lb for and I'm probably going to take,but > > At that price I'll consider a few pounds+ shipping. Di I contact him > direct? Is he willing for say do a two pound package for say $5 +shipping? > to multiple respondents or would he like to see 10 pound blocks? I'd be > willing to do say 10# if I had others willing to pay say 10-15% over my cost > for packing materials for smaller distributions. This intent is that I'd > want to recoup my cost. I should've posted his e-mail address for replies. Sorry. He's at Mikeooo1(a)aol.com. Talk to him directly about working out a bulk deal. I'm sure he'd be happy to work something out. I have no involvment in the deal. Thanks! Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Burroughs B6800

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Adam, The B6800 is a huge mainframe in mutiple large cabinets and requiring air conditioning, false floor, etc. Having said that, it is certainly an interesting machine but not appropriate for a home collection, now if you had a warehouse..... Regards Hans B Pufal

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Ton of stuff list

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Ok gang, a pile of stuff (somewhat recent, looks like a parts pile, but...) near Ventura, California that is dumpster bound unless someone makes a grab... Contact the person directly at the address below. -jim >From: "Richard J. Bodan" <RJB-CONSULTING(a)worldnet.att.net> >Reply-To: RJB-CONSULTING(a)worldnet.att.net >Subject: Re: Ton of stuff list > >Here is a brief list that just touches the tip of the iceberg. > >10 to 15 XT chassis and Mborads >10 to 15 mono, CGA, EGA, VGA minitors >various printers and excesseories >none of this works!! >Just looking for somebody to get it the hell out of here. >Who do you think you know that might want it?? > >RJ Bodan > > --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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TRS-80, etc.

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I too have a few TRS-80 machines, books on TRS-80, manuals, and software. I will try and send you a list of extras. I may be able to get that Atari 800 for you. At 10:03 AM 9/4/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Howdy folks: > >I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very >complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your >name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists >of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it >even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the >shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'. > >I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in >games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use >with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share >this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold >game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I >also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well >as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many >other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie, >Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20, >Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex >systems. > >All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses >(postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as >I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my >shelves. > >I am also looking for the following items in particular: > >1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading >for those item. > >2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US >Journal magazines, etc. > >3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80 > >4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053. > >Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these >hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're >looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know. >I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate >any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most >gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game >machine collection. > >Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for >all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators! > >Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer: >via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look >forward to hearing from you. > >Best Wishes, > >CORD COSLOR > >//*=====================================================================++ >|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || >|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || >|| Classic computer software and hardware collector || >|| Autograph collector || >++=====================================================================*// > > > > >

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DEC Assistance

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

At 07:58 28-08-97 -0800, you wrote: >> Tim or Allison, I could really use your help. Tim, I think something in >> the mail system may be preventing my messages from reaching you. > >That might be. I see your messages here on classiccmp, at least... <whew!> That, at least, is something... for a while, I thought I had pestered you to death or some silly thing... ;-) >OK, one last attempt with VMS EXCHANGE: <snip> Thank you! It all worked, and I now have the necessary files unZIPped onto the MicroVAX. Now the next hurdle; Ever since I installed OpenVMS 6.2, my second TK50 has disappeared. The device scan, at initial boot, won't even detect it. Hardware setup is: KA630 CPU, v. 1.3 firmware 16 MB memory M3104 8-port serial MUX DELQA Ethernet card (M7516YA) RQDX3 (M7555), two RD54's and an RX50 Two TK50 drives/controllers (M7546) RRD40 CD-ROM controller (M7552) The Really Odd Thing is that it worked before, under MicroVMS 4.6, but now it won't even work with that. I suspect, though I've not confirmed it yet, that it may have to do with: 1). The fact that I've added a CD-ROM controller (appears as DUB0:)... 2). The order that I've got boards plugged into the backplane (BA123 box). Tonight, I will try transposing the positions of the two TK50 controllers I have. I will also try jumpering the suspect controller as the primary and removing the RRD40's board. Any suggestions would be welcome. As mentioned, I find it interesting that two TK50's worked under MicroVMS 4.6, then suddenly stopped working under 6.2. Do I need to use SYSGEN, perhaps, after the fact? If so, what string do I feed it? (low on docs again!) For comparison/test purposes, I'm going to CC this to the CLASSICCMP mailing list as well as your return address. Whichever one you see first will tell me if there really is a problem with the mail system. CLASSICCMP users, my apologies. Please bear with me until I can figure out what's been going weird with mail to Tim's site. Thanks in advance! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Apple II series disk drive question

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

What is the difference between an AppleDisk 5.25 and an Apple DuoDisk 5.25? Which work on the IIe and which on the IIgs? Does a IIgs 3.5" drive work on the IIe? thanks Kai

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S-100 stuff (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

PLEASE SEND ALL REPLIES TO edick(a)idcomm.com DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE! Here's a message from the guy in Colorado who has a bunch of old S-100 systems and documentation among other things that he's giving away. He says he has a truckload of media, a bunch of 8" drives and other stuff. Someone else on the list turned me onto him (forgot who). Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:26:22 -0600 From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> Subject: Re: S-100 stuff DO you have any interest in documentation for the old CP/m-based software, perhaps along with software? I've been throwing stuff away, in order to make room for another bedroom in the basement. Lots of stuff is sitting in the covered portion of my carport. Some of this is original documentation and some is copied. There's also a fair amount of documentation on printers, terminals, and other peripherals. Not all of it is in totally messed up condition, but some is pretty poor. Nonetheless, It works! If you know of anyone who wants this type of stuff, pass on the word! It's all free for the taking, since it's on the final sort headed for the dumpster. All I want is to avoid having to PAY to have it taken, so I do need payment for the freight.

