test-drb November 2001

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff in the > > yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything (I'm kinda > > assuming that what's true for this guy is industry standard). > > It never hurts to ask, right? > > Unless he chases you away with a shotgun loaded with rock salt. That > would hurt. My only concern is that I might get asked "are you the guy in the red Audi who was diggint through my stuff?" ;) -dq

22 years, 11 months

Adobe Loss in California District Court, Good News for Classi cCmp rs

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > I'm not sure how many of you have seen this yet, but Adobe has lost a > > suit regarding the transferrability of software licenses. The court > > has rules that even if the wording of a license specifically prohibits > > the resale of the software by the original buyer to a new owner, the > > original owner is within their rights in doing so. > > > > Of course, without a doubt, Adobe will likely appeal this at least as > > far as the California Supreme Court. We can only hope they'll lose > > there as well. > > We can only hope that common sense will continue to prevail. We can only hope! -dq

22 years, 11 months

Compaq Presario 1200 Restore CDs

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Matt London [mailto:classiccmp@knm.yi.org] > jam. My girlfriend owns a compaq presario 1200 laptop, and the windows > install is b0rked (surprise surprise). The company she bought it from > refuse to supply her with the CDs and manuals that came with > it originally > (it was supplied as ex.demo as a replacement for a broken model they > couldn't replace exactly). I don't suppose you've suggested netbsd to her? ;) I suppose I'm lucky that mine hates windows _almost_ as much as I. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 11 months

Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? >Contract Law. While most surplus sales are outright sales many are contract >sales which may have restrictive clauses. How willing the scrapper is to >violate contract law, a civil matter, varies widely. Ok, so then there is no direct law that says items sold as scrap have to remain scrap. So if a company sells 1000 working computers as scrap, and doesn't specify that they have to be destroyed (although I am sure they would specify that), then the scrapper is under no obligation to trash them, and can sell them as working systems. That is kind of what I thought the deal would be (and should be). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 11 months

Fw: Control Data Cyber 960 rescue interest?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > http://members.iglou.com/dougq/cdc/cyber960.jpg > > That's a photo of a 180, which he also has (or was it a 170?) and is > working on getting running. The console in the photo I posted was for the > 960, which you can't see in the background. My understanding was that 180 was the series designation, 960 was the model designation. In the 170 series they went about as far as 170/855 before they essentially dropped the series designation. -dq

22 years, 11 months

Macintosh

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 03:31 PM 11/29/01 -0000, you wrote: >> Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh >> System to run on >> 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? > >According to LowEndMac it's either 7.6.1 or 8.1 depending on the machine.... > >-- >Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd 8.1 is right, but you need a 68040. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

22 years, 11 months

Macintosh

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Could someone tell me what the last version of Macintosh System to run on > >> 68K machines was? Where can I get a copy? > > > >That would be System 6.0.8, and you should be abe to > >download it from Apple's FTP site. Try navigating > >through the stuff at http://mirror.apple.com/. > > Actually, up to System 7.5.5 easily runs on 68k Mac's such as > Quadra 605's (which use a 68040). I believe System 8.1 will also run > on some 68k Mac's though 8.5 requires a PPC. For a minimalist > machine, System 7.1 certainly runs well. A camel train has less latency than this list! -dq

22 years, 11 months

Ampro Littleboard problems..

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Depending on the Eprom installed a prompt is not always to be expected. Mine has 3.mumble and does not prompt. However it does boot most anything bootable it can find including SCSI hard disk. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Ampro Littleboard problems.. >Though there are many "Little Board" products from Ampro, the ones I have, which >are the originals from back in '83 or so, will produce a prompt if you (1) have >no floppy attached, or (2) don't have a diskette in it. If it's not producing >that prompt, I'd say you need to look elsewhere than the floppy drive. > >Aside from single-sided drives, I've never encountered a 48TPI drive that this >machine wouldn't boot once it's jumpered for DS0. > >Nevertheless, if it's not producing the prompt, something's seriously wrong. >There aren't many parts that could be broken, but perhaps you should look into >which one it might be. My experience has been that if it doesn't produce that >prompt, it won't boot under any circumstances. > >Dick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:58 AM >Subject: Re: Ampro Littleboard problems.. > > >> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Gene Buckle wrote: >> > >> > > I've got a Littleboard I'm tring to bring up. When I feed it a disk, >> > > and power it up, it will select the drive, spin it and shut down after >> > > about 3 to 5 seconds. I never hear a head step. Nothing shows up on the >> > > serial port (port a, 9600). The drive I'm using is a Teac FD-54B-02-U >> > > and the two jumpers are set to DS0 and IU. >> > >> > I presume that is a typo and it really is an FD-55B. Is it terminated? >> > I assume a straight cable since it is selected. The FD-55s that I use >> > are jumpered DS0 (for straight cable), HS, IU, and SM on the two main >> > jumper headers. PM is also jumpered on its own header. >> > >> >> Don, the number on the back of the drive really is FD-54B. As far as >> termination, I don't know. There is no place for what I would call a >> "traditional" floppy termination pack. There is a SIP resistor soldered >> into the board right ahead of the data connector. I don't have the drive >> in front of me now, but I don't recall seeing "SM" as being a jumper >> position. I do recall the "HS" labelling however. >> >> I don't recall anything marked "PM" at all. >> >> Thanks! >> >> g. >> >> >> >

22 years, 11 months

PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Interesting, I've got the lamps (I'd been hoping for LEDs), but I didn't connect the wires for testing. Looks like the next step when I get home will be to figure out which wire plugs into which connector on the front panel. Unfortunatly the person that took the system apart and shipped it didn't make notes. OTOH, he did a magnificent job of packing and the system came with full doc's. Zane > > If memeory serves that depended on the lamps to load the PS > down to rated voltages. If you have leds the load willbe lighter and since > they have current limiting resistors the small extra votage is not an issue. > > Allison > -----Original Message----- > From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:57 PM > Subject: PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2 > > > >OK, I got brave and flipped the switch and started testing voltages with > >everything disconnected. > > > >I've got a H724 PS and everything looks good except the +8Vdc line which is > >for powering the light bulbs on the front panel, and the 14Vac. The +8Vdc > >should be between 6-10Vdc according to Volume 1 of the maintenance manual, > >and it's currently at 11.14Vdc. The 14Vac looks like it might be even more > >messed up, as I'm getting 8.95Vac on one line and 19.26Vac on the other, > >but it doesn't look to be used. > > > >Now for everything except the +8Vdc and 14Vac everything looks to be > >adjustable. So, is there anything I can tweak on this, or should I just > >not worry about it? I really don't want to be blowing lightbulbs if I can > >help it. > > > > Zane > >-- > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > >| | Classic Computer Collector | > >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > > >

22 years, 11 months

Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@Mac.com] > I don't know the laws, but why shouldn't a scapper be allowed > to sell the > stuff in working condition? They are in the scrap business, > and I would > think once it is theirs, they should be allowed to sell it > however they > want (pulverize and sell as land fill, or repair and sell as working). > Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? I doubt it. There may be very few contracts that require this sort of thing, but honestly, if the company scrapping the equipment was that worried about it, they'd scrap it themselves. I have heard that NSA does this, and that further they (to paraphrase) "slag their disks and post armed guards around the slag." Most companies likely just throw the stuff out and don't care what happens to it afterwards. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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test-drb November 2001