Sorry for ranting, I feel like one. My mouth got shot off without enough thinking, was tired at that time; Oops I worded it wrongly...have a mercy on me! Anyway you're correct that I should thought of this. I wished this owner(s) took the initation and asked someone who knows the typical values these days. From time to time, I check the paper too and I was disgusted: Some wants 600cdn to 1000cdn for a 486 or (shudders!) 386 complete system. Early types of Pentiums are joining the old group real soon. (Referring to 60/66 and up to 100mhz versions) But with care, can lug along happily with lots of memory (read: cheaper method!) and upgrade the hd/video card. Too often, I see that in comp.sys.laptops many asking for 300 for a typical 386 laptop or notebook. That cost range now belongs to 486 33 to 100mhz notebooks. Used 1 or 2 yr old Pentium ones now fetches under 1000 now. And sellers gets clobbered and a tractful new price This reminds me to this relationship: Yesterday, I was asked to put win95 on her pc as part of her voc. education and I said slow down, I can not rush in and say yeah and do it. Got to see her 486-33/8mb (gasp! hd thrashing/crashing more possible, I've been there and done.) pc and stared, look, no cdrom. And I was told by her that her husband brought new system for her daughter at cool price of 8000 cdn and I wondered about that price because her daughter needs a pc for her law study at college, The typical use is WP use in that kind of area even a $500-1000 base pentium system would fit very well for that! Again with $8000, Easy to get 3 VERY decent P5 166/64mb/2.5GB/new complete systems with truck loads of legal software for each pc and a good laser printer or two to go with either two of them. Gave her few polite suggestions to upgrade her system with cdrom, more memory and possible whole pc rebuild with new parts because the cost is not that bad then gave her nice thanks and left. (cdrom drive is now a MUST item for every pc along with overdue outdated 1.44 drive. <G>) Reason behind this putting 95 on old pc is very impractial these days is: Win95 is very demanding OS than any 3.xx windows. And I really personally dislike win95 now because I now have a minor problem with my pc (hardware all dandy and working) forgot it's energy saving to blank the screen and power down the monitor despite the all the settings are correct in my display icon! Even changed the different vid card for another along with correct driver d/l'ed from website. That dumb registry thing is driving me crazy because it sometimes breaks and requires some work by installing a unneeded option then uninstall it or reinstall other things to get things fixed. Real easy to break it with novice users as well. I want none of that ideas that Mr. Gates and funny PnP, winmodems that came out. I do not understand this. This win95 (blows) leads to other options which I am looking at linux. Linux is very promising and I am learning to use it, trying to upgrade my old 2 4+ yr old 386 portables first also currently learning on my other pentium 75 o/c'ed to 100 lunchbox. Then install it on main pc when I feel more confident to put it to real use. :) Jason D.