test-drb April 1999

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Removing paint & magic marker graffiti from computer cases

by edick＠idcomm.com

Excellent suggestion! After you finish, try applying a coat of "Armor-All." Though that's another automotive product, it puts a coat of wax on the case so other forms of grime can be wiped off, and it gives the case a "new" feel. That all-too-common stain and stink from tobacco smoke, by the way, comes out easily with "409" cleanser. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Christopher Finney <af-list(a)lafleur.wfi-inc.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Removing paint & magic marker graffiti from computer cases > >I use CitriSolv, a fairly common citrus-based solvent. It's not so nasty >to your skin or lungs, and treats most hard plastics and painted surfaces >gentle enough. It's the only thing that takes the Thrift Stores' sharpie >graffitti off of this stuff... > >Hope that helps, > >Aaron > >

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Removing paint & magic marker graffiti from computer cases

by edick＠idcomm.com

A really fine-grit scouring powder like "Bon-Ami" might be what Hans wants to recommend. Those really tough plastic scouring sponges would be appropriate in most cases. You've got to be sure you don't scratch the surface, though. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Removing paint & magic marker graffiti from computer cases > >> I've got a couple of Commodore PETs that need to be cleaned up. >> I'd like to restore them to like new condition...the only problem >> is some markings on the systems. > >> Any ideas on how to remove from the metal case (with damaging the >> painted surface underneath) >> - Spray paint (numbers) >> - Permanent magic marker (more numbers) > >Depending on the Modell - if it's one of the SK/LP/HP CBMs, >I recomend a ... ups, now I got problems since I don't know >exact american namings and brands - I would recomend ATA >(thats a brandname, but also used generic for most brands >of not aggressive Scheuerpulver (scpuring agent (?)) with >an aprobiate hard sponge (non metall), since the 'rough' >surface accepts microscratches, and the coulour used is >thick enough to allow this procedure - don't use any kind >of sandpaper. > >For Metall case PET/CBMs with the rough surface the same >method might be usefull, but you have to prpare the Scheuer- >pulver with water in a seperate place, to avoide the first, >hard contact - also add some sadditional soup and use a soft >sponge with less pessure - you might need to polish it later >on with polish materials for cars. > >For the smooth surface (early) models, I recomend only soap >and a sponge - and a real lot of rubbing. Also some helpers >as used for car paint refurbishing are usefull. > >All this will only work to remove non aggressive markers. >If the markers have interacted deeply with the paint, and >or if spray paint is used, you have to do an repaint job. >take a medium to fine Schmirgelpapier and remove the unwanted >paint, until is is completly gone - try to take of material >all over at the same rate. if done well it might be enough >original paint still on the surface that you only need to >add a new gloss-paint layer - if not, considere to unpaint >whole case and give it to a car painting company for the >job to do it (including new paint of course. > >The main problem is that you have to prepare all parts the >same way, since it would look terrible if only one side of >the pet is 'redone' > >Gruss >H. >(There has been an Idea of a workshop on Computer cleaning >vor VCF 3.0 - Sallam ?) > >-- >Stimm gegen SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/de/ >Vote against SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/en/ >Votez contre le SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/fr/ >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK

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Removing paint & magic marker graffiti from computer cases

by edick＠idcomm.com

Try benzene (mine came from an art-supply house under the trade name "BESTINE" which is used for removing tape residue.) This may not work on all paints and markers, but it surely does a nice job on the tape and other adhesives used to attach property tags and the like. I've removed some "magic-marker" from plastic cases, but marker and paing sometimes interact with the plastic, in which case you may have a more serious problem. It's just cosmetic, though. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Chandra Bajpai <cbajpai(a)mediaone.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 7:05 AM Subject: Removing paint & magic marker graffiti from computer cases > >I've got a couple of Commodore PETs that need to be cleaned up. >I'd like to restore them to like new condition...the only problem >is some markings on the systems. > >Any ideas on how to remove from the metal case (with damaging the >painted surface underneath) > - Spray paint (numbers) > - Permanent magic marker (more numbers) > >Thanks, >Chandra > >

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VAXBar

by bruce.a.lane＠boeing.com

Ok... this one has to be seen to be believed, and that's all I'm going to say about it. ;-) http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~vance/www/vaxbar.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- NOTE: The views expressed are mine alone, and do NOT necessarily represent the views of the Boeing Company, its management or employees. Bruce Lane, Alpha Geek and Laptop Fixer, Boeing Aircraft & Missiles, Operations, Kent Space Center West, 18-04.2 / G1 -- M/S 8K-45 (253) 773-8576laneb(a)bcstec.ca.boeing.com "...One harried engineering tech masquerading as a computer support guy..."

