test-drb November 2001

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> When supposedly scrapped S/Ns began appearing on the used market, > as I was told, DEC learned of the scheme, and, without telling the > bidding scrappers, installed a chipper to convert the material > to pieces no larger than about 5cm on a side, steel racks included. > I heard the next scrapper was most surprised when he big on a load of > scrap that really was a load of scrap. This brings me to a question that's probably been discussed here; I just recently found the local computer recycling firm. I was luck enought to pull two late-model Apple //e's from a cardboard box sitting in front of the business during the Thanksgiving holiday. Also two Apple 5.25 inch flopppies, a 130MB Seagate IDE drive, a 550MB (?) Seagate IDE drive, and a rather nice late-model compact IBM keyboard (has Windows key). But the firm had some interesting stuff in the fenced-in yard. Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry standard). -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > But the firm had some interesting stuff in the fenced-in yard. > Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > standard). By all means, go back and see what they say. Generally I've found that hardware is fair game to repair (if needed) and re-sell. Most won't touch the software because of legal problems, but some are more zealous about removing it than others. (some also leave it to the people throwing the stuff away to remove software, which often isn't done) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > >in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > >(I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > >standard). > > I don't know the laws, but why shouldn't a scapper be allowed to sell the > stuff in working condition? They are in the scrap business, and I would > think once it is theirs, they should be allowed to sell it however they > want (pulverize and sell as land fill, or repair and sell as working). > > Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? If they purchase it from the original owners with the understanding that the stuff will be destroyed instead of resold, it would be a breach of (probably verbal) contract. -dq

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by CLeyson＠aol.com

> Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > standard). It's worth asking. I recently bought a scrapped Takeda Riken audio spectrum analyzer from my employers. It's been gathering dust for the last 5 to 6 years. They were glad to rid of it and I have a broken toy with a 16-bit bit-slice processor. Chris

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/01 12:23:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, mythtech(a)Mac.com writes: > Is there some law against selling the stuff in working condition? > > Contract Law. While most surplus sales are outright sales many are contract sales which may have restrictive clauses. How willing the scrapper is to violate contract law, a civil matter, varies widely. Certified destruction is a contract where destruction is usually certified by an outside auditor. A good scrapper holds to his contracts in order to get repeat business and maintain his reputation as reliable. There are many shady and fly by night people in the scrap business. There are many good and reliable people too. Paxton Astoria, OR Pa

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S. Ring has badtrans virus

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Just found kernel32.exe and kdll.dll and zapped them. Thanks Lawrence. I made the mistake of opening the infected attachment. Sunday 25th. Spent hours looking for inetd.exe, kern32.exe and hksdll.dll (Badtrans.a) According to McAffe:- "This mass mailing worm attempts to send itself using Microsoft Outlook by replying to unread and read email messages. It also mails itself to email addresses found within files that exist on your system. It drops a keylogging trojan (detected as PWS-Hooker with the 4173 DATs, or greater) into the SYSTEM directory as KDLL.DLL. This trojan logs keystrokes for the purpose of stealing personal information (such as credit card and bank account numbers and passwords). This information is later emailed to the virus author(s)." I never could get Outlook to install - how do I know what my POP3 address is !! Thankyou Microsoft. Chris

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PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

If memeory serves that depended on the lamps to load the PS down to rated voltages. If you have leds the load willbe lighter and since they have current limiting resistors the small extra votage is not an issue. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: PDP-8/E PowerSupply Part 2 >OK, I got brave and flipped the switch and started testing voltages with >everything disconnected. > >I've got a H724 PS and everything looks good except the +8Vdc line which is >for powering the light bulbs on the front panel, and the 14Vac. The +8Vdc >should be between 6-10Vdc according to Volume 1 of the maintenance manual, >and it's currently at 11.14Vdc. The 14Vac looks like it might be even more >messed up, as I'm getting 8.95Vac on one line and 19.26Vac on the other, >but it doesn't look to be used. > >Now for everything except the +8Vdc and 14Vac everything looks to be >adjustable. So, is there anything I can tweak on this, or should I just >not worry about it? I really don't want to be blowing lightbulbs if I can >help it. > > Zane >-- >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | >| | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | >

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Spam from _sring@uslink.net?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Bill Dawson <whdawson(a)mlynk.com> >I'm using Outlook 2000 with the latest Microslop patches/security updates >and the latest version of ZoneAlarm, 2.6.357, so I avoided infection. I avoid it by running NT4/sp4 with IE4.02, an older version. Then I disable activex, comx and VBS.scripting as those things are needed by virii to propagate. The end result was that virus at home did little more than generate an unknown image type, afterwhich I deleted in and waved bye to it. Allison

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Scrapping hardware to get it off the books (RE: Is it a Lisa or Mac XL?!)

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/01 11:34:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com writes: > Should I even bother going back and asking to see the stuff > in the yard? Or, has this firm agreed not to resell anything > (I'm kinda assuming that what's true for this guy is industry > standard). > > Go back. It always pays to ask. Most scrap dealers buy outright their scrap. Ii is only a small portion of the contracts that specify no resale. And certified destruction is a very small part of the scrap business. We only had two or three certified destruction contracts in the years I worked with a scrapper. One were the BIIN computers. Another was 600 Fujitsu 2333 HDs, that was an interesting week of work. Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR

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Martha Stewart

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 02:10 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > >Hungarian notation meets Homemaker nation... > > lpszGoodThing? ROFL! -q

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test-drb November 2001