- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I recently aquired a stack of c64's, these are the old brown type. Of (4), One works fine, 1 boots, and can run catridges, initializes the floppy on boot, but can never access it after boot, the other two have power but no video. Any ideas on these folks?

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Web page update...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Just did a couple minor updates to the web page, added scans of pics of the Educator 64 and SuperPET (with the case opened so you can see what makes em tick), some commodore calculators, and a scan of the cover of Popular Science from Oct. 1977 which I believe is of one of the prototype PETs (non-steel, rounded casing). Oh, added a link to the Vintage computer faire too. ;) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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A Few Items on eBay (Auctionweb)

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I'm back going through the pile after school ended and I managed to list a few more things on the auction. Apple IIc with Power Supply, External Floppy Bidding starts at: $5.00 Auction ends on: 09/09/97, 19:41:03 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160641 Macintosh 512K System (Photo) Bidding starts at: $10.00 Auction ends on: 09/12/97, 22:50:10 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206500 Apple III Computer System! (Photo) Bidding starts at: $5.00 Auction ends on: 09/13/97 17:17:43 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=215133 Apple Imagewriter II Printer Current bid: $5.00 Auction ends on: 09/13/97 17:21:08 PDT http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/ItemISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=215200 Still have more to list soon including Apple IIplus, IIc monitors, Commodore 1702 monitor, Commodore drives, Mac 128k, Mac 400k ext. floppy drives, Apple RGB color monitor, Apple II color monitor, etc. Thanks, Greg

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IMSAI IMP48

by allisonp＠world.std.com

HI, I have an IMSAI IMP48, it's a single board computer made around late 77-78 using an 8048/8035 micro controller chip. The board is operational but I lack DOCs. Any DOCs on this would be helpful as it has relay and opto isolated I/O for control use. It also does audio cassette IO as well. I've used it for simple tasks but more detailed info would allow me to copy it and use the copy for the task and preserve the board. Allison

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FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

There here the twin cities and no I have not seen a MAC portable there yet. As for the Model 100's 6 of them went for 80 cent each about four weeks ago and they had doc's, software and other items with them, I walked in 10 minutes too late. I'll keep my eyes open for you. At 04:07 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote: >>20 of them just got trashed, but if you want a couple I'll be stopping in >>the shop later this week and if they have a new batch in I will pick you up >>a couple. We can settle up after I get them. They also have alot of SE's, >>512's, and sometimes the 128's. There is also a thrift store here that >>sells all computers for 80 cents including taxes. Everyone has started going >>here and it's getting harder to catch any good machines there. If anyone >>reading this is looking for HP stuff let me know as I passed on a complete >>HP3000 for $10. > >Out of curiousity, where is this place? (That's the problem with a global >network, one man's "down the road" is another's "across the continent".) > >If you ever see a Mac portable (yes, the big one) or a TRS-80 Model 100 at >one of these places at a comparable price, then please grab one for me. > ><<<john>>> > > > >

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Win95 + irritable user WAS: Re: FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I may be able to get the drive mounts for you at the cost of shipping. I will check with Ken next week and see if the parts box was shipped off to be trashed yet. At 05:28 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote: >>If you need the Sun monitor let me know as a load of them mono and color >>were trashed a week ago. Several places here are dumoing them along with >>3/50's, 3/60's and 3/80's. >>I picked up a few for my collection but have no software are HD for any of >>them. I picked a Sun HD unit for 5.00 but got home to find the HD was gone >>from inside. Keep computing. > >I'd take you up on it, but I suspect that shipping an 19" Sun monitor from >MN to NJ would be hideously cost ineffective. I might be up for another 3/80 >CPU, though. What I really need to find is one or two of the drive mounts for >the 3/80. > >At work, they're waiting on the word from the government regarding some >older PCs and Suns which were GFE for a previous contract. The hope is that >they may just "abandon in place". If so, I may be able to find a monitor >or possibly even an early Sparc 1. > >Keeping my fingers crossed... <<<John>>> > > > >

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(no subject)

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Thanks for the info !! At 05:18 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote: >>Heatkit HTX-10 ni power supply was with it. anyone have info on this puppy? > >If that's the one I think it is, it was desgined as a cheap dial-up terminal. >Everhting is in the KB, except for powersupply and composite monitor. I think >it also had a built-in 300 (1200?) baud modem. > ><<<John>>> > > > >

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still trying to send

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Received: from 5x86jk (ts002d02.min-mn.concentric.net [206.173.175.38]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.7) id RAA29672; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970907205659.0067c798(a)pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: jrkeys(a)pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 15:56:59 -0500 To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu From: "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> Cc: Last finds(a)concentric.net Heatkit HTX-10 ni power supply was with it. anyone have info on this puppy? Pet 2001-8 series with manuals, have tested this one yet. HP 86 with ROM Drawer, 128k module, and 64k module. VIC music composer and Forth cartridges. Back to work now, keep computing

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Win95 + irritable user WAS: Re: FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

If you need the Sun monitor let me know as a load of them mono and color were trashed a week ago. Several places here are dumoing them along with 3/50's, 3/60's and 3/80's. I picked up a few for my collection but have no software are HD for any of them. I picked a Sun HD unit for 5.00 but got home to find the HD was gone >from inside. Keep computing. At 04:22 PM 9/7/97 -0300, you wrote: > >> Although I wonder if anyone out there is actually going to >>finish the Sun3x Linux port - it looks like the NetBSD Sun3x movement >>is dead in the water. > >Damn, I hope it's not dead. I just picked up a 3/80 (8mb, diskless) and a >type 4 keyboard/mouse. (No monitor, but I have an old Hitachi that I hope >may be >compatible.) > >Anyway, as soon as I straighten out and "Invalid IDPROM" message, I was >hoping to put up either SunOS or NetBSD. > >BTW, anyone have a suggestion as to which is better? > ><<<John>>> > > > >

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No subject

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Heatkit HTX-10 ni power supply was with it. anyone have info on this puppy? Pet 2001-8 series with manuals, have tested this one yet. HP 86 with ROM Drawer, 128k module, and 64k module. VIC music composer and Forth cartridges. Back to work now, keep computing

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Win95 + irritable user WAS: Re: FS: Mac Plus

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 06:36 PM 06/09/97 +0000, you wrote: >stared, look, no cdrom. And I was told by her that her husband >brought new system for her daughter at cool price of 8000 cdn and I >wondered about that price because her daughter needs a pc for her law >study at college, The typical use is WP use in that kind of area >even a $500-1000 base pentium system would fit very well for that! >Again with $8000, Easy to get 3 VERY decent P5 166/64mb/2.5GB/new >complete systems with truck loads of legal software for each >pc and a good laser printer or two to go with either two of them. Sounds like a candidate for the "Most Inappropriate use of Computer Hardware Award" to me. A WP, you could stick WP5.1 on an 8088 if it comes to that. Sounds like a member of the administration (who will remain nameless to protect the moronic) at the university I waste money in. Just after purchasing a spanking new Pentium 166 with 64mb and all the goodies, including an ATI All in Wonder card (on our nickel I might add!), he asked his secretary to scare up a new template for WP5.1, For this is all he used it for! (where's my wailin' stick when I need it :) >as well. I want none of that ideas that Mr. Gates and funny PnP, >winmodems that came out. I do not understand this. I stay away from anything that uses "win" as a prefix. What, no jumpers? Basically if Win95 can't get it to work on whatever IRQ or port that the device wants, your screwed. >This win95 (blows) leads to other options which I am looking at >linux. Linux is very promising and I am learning to use it, trying >to upgrade my old 2 4+ yr old 386 portables first also currently >learning on my other pentium 75 o/c'ed to 100 lunchbox. Then install >it on main pc when I feel more confident to put it to real use. :) Looking for a UNIX like OS for you 386? Why don't you get MINIX? A lot less overhead and pretty easy to set up. (not much out for it yet, put the list grows everyday) You could even get a version of Xwindows for it, and MINIX will run on an XT! (two versions, i86 and 386) Speaking of UNIX-like OS's, anybody remember Sundown drives which came loaded with Venix86? I believe a company called Unisource sold them. I wonder if there may be a 'virgin' drive somewhere just waiting to be used... ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

20 of them just got trashed, but if you want a couple I'll be stopping in the shop later this week and if they have a new batch in I will pick you up a couple. We can settle up after I get them. They also have alot of SE's, 512's, and sometimes the 128's. There is also a thrift store here that sells all computers for 80 cents including taxes. Everyone has started going here and it's getting harder to catch any good machines there. If anyone reading this is looking for HP stuff let me know as I passed on a complete HP3000 for $10. At 04:45 AM 9/7/97 -0200, you wrote: >At 05:53 PM 06/09/97 -0500, you wrote: >>I can get MAC Plus's for $5.35 including tax. I've have 3 or 4 already so I >>just walk by them now. > > $5.35 taxes in?!? Where? I live in a MAC deprived world. I would be very >interested in getting a few MAC plus's to add to my collection (i would be >interested in getting anything to add to my collection) Please let me know >where I could get some of these MACs > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > The Man From D.A.D >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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FS: Mac Plus

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

$300!? I know its not april fool's day. I must have got a deal of the century when I got a mac ][cx and 3.5 drive for $25... david In a message dated 97-09-06 14:26:50 EDT, you write: << A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80 MB HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate. manney(a)nwohio.com >>

