I was wondering if anyone out there had an old Mac Portable (the Mac
laptop) that they'd want to sell. I really don't want to pay all that much
for it, and I don't need anything all that fast (I don't know all that much
about Macs), but it needs to run at least System 6.0.5. The main reason
that I'm looking for one, is that my school uses mainly Macs (the only PC's
that they have are a few XT's that you need to turn off the lights to read
the monitors), and I don't have a Mac. Whenever I'm working on a project,
I'm confined to the 40 minutes of classtime to get it done. I'm not
looking for a full-sized Mac, because (1) I don't have the room, and (2), I
sort of need the portability, because It's not very often that I'm at home
before 8:30 or 9:00 PM, and at that time I don't really feel like working
on stuff for school.
All I'm really asking is that it works, and can run System 6.0.5 (that's
what my school uses).
ThAnX in advance,
Oh, well, thinks like that do happen, and there's not much you can do about
it. I use MS-MAIL, and a lot of times, I don't even GET some of the
messages :-( I hate it, but it's all my computer will run. It seems like
every reader has it's problems.
> From: cdrmool(a)interlog.com
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: FW: Dos v2.11 apology
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 5:03 AM
> Sorry for the empty message back a bit. I understand some people were
> annoyed. Let me explain for those who don't use Pine as a mail reader.
> The cancel command ctrl-c and cancel ctrl-x are easy to mix up. Its
> as annoying as when using Telix and wanting to shell out (alt-j) and
> accidentally hang up (alt-h). Yes, you are prompted to make sure you want
> send after ctrl-x but if your not expecting it, simply expecting to
> cancel, hitting the return is done before the prompt is even seen. Also,
> being a reasonably fast typist leads to mistakes of overconfidence in
> has been typed. Remappimg the keyboard would be the obvious answer but
> after once doing so I caused new problems, so I don't bother.
> I promise it will never happen again.
> I can personally guarantee that that isn't the only mailer/reader your
> computer will run. Or I will shit in my hat and wear it backwards for a
> month. (If your school/job/ISP has made a decision not to allow to use
> anything better, it doesn't mean your computer can't do it).
well , it WILL run other readers, but they won't fit. I have a Cyrix P200+
w/80 MB RAM, and I had a 425 MB HD with 100 free MB, until lightning hit.
Now I'm stuck with a 100MB drive with 5MB free. MS-mail came with IE3.2,
which was already on the 100MB drive, along with Win '95. I normally use
Outlook Express, with IE4.0, but they just won't fit on this drive :-(
> Some 70 text lines for a 4 word response, that was already commented on
> in this thread.
> Now don't you think that's a little much !
> Larry (in indignant mode)
Well, I guess it's better than whoever used 0 text lines for a 0 line
response. At least with the 70 lines, you know what they're talking about.
With 0 text lines, and no response, your guess is as good as mine for what
they meant :-)
If anyone has that driver could they send it to me, too? I have a Tandy
1000TL 286 XT w/768K RAM, and no way to access it. Maybe the driver will
work in it, too. Maybe it won't - but it's worth a shot :-)
> From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: EMS/XMS memory driver needed
> Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:21 PM
> Someone I know has just acquired a motherboard, XT type aftermarket,
> with 768k onboard ram. I'm fairly sure the system is going to need a
> special driver to access the memory over DOS's 640k. Anyone have such an
> animal and can attach it to email or know of a commercial program that
> will handle the job?
> Russ Blakeman
> RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144
> Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
> Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com
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> ICQ UIN #1714857
> AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN"
> * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers*
> '*' and '#' have no pulse analogues. However, in the states at least, the
> equivalent to dialing a dial access code preceded by a star or pound is
> generally achieved by rotary dialing '11' before the code (ie. *69 would
> be 1169).
Fortunately in the UK there are no requirements yet (afaik) for * and #
on the public networks. On the private exchange at work, 11=*, 12=#,
13=** and 14=##, at the beginnings of numbers only, but I don't know
whether it still works.
BTW, in the UK # is _never_ called "pound". "Hash" is the most usual
name, followed by "gate" and "hatch". "Pound" means a script L with a
couple of horizontal bars through it :-)
> As for trying to communicate with auto-attendants, you'll probably have to
> add external buttons to your rotary phone to give you the capability of
> dialing '*' and '#'.
That's what I was afraid of. Although a neater hack still would be a
modified dial that did 11 pulses for * and 12 for #. Mechanically
possible, but I wouldn't want to try and modify the old dial.
There is a blanked-off hole in most type 746 phones that can accommodate
1 or 2 buttons, and I was thinking of putting # and * there, but this is
more usually used for a "recall" button.
Incidentally, does anyone know why "timed break" recall buttons are
replacing local earth ones? And how long is the break?
> While a pulse-to-DTMF converter is a neat hack (and these sort of
> converters were installed in some step-by-step exchanges in the US, at
> least there were in my local exchange when we were step-by-step, but come
> to think of it I don't know why, unless they were converting my pulse
> dialed digits to DTMF so that some other adjunct piece of equipment such
> as a Dialed Number Recorder could know what digits I was dialing, for
> purposes of surveillance ;) it'd be easier to just buy a cheap DTMF phone.