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IBM 5100!

by thedm＠sunflower.com

If I recall correctly they just go straight into basic. ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: IBM 5100! > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 2:02 PM > > I met a friend of mine whom I hadn't seen in several years last night. We > got to talking and I found out she had thrown out an IBM 5110 system a while > ago <sigh>. BUT she still had the 5100 and I picked it up this morning. It > consists of the 5100, a tape unit, printer, and monitor. They will be > looking around for any documentation as it used to be kept with the > machine. In the mean time, does anyone know anything about how to start up > this thing? I doubt I'll have problems with plugging everything together, > but after I throw the power on switch, what happens then? Thanks.

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mac plus

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>I just picked up a MAC PLUS and on the inside of the case it is silver >with lots of signatures moulded on it , I know my AMIGA 1000 has this >but the other Mac i have is just plain , Is this common ???? The Mac 128, Mac 512 and Mac Plus all had the signatures. Later versions, like the classics, did not. To my knowledge, the only other signed apple was the "Limited Edition" Woz Apple IIgs, and that was signed on the outside. I am not sure about the 512k, but I assume it was signed - I keep meaning to open up mine but never seem to get around to it. Adam.

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Burroughs Computers

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> I have a lead on a computer, a Burroughs 6800, that is apparantly being > kept in a store-room and not being used. It seems I should be able to get > it if I asked. My question is - do I want it? Mostly I have limited > myself to micros, as they are small and fit my own interests, but I have > always been willing to accept larger systems. But as a result I know > nothing about Burroughs - is this thing huge, or what? It is huge. It is a mainframe size system. The one we used to have here filled a large room. > Is it rare, common, > powerful or just dull? The main thing about the line which includes the 6800 is that they are stack machines, which is unusual. I don't know about the popularity of the 6800 model, but Unisys still sells machines in that line (and they are still stack machines, and can still execute 6800 code). Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Laser 50 kids computer?

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

I am wondering if anyone else might have one of these Laser 50 computers available? Some more information on this computer. It was manufactured by V-Tech (Video technology Ltd.) in the mid 1980s. It was a small, white, lap-top size computer. It had a single line LCD display and was marketed as a childrens education or beginner's computer, and contained BASIC only. You could expand this 1.5k system by buying cassette recorder, two different printers, and a memory expansion cartridge. OH, yes... you could save up to 9 different programs internally on the computer. Now I also remember it ran on batteries though you could hook up a DC converter to plug into the wall. Had a full-feature BASIC programming language built in, including sound commands... although it didn't have any graphics capabilities (that I know of) it was a fun little computer. Anyway, what I am asking is if anyone out there has one of these or knows where I might be able to find one.... PLEASE let me know. I used to have one (lost it YEARS ago) and I would like my children to be able to use it a bit... plus it's kind of a piece of my computing history that I would like to bring back to my collection! Thanks a lot, and I hope someone has an inkling obout this machine. P.S. This isn't an Apple or IBM close. Best Wishes, CORD COSLOR P.S. I would be willing to pay virtually whatever you want for it (reasonable), and may consider trading my V-Tech Pre Computer 1000 for it. This pre 1000 computer contains BASIC, and many games and trivia sections as well. //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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Remex paper tape readers

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Well, my inspiration to advertise with machine tool vendors to find a paper tape reader has paid off. A vendor has several Remex high-speed paper tape readers for sale. I know these were frequently used with PDP's, does anyone know what type of interface they have? RS-232, current loop...? thanks Kai

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mac plus

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 09:43 PM 03/09/97 GMT, you wrote: >I just picked up a MAC PLUS and on the inside of the case it is silver >with lots of signatures moulded on it , I know my AMIGA 1000 has this >but the other Mac i have is just plain , Is this common ???? > >Cheers Chris Denham > I don't know if you could call it common, however I do know that the Mac 512 had it, as well as the Mac Classic (i don't think the original Mac or the later Mac 128 had a signed case, but I could be wrong). A funny story I heard about these sigs is that on at least one (if not all), Jobs sig is large and right in the middle while Woz's is down in the corner. However a seam or vent ran through Jobs and all but made it unreadable :) I always assumed that the Mac Plus was unsigned, but I guess your machine has proved me wrong (I should dig out that long torx screwdriver and get inside of mine again) Is there a list somewhere naming all of the signed Macs? And how many other computers had signed cases? I think its great that these early machines were produced with signed cases, it shows a pride in the workmanship, as well as the simplicity of design when you could fit all of the important names on the inside of a computer case. Try that with todays wintel boxes (as if they would want to be 'fingered' as the culprits ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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mac plus