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Northstar Advantage

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, My find of the day was a "Northstar Advantage" and as per my normal luck with CP/M systems no OS. Still it seems to power on OK. I've got a few questions on it. First and formost would be where can I get an OS (would the Osbourne version of CP/M boot it)? Is there a "Monitor ROM" that I can drop the machine into? I see from the list of computers on the mailing lists web site, it's got a Z80 and a i80186 processors in it, OK that's nice, what does that mean to me? Also are there any good info resources for the "Northstar Advantage"? The one I've got has a 1" x 6" strip of metal with two threaded posts near the top sticking out (great for messing up arms), it's been stuck to the side of the case with that thin sticky foam, is this stock, or an add on? Any ideas what on earth it's for? I'm thinking a copy stand. Pardon my probable stupidity when it comes to CP/M systems, I think I'm up to four of them now, but only the Osbourne has disks and it won't boot, I think it's got a bad A: drive, because the disks boot a friends Osbourne. Thanks, Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Vacation/Weekend Finds...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Hey everybody! Well just got back from a vacation in the (California) bay area... (Petaluma/Santa Rosa area to be more exact) and had a pretty dissapointing time in my rummaging for goodies at thrift shops... Of what I saw that took my notice were a Commodore 1902a monitor ($49, no thanks..) and an un-priced 800 XL keyboard unit. I balked at how much one place wanted to sell TRON figures ($15-$25 yikes!); I did get a certain Pac-Man lunch pail I had my eye on for a few years... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=---=-=-=---=-=-=-- Of course as it normally seems to go for me, my local stops prove more fruitfull. Some of the recent finds include a long sought-after October 1977 issue of Popular Science magazine (I remember seeing it on the newsstands) which displays what seems to be a prototype PET on the cover (w/rounded plastic case, only seen in promotional literature as far as I've seen, PS seems to have added wood-grain contact paper for an enhanced 'homey' look). Have scanned it and hope to put it on the site within the upcoming month or so. Also picked up the March '79 and May '83 issues as they had some cool pics of other early computers and home robots in them. Another very unexpected magazine find was four issues of ANTIC magazine (thier focus is Atari 8-bits), a couple notable articles were on building a lie-dectector and rigging your dot-matrix printer into an image scanner, both utilize the paddle port pins and other easy to get components and also sould be adaptable to the Commodore 64/VIC-20/128. :) Also bought a Fast Load Cartridge and C-64 Dust Cover (with a Protecto logo, remember them?) for a couple bucks. Stuff passed by were a few 64 units (overpriced if you ask me), a couple Plus/4s (one unbeleivably overpriced), and a PET (3.0 ROMs, 32k, w/book) that one was very tempting, but I know how little space I have after my last trip to the storage unit... Also passed a low-profile datasette (I have 30+ datasettes already but can you ever have enough cassette program recorders?) Saw a pretty complete ADAM system too: cpu (one tape drive), printer, controllers, carts, tapes, books (including a misplaced PET book), a couple extra ribbons all for $130 (choke!) though on Staturdays and Wednesdays they sell stuff for 1/2 price (still way too much to me....) Mac 512 (with doumentation), Mac SE, Tandy Model 100, etc.. I could go very broke quick If I started collecting everything, good thing I have control (ok... limited control, which is better then none at all.) One of these vacations I'll get corrdinated enough with one of my friends and spend a couple days in the Palo Alto/Silicon Valley area combing thrift shops, I think I might find some suprises there... Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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FS: Mac Plus

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 05:53 PM 06/09/97 -0500, you wrote: >I can get MAC Plus's for $5.35 including tax. I've have 3 or 4 already so I >just walk by them now. $5.35 taxes in?!? Where? I live in a MAC deprived world. I would be very interested in getting a few MAC plus's to add to my collection (i would be interested in getting anything to add to my collection) Please let me know where I could get some of these MACs ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Lost Message

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Tried sending a message four times with no luck ?? Looking for info on HTX-10 from Heathkit ??

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MicroVAX Help

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

On Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) wrote: <Well, I got the RD52 external HD on my MicroVAX-I working tonight. I swapp <the blown power supply with a new surplus one. Had to redrill the case, but >>A microvax-1? Really? Are you sure of that? Isn't a VAXstation-I considered a MicroVAX-I? One of the FAQs that I read made this reference, and it's a lot faster to type "uVAX" then "VAXstation" <g> >>Most of them couldn't support enough memory to run netbsd or ultrix. >>Generally in their day it was 2mb, sometimes 3mb. The reason was the >>CPU was two boards and memory at the time was either 512k or 1mb per >>board and there was only 8 slots in a ba23. so the typical line up was cpu, >>4 memory cards, an rqdx2 disk and a DHV or DZV serial card. the problem >>was that would put the power supply 20% over the top! This makes some sense. One of the first things that I had to fix was a melted power supply cable between the power supply (375w) and the backplane. Here is what I can see as the configuration: 4mb RAM, one DHV serial card, DEQNA Ethernet, a M9047 board (??), M7512 buss extender, an RQDX1, MSV11-Q memory, and 2 processor boards. I know that the MSV11 is only a 1mb board, but the bootloader reports about 3.5mb of RAM. The model tag on the back lists "610QK-XZ changed to VS20C-R2". It also has 2 internal floppy drives and one internal RD52 hard drive. <1. Since I don't know what is on the drive in the first place, how < do I avoid a permanent destruction of the file system yet still < correcting the problem? >>Well you have to know whats on the drive first. I've never seen a MV-1 >>running ultrix though it may be possible. < <2. If <1> is not possible, how do I go about fixing the problem. I < could not find a program named "fdisk", so either it had been < deleted from the root partition, or it's under another name. >>If it's ultrix then most unix conventions apply. >>If you booted in single user mode you do not have full access to the >>system. Would I accomplish this by logging-in to the system? Unfortunately, I don't have the root password. How can I get around this? <3. The only way that I could get the drive to respond is to put < the cable in the middle connector (J2). The drive did not < respond at all in J1 or J3. There must be jumpers somewhere < that govern this, like on the buss extender card, but I have < no jumper map. >>???? is this a ba23 or ba123? In a ba23 the rd52 disk is connected via >>two cables to bulkhead J7 and J2. if its a ba123 with M9058 distribution >>board then it's rd0(bottom most connector pair). The "J2" refers to the J2 on the external RD52 drive case. The buss extender is brought out to a DB50 to position "F" on the bulkhead. On the RD52 case, there are three DB50 connectors, J1 to J3. The drive only responds when using J2. Is this OK? How is this changed? <4. {unrelated} Every time I restart the uVAX, it complains about < the time needing to be reset. Do the uVAXen have internal < clock batteries that have to be recharged/replaced? << TIA for any help! >>Yes on the back of the console connector there is a battery pack of three >>aaa sized nicads. pull them and charge them by hand. if they don't charge >>you can find similar packs in many dec systems (rainbow, any ba23 or >>ba123 or vs2000 box). Also you can use any three cell pack for cordless >>phones that fit. Are you referring to the console connector on the bulkhead? On this unit, there is no battery pack. It only has two ribbon cables going to the processor boards. With this additional info, what do you recommend to do now? Thanks again for the help! Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com Rich

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CP/M, etc., 8" diskette value?

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Does anyone where there more knowledgeable than I happen to know what today's "going rate" is for old 8" diskettes. BLANK, and unlabeled... otherwise in mint-condition with jackets. I am looking at buying some and am curious as to how much they are usually sold for these days. Thanks in advance, CORD //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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FS: Mac Plus

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I can get MAC Plus's for $5.35 including tax. I've have 3 or 4 already so I just walk by them now. At 03:04 PM 9/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80 MB >HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He >wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate. > >manney(a)nwohio.com > > >

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MicroVAX help

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Hello, all: Well, I got the RD52 external HD on my MicroVAX-I working tonight. I swapped the blown power supply with a new surplus one. Had to redrill the case, but oh well. I also figured out that the VAX external drive cable is the same as a DB50 SCSI cable. So, the VAX now recognizes that there is an external drive device at /dev/rra1h but it complains that it has a bad superblock and a wrong magic number. It also once complained of a hard error "sn16". Sounds to me that it needs to be reformatted, or whatever the Ultrix equivalent of "fdisk /mbr" is to rebuild the boot block. Here are a few questions: 1. Since I don't know what is on the drive in the first place, how do I avoid a permanent destruction of the file system yet still correcting the problem? 2. If <1> is not possible, how do I go about fixing the problem. I could not find a program named "fdisk", so either it had been deleted from the root partition, or it's under another name. 3. The only way that I could get the drive to respond is to put the cable in the middle connector (J2). The drive did not respond at all in J1 or J3. There must be jumpers somewhere that govern this, like on the buss extender card, but I have no jumper map. 4. {unrelated} Every time I restart the uVAX, it complains about the time needing to be reset. Do the uVAXen have internal clock batteries that have to be recharged/replaced? TIA for any help! +============================================+ | Rich Cini/WUGNET | | <rcini(a)msn.com> | | MCP Windows 95 and Windows Networking, | | Charter ClubWin! Member (6) and a | | collector of classic computers | +============================================+

