test-drb October 1998

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by franke＠sbs.de

> Does Stephen own a Dauphin? I don't think they're quite old enough > for the "classic" definition. Dauphin ? You're not talkin about the Dolphin ? A kit system from the late 70's from Swizzerland ? Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

25 years, 9 months

Haggle Online (Was: ePay)

by franke＠sbs.de

>> Jep. If not eBay, maybe another system will pick up the idea. >> This could maybe give em the right difference for competition. > I wish it were this simple. eBay already has the reputation among > "collectors" (I use that term to include the speculators and idiots as > well) as being THE place to go to sell and buy vintage computers. I'd > much rather this place be Haggle Online since that site has a specific > "Antique Computers" listing (http://www.haggle.com/cache/cat43.html). > Someone has to come along and actively market their site as THE place to > buy/sell vintage computers, and then institute a good auction policy that > will cut down on the gripes we are hearing here. I don't think that 'marketing' is the most needed. It needs some different details to get more attention. The Antique Computer colume is one step - also keeping the theme (dash out OT). But there is still this anoying min bid thing and the sniper possibility (althrough I haven't seen any special Haggle sniping SW until now). Why I'm aginst min bids ? Now, first it prevents from giving a bin in an amount I think is reasonable. Second, thru canceling this maybe very low bid, it avoids any bidding competition wich eventualy will rise the price above ana limit. For an example there is an actual SX-64 on Haggle with an min bid of 75 USD and no bid from any of the more than 30 visitors. When comparing to eBay, where SXes are sold for something like 70 to 120 USD the price idea isn't wrong, but nobody jumps in. While on eBay such a SX starts at some 10 USD and rises. In fact, until now the minbid has disatracted me from at least 5 items. I maybe would have end at a price above the min bid, within the auction, but for shure to expensive to start with. The reserved price thing, where the seller reserves the richt to refuses if a specific price isn't reached is a lot more usefull. No seller will claim his reserved price if the auction ends just 5 USD below, but at least a price is negotiated. The only thing I dislike is the automatic lift to the reserve, if the _maximum_ bid is above. > I'm ready to start if someone is willing to follow my lead. Oh master, be my leader (Or was it Heil Salaam?). SCNR. For real, I look at Haggle Online at least twice a week, but as long as I cant't go for what I need, I have still to stay at eBay. Gruss Hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

25 years, 9 months

ePay

by franke＠sbs.de

> Rather than looking at sniping as a "bug", perhaps it should be > considered a "feature". There are scavengers in all ecosystems. I > guarantee you the powers at Ebay probably consider sniping to be an > asset. If they got rid of it, bid traffic would be 20 or 30% lower and > prices overall (complete total) might actually be lower. Perhaps sniping > is one of those key reasons why Ebay has grown so large. Please ? The whole idea of sniping is just to avoide a real competition situation. In fact, it may lower the price of all 'needed' goods, because nobody will get a chance to top the sniper. So a final price might have been higher. And bid traffic isn't a thing a auction system like eBay need - Traffic is just cost to pay and lowers profit. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

25 years, 9 months

Microvaxen bits etc.

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>DDA? Ok, thanks. Appreciated. The DDA Trader is a monthly publication for used DEC dealers listing what parts they have and prices. I can't afford the approx.$100 per month but have some friends that send me their 1 or 2 month old ones. It also has about a 75 page section listing all the subscribers names and locations (30+ per page) sorted alphabetically by name of course not location. Let me know if you can't find something (I noticed a good response later in this tread) and I will see what I can find. Dan Burrows dburrows(a)netpath.net

25 years, 9 months

Dumpster Diving was Re: Washington DC area vintage sources (was RE:ebay)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

you might want to ask the regulars over in alt.dumpster about this. seems some of them on that ng have gotten hassled by The Man when they were dd'ing and even charged with criminal mischief depending on the cop's mood. david In a message dated 10/27/98 7:41:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > I know a couple of guys that dumpster dive nearly every night. The > police have pulled them over numerous times. They usually check them and > their stuff then let them go. Sometimes they tell them to leave but that's > all. They've never been taken in or arrested. FWIW There was a court case > (supreme court?) some years ago that involved the police searching trash > cans for evidence. The court ruled that stuff thrown into the trash and and > placed on the public right of way (street) for pickup was publicly > available and no longer private property. Of course, many commercial trash > dumpsters are still located on company property so this may have no bearing.