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

All mac+ have the signatures cast into the case like that. I have the platinum mac + model which was later than the beige ones, and it still has the signatures. I heard some folklore that said that steve jobs' signature is the biggest one, and the rest of them are much smaller... In a message dated 97-09-03 19:26:06 EDT, you write: << I have Mac + with that signatures too and how common this was I dunno. But I did heard of that in first 1000 produced of that 1k Amigas had these signed in top shell so it's somewhat rare. I see that also in some Mac 128k's. I did not know of any else done that besides said two brands. Jason D >>

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CLASSICCMP digest 163

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

At 00:02 03-09-97 PDT, you wrote: <snip> >Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:11:58 -0800 (PDT) >From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> >To: classiccmp(a)u.WASHINGTON.edu >Subject: Re: Remex paper tape readers >Message-ID: <9709030111.AA03666(a)alph02.triumf.ca> >Content-Type: text > >> Kai - I'll bite - how much does he want for one???? >> I don't care about the interface - I'll build my own. >> >> How about some Reader/Punches 8-) > >Do Model 33 ASR's ever show up at hamfests anymore? Back when I was in >high school, these were the de facto solution for reading and/or >Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:18:43 -0400 (EDT) >From: William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> >To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subject: Re: Remex paper tape readers >Message-ID: <199709030118.AA05958(a)interlock.ans.net> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >> Do Model 33 ASR's ever show up at hamfests anymore? > >No, nobody wants to drag anything that heavy. What might work is if you >pin a sign to your back saying that you actually want one of the things - >people may offer many of them to you just for hauling. <snip> I beg to differ. I saw one, in excellent condition, show up at a hamfest near the Oregon/Washington border (Longview) not that long ago. I think it was a freebie. The only reason I didn't take it is because I used to work on the things and I know, full-well, what kind of a pain they can be. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Remex paper tape readers

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

>> A vendor has several Remex high-speed paper tape readers for sale. I > Kai - I'll bite - how much does he want for one???? I don't know yet... he has about 5 available. I'll find out. Kai

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DMC Commfile

by dastar＠crl.com

Ok, my friend gave me two DMC systems this weekend. Never heard of DMC and I'm hoping someone else has. The box is about 12" high, 19" wide and about 18" deep. The front panel has a POWER and RESET switch. It says "DMC" and under that "Division of Cetec Corporation". It also says "COMMFILE". I'm assuming that's the name of this system. On the back serial number sticker, one says model 125 and the other model 130. The difference seems to be in the number of serial ports and RAM each has. Both have two integrated 8" disk drives. Inside we find a card cage with 8 slots. The cards at first look like S-100 but upon closer inspection (and a count) I noticed that they actually have 60 conductors on the each side of the edge connector. On the component side, conductors 12-51 are common. The cards are about 1.5 times the height of a typical S-100 board, and the same width. The CPU board has an 8080 on it. There are two serial ports on the back of each, one labeled "OPERATOR CONSOLE" and the other "MODEM". I got two 8" floppies (hacked into double-sided) with the system. Only one seems to boot. I plugged a terminal into the operator console port and booted the disk (it only takes about 2 seconds) and get: READY (V7.0) and then a flashing cursor. Haven't figured out any commands yet, because anytime I type anything I get: ?? INVALID COMMAND and then the READY prompt. Anyone know what I've got? I don't know if my friend knows but he wasn't around when I picked them up so I haven't had a chance to ask him. My guess is he knows nothing about them anyway. He's been sitting on them for years and finally decided he was sick of them taking up space in his room. Any help would be appreciated. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Laser Magnetic Storage Co.

by manney＠nwohio.com

> > Anyone ever heard of "Laser Magnetic Storage Co."? They made mass > > storage > > devices...I'm trying to find a driver. > > > > Thanks > > manney(a)nwohio.com > They are part of Philips, they still operate as Philips-LMS and now make > optical drives sold under the Philips brand. > > James Thanks a lot! I'll check. Manney

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Link to Good Photos

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Here's a link to a series of historic photos. Sorry for wasted bandwidth if everybody knows about this! http://ftp.arl.mil/ftp/historic-computers/ Kevin --- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Challenger 2P

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-09-01 05:59:08 EDT, you write: << >John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > >> Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by >> Ohio >> Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one? > >Interesting find! I have the Ohio Scientific Challlenger II, Model C2-4P, >S/N732 and haven't found much info on it. The machine was obtained from a >friend of a friend and no docs or anything came with it. So I also would be >interested in any information you find out about this machine! >> I have the C1P model which came with some interesting sale documentation and even some program printouts by someone who was actually using it. it also have what appears to be a tech. reference manual and board schematics. i dont have a scanner, but I suppose I could use the copier at work if theres a need for this material. david