Sam, you should be ashamed of yourself. The object of the exercise was
not to get a DTMF phone, but to get one with a _rotary dial_. I already
have a DTMF phone, and I am interested in thes project _purely_ for hack
Slightly less far off topic, does anyone know the reason for the
divergence in layout between phone keypads and computer ones, i.e.
456 vs. 456 ?
Which came first?
Anyone care to be a good samaritan?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:50:31 -0700
From: Lisa Galbreath <lisag(a)cnet.com>
To: listfoundation community <cnewmark-com-i(a)steam.ionix.net>
Reply-To: Lisa Galbreath <lisag(a)cnet.com>
Subject: (community) Digital Historian / Wizard Needed
(community) My grandfather has 20 years of his life's work stored on a 1982
Pitney Bowes Word Processor 6000 and the whole thing has gone kaput. It
used those large double sided, double density diskettes (also copyright
1982). All I have is the reorder number on these diskettes: 169501. I need
to get the stuff on paper someohow so I can scan it all into the new PC I'm
getting him (unless it can be downloaded onto disk?). If you can tackle
this one, the machine is yours.
Lisa Galbreath, Corporate Services Manager
CNET: The Computer Network
150 Chestnut Street, San Francisco, CA 94111
(415) 395-7805 x1277 fax: (415) 623-2458
The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire.
WebSite Content Development
Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies.
The other day I was mucking around in the room I store most (some,
according to my girlfriend 8^) of my collection, and all of a sudden one of
the shelves holding a bunch of Toshibas, collapsed. Luckily, I was there
and was able to keep them from crashing to the floor, but still...
Upon closer inspection, it looks like the shelf with (some of) the GRiD's
is about ready to go as well. These are those metal shelves you get at
Target for $8 on sale.
So, I guess my question is, how to others store their collection? Keep in
mind that I'm in San Francisco, and that Earthquakes are an issue. Thanks!
Oh, and latest finds: another Panasonic Senior Partner (I really need the
specs on these if ya got 'em!) and one of those HP ThinkJets which I'm
actually gonna hook up to my Dad's computer (as soon as I figure out where
all those printer cables I use to have are!)
Most interesting was a Cable Demodulator. Yep, not a MOdulator/DEModulator
(MODEM), but just a Demodulator. Apparently, TCI at one time sent out a
free signal on the cable that could be read by anyone with a PC and one of
these boxes. So, anyone know if they still do that, and what software one
I also picked up a Mobidem, sans cable, of course, which appears to be a
radio modem made by Ericsson. If anyone has any info on this....
Last but not least, a Datasonix Pereos tape drive. It's a little unit not
much bigger than a microcassette that is supposed to be able to back up a
GB on a single cartridge. Unfortunately, I got no tapes with it, and the
only source I've found so far (www.datasonix.com) is pretty pricey
considering I don't know if it works. Anyone know of a cheaper source for
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
Reminds me of a trick Penn Jillette (of the magician duo Penn & Teller)
thought somebody (somebody other than *him*) should try on their laptops
next time they pass through an airport:
(Note: This may well be a federal crime, and I don't recommend it. It's
also a bad idea to call and wave to friends in airports ("Hi, Jack!") and
to disparage the in-flight movie ("'My Best Friend's Wedding?' What a
Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> on 07/22/98 08:20:58 PM
Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
cc: (bcc: Bill Sheehan/Corporate/SWEC)
Subject: Re: Compaq
On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
> As I mentioned once before, I once carried a VR201, by its handle, on a
> train. Now, in that orientation, it looks a little like a bomb or land
> mine, so I stuck a little label on each side with 'Danger Implosives' on
> it, in red pen. Got some _very_ odd looks :-).
Haha. That's a ballsy act. I wonder what would happen to you if you
tried that today.
Ok, now grow your beard out a little and try it in Arab head-dress.
Sam Alternate e-mail:
September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2
See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
[Last web page update: 07/21/98]
Okay, I've now given up hope that those old modems will ever be
at all useful or interesting to me. So they're up for grabs,
for the cost of postage.
There are two BellSouth 212A's, and two similar modems by Penril.
None respond to the Hayes "AT" command set, and each has a handful
of pushbutton switches on the front, as per my previous post.
Power supplies are all internal; they each have an ordinary 120v
line cord. The consensus seems to be that they need some associated
equipment to do the dialing. Because of this, I have no idea if
they work or not. They are each maybe 1' x 1' x 2", but not very
heavy. (That size is an estimate from memory, and might be off by
I doubt they are useful in any modern setup, but they might be
regarded as classics. If nobody here wants them, they return to
the dumpster from which they came. My apartment now has negative
space available, if you know what I mean.
Similarly, I've got a Sytek 2532 Packet Communications Unit, with
about half a dozen boards in it. This is a rack-mount beastie, and
weighs like it, so it could be expensive to ship. Still, if you
want it, or any of the boards from it, let me know. Like the modems,
I have no way to test it, and no idea whether or not it works. But
I'd be thrilled to get it out of the trunk of my car. :-)
And maybe this is a good time to mention my "for trade" web page,
containing a list of compu-junk that needs a good home. It is at
this URL: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/fortrade.html