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MicroVAX help

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Despite their possible historical significance, I've never been able <> to justify keeping a Microvax I around. The 11/730 - which for most < <I suppose it'd be a relatively UN-power-sucking way to enjoy or learn <VAX assembly language. Microvax-I uses more power than a microvax-II. The lowest power VAXen of the lot may be the vs2000 or the 3100m38s as they are in the PC power use range and performance is good(maybe the best!) on a per watt basis. The microvax-I was historically significant as the first q-bus vax and smallest of the lot with the shortest production lifetime. Performance wise it was the bottom of the barrel. Most uVAX-Is were upgraded to uVAX-IIs (about 3x faster!) shortly after introduction. The uVAX-II offered 1meg of ram on card, FPU and a faster memory interface(PMI) along with denser 1mb, 2mb, and 4mb (and later 8/16mb) cards. This made a 5mb microvax-II possible in two cards instead of 7 using uVAX-I! Typical uVAX-IIs were 5 or 9mb with DEQNA, DHV11 and varying disk systems including the RA60, RA80 and RA81. This forced the phaseout of the 730 in favor of a smaller, lower cost, slightly better performing system with lower power needs. Allison

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FS: Mac Plus

by manney＠nwohio.com

A friend (yes, Virginia, I do have a friend) has a Mac plus for sale. 80 MB HDD (I think)...software includes Claris Works and some other stuff. He wants $300 US, but will probably be willing to negotiate. manney(a)nwohio.com

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MicroVAX help

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Well, I got the RD52 external HD on my MicroVAX-I working tonight. I swapp <the blown power supply with a new surplus one. Had to redrill the case, but A microvax-1? Really? Are you sure of that? Most of them couldn't support enough memory to run netbsd or ultrix. Generally in their day it was 2mb, sometimes 3mb. The reason was the CPU was two boards and memory at the time was either 512k or 1mb per board and there was only 8 slots in a ba23. so the typical line up was cpu, 4 memory cards, an rqdx2 disk and a DHV or DZV serial card. the problem was that would put the power supply 20% over the top! <1. Since I don't know what is on the drive in the first place, how < do I avoid a permanent destruction of the file system yet still < correcting the problem? Well you have to know whats on the drive first. I've never seen a MV-1 running ultrix though it may be possible. < <2. If <1> is not possible, how do I go about fixing the problem. I < could not find a program named "fdisk", so either it had been < deleted from the root partition, or it's under another name. If it's ultrix then most unix conventions apply. If you booted in single user mode you do not have full access to the system. <3. The only way that I could get the drive to respond is to put < the cable in the middle connector (J2). The drive did not < respond at all in J1 or J3. There must be jumpers somewhere < that govern this, like on the buss extender card, but I have < no jumper map. ???? is this a ba23 or ba123? In a ba23 the rd52 disk is connected via two cables to bulkhead J7 and J2. if its a ba123 with M9058 distribution board then it's rd0(bottom most connector pair). A third possibility is a two box ba23 system using a RQDXE, though drive 0 is nominally in the main box and the rqdxe is only needed for 3 or more drives (including the floppy). <4. {unrelated} Every time I restart the uVAX, it complains about < the time needing to be reset. Do the uVAXen have internal < clock batteries that have to be recharged/replaced? << TIA for any help! Yes on the back of the console connector there is a battery pack of three aaa sized nicads. pull them and charge them by hand. if they don't charge you can find similar packs in many dec systems (rainbow, any ba23 or ba123 or vs2000 box). Also you can use any three cell pack for cordless phones that fit. Allison

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Vintage Computer Festival

by dastar＠crl.com

Announcing the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival! ------------------------------------------------------ Mark your calendars! The first ever public celebration of vintage computers will take place at the Alameda County Fairgrounds in Pleasanton, California this October 25th and 26th. The Vintage Computer Festival (VCF) is the first event of its kind anywhere in the world. This two day festival will feature presentations and workshops by notable computer industry figures and vintage computer hobbyists. There will also be an on-site, hands-on vintage computer exhibition. Experiment with the classic computers of yesteryear! Each year a computer from the past is placed in the Vintage Computer Spotlight. This year we focus on the Apple ][. To celebrate the 20th anniversary of this classic, we will be giving away an original Apple ][ personal computer! Each person who attends the VCF is automatically entered into the drawing! Both seasoned and new computer collectors will enjoy workshops and panels to share ideas and learn about finding, acquiring, restoring, and enjoying vintage computers. The VCF also features the Vintage Computer Flea Market. Find those old computers, peripherals, manuals, and programs you've been looking for! The flea market is the ideal way for new comers to the field to start their own collection or for seasoned collectors to add to their existing stash. Celebrate the good old days of computing! Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival!!! When: October 25-26th, 9:00AM - 5:00PM daily Where: Alameda County Fairgrounds, Pleasanton, California Admission: Pre-registered ($SAVE$) Individual: $15 Family: $24 (two adults and four children) Benefits of pre-registration include: o Access to speakers, workshops, flea market and exhibition o Pre-paid parking To pre-register, send a check or money order to: Vintage Computer Festival 4275-29 Rosewood Drive #161 Pleasanton, California 94588 Please make checks payable to "Vintage Computer Festival" At-the-door o Speakers, Workshops, Flea Market and Exhibition Individual: $10.00 Family: $16.00 o Flea Market and Exhibition only Individual: $5.00 Family: $10.00 Please note: "At-the-door" rate is for a one day pass only and does not include parking. For more information including the latest list of speakers and workshops please check out: http://www.siconic.com/vcf or send e-mail to: mailto:vcf@siconic.com SEE YOU AT THE VINTAGE COMPUTER FESTIVAL!!! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Finds This Week

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Had a pretty good week picked up the following: 1. Pet 2001-8 with manuals (5.00) 2. Heath HTX-10 about the size of a C64, anyone have info on this one. Also need the 9pin power supply for this unit (5.00) 3. TRS-80 pocket printer parts 4. Apple Color Plus non working (5.00) 5. HP86 with 82936A Rom Drawer cartridge, 82909A 128k Memory module, 82908A 64k Memory module (4.00) 6. VIC Music Composer (.80) 7. VIC Forth (.80) 8. A 1' X 2' box full of new and used parts (still have to get into it) Well that's my finds for the week, have a big computer auction to attend on Saturday.

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inadvertant dumpster dive sorta

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Stopped at a new used-computer store and... After talking and business cards he offeres me a tandy 1000(25-1051) with docs, cables everything but a monitor and disks. Get it home open it up and it's got: 20meg HDcard Diamond trackstar (128k apple board uses appleDOS3.3) 1200baud modem Docs and the tech manual for the t-1000. not bad, eh! I need to fire it up and see what's on the harddrive (hope its the trackstart files). Allison

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Burroughs Computers

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Paul Pierce <prp(a)hf.intel.com> wrote: > The A-series computers are stack machines. Its a very interesting > architecture. At the time of the B5000 series it was considered ahead of > its time, but now that architecture is essentially dead. The most recent > new stack machine I know of is the original HP 3000 minicomputer from > the late 70's early 80's. The "classic" HP 3000 is identified by its series. Numbers <= 70, no designation at all, and the letters "CX" alone mean it's the classic stack machine. Numbers >= 900 mean it's a PA-RISC 3000. The first HP 3000s were shipped in November 1972, and were pretty much a disaster -- HP ended up recalling them. But they kept plugging at it and turned it into what I think is one of the finest transaction-processing systems available. I'm not sure when the last classics were introduced, but I think HP continued to sell some of the low-end ones (Micro 3000 GX/LX/RX) into the early 1990s, certainly into the late 1980s. The last of them go out of support life over the next year or so, though. HP 9000 series 500 (520, 540, 550, was there a 530?) are 32-bit stack machines inside, with the potential for multiple CPUs and IOPs on the larger systems. I think HP now has something called a T500 that is PA-RISC based; the old series 500s are pretty much forgotten (but not all gone, I have a 520 in storage that I need to reanimate). HP sold these from the early-to-mid 1980s before they were superseded by fast Motorola 680[23]0s and PA-RISC systems (series 300/400 and 800/700). -Frank McConnell "I want my MPE" (w/apologies to Dire Straits) <fmc(a)reanimators.org>

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DEC Scrounging & SWTPC 6800 Update