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Challenger 2P

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > >> Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by >> Ohio >> Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one? > >Interesting find! I have the Ohio Scientific Challlenger II, Model C2-4P, >S/N732 and haven't found much info on it. The machine was obtained from a >friend of a friend and no docs or anything came with it. So I also would be >interested in any information you find out about this machine! I don't have much, but I can give some of what I know. Ohio Scientific made, or so I gather, four 8 bit home computers - the C1P, C2P, C4P and C8P. Most of my info seems to be on the C8P, which was regarded as The Home Computer of the Future largely due to its ability to control your security system, electrical appliances (like lights), smoke alarms and so on, as well as being able to dial up the police when needed. The C2P, according to the little I have here, was a CIP with more ports, as the IP had but one. Thus the info I have on specs is mostly for the 1P, not the 2P, so I will give that in case it helps. Anyway, the IP is said to have been the first fully packaged home computer that you could just plug in and use. It came with either the MOS 6502 or Motorola 6800 cpu as standard (depending on your requirements) and had a CPU expansion board, allowing the addition of a Z80 or one of several other popular CPU's. It had a standard 53 key keyboard, upper and lower case letters, and 64 char by 24 line mono video. 4k or 12K RAM was standard, with8k BASIC in ROM. Sorry that I don't have more, but my interest tends to lie in the history, rather than the specs. Just for fun, it is worth noting that Ohio Scientific is noted for being the first PC Company to have a woman (Charity Engel Cheiky, I think) as President. Adam.

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Challenger 2P

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I recently aquired a 1040STe and STf as well. It's a great machine, If you need a monitor for one I know where you can get a color 14inch stereo monitor for 85.00. This machine will do Slip, PPP and do just about anything a PC will do on the web, {with some upgrades} the Atari ST's were very cool machines I've found. If you need any info or help with the Atari, don't hesitate to ask, Its a wonderful fun machine. ---------- > From: Adam Jenkins <adam(a)merlin.net.au> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Challenger 2P > Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 9:45 PM > > >John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > > > >> Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by > >> Ohio > >> Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one? > > > >Interesting find! I have the Ohio Scientific Challlenger II, Model C2-4P, > >S/N732 and haven't found much info on it. The machine was obtained from a > >friend of a friend and no docs or anything came with it. So I also would be > >interested in any information you find out about this machine! > > I don't have much, but I can give some of what I know. Ohio Scientific > made, or so I gather, four 8 bit home computers - the C1P, C2P, C4P and > C8P. Most of my info seems to be on the C8P, which was regarded as The Home > Computer of the Future largely due to its ability to control your security > system, electrical appliances (like lights), smoke alarms and so on, as > well as being able to dial up the police when needed. > > The C2P, according to the little I have here, was a CIP with more ports, as > the IP had but one. Thus the info I have on specs is mostly for the 1P, not > the 2P, so I will give that in case it helps. > > Anyway, the IP is said to have been the first fully packaged home computer > that you could just plug in and use. It came with either the MOS 6502 or > Motorola 6800 cpu as standard (depending on your requirements) and had a > CPU expansion board, allowing the addition of a Z80 or one of several other > popular CPU's. It had a standard 53 key keyboard, upper and lower case > letters, and 64 char by 24 line mono video. 4k or 12K RAM was standard, > with8k BASIC in ROM. > > Sorry that I don't have more, but my interest tends to lie in the history, > rather than the specs. Just for fun, it is worth noting that Ohio > Scientific is noted for being the first PC Company to have a woman (Charity > Engel Cheiky, I think) as President. > > Adam. >

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Challenger 2P

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by Ohio Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one?; 2. ATARI 1040STF with mouse; 3. A IBM 5110, had to leave the 8inch drive unit and the printer no more in car; 4. Tandy FD 501 unit; 5. IBM tape unit Type 3363; 6. SUN SPARC station 1 model147; 7. CPT9000; and 8. Nextstation and color monitor. Now to get it all cleaned up and working.

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Sinclair kits

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 07:42 AM 30/08/97 +0200, you wrote: >Adam Jenkins wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling Sinclair >> ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits years >> ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting one >> of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly >> significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK. >> >> Anyway, it's at: >> >> http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts >> >> and all the standard disclaimers apply. :) >> >> Adam. > >Thank you for pointing this to me BUT.....I have tried >e-mailing and snail mailing them and....they don't answer. >Fullstop. > >Perhaps they don't supply overseas. Try and let me know. >However their kits are American and that means that the >machines will NOT work in UK. > Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the ZX81 a UK machine? I was under the understanding that it was sold in North America as the TS1000 (Timex/Sinclair). I'm pretty sure the ZX81 was made in the UK (at least that's what mine says on the case). Of course I'm not sure if it was made in the UK for a North American market... ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinclair kits