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The "FIRST PC" and personal timelines (Was: And what were the80s

by edick＠idcomm.com

This "#@$&*() bull," was part of the party line presented by a DEC sales team at a presentation I attended about fifteen years ago, on behalf of one of the "systems integration contractors" their policies were designed to support. The presenters routinely referred to their clever position in the government market in the terms I used. This was VERY consistent with the way other things appeared at that time. When I worked in other government-related environments, I also noted that, while Digital provided field service, they were not the vendor who provided the original hardware. I was persuaded by this and numerous other statements which had been made to the same effect, by others who worked with the DEC line. I always thought of this as a clever arrangement to ensure that the government got the pitch from their contractors as well as from DEC, and to ensure a sound common basis for DEC to interact with the various contractors with no risk to their business. Because DEC didn't provide the services that these contractors provided, they could be assured of lots of business with the gov because when a job went out for bids, nobody would base their bid on Honeywell or IBM because they provided services at no charge which DEC didn't, and therefore, although perhaps half a dozen entities would bid on a given job, they all would propose DEC equipment. This was at least in part because the same entities who would submit proposals also had people on the inside who wrote the specifications. This worked well for the gov as well as for their contractors. It also worked well for DEC. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 6:35 AM Subject: Re: The "FIRST PC" and personal timelines (Was: And what were the80s >> They (DEC) wouldn't sell >> directly to the government because that required they let government >> auditors look at their books. There was too much risk that the word would >> leak out that their profit margins on their mini's were pretty generous. >> That would have led to competition, which they really never enjoyed. >> >> >> Dick > > >This is unadulterated #@$&*() bull. >And revisionist history with an agenda sucks. > >I take serious offence to this. DEC sold directly to the government. >They (the gov't) was their second largest customer when I was there >(behind the good old AT&T Ma Bell folks). I was a dedicated Field >service type at Fort Monmouth. I also did time as a government >contractor on projects. > >What are you basing this opinion on. > >Bill > >--- > bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org > Three things never anger: First, the one who runs your DEC, > The one who does Field Service and the one who signs your check.

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(Fwd) Model 6000 Help Needed

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

I know there are some people here who have Model 16/6000s on the list. Can any of you help this guy out? You can email him directly. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Caleb Rawstron <CalebR(a)scfa.dst.ca.us> I am looking for Model 6000 equipment to get my ailing system up and running again. I need a complete 35 meg, MFM hard drive with power supply and data board. If you have one or know anyone who does I would really be interested in talking turkey or trade for other equipment. Desperate in California, Caleb A. Rawstron crawstrn(a)astreet.com or crawstrn(a)hotmail.com ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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Collecting Computers: A Guide - the book.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

Thank you. The first printing of A Guide to Collecting Computers and Computer Collectibles: History, Practice, and Technique is just about sold out. There is at least one copy of the book in every country of Europe, plus copies all over Austrialia, Canada, and the U.S. of A. A few copies are still available through the Vintage Computer Festival - visit the VCF web site and support Sellam's work. You know that both the computer and antique industries highly recommended the book and many collectors took the time to provide feedback such as "I now know more about myself through your book." Collecting computers is good fun and perhaps a good thing to do. Up the old computer! By the way, will someone please tell me what a pentium is? Yours in good faith. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

25 years, 8 months

The "FIRST PC" and personal timelines (Was: And what were the 80s

by edick＠idcomm.com

Yes, you're right, but the "video" is the stuff that comes out of the RS170A-compatible, and if you mean the "A" standard, then VERY roughly, indeed. It was more common to see the Apple-][ with a non-Apple monitor for a number of reasons. First, it's likely the monitor was an Apple afterthought. Second, what I remember seeing most was a small (often a Sanyo 9") monitor sitting atop the Apple computer, next to two floppy drives one atop the other. In any case the Apple monitor was too big for that application and it made the Apple not unlike the TRS-80, in that it consisted of too many pieces and took up too much desktop. Nevertheless, monitor or none, the VIDEO was "in there." Dick -----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 3:31 AM Subject: Re: The "FIRST PC" and personal timelines (Was: And what were the 80s >> The Apple-][ most certainly did come with built-in Video. That's just about >> all that was built-in. > >Strange. Several of my friends bought them back in 1977, and they only >got a computer with an RS170A-compatible (roughly) output on an RCA jack, >which was intended for connection to a TV or monitor that was NOT supplied. > >My point was that the PDP-8/e with VT8-E that I had brought up earlier had >every bit as "real" a video output as the later systems that Lawrence wants >to designate as "first". > >> BTW, I just gave away one which had an APPLE brand >> monitor with it. > >Sure, but there weren't any Apple brand monitors in 1977. Apple didn't >even resell another brand of monitor at that time. > >I stand by my assertion that the PDP-8/e with VT8-E was a personal computer >with raster graphics. It was designed for use by one person, and was >inexpensive enough that a determined but not fabulously wealthy person could >buy one. A few people did. > >The VT05 that Allison mentioned was a raster display terminal, but did not >have graphics capabilities (even as an option). I've got one. I don't have >a VT8-E; since I can't seem to find one, I'd at least like to get some prints >and build one.

25 years, 8 months

Ebay virus on the loose

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

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z80 timing... 6502 timing

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/21/99 6:09:47 PM Central Daylight Time, allisonp(a)world.std.com writes: > <Name a non-homebrew SC/MP based computer. > <(note, I believe one existed, but memory is fuzzy till i get home to > <the old magazines) > > Not including the three sold by National Semi or the ones that used the > 8073 SC/MP with a internal rom tiny basic(also sold be national)??? > > Allison > Yes, not including any by NS. I know they produced boards, just like most manufacturers did. DigiKey had something in their catalogs, but its been so long, I don't remember exactly what it was. (maybe just reselling the NS stuff?) Kelly

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