by wirehead＠retrocomputing.com

Uhhhh...was it my deodorant? =-) Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Faiaz, Michael C. HSD wrote: > unsubscribe > > ---------- > From: Anthony Clifton > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: DEC Scrounging & SWTPC 6800 Update > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 5:21PM > > > > (BTW, I'm going to leave this thread public because I think it might > be of interest to collectors new to the PDP series and who might run > across machines like this.) > > > > An 11/84 CPU alone apparently pulls 1100 watts > > > > A *fully-loaded* 10.5" 11/84 box will pull 1100 watts. A very much > > reduced configuration - just a CPU, memory, and (non KDA50) disk > controller > > - will only draw 100 watts or so. > > > Well the backplane looked about half full roughly. So this is sounding > a bit more hopeful. I have $10 a month to spend on this machine for > electricity at about 8 cents per kilowatt hour so.... > > > I believe the spec for the RA-80 spinup surge current is 40 Amps. While > > running, it's probably about 7 amps. > > > I didn't have ALOT of time to look the machine over but I did look in > the > back of the cabinet containing the TU80 and the RA80 and saw a sticker > that said "30 amps" which I ASSUMED referred to the RA80. I only ever > owned RL and RK series drives when I was collecting PDPs in the early > 90s...what are the size etc specs on the RA80? A friend of mine and I > built an 11/34 system with 2 or 3 RK series drives and an older model > DEC 9 track drive. So I'm not completely ignorant but I'm still getting > used to the CURRENT state of the art in throwaway PDPs. > > > A TU80 doesn't take much; about 50 watts with power off, and less than > > 200 watts with the blower and reels running. > > > Aha! This IS sounding alot more hopeful. Basically, if I could come up > with a controller to drive modern SCSI drives or something a bit less > power hungry, I could probably afford to run this guy at least all > weekend > every weekend or something like that. Hmmm...I wonder if there's any > market for converting 9 track media to more modern forms? It'd only > take $60.00 a month, with modern drives, to run the beastie 24 hours... > perhaps less. =-) > > > (presumably) is in the 11/84 will also talk to RA7n's and RA9n's. With > > a Emulex/CMD/Dilog ESDI or SCSI controller in the box, you can even hook > > up perfectly modern 3.5" hard drives. > > > Hmmmm...what's strange is that they claim they upgraded the drive around > two years ago. Upgrading TO an RA80 seems a bit strange in 1995. But > the > front of the drive said RA80 so.... > > > > Now for my request, if anyone has schematics or technical drawings of > this > > > > What do you specifically need? A print set for a complete configuration > > is several hundred 11x17" sheets... > > Sheesh. I guess that's true...the print set for my old 34 was several > 'books' of many pages a piece if I recall correctly. Ummm...if anyone > has the print set for an 11/84 they'd like to go to a good home then > let me know. =-) (If not, I'll probably run across one one of these > days.) > > The machine DOES work apparently and the guy who operated it showed it > to > me today. He claims that it worked fine when they shut it down 2 years > ago (yeah yeah I know) and it's just been sitting in the corner since > then. He claims that if I plugged it in, which I didn't have an > opportunity to do, it would come right up into RSX. We'll see after > next week. One other obstacle is that it all has the funky twisty > safety > plugs on the AC cords but it's configured for 125 v etc so I'll replace > the plugs, like I did on my 34, with high quality normal ones. > > Anthony Clifton - WireHead Prime >

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Burroughs Computers

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Burroughs machines are rare, especially one this old. Burroughs had a > policy of taking back their old machines in trade, which they would then > destroy to avoid having used machines in competition with their new > ones. Rumor around here is that when it came time to get rid of the old Burroughs, Burroughs sold a new machine to the university that bid on our old machine for less than what they had bid on the old machine. Everyone here assumed it was because Burroughs was pissed that we had gone with big VAXen; but perhaps that was just the way Burroughs worked. > The A-series computers are stack machines. Its a very interesting > architecture. At the time of the B5000 series it was considered ahead of > its time, but now that architecture is essentially dead. The most recent > new stack machine I know of is the original HP 3000 minicomputer from > the late 70's early 80's. It is inherently difficult to get a stack > machine to run very fast, like today's superscalar microprocessors. But > a stack architecture results in small code. The virtual machine for Java > byte code is a stack architecture. http://www.ptsc.com/ describes ShBoom, a stack machine designed by Chuck Moore (aka the inventor of Forth). The theory behind ShBoom, and his more recent stack machine, is that if you use a wide word (in this case 32 bits) you can fetch a whole bunch of tiny instructions at once then blaze through them. In the case of ShBoom, the core runs at 100Mhz while the external bus runs slower. Since each opcode is a byte, he can fetch four opcodes at once with the slower bus rate yet keep the fast internal core fed. Chuck Moore also has some newer designs. F21 and P21, for instance. These are 21-bit machines with (IIRC) a 20-bit external bus. Each opcode is five bits, so (again) he's fetching four instructions with each external bus transaction. There was a big argument on comp.arch recently about just how hard it is to go superscalar on a stack machine. IIRC, a Unisys A series engineer was heavily involved in that discussion. Perhaps interested folks can dredge it up using http://www.dejanews.com/. I don't recall whether there was a conclusion to the argument (is there ever a conclusion on usenet?); a lot of the discussion was over my head. Roger ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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PDP11

by Chwolka＠t-online.de

Hi.. I 've a PDP-11 (19" rack) at home and it will not boot. It seems as if the bus is blocked by the power.. -- Greetings from Fritz Chwolka / collecting old computers just for fun supporting the Unofficial CP/M Web Page look at http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/ *-------------------------------------------------------* ! Internet: Chwolka(a)nt-gmbh.de ! ! Chwolka(a)t-online.de ! *=======================================================* ! ! ! If you have an old CP/M System don't throw it away. ! ! Try to find someone who give the system a new home. ! ! ! *-------------------------------------------------------*

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WANTED: QBus Modules

by See-My-Sig-For-My-＠ddress.com

NOTE: Address munged to discourage spambots. Check my signature line for the real thing. <Cross-sent to the classic computer mailing list> I have need of the following QBus modules: 1 ea. M7552 (Qbus RRD50 controller) 2 ea. M7546 (Qbus TK50 controller) Anyone who has such that they're willing to get rid of, please drop me an E-mail. Commercial vendors, please note that I am a hobbyist and that I lack the deep pockets (financially speaking) of companies that still run MicroVAXen and MicroPDP. Please keep that in mind when making price offerings. Thanks to all in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL SUBJECT TO $500.00 PROOFREADING FEE PER ITEM SENT. SENDING ME SUCH UNSOLICITED ITEMS CONSTITUTES UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://www.wizards.net/technoid -- kyrrin2-At-Wizards-Dot-Net "...Spam is bad. Spam wastes resources. Spam is theft of service. Don't spam, period..."

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[Long] HHC Eprom Update!

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> they are all inserted into a special carrier-like thingamabob that made it > easy to insert/remove the ROM packages and has a .1 or .01 microFarad > capacitor soldered betwen Vcc and ground on each chip... I guess that's why > they're heavier than normal. Would this happen to be the _same_ carrier that the Epson folks used for ROMs in the PX-8? If so, you might be able to sell some to PX-8 folks that want to make their own ROMs. Roger "I just pushed a standard DIP in carefully and it fit" Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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HHC Eprom Update!

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Huw Davies said: >I'll admit to having it at home. I assume you're talking about the January >1981 issue? I'll write a note to myself and bring it in tomorrow (yes, >Saturday) and scan it in... Kool. I meandered over to Motorola's website last nite, and tho they did not have the datasheets for these chips on the Web, they were available thru their faxback system... so I have the datasheets IMTLF (in my tight little fists) right now. I'm leaving it up to you what I scan in... I'm definately scanning in the pinout w/information, but do y'all want me to: 1) scan in the programming timing information? 2) scan in the fast programming algorithm? 3) scan in anything else? Oh, and tho the chips have a "C" on them (as in MCM68764C) the datasheets say they're N-channel MOS. Unmarked speed chips are 450ns access, but there are some 350ns parts available as well. Anyway, expect to see some info on this arrive over the weekend on my website... as it looks like I may actually have 4 or 5 seconds this weekend to work on it! http://home.northernway.net/~zmerch/geezers.shtml for my geezer computer page. (it's small, it's lame, but it's mine! ;-) Toodles, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

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hhc eproms (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Allison J Parent wrote: > < I didn't hear from you before so can you let me know if there is going > <be any need for HHC eproms? I am sitting on approx. 5000 of them which I ha > <received a salvage offer of $1.25/lb for and I'm probably going to take,but > > At that price I'll consider a few pounds+ shipping. Di I contact him > direct? Is he willing for say do a two pound package for say $5 +shipping? > to multiple respondents or would he like to see 10 pound blocks? I'd be > willing to do say 10# if I had others willing to pay say 10-15% over my cost > for packing materials for smaller distributions. This intent is that I'd > want to recoup my cost. I should've posted his e-mail address for replies. Sorry. He's at Mikeooo1(a)aol.com. Talk to him directly about working out a bulk deal. I'm sure he'd be happy to work something out. I have no involvment in the deal. Thanks! Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Burroughs B6800

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Adam, The B6800 is a huge mainframe in mutiple large cabinets and requiring air conditioning, false floor, etc. Having said that, it is certainly an interesting machine but not appropriate for a home collection, now if you had a warehouse..... Regards Hans B Pufal

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Ton of stuff list

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Ok gang, a pile of stuff (somewhat recent, looks like a parts pile, but...) near Ventura, California that is dumpster bound unless someone makes a grab... Contact the person directly at the address below. -jim >From: "Richard J. Bodan" <RJB-CONSULTING(a)worldnet.att.net> >Reply-To: RJB-CONSULTING(a)worldnet.att.net >Subject: Re: Ton of stuff list > >Here is a brief list that just touches the tip of the iceberg. > >10 to 15 XT chassis and Mborads >10 to 15 mono, CGA, EGA, VGA minitors >various printers and excesseories >none of this works!! >Just looking for somebody to get it the hell out of here. >Who do you think you know that might want it?? > >RJ Bodan > > --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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TRS-80, etc.