by thedm＠sunflower.com

The ZX81 was sold in both the US and the UK, the US version had a VHF RF modulator and the UK version had a UHF modulator. ---------- > From: Alan Richards <alanr(a)morgan.ucs.mun.ca> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Sinclair kits > Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 12:24 AM > > At 07:42 AM 30/08/97 +0200, you wrote: > >Adam Jenkins wrote: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling Sinclair > >> ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits years > >> ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting one > >> of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly > >> significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK. > >> > >> Anyway, it's at: > >> > >> http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts > >> > >> and all the standard disclaimers apply. :) > >> > >> Adam. > > > >Thank you for pointing this to me BUT.....I have tried > >e-mailing and snail mailing them and....they don't answer. > >Fullstop. > > > >Perhaps they don't supply overseas. Try and let me know. > >However their kits are American and that means that the > >machines will NOT work in UK. > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the ZX81 a UK machine? I was under > the understanding that it was sold in North America as the TS1000 > (Timex/Sinclair). I'm pretty sure the ZX81 was made in the UK (at least > that's what mine says on the case). > Of course I'm not sure if it was made in the UK for a North American market... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > The Man From D.A.D > ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Are you receiving this?

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

CLASSICCMP READERS: Please pardon the CC. I'm still not sure that Tim is able to receive mail from me for whatever reason. Ok... here's the current status. I've used SYSGEN as you described, reset a couple of cards as needed to correct some mis-set addresses, and put everything back together. I've used AUTOCONFIG ALL /SELECT=(PU,PT,XQ,TX). This should have configured the tapes, the disks, the DELQA, and the DHV11. I then issued the commands: SYSGEN> WRITE ACTIVE SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENT SYSGEN> EXIT I then shut down and rebooted. However, the second TK50 still does not appear to be available under any of the device names. It should, I thought, come up as MUB0:, PUA0: or PUB0:. I cannot mount it under any of those designators. At this point, I am reinstalling OpenVMS 6.2 from scratch on another drive. I'll see what happens then. I've borrowed some documentation that covers SYSGEN, but either I'm not doing something right or I've overlooked something so basic that either one of us might take it for granted. Could the problems I've been having with the license management affect it? As soon as I get the hardware issues dealt with, I can -- FINALLY!! -- copy that stupid tape! Please let me know if you receive this in your E-mail box or only from CLASSICCMP. Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Sinclair kits

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Wont they work if you just get an PAL RF modulator? Or don't install the modulator and just use a composite monitor. ---------- > From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Sinclair kits > Date: Saturday, August 30, 1997 12:42 AM > > Adam Jenkins wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling Sinclair > > ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits years > > ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting one > > of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly > > significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK. > > > > Anyway, it's at: > > > > http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts > > > > and all the standard disclaimers apply. :) > > > > Adam. > > Thank you for pointing this to me BUT.....I have tried > e-mailing and snail mailing them and....they don't answer. > Fullstop. > > Perhaps they don't supply overseas. Try and let me know. > However their kits are American and that means that the > machines will NOT work in UK. > > Good luck. > > enrico > -- > ============================================================ > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile > website: <http://www.Brighton-UK.com> > ============================================================ >

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help with some recent finds

by dastar＠crl.com

Ok, I picked up some keen stuff today that I'd like to hopefully get some information for. 1. Tektronix 4041 Computer/Controller. Now this is neat. Unfortunately it doesn't do a whole lot at the moment. First a description: its about 8" wide by 8" high (front) by 2' long. It has a built-in 20 column thermal printer and a DC-100 tape drive. The front panel consists of a numeric keypad plus some other special function keys, an LED display and some status LEDs. I opened it up and found that it is a 68000 based system. It seems to use an S-100 bus, since the cards have S-100 edge connectors. It has four slots, and two of the slots are filled. One has the CPU card with the 68000 processor. The other is a Standard I/O card. The two other slots are Read/Write Memory (RAM) and an Option Card slot. The front panel also has a slot for a ROM pack. The ROM pack is a tray that pulls out and has two ROM packs plugged in with room for 4 more ROM packs. The ROM packs included allow for BASIC programming. On the back is an RS-232C port and a GP-IB (IEEE488) port. It is circa 1981. When I first booted it up the printer started spitting out paper. The next time I turned it on only the power LED came on. I then turned it off and opened up the cover to examine its innards. I pulled each card and checked them out then replaced them. I turned it back on and this time got "SELF TEST" on the display. It never does anything after that. I got two manuals with it, and of what I've read so far, the self test should check all the controllers for the tape drive, the printer, the front panel, and perform other diagnostics, then show the ROM version, but it never does this. I'm wondering if a lack of a RAM card is the culprit. This system also came with an optional programming keyboard, which was just a full size keyboard for entering in programs. If anyone can shed any light on this sucker and what else it could do I would appreciate it. I remember seeing in a book I have a picture of the graphics output of some Tektronix computer on a screen. I can't remember what book this was in or even where that book may be. I wonder if this is the system that produced that output? 2. A Lynx 460 Floppy Drive Alignment Tester. It has two connectors for 8" and 5.25" floppy drives. It has all sorts of toggle switches on it for selecting the drive (1, 2, 3 or 4), the head (1 or 0), the track address, etc. It also has status LEDs to show, for instance, Amplitude, Radial, Head Load, etc. Not that I know what any of this means (not yet at least, I got it with manuals and the manuals have a nice introduction to disk drive theory of operation). Anyway, apparently you use this in conjunction with alignment disks. Looks like a cool box (it's very small, the size of a notebook) that will come in handy in years to come. Any further information on either of these would be appreciated. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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FW: Old data storage devices