25 years, 9 months

Fairchild Channel F

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Hi all, It's been claimed.... Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon/ -----Original Message----- From: Francois <fauradon(a)pclink.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 5:46 PM Subject: Fairchild Channel F >Hi, >I finally got around to going to the thrift store and picked up that Channel >F. >It cost me $10 and has Carts number 12 Baseball and 16 Dodge it. >Whoever wanted it please respond to fauradon(a)pclink.com > > >Francois >------------------------------------------------------------- >Visit the desperately in need of update >Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon/ >

25 years, 9 months

Now quite OT: Re: ePay

by franke＠sbs.de

>> I would prefere the last one, because it would reflect the >> idea of proxy bidding - bid once and let the eBay do its job. > I personally *hate* the proxy bid idea. At least how it works on eBay. > There's not many things as demoralizing than seeing something nifty with a > bid of $2.00 on it and someone has put a maximum bid of $50.00 on it. The > whole fun of an incremental auction is the small jumps in bidding and that > soul-searching question you have to ask yourself each time you're outbid: > "Do I really want to go a buck higher on that [insert item here]?" Shure, real auctions are real fun, but a proxy auction is the closest thing possible without going for a sealed bid auction, since it combines both for the well of the buyer. > What I'd love to see is a live auction site, where the auctions for each > item don't last more than 10 minutes or so. Descriptions/pictures for the > items could be on a separate server a week in advance (like the preview > for a real auction) and an item catalog that people could print out. Just for my information - are you willing to put up an pay my private line to this auction centre ? At the usual afternoon to midnight traffic jam on the trans atlantic conections, I sometines need four or five minutes to reload an eBay page. Gruss H. Kai mentioned Haggle online (I still laugh at the lit'l characters:), but as long as they still only do the same (including suporting this stupid minimum bid thing - where is the sense of a min bid beside avoide getting sold?) as eBay, I belive they woun't go for number one. Just putting up a good category isn't enough (even if he would enshure that less noise is inside Antique Computers). -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

25 years, 9 months

ebay

by david_a._vandenbroucke＠hud.gov

Stephen Dauphin >There was a recent discussion on the list of being dropped on a desert island and >establishing civilization. I say we parachute Sam in his underpants with a knife and a >compass into some podunk in the Midwest, and see how fast he comes up with a Vintage >Computer Festival, even the size of the first, from scratch. Podunk Junction happens to be in central Iowa. I could steer Sam to someone I know near there who has two Kaypro 10s and a Kaypro letter quality printer, which will get him started. Does Stephen own a Dauphin? I don't think they're quite old enough for the "classic" definition. --Dav david_a._vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov

25 years, 9 months

floppy drive storage

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Hi, Have you ever seen those shipping cardboard floppy mockup that you usually get with a new drive? That would be the ideal. Short of that you could probably make your own with rigid but non-abrasive carboard, use a floppy as a template and off you go... Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon/ -----Original Message----- From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com <SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 9:15 PM Subject: floppy drive storage >I have about 27 apple floppy drives as well as other floppy based machines and >am wondering about their long term storage. is it better to close the drive's >latch or leave it unlatched? i would think that having the drive latched/door >closed would keep the drive from possibly getting misaligned if it got moved >or bumped around but on the other hand, having the drive closed for long >periods of time could possibly deform the head load pad. comments? > >david >

25 years, 9 months

I hit the jackpot - if I can store the stuff

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I'd be happy to store the 8/e for you, you could visit it any time you >were in California! Yeah, right... :-) Thanks for the offer... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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test-drb October 1998