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I too have a few TRS-80 machines, books on TRS-80, manuals, and software. I will try and send you a list of extras. I may be able to get that Atari 800 for you. At 10:03 AM 9/4/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Howdy folks: > >I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very >complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your >name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists >of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it >even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the >shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'. > >I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in >games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use >with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share >this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold >game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I >also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well >as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many >other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie, >Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20, >Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex >systems. > >All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses >(postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as >I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my >shelves. > >I am also looking for the following items in particular: > >1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading >for those item. > >2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US >Journal magazines, etc. > >3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80 > >4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053. > >Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these >hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're >looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know. >I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate >any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most >gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game >machine collection. > >Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for >all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators! > >Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer: >via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look >forward to hearing from you. > >Best Wishes, > >CORD COSLOR > >//*=====================================================================++ >|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || >|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || >|| Classic computer software and hardware collector || >|| Autograph collector || >++=====================================================================*// > > > > >

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DEC Assistance

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

At 07:58 28-08-97 -0800, you wrote: >> Tim or Allison, I could really use your help. Tim, I think something in >> the mail system may be preventing my messages from reaching you. > >That might be. I see your messages here on classiccmp, at least... <whew!> That, at least, is something... for a while, I thought I had pestered you to death or some silly thing... ;-) >OK, one last attempt with VMS EXCHANGE: <snip> Thank you! It all worked, and I now have the necessary files unZIPped onto the MicroVAX. Now the next hurdle; Ever since I installed OpenVMS 6.2, my second TK50 has disappeared. The device scan, at initial boot, won't even detect it. Hardware setup is: KA630 CPU, v. 1.3 firmware 16 MB memory M3104 8-port serial MUX DELQA Ethernet card (M7516YA) RQDX3 (M7555), two RD54's and an RX50 Two TK50 drives/controllers (M7546) RRD40 CD-ROM controller (M7552) The Really Odd Thing is that it worked before, under MicroVMS 4.6, but now it won't even work with that. I suspect, though I've not confirmed it yet, that it may have to do with: 1). The fact that I've added a CD-ROM controller (appears as DUB0:)... 2). The order that I've got boards plugged into the backplane (BA123 box). Tonight, I will try transposing the positions of the two TK50 controllers I have. I will also try jumpering the suspect controller as the primary and removing the RRD40's board. Any suggestions would be welcome. As mentioned, I find it interesting that two TK50's worked under MicroVMS 4.6, then suddenly stopped working under 6.2. Do I need to use SYSGEN, perhaps, after the fact? If so, what string do I feed it? (low on docs again!) For comparison/test purposes, I'm going to CC this to the CLASSICCMP mailing list as well as your return address. Whichever one you see first will tell me if there really is a problem with the mail system. CLASSICCMP users, my apologies. Please bear with me until I can figure out what's been going weird with mail to Tim's site. Thanks in advance! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Apple II series disk drive question

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

What is the difference between an AppleDisk 5.25 and an Apple DuoDisk 5.25? Which work on the IIe and which on the IIgs? Does a IIgs 3.5" drive work on the IIe? thanks Kai

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S-100 stuff (fwd)

by dastar＠crl.com

PLEASE SEND ALL REPLIES TO edick(a)idcomm.com DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE! Here's a message from the guy in Colorado who has a bunch of old S-100 systems and documentation among other things that he's giving away. He says he has a truckload of media, a bunch of 8" drives and other stuff. Someone else on the list turned me onto him (forgot who). Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:26:22 -0600 From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> Subject: Re: S-100 stuff DO you have any interest in documentation for the old CP/m-based software, perhaps along with software? I've been throwing stuff away, in order to make room for another bedroom in the basement. Lots of stuff is sitting in the covered portion of my carport. Some of this is original documentation and some is copied. There's also a fair amount of documentation on printers, terminals, and other peripherals. Not all of it is in totally messed up condition, but some is pretty poor. Nonetheless, It works! If you know of anyone who wants this type of stuff, pass on the word! It's all free for the taking, since it's on the final sort headed for the dumpster. All I want is to avoid having to PAY to have it taken, so I do need payment for the freight.

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IBM 5100!

by thedm＠sunflower.com

If I recall correctly they just go straight into basic. ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: IBM 5100! > Date: Thursday, September 04, 1997 2:02 PM > > I met a friend of mine whom I hadn't seen in several years last night. We > got to talking and I found out she had thrown out an IBM 5110 system a while > ago <sigh>. BUT she still had the 5100 and I picked it up this morning. It > consists of the 5100, a tape unit, printer, and monitor. They will be > looking around for any documentation as it used to be kept with the > machine. In the mean time, does anyone know anything about how to start up > this thing? I doubt I'll have problems with plugging everything together, > but after I throw the power on switch, what happens then? Thanks.

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mac plus

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>I just picked up a MAC PLUS and on the inside of the case it is silver >with lots of signatures moulded on it , I know my AMIGA 1000 has this >but the other Mac i have is just plain , Is this common ???? The Mac 128, Mac 512 and Mac Plus all had the signatures. Later versions, like the classics, did not. To my knowledge, the only other signed apple was the "Limited Edition" Woz Apple IIgs, and that was signed on the outside. I am not sure about the 512k, but I assume it was signed - I keep meaning to open up mine but never seem to get around to it. Adam.

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Burroughs Computers

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> I have a lead on a computer, a Burroughs 6800, that is apparantly being > kept in a store-room and not being used. It seems I should be able to get > it if I asked. My question is - do I want it? Mostly I have limited > myself to micros, as they are small and fit my own interests, but I have > always been willing to accept larger systems. But as a result I know > nothing about Burroughs - is this thing huge, or what? It is huge. It is a mainframe size system. The one we used to have here filled a large room. > Is it rare, common, > powerful or just dull? The main thing about the line which includes the 6800 is that they are stack machines, which is unusual. I don't know about the popularity of the 6800 model, but Unisys still sells machines in that line (and they are still stack machines, and can still execute 6800 code). Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Laser 50 kids computer?

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

I am wondering if anyone else might have one of these Laser 50 computers available? Some more information on this computer. It was manufactured by V-Tech (Video technology Ltd.) in the mid 1980s. It was a small, white, lap-top size computer. It had a single line LCD display and was marketed as a childrens education or beginner's computer, and contained BASIC only. You could expand this 1.5k system by buying cassette recorder, two different printers, and a memory expansion cartridge. OH, yes... you could save up to 9 different programs internally on the computer. Now I also remember it ran on batteries though you could hook up a DC converter to plug into the wall. Had a full-feature BASIC programming language built in, including sound commands... although it didn't have any graphics capabilities (that I know of) it was a fun little computer. Anyway, what I am asking is if anyone out there has one of these or knows where I might be able to find one.... PLEASE let me know. I used to have one (lost it YEARS ago) and I would like my children to be able to use it a bit... plus it's kind of a piece of my computing history that I would like to bring back to my collection! Thanks a lot, and I hope someone has an inkling obout this machine. P.S. This isn't an Apple or IBM close. Best Wishes, CORD COSLOR P.S. I would be willing to pay virtually whatever you want for it (reasonable), and may consider trading my V-Tech Pre Computer 1000 for it. This pre 1000 computer contains BASIC, and many games and trivia sections as well. //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

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Remex paper tape readers

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Well, my inspiration to advertise with machine tool vendors to find a paper tape reader has paid off. A vendor has several Remex high-speed paper tape readers for sale. I know these were frequently used with PDP's, does anyone know what type of interface they have? RS-232, current loop...? thanks Kai

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mac plus

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 09:43 PM 03/09/97 GMT, you wrote: >I just picked up a MAC PLUS and on the inside of the case it is silver >with lots of signatures moulded on it , I know my AMIGA 1000 has this >but the other Mac i have is just plain , Is this common ???? > >Cheers Chris Denham > I don't know if you could call it common, however I do know that the Mac 512 had it, as well as the Mac Classic (i don't think the original Mac or the later Mac 128 had a signed case, but I could be wrong). A funny story I heard about these sigs is that on at least one (if not all), Jobs sig is large and right in the middle while Woz's is down in the corner. However a seam or vent ran through Jobs and all but made it unreadable :) I always assumed that the Mac Plus was unsigned, but I guess your machine has proved me wrong (I should dig out that long torx screwdriver and get inside of mine again) Is there a list somewhere naming all of the signed Macs? And how many other computers had signed cases? I think its great that these early machines were produced with signed cases, it shows a pride in the workmanship, as well as the simplicity of design when you could fit all of the important names on the inside of a computer case. Try that with todays wintel boxes (as if they would want to be 'fingered' as the culprits ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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mac plus

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

All mac+ have the signatures cast into the case like that. I have the platinum mac + model which was later than the beige ones, and it still has the signatures. I heard some folklore that said that steve jobs' signature is the biggest one, and the rest of them are much smaller... In a message dated 97-09-03 19:26:06 EDT, you write: << I have Mac + with that signatures too and how common this was I dunno. But I did heard of that in first 1000 produced of that 1k Amigas had these signed in top shell so it's somewhat rare. I see that also in some Mac 128k's. I did not know of any else done that besides said two brands. Jason D >>

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CLASSICCMP digest 163

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

At 00:02 03-09-97 PDT, you wrote: <snip> >Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:11:58 -0800 (PDT) >From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> >To: classiccmp(a)u.WASHINGTON.edu >Subject: Re: Remex paper tape readers >Message-ID: <9709030111.AA03666(a)alph02.triumf.ca> >Content-Type: text > >> Kai - I'll bite - how much does he want for one???? >> I don't care about the interface - I'll build my own. >> >> How about some Reader/Punches 8-) > >Do Model 33 ASR's ever show up at hamfests anymore? Back when I was in >high school, these were the de facto solution for reading and/or >Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:18:43 -0400 (EDT) >From: William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> >To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subject: Re: Remex paper tape readers >Message-ID: <199709030118.AA05958(a)interlock.ans.net> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >> Do Model 33 ASR's ever show up at hamfests anymore? > >No, nobody wants to drag anything that heavy. What might work is if you >pin a sign to your back saying that you actually want one of the things - >people may offer many of them to you just for hauling. <snip> I beg to differ. I saw one, in excellent condition, show up at a hamfest near the Oregon/Washington border (Longview) not that long ago. I think it was a freebie. The only reason I didn't take it is because I used to work on the things and I know, full-well, what kind of a pain they can be. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Remex paper tape readers