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Would others on the list like to help this fellow out? Bet he'll get some interesting recollections from this bunch. ;-) Please respond directly to the author. Also, Bill Whitson has indicated he'll try again, this weekend, to make it to my place. Let's all root for him, OK? ;-) Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >From: andrewl(a)rd.bbc.co.uk (Andrew Lipscombe) >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 12:31:54 BST >To: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net >Subject: Old data storage devices > >I am currently researching into the history of off-line and on-line storage >as part of a project. Specifically I am looking for information regarding >what $100 (or 100 pounds) would buy at five year intervals from 1960, 1965 >etc up to the present day. Or the price per megabyte at the same interval. > >Any information you can provide with regards to price of tape, disk, >paper/punchcard, drum etc storage since the first RAMAC would be very useful >indeed. There are several graphs available for predicting future trends, but >I am looking specifically for data from the past. It doesn't have to be comprehensive info, in fact just a few ballpark figures would do very nicely! > >In fact I'm after any half-remembered original prices of any hard or floppy >drives that you may have acquired! > >Thanks in advance for your help, > >Andrew Lipscombe >BBC R&D > >ps if you can't help, could you please pass this message onto someone who might >be able to. Cheers > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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FW: Re: Q-bus cards.

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

I've been in correspondence with a fellow who's got a lot of older VAXen, Q-Bus, and disk drive goodies. He may also have some mainframe stuff. I've already claimed a QBus-to-SA1000 disk interface board set. Please contact him directly if you want more details. Thanks! Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >Reply-To: <edick(a)idcomm.com> >From: edick(a)idcomm.com (Richard Erlacher) >To: "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin2(a)wizards.net> >Subject: Re: Q-bus cards. >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:44:45 -0600 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 > >Nope . . . it's just junk in the basement from back when I was contemplating >building up a Q-bus system. I quickly gave up on that one . . . > >You cover the freight. Probably $3 per board via USPS priority mail would >cover it. Q-bus SCSI cards from makers like EMULEX were still very hot when I >got this 2-board set. I looked at the size of the project, and looked at the >product I'd have when the work was done, and quit right there. I had some >memory cards, and even an 11-780 (VAX) rack pair, but without drives or memory >cards. One trip down the stairs with that convinced me I didn't want any more >of that stuff. ]] > >I still have a few dumb terminals (not ANSI) and a few old printers. I even >have a SASI interfaced hard drive, complete with the bridge controller >(SA1000). Mostly, I have old 70's and 80's S-100 stuff.. > >If you're interested in the drives which go with the controller, you need to >consider that I'm in Denver and that the drives weigh about 25-30#. > >I am, incidentally, not a collector at all, just a guy who bought a lot of >stuff which he doesn't need any more at high prices and hasn't the heart >(sense) to junk it. I am, an electronics engineer and used to use some of this >stuff for one thing or another. > >I can attempt to make a list of what's just lying about. As I wrote before, >much of it is in the basement because I can't carry it up by myself, else it >would have been gone long ago. > > >---------- >> From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin2(a)wizards.net> >> To: edick(a)idcomm.com >> Subject: Re: Q-bus cards. >> Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 20:56 PM >> >> At 18:10 28-08-97 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >Thanks for the WD7000 drivers, etc. I have an item you might like to >> consider, >> >namely a Q-bus to ST1000 (Shugart 8") hard drive adapter. Actually, it's >two >> >cards. >> >> <snip> >> >> You're most welcome, and yes, I would most definitely be interested! (for >> the collection value if nothing else). Would you want any actual cash for >> it or would I just need to cover the shipping? >> >> > Now that's an oddity if ever there was one, and, in fact, I could even >> >send you a drive or two, (I think) though I'm not certain they haven't been >> >recycled, since there's a significant amount of scrap aluminum involved. I >> >have LOTS of late '70's through 80's computer equipment. Much of it too >> heavy >> >to toss, else it would already be gone. Let me know if there's something >> >specific you want. Perhaps I have it! >> >> Well, I have been keeping an eye out for a QBus-to-SCSI board, though that >> may be a little late-model for the collection it sounds like you have. >> >> Two questions: >> >> 1). Where are you located? >> >> 2). Since it sounds like you're a collector, would you be interested in >> subscribing to a listserver, out of the University of Washington, with a >> bunch of other collectors on there? If not, I can forward a list of >> whatever you'd like to get rid of to the list. >> >> Thanks again! >> >> >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) >> (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) >> http://www.wizards.net/technoid >> "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own >> human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..." > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Hard Disks

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, Last weekend I was lucky enough to find a pallet of Apple II stuff (2 complete systems, and lots of cool things), and amongst everything was a copy of a book called the "Apple II User's Guide" published back in '81 by Osbourne/McGraw-Hill. In this book under the chapter on Drives I found that it talks about three types of disks; Hard Disks, Winchester Disks, and Diskettes. It also has a picture for each, and it's the picture of the "Hard Disk System" that interests me. It appears to be a Rack Mounted enclosure for a Removable Disk pack. I can't see how many platters the pack has (the cover is white plastic), but I would guess between 2 and 4. It has four square push buttons (looks like the kind that light up), and two small lights. Basically it looks like a "Micro" version of the disk packs I used to use on Honeywell and UNISYS Mainframes. The photo was courtesy of "Cameo Electronics", and I can see their logo on part of the case. The text says the disks cost about $150 each and the drives between $3000-10000. All in all a very fascinating looking peice of hardware! I've never seen anything like them other than on mainframes, were these very common? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne, and Traveller Role Playing | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Hard Disks

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> <In this book under the chapter on Drives I found that it talks about three <types of disks; Hard Disks, Winchester Disks, and Diskettes. It also has Funny most hard disks are winchester in base technology even if they are removable!... The osborne folks tended to make strange distinctions. <The text says the disks cost about $150 each and the drives between <$3000-10000. All in all a very fascinating looking peice of hardware! <I've never seen anything like them other than on mainframes, were these <very common? A common one was the CDC hawk drives at 10mb per pack. As they were often more expensive than the cpu they were on they were not frequently seen on the likes of apples and s100 systems. They were more often seen on Novas, PDP-8s, PDP-11s and other minis. The larger multiplatter drives were even to costly for the smaller minis and were seen at those sites that had the larger PDP11s or even bigger machines. Back in 1980 a Hawk (10meg) was something close to twice the price of a complete NorthStar* Horizion with two floppies, 64k and terminal. Two years later non removable drive would be quite cheap compared to that but removeable platter drives would still command a premium. Now a Zip drive compares to common IDE hard disks. Allison

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Multiple Topics...

by bw＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

1. After getting slightly sidetracked on the way to Bruce's a couple weeks ago - I'm back ;). 2. Apple III experts - what's the difference between an A3M01 and an A3M02? I'm assuming 01 is the "drop-fix" motherboard and 02 is the fixed version. Does anyone have software for a MS Softcard III? 3. Do you need Apple II parts? I have too many. I have II+s and IIe's (working and not) lots of Monitor III's. Assorted manuals for Apple II and III. Tons of disk drives. If you're looking for something and I have it it's yours for the price of shipping. I have a number of badly broken system which will ultimately be scrapped but I'll be pulling pieces so... I'll eventually put together a list but I need to make some room now so just ask. I'll also be trekking down the coast 2nd week of September so if you live along I5 in OR/WA or 101 in CA I might be able to deliver. 4. Classic Computer HOWTO's. I've been sitting at home for a week inventing things to do and started writing a how to document detailing drive alignment for various disk drives (not even close to ready yet). Anyway, seems like a cool idea for those of you who know how to do things to detail them in a howto and help improve everyone's know-how. People keep asking, for example, how to convert TV to composite output. If you've got nothing better to do ;). Bill -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson Classic Computer List Operator bw(a)booster.bothell.washington.edu CCL Website: http://haliotis.u.washington.edu/classiccmp

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VAXstation works!

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Well, I got the VAX working last night. It has a melted power cable that I had to rebuild. It seems to boot Ultrix, what seems to be a Unix variant. Time to play... Also, can anyone point me to any FAQs about the VAXstations? Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com

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Bouroughs Documentation

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Anyone interested in any of the Bouroughs manuals given the lack of > precise data on what they are? I'll probably pick up most of it anyway but > if I know someone wants the stuff, I can be a little more liberal in what we > take. Yeah. I've had unhealthy relations with a B-800; if there's anything about the B-800 I'm interested. Other things to look for are COBOL language manuals, NDL language manuals, and manuals covering operating of MCP and CANDE. I'm interested in all/any of these. BTW, the B-80 is close enough to the B-800 to be interesting as far as I'm concerned... Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu PS: Burroughs had a really good COBOL compiler on the B-800, it just took _forever_ to compile anything...

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Laser Magnetic Storage Co.

by manney＠nwohio.com

Anyone ever heard of "Laser Magnetic Storage Co."? They made mass storage devices...I'm trying to find a driver. Thanks manney(a)nwohio.com "How can anyone govern a nation that has two hundred and forty different kinds of cheese?" -- Charles de Gaulle

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VAX II

by 107765.1161＠compuserve.com

Picked this up on a local Tulsa-area bulletin board; I don't know a thing about it, but didn't know if someone here might be interested: ______________________________________ >From : JON JUREK We hava micro Vax II that we are trying to sell or get rid of somehow and would like to know if anyone has a need. Please send e-mail to jonj(a)fly.aeromet.com. Sorry for this garbled message. my terminal emulation leaves a lot to be desired. Thanks a bunch.