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

>> A vendor has several Remex high-speed paper tape readers for sale. I > Kai - I'll bite - how much does he want for one???? I don't know yet... he has about 5 available. I'll find out. Kai

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DMC Commfile

by dastar＠crl.com

Ok, my friend gave me two DMC systems this weekend. Never heard of DMC and I'm hoping someone else has. The box is about 12" high, 19" wide and about 18" deep. The front panel has a POWER and RESET switch. It says "DMC" and under that "Division of Cetec Corporation". It also says "COMMFILE". I'm assuming that's the name of this system. On the back serial number sticker, one says model 125 and the other model 130. The difference seems to be in the number of serial ports and RAM each has. Both have two integrated 8" disk drives. Inside we find a card cage with 8 slots. The cards at first look like S-100 but upon closer inspection (and a count) I noticed that they actually have 60 conductors on the each side of the edge connector. On the component side, conductors 12-51 are common. The cards are about 1.5 times the height of a typical S-100 board, and the same width. The CPU board has an 8080 on it. There are two serial ports on the back of each, one labeled "OPERATOR CONSOLE" and the other "MODEM". I got two 8" floppies (hacked into double-sided) with the system. Only one seems to boot. I plugged a terminal into the operator console port and booted the disk (it only takes about 2 seconds) and get: READY (V7.0) and then a flashing cursor. Haven't figured out any commands yet, because anytime I type anything I get: ?? INVALID COMMAND and then the READY prompt. Anyone know what I've got? I don't know if my friend knows but he wasn't around when I picked them up so I haven't had a chance to ask him. My guess is he knows nothing about them anyway. He's been sitting on them for years and finally decided he was sick of them taking up space in his room. Any help would be appreciated. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Laser Magnetic Storage Co.

by manney＠nwohio.com

> > Anyone ever heard of "Laser Magnetic Storage Co."? They made mass > > storage > > devices...I'm trying to find a driver. > > > > Thanks > > manney(a)nwohio.com > They are part of Philips, they still operate as Philips-LMS and now make > optical drives sold under the Philips brand. > > James Thanks a lot! I'll check. Manney

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Link to Good Photos

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Here's a link to a series of historic photos. Sorry for wasted bandwidth if everybody knows about this! http://ftp.arl.mil/ftp/historic-computers/ Kevin --- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Challenger 2P

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-09-01 05:59:08 EDT, you write: << >John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > >> Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by >> Ohio >> Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one? > >Interesting find! I have the Ohio Scientific Challlenger II, Model C2-4P, >S/N732 and haven't found much info on it. The machine was obtained from a >friend of a friend and no docs or anything came with it. So I also would be >interested in any information you find out about this machine! >> I have the C1P model which came with some interesting sale documentation and even some program printouts by someone who was actually using it. it also have what appears to be a tech. reference manual and board schematics. i dont have a scanner, but I suppose I could use the copier at work if theres a need for this material. david

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Challenger 2P

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > >> Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by >> Ohio >> Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one? > >Interesting find! I have the Ohio Scientific Challlenger II, Model C2-4P, >S/N732 and haven't found much info on it. The machine was obtained from a >friend of a friend and no docs or anything came with it. So I also would be >interested in any information you find out about this machine! I don't have much, but I can give some of what I know. Ohio Scientific made, or so I gather, four 8 bit home computers - the C1P, C2P, C4P and C8P. Most of my info seems to be on the C8P, which was regarded as The Home Computer of the Future largely due to its ability to control your security system, electrical appliances (like lights), smoke alarms and so on, as well as being able to dial up the police when needed. The C2P, according to the little I have here, was a CIP with more ports, as the IP had but one. Thus the info I have on specs is mostly for the 1P, not the 2P, so I will give that in case it helps. Anyway, the IP is said to have been the first fully packaged home computer that you could just plug in and use. It came with either the MOS 6502 or Motorola 6800 cpu as standard (depending on your requirements) and had a CPU expansion board, allowing the addition of a Z80 or one of several other popular CPU's. It had a standard 53 key keyboard, upper and lower case letters, and 64 char by 24 line mono video. 4k or 12K RAM was standard, with8k BASIC in ROM. Sorry that I don't have more, but my interest tends to lie in the history, rather than the specs. Just for fun, it is worth noting that Ohio Scientific is noted for being the first PC Company to have a woman (Charity Engel Cheiky, I think) as President. Adam.

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Challenger 2P

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I recently aquired a 1040STe and STf as well. It's a great machine, If you need a monitor for one I know where you can get a color 14inch stereo monitor for 85.00. This machine will do Slip, PPP and do just about anything a PC will do on the web, {with some upgrades} the Atari ST's were very cool machines I've found. If you need any info or help with the Atari, don't hesitate to ask, Its a wonderful fun machine. ---------- > From: Adam Jenkins <adam(a)merlin.net.au> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Challenger 2P > Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 9:45 PM > > >John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > > > >> Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by > >> Ohio > >> Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one? > > > >Interesting find! I have the Ohio Scientific Challlenger II, Model C2-4P, > >S/N732 and haven't found much info on it. The machine was obtained from a > >friend of a friend and no docs or anything came with it. So I also would be > >interested in any information you find out about this machine! > > I don't have much, but I can give some of what I know. Ohio Scientific > made, or so I gather, four 8 bit home computers - the C1P, C2P, C4P and > C8P. Most of my info seems to be on the C8P, which was regarded as The Home > Computer of the Future largely due to its ability to control your security > system, electrical appliances (like lights), smoke alarms and so on, as > well as being able to dial up the police when needed. > > The C2P, according to the little I have here, was a CIP with more ports, as > the IP had but one. Thus the info I have on specs is mostly for the 1P, not > the 2P, so I will give that in case it helps. > > Anyway, the IP is said to have been the first fully packaged home computer > that you could just plug in and use. It came with either the MOS 6502 or > Motorola 6800 cpu as standard (depending on your requirements) and had a > CPU expansion board, allowing the addition of a Z80 or one of several other > popular CPU's. It had a standard 53 key keyboard, upper and lower case > letters, and 64 char by 24 line mono video. 4k or 12K RAM was standard, > with8k BASIC in ROM. > > Sorry that I don't have more, but my interest tends to lie in the history, > rather than the specs. Just for fun, it is worth noting that Ohio > Scientific is noted for being the first PC Company to have a woman (Charity > Engel Cheiky, I think) as President. > > Adam. >

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Challenger 2P

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked up few new finds this week. 1. A Challenger 2P (Model C2-4P) by Ohio Scientific SN5040. Anyone have spec's on this one?; 2. ATARI 1040STF with mouse; 3. A IBM 5110, had to leave the 8inch drive unit and the printer no more in car; 4. Tandy FD 501 unit; 5. IBM tape unit Type 3363; 6. SUN SPARC station 1 model147; 7. CPT9000; and 8. Nextstation and color monitor. Now to get it all cleaned up and working.

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Sinclair kits

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

At 07:42 AM 30/08/97 +0200, you wrote: >Adam Jenkins wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling Sinclair >> ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits years >> ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting one >> of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly >> significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK. >> >> Anyway, it's at: >> >> http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts >> >> and all the standard disclaimers apply. :) >> >> Adam. > >Thank you for pointing this to me BUT.....I have tried >e-mailing and snail mailing them and....they don't answer. >Fullstop. > >Perhaps they don't supply overseas. Try and let me know. >However their kits are American and that means that the >machines will NOT work in UK. > Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the ZX81 a UK machine? I was under the understanding that it was sold in North America as the TS1000 (Timex/Sinclair). I'm pretty sure the ZX81 was made in the UK (at least that's what mine says on the case). Of course I'm not sure if it was made in the UK for a North American market... ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinclair kits

by thedm＠sunflower.com

The ZX81 was sold in both the US and the UK, the US version had a VHF RF modulator and the UK version had a UHF modulator. ---------- > From: Alan Richards <alanr(a)morgan.ucs.mun.ca> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Sinclair kits > Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 12:24 AM > > At 07:42 AM 30/08/97 +0200, you wrote: > >Adam Jenkins wrote: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling Sinclair > >> ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits years > >> ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting one > >> of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly > >> significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK. > >> > >> Anyway, it's at: > >> > >> http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts > >> > >> and all the standard disclaimers apply. :) > >> > >> Adam. > > > >Thank you for pointing this to me BUT.....I have tried > >e-mailing and snail mailing them and....they don't answer. > >Fullstop. > > > >Perhaps they don't supply overseas. Try and let me know. > >However their kits are American and that means that the > >machines will NOT work in UK. > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the ZX81 a UK machine? I was under > the understanding that it was sold in North America as the TS1000 > (Timex/Sinclair). I'm pretty sure the ZX81 was made in the UK (at least > that's what mine says on the case). > Of course I'm not sure if it was made in the UK for a North American market... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS > The Man From D.A.D > ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Are you receiving this?