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DEC Assistance

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Tim or Allison, I could really use your help. Tim, I think something in the mail system may be preventing my messages from reaching you. I have O-VMS 6.2 up and running. What I need is someone else with a MicroVAX to create an RX50 floppy, initialized with VMS, with VMSTPCE (unzipped and ready to roll, ideally) copied to it. I cannot seem to transfer it from my PC, via PUTR and VMS's EXCHANGE, to save my life. This evening, I will try installing TCP/IP services on the VAX and try to FTP the appropriate file from its resting spot on my server. However, I'm not sanguine about the results given my difficulties over the last few weeks. Sheesh... it should NOT be this hard to do a simple binary tape copy! If tonight's effort fails, and no one else can help, I'll just install Ultrix and try it that way. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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A McDonnell-Douglas Micro-6000?

by manney＠nwohio.com

> Anybody know what this baby runs??? I heard in passing that they used > to run PICK on it. I think PICK is some kind of manufacturing software > but what was/is the operating system? IIRC, PIC is its own operating system -- useful for database work. A village down near me still uses it for its town hall records, and -- last I hear -- was still supported.

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Kaypro II help needed

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I decided to drag out my kaypro II for testing/cataloging/photos and noticed it's even worse than before. previously, i was able to boot a cpm disk but got no keyboard activity. now, it powers on, spins the floppy a few rotations, then prompts to place a disk in drive a: and no more than that. hitting the reset button didnt do anything. it keeps coming back to the same screen. while typing this note, i noticed it finally booted off a floppy in about 5 minutes' wait and now i'm getting no keyboard input (not even ^M or ^G) and the floppy light is staying on but not spinning. i do get an a: prompt though. someone mentioned the keyboard controller chip missing, but it's there. this machine has two half height floppies which i assume incorrect. would full height pc/xt drives be "correct"? what should i check now? david

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setup for IDS PC-88 Turbo (fwd)

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

Anybody here able to help this guy out? i don't believe he is a subscriber so if you could e-mail him directly, that'd be preferred, thanks. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:35:26 -0400 From: wgh <wgh(a)wgh.org> To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU Subject: setup for IDS PC-88 Turbo Hello, I am in need of a setup program for an Intellegent Data Systems PC-88 computer running DOS 3.2. The copy I have simply locks up the computer after the main menu is displayed. Any help you could give would be appreciated. Timothy J. Hummer wcpgoa(a)penn.com

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UNISYS to give away

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Hello all, I just spotted this on the austin.forsale news group. I have no other connection with the guy or the computer. Hope someone can use this. (Hmm. I hope the UNISYS is > 10 years old ... if not, please excuse me.) - Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: coqui.ccf.swri.edu!news.sesqui.net!academ!cs.utexas.edu!news-relay.us.dell.com!j ump.net!news-fw!news.mpd!newsgate.tandem.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news -hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.spr intlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.eden.com!news.eden. com!yakuza.fc.net!pm1-1.tab.com From: Scratch <scratch(a)tab.com> Newsgroups: austin.forsale Subject: Free computer and Stuff Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 02:47:41 -0600 Organization: Freeside Communications Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3402982D.689C(a)tab.com> Reply-To: scratch(a)tab.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jade.tab.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: coqui.ccf.swri.edu austin.forsale:86491 I am giving away a GE dishwasher, A UNYSIS mainframe computer, printer, disk subsytem and a old metal school teachers desk (disassembled) and matching chair to anyone who can come get it out of my garage FREE. Please e-mail me. -- Ron E. Marks http://www.tab.com/~scratch/home.html Austin, Texas Those who know use MACINTOSH...those who don't, call "Tech Support"

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A McDonnell-Douglas Micro-6000?

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Anybody know what this baby runs??? I heard in passing that they used > to run PICK on it. I think PICK is some kind of manufacturing software > but what was/is the operating system? PICK is the operating system. PICK is a combination operating system/programming language/user environment. It was created by Dick Pick on a military computer (I think one of those militarized UNIVAC thingies) and ported to a variety of other machines. AFAIK all legitimate ports were done by Dick Pick himself, although the book I found talks about people cloning PICK without Dick's permission (since this is a book of the "PICK rah, rah, rah!" variety, this is said to be a Bad Thing). Personally, it looked to me like there were holes in the PICK system you could drive a truck through; security seems to be done mostly through obscurity. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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A McDonnell-Douglas Micro-6000?

by danjo＠xnet.com

Anybody know what this baby runs??? I heard in passing that they used to run PICK on it. I think PICK is some kind of manufacturing software but what was/is the operating system? BC

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Does anyone have an explanation of what the Unibus pins do?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I was curious. I have the pinout in the 11/44 book, but it doesn't say what any of the pins do. I have something I want to try, but to try it I'd need to know what the pins do.

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Lost my e-mail!

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Hello, all: If anyone has sent me any e-mail since yesterday 8/26 at 5pm, please resend it. Somehow, Exchange and Windows 95 trashed my e-mail store. Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com

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