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

CLASSICCMP READERS: Please pardon the CC. I'm still not sure that Tim is able to receive mail from me for whatever reason. Ok... here's the current status. I've used SYSGEN as you described, reset a couple of cards as needed to correct some mis-set addresses, and put everything back together. I've used AUTOCONFIG ALL /SELECT=(PU,PT,XQ,TX). This should have configured the tapes, the disks, the DELQA, and the DHV11. I then issued the commands: SYSGEN> WRITE ACTIVE SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENT SYSGEN> EXIT I then shut down and rebooted. However, the second TK50 still does not appear to be available under any of the device names. It should, I thought, come up as MUB0:, PUA0: or PUB0:. I cannot mount it under any of those designators. At this point, I am reinstalling OpenVMS 6.2 from scratch on another drive. I'll see what happens then. I've borrowed some documentation that covers SYSGEN, but either I'm not doing something right or I've overlooked something so basic that either one of us might take it for granted. Could the problems I've been having with the license management affect it? As soon as I get the hardware issues dealt with, I can -- FINALLY!! -- copy that stupid tape! Please let me know if you receive this in your E-mail box or only from CLASSICCMP. Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Sinclair kits

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Wont they work if you just get an PAL RF modulator? Or don't install the modulator and just use a composite monitor. ---------- > From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Sinclair kits > Date: Saturday, August 30, 1997 12:42 AM > > Adam Jenkins wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > You probably already know, but I just found a keen site selling Sinclair > > ZX81 kits in the US. Apparantly they opicked up the original kits years > > ago, and are only now trying to sell them. I am interested in putting one > > of these togeather, as the ZX81 was a fascinating computer, and highly > > significant in the Home Computer industry - especially in the UK. > > > > Anyway, it's at: > > > > http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts > > > > and all the standard disclaimers apply. :) > > > > Adam. > > Thank you for pointing this to me BUT.....I have tried > e-mailing and snail mailing them and....they don't answer. > Fullstop. > > Perhaps they don't supply overseas. Try and let me know. > However their kits are American and that means that the > machines will NOT work in UK. > > Good luck. > > enrico > -- > ============================================================ > Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. > tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile > website: <http://www.Brighton-UK.com> > ============================================================ >

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help with some recent finds

by dastar＠crl.com

Ok, I picked up some keen stuff today that I'd like to hopefully get some information for. 1. Tektronix 4041 Computer/Controller. Now this is neat. Unfortunately it doesn't do a whole lot at the moment. First a description: its about 8" wide by 8" high (front) by 2' long. It has a built-in 20 column thermal printer and a DC-100 tape drive. The front panel consists of a numeric keypad plus some other special function keys, an LED display and some status LEDs. I opened it up and found that it is a 68000 based system. It seems to use an S-100 bus, since the cards have S-100 edge connectors. It has four slots, and two of the slots are filled. One has the CPU card with the 68000 processor. The other is a Standard I/O card. The two other slots are Read/Write Memory (RAM) and an Option Card slot. The front panel also has a slot for a ROM pack. The ROM pack is a tray that pulls out and has two ROM packs plugged in with room for 4 more ROM packs. The ROM packs included allow for BASIC programming. On the back is an RS-232C port and a GP-IB (IEEE488) port. It is circa 1981. When I first booted it up the printer started spitting out paper. The next time I turned it on only the power LED came on. I then turned it off and opened up the cover to examine its innards. I pulled each card and checked them out then replaced them. I turned it back on and this time got "SELF TEST" on the display. It never does anything after that. I got two manuals with it, and of what I've read so far, the self test should check all the controllers for the tape drive, the printer, the front panel, and perform other diagnostics, then show the ROM version, but it never does this. I'm wondering if a lack of a RAM card is the culprit. This system also came with an optional programming keyboard, which was just a full size keyboard for entering in programs. If anyone can shed any light on this sucker and what else it could do I would appreciate it. I remember seeing in a book I have a picture of the graphics output of some Tektronix computer on a screen. I can't remember what book this was in or even where that book may be. I wonder if this is the system that produced that output? 2. A Lynx 460 Floppy Drive Alignment Tester. It has two connectors for 8" and 5.25" floppy drives. It has all sorts of toggle switches on it for selecting the drive (1, 2, 3 or 4), the head (1 or 0), the track address, etc. It also has status LEDs to show, for instance, Amplitude, Radial, Head Load, etc. Not that I know what any of this means (not yet at least, I got it with manuals and the manuals have a nice introduction to disk drive theory of operation). Anyway, apparently you use this in conjunction with alignment disks. Looks like a cool box (it's very small, the size of a notebook) that will come in handy in years to come. Any further information on either of these would be appreciated. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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FW: Old data storage devices

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Would others on the list like to help this fellow out? Bet he'll get some interesting recollections from this bunch. ;-) Please respond directly to the author. Also, Bill Whitson has indicated he'll try again, this weekend, to make it to my place. Let's all root for him, OK? ;-) Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >From: andrewl(a)rd.bbc.co.uk (Andrew Lipscombe) >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 12:31:54 BST >To: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net >Subject: Old data storage devices > >I am currently researching into the history of off-line and on-line storage >as part of a project. Specifically I am looking for information regarding >what $100 (or 100 pounds) would buy at five year intervals from 1960, 1965 >etc up to the present day. Or the price per megabyte at the same interval. > >Any information you can provide with regards to price of tape, disk, >paper/punchcard, drum etc storage since the first RAMAC would be very useful >indeed. There are several graphs available for predicting future trends, but >I am looking specifically for data from the past. It doesn't have to be comprehensive info, in fact just a few ballpark figures would do very nicely! > >In fact I'm after any half-remembered original prices of any hard or floppy >drives that you may have acquired! > >Thanks in advance for your help, > >Andrew Lipscombe >BBC R&D > >ps if you can't help, could you please pass this message onto someone who might >be able to. Cheers > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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FW: Re: Q-bus cards.

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

I've been in correspondence with a fellow who's got a lot of older VAXen, Q-Bus, and disk drive goodies. He may also have some mainframe stuff. I've already claimed a QBus-to-SA1000 disk interface board set. Please contact him directly if you want more details. Thanks! Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >Reply-To: <edick(a)idcomm.com> >From: edick(a)idcomm.com (Richard Erlacher) >To: "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin2(a)wizards.net> >Subject: Re: Q-bus cards. >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:44:45 -0600 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 > >Nope . . . it's just junk in the basement from back when I was contemplating >building up a Q-bus system. I quickly gave up on that one . . . > >You cover the freight. Probably $3 per board via USPS priority mail would >cover it. Q-bus SCSI cards from makers like EMULEX were still very hot when I >got this 2-board set. I looked at the size of the project, and looked at the >product I'd have when the work was done, and quit right there. I had some >memory cards, and even an 11-780 (VAX) rack pair, but without drives or memory >cards. One trip down the stairs with that convinced me I didn't want any more >of that stuff. ]] > >I still have a few dumb terminals (not ANSI) and a few old printers. I even >have a SASI interfaced hard drive, complete with the bridge controller >(SA1000). Mostly, I have old 70's and 80's S-100 stuff.. > >If you're interested in the drives which go with the controller, you need to >consider that I'm in Denver and that the drives weigh about 25-30#. > >I am, incidentally, not a collector at all, just a guy who bought a lot of >stuff which he doesn't need any more at high prices and hasn't the heart >(sense) to junk it. I am, an electronics engineer and used to use some of this >stuff for one thing or another. > >I can attempt to make a list of what's just lying about. As I wrote before, >much of it is in the basement because I can't carry it up by myself, else it >would have been gone long ago. > > >---------- >> From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin2(a)wizards.net> >> To: edick(a)idcomm.com >> Subject: Re: Q-bus cards. >> Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 20:56 PM >> >> At 18:10 28-08-97 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >Thanks for the WD7000 drivers, etc. I have an item you might like to >> consider, >> >namely a Q-bus to ST1000 (Shugart 8") hard drive adapter. Actually, it's >two >> >cards. >> >> <snip> >> >> You're most welcome, and yes, I would most definitely be interested! (for >> the collection value if nothing else). Would you want any actual cash for >> it or would I just need to cover the shipping? >> >> > Now that's an oddity if ever there was one, and, in fact, I could even >> >send you a drive or two, (I think) though I'm not certain they haven't been >> >recycled, since there's a significant amount of scrap aluminum involved. I >> >have LOTS of late '70's through 80's computer equipment. Much of it too >> heavy >> >to toss, else it would already be gone. Let me know if there's something >> >specific you want. Perhaps I have it! >> >> Well, I have been keeping an eye out for a QBus-to-SCSI board, though that >> may be a little late-model for the collection it sounds like you have. >> >> Two questions: >> >> 1). Where are you located? >> >> 2). Since it sounds like you're a collector, would you be interested in >> subscribing to a listserver, out of the University of Washington, with a >> bunch of other collectors on there? If not, I can forward a list of >> whatever you'd like to get rid of to the list. >> >> Thanks again! >> >> >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) >> (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) >> http://www.wizards.net/technoid >> "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own >> human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..." > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Hard Disks

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, Last weekend I was lucky enough to find a pallet of Apple II stuff (2 complete systems, and lots of cool things), and amongst everything was a copy of a book called the "Apple II User's Guide" published back in '81 by Osbourne/McGraw-Hill. In this book under the chapter on Drives I found that it talks about three types of disks; Hard Disks, Winchester Disks, and Diskettes. It also has a picture for each, and it's the picture of the "Hard Disk System" that interests me. It appears to be a Rack Mounted enclosure for a Removable Disk pack. I can't see how many platters the pack has (the cover is white plastic), but I would guess between 2 and 4. It has four square push buttons (looks like the kind that light up), and two small lights. Basically it looks like a "Micro" version of the disk packs I used to use on Honeywell and UNISYS Mainframes. The photo was courtesy of "Cameo Electronics", and I can see their logo on part of the case. The text says the disks cost about $150 each and the drives between $3000-10000. All in all a very fascinating looking peice of hardware! I've never seen anything like them other than on mainframes, were these very common? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Mac Programmer | +----------------------------------+---------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne, and Traveller Role Playing | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Hard Disks

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> <In this book under the chapter on Drives I found that it talks about three <types of disks; Hard Disks, Winchester Disks, and Diskettes. It also has Funny most hard disks are winchester in base technology even if they are removable!... The osborne folks tended to make strange distinctions. <The text says the disks cost about $150 each and the drives between <$3000-10000. All in all a very fascinating looking peice of hardware! <I've never seen anything like them other than on mainframes, were these <very common? A common one was the CDC hawk drives at 10mb per pack. As they were often more expensive than the cpu they were on they were not frequently seen on the likes of apples and s100 systems. They were more often seen on Novas, PDP-8s, PDP-11s and other minis. The larger multiplatter drives were even to costly for the smaller minis and were seen at those sites that had the larger PDP11s or even bigger machines. Back in 1980 a Hawk (10meg) was something close to twice the price of a complete NorthStar* Horizion with two floppies, 64k and terminal. Two years later non removable drive would be quite cheap compared to that but removeable platter drives would still command a premium. Now a Zip drive compares to common IDE hard disks. Allison

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Multiple Topics...

by bw＠booster.bothell.washington.edu

1. After getting slightly sidetracked on the way to Bruce's a couple weeks ago - I'm back ;). 2. Apple III experts - what's the difference between an A3M01 and an A3M02? I'm assuming 01 is the "drop-fix" motherboard and 02 is the fixed version. Does anyone have software for a MS Softcard III? 3. Do you need Apple II parts? I have too many. I have II+s and IIe's (working and not) lots of Monitor III's. Assorted manuals for Apple II and III. Tons of disk drives. If you're looking for something and I have it it's yours for the price of shipping. I have a number of badly broken system which will ultimately be scrapped but I'll be pulling pieces so... I'll eventually put together a list but I need to make some room now so just ask. I'll also be trekking down the coast 2nd week of September so if you live along I5 in OR/WA or 101 in CA I might be able to deliver. 4. Classic Computer HOWTO's. I've been sitting at home for a week inventing things to do and started writing a how to document detailing drive alignment for various disk drives (not even close to ready yet). Anyway, seems like a cool idea for those of you who know how to do things to detail them in a howto and help improve everyone's know-how. People keep asking, for example, how to convert TV to composite output. If you've got nothing better to do ;). Bill -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson Classic Computer List Operator bw(a)booster.bothell.washington.edu CCL Website: http://haliotis.u.washington.edu/classiccmp

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VAXstation works!

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Well, I got the VAX working last night. It has a melted power cable that I had to rebuild. It seems to boot Ultrix, what seems to be a Unix variant. Time to play... Also, can anyone point me to any FAQs about the VAXstations? Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com

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Bouroughs Documentation

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Anyone interested in any of the Bouroughs manuals given the lack of > precise data on what they are? I'll probably pick up most of it anyway but > if I know someone wants the stuff, I can be a little more liberal in what we > take. Yeah. I've had unhealthy relations with a B-800; if there's anything about the B-800 I'm interested. Other things to look for are COBOL language manuals, NDL language manuals, and manuals covering operating of MCP and CANDE. I'm interested in all/any of these. BTW, the B-80 is close enough to the B-800 to be interesting as far as I'm concerned... Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu PS: Burroughs had a really good COBOL compiler on the B-800, it just took _forever_ to compile anything...

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Laser Magnetic Storage Co.

by manney＠nwohio.com

Anyone ever heard of "Laser Magnetic Storage Co."? They made mass storage devices...I'm trying to find a driver. Thanks manney(a)nwohio.com "How can anyone govern a nation that has two hundred and forty different kinds of cheese?" -- Charles de Gaulle

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VAX II

by 107765.1161＠compuserve.com

Picked this up on a local Tulsa-area bulletin board; I don't know a thing about it, but didn't know if someone here might be interested: ______________________________________ >From : JON JUREK We hava micro Vax II that we are trying to sell or get rid of somehow and would like to know if anyone has a need. Please send e-mail to jonj(a)fly.aeromet.com. Sorry for this garbled message. my terminal emulation leaves a lot to be desired. Thanks a bunch.

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DEC Assistance

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Tim or Allison, I could really use your help. Tim, I think something in the mail system may be preventing my messages from reaching you. I have O-VMS 6.2 up and running. What I need is someone else with a MicroVAX to create an RX50 floppy, initialized with VMS, with VMSTPCE (unzipped and ready to roll, ideally) copied to it. I cannot seem to transfer it from my PC, via PUTR and VMS's EXCHANGE, to save my life. This evening, I will try installing TCP/IP services on the VAX and try to FTP the appropriate file from its resting spot on my server. However, I'm not sanguine about the results given my difficulties over the last few weeks. Sheesh... it should NOT be this hard to do a simple binary tape copy! If tonight's effort fails, and no one else can help, I'll just install Ultrix and try it that way. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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A McDonnell-Douglas Micro-6000?

by manney＠nwohio.com

> Anybody know what this baby runs??? I heard in passing that they used > to run PICK on it. I think PICK is some kind of manufacturing software > but what was/is the operating system? IIRC, PIC is its own operating system -- useful for database work. A village down near me still uses it for its town hall records, and -- last I hear -- was still supported.

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Kaypro II help needed

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I decided to drag out my kaypro II for testing/cataloging/photos and noticed it's even worse than before. previously, i was able to boot a cpm disk but got no keyboard activity. now, it powers on, spins the floppy a few rotations, then prompts to place a disk in drive a: and no more than that. hitting the reset button didnt do anything. it keeps coming back to the same screen. while typing this note, i noticed it finally booted off a floppy in about 5 minutes' wait and now i'm getting no keyboard input (not even ^M or ^G) and the floppy light is staying on but not spinning. i do get an a: prompt though. someone mentioned the keyboard controller chip missing, but it's there. this machine has two half height floppies which i assume incorrect. would full height pc/xt drives be "correct"? what should i check now? david

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setup for IDS PC-88 Turbo (fwd)

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

Anybody here able to help this guy out? i don't believe he is a subscriber so if you could e-mail him directly, that'd be preferred, thanks. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:35:26 -0400 From: wgh <wgh(a)wgh.org> To: more(a)camlaw.Rutgers.EDU Subject: setup for IDS PC-88 Turbo Hello, I am in need of a setup program for an Intellegent Data Systems PC-88 computer running DOS 3.2. The copy I have simply locks up the computer after the main menu is displayed. Any help you could give would be appreciated. Timothy J. Hummer wcpgoa(a)penn.com

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UNISYS to give away

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Hello all, I just spotted this on the austin.forsale news group. I have no other connection with the guy or the computer. Hope someone can use this. (Hmm. I hope the UNISYS is > 10 years old ... if not, please excuse me.) - Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: coqui.ccf.swri.edu!news.sesqui.net!academ!cs.utexas.edu!news-relay.us.dell.com!j ump.net!news-fw!news.mpd!newsgate.tandem.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news -hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.spr intlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.eden.com!news.eden. com!yakuza.fc.net!pm1-1.tab.com From: Scratch <scratch(a)tab.com> Newsgroups: austin.forsale Subject: Free computer and Stuff Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 02:47:41 -0600 Organization: Freeside Communications Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3402982D.689C(a)tab.com> Reply-To: scratch(a)tab.com NNTP-Posting-Host: jade.tab.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: coqui.ccf.swri.edu austin.forsale:86491 I am giving away a GE dishwasher, A UNYSIS mainframe computer, printer, disk subsytem and a old metal school teachers desk (disassembled) and matching chair to anyone who can come get it out of my garage FREE. Please e-mail me. -- Ron E. Marks http://www.tab.com/~scratch/home.html Austin, Texas Those who know use MACINTOSH...those who don't, call "Tech Support"

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A McDonnell-Douglas Micro-6000?

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Anybody know what this baby runs??? I heard in passing that they used > to run PICK on it. I think PICK is some kind of manufacturing software > but what was/is the operating system? PICK is the operating system. PICK is a combination operating system/programming language/user environment. It was created by Dick Pick on a military computer (I think one of those militarized UNIVAC thingies) and ported to a variety of other machines. AFAIK all legitimate ports were done by Dick Pick himself, although the book I found talks about people cloning PICK without Dick's permission (since this is a book of the "PICK rah, rah, rah!" variety, this is said to be a Bad Thing). Personally, it looked to me like there were holes in the PICK system you could drive a truck through; security seems to be done mostly through obscurity. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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A McDonnell-Douglas Micro-6000?

by danjo＠xnet.com

Anybody know what this baby runs??? I heard in passing that they used to run PICK on it. I think PICK is some kind of manufacturing software but what was/is the operating system? BC

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Does anyone have an explanation of what the Unibus pins do?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I was curious. I have the pinout in the 11/44 book, but it doesn't say what any of the pins do. I have something I want to try, but to try it I'd need to know what the pins do.

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Lost my e-mail!

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

Hello, all: If anyone has sent me any e-mail since yesterday 8/26 at 5pm, please resend it. Somehow, Exchange and Windows 95 trashed my e-mail store. Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET rcini(a)msn.com

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