No, the most off-topic thread is 'why dogs lick their balls/Linux',
which culminated in the venerable 'irreverence to irrelevance'
flamewar to a couple of weeks later.
>Some cheese is good hard, but not those that are supposed to be soft.
>
>Could this be leading to the most off-topic thread this list has ever
>seen?
>
>> eBay is different - a real auctioneer always gives the same
>> amount of additional time after teh last Bid - ePay just cuts.
>
>Not always, especially if there are a great deal of lots. I think Ebay
is
>half way between an open and sealed auction.
>
>William Donzelli
>william(a)ans.net
>
>
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Recently acquired a Sony SMC-70 (Z-80 based CP/M). At least I
think that what it is (was on the bike so I couldn't bring it home
today). It is just the unit itself, no docs and _no_ cables. So in
general any info about this system would be great. Specifically, I
need pinouts for the video (has both db25 B/W and color
connectors). Or better yet the actual cable(s) themselves.
TIA
George
P.S. I still have a decwriter III that anyone can have if you come
pick it up.
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Subject: Re: ebay
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 10/26/98 3:54 PM
On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Hans Franke wrote:
> > 1. Bid more than anybody else through proxy bidding. This way when
> > somebody else bids, the system will bid you up (to your max)
automatically
> > when someone else bids. If you want it bad enough, you can get it,
but
> > it may cost you.
>
> Jep, but to be shure, it has to be high, real high :(
As high as $12,000? Only to have someone bid $12,100?
> > 2. Learn the fine art of sniping. I live with a longtime e-bay user (my
wife)
> > who has the distinction of a 0 second snipe - it came in and was
recognised
> > some fraction of a second before the auction closed. She did it
manually
> > too. :) There IS sniping software, apparently, too.
>
> Just a NO. Maybe I'm stupid and old fashionated,
> but sniping is just not possible.
I stopped using eBay simply for this reason. The format makes it
impossible to carry on a fair bid process and weed out the weenies.
> > 3. My wife assures me that EVERYTHING comes around again, btw.
Especially
> > computers. She suggests patience.
>
> Jep, but this lot was real neat.
> (And the next will be the one with the SC/MPs .. sigh).
> I don't know if this will be around again, so nicly bundled
>>If you look hard enough, you can ALWAYS find something around you,
>>cheaper, and it won't cost you shipping. This is of course more true
>>for some people than others (like a poor slob in Alaska trying to
>>collect computers) but I've learned this lesson many times. Everything
>>I've ever bought off eBay has turned up locally for a fraction of the
>>price. Sometimes only a week later.
Aren't you located in 'Silicon Valley?' You are located in an unusally
fertile area for the old computer devotee. I live in the Washington,
D.C. metro area which isn't bad but must pale in comparison to your
locale. *sniff* **sob** Marty
An alternate to eBay is needed.
Sellam Alternate e-mail:
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> 1. Bid more than anybody else through proxy bidding. This way when
> somebody else bids, the system will bid you up (to your max) automatically
> when someone else bids. If you want it bad enough, you can get it, but
> it may cost you.
Jep, but to be shure, it has to be high, real high :(
> 2. Learn the fine art of sniping. I live with a longtime e-bay user (my wife)
> who has the distinction of a 0 second snipe - it came in and was recognised
> some fraction of a second before the auction closed. She did it manually
> too. :) There IS sniping software, apparently, too.
Just a NO. Maybe I'm stupid and old fashionated,
but sniping is just not possible.
> 3. My wife assures me that EVERYTHING comes around again, btw. Especially
> computers. She suggests patience.
Jep, but this lot was real neat.
(And the next will be the one with the SC/MPs .. sigh).
I don't know if this will be around again, so nicly bundled
> 4. Finally, to avoid heartache from being sniped, don't assume you have
> a thing until you get the notification you won. Until you get that,
> the thing isn't yours.
Sag but true.
Ciao
hans
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
>Anyone know anything about the famous AY-3500 chip, manufactured by
>General Instruments, heart of a zillion Pong clones?
What do you want to know?
For pinouts and examples of use, you would find construction articles in
then mid-late 70's issues of _Radio-Electronics_ and _Popular
Electronics_ quite useful.
Tim.
> I'd
> much rather this place be Haggle Online since that site has a specific
> "Antique Computers" listing (http://www.haggle.com/cache/cat43.html).
Since Haggle is actually owned by a member of this list, I wonder if we get
to see all of the _really_ good stuff :)
Kai
>examples of this. The AY-3-8500 was developed in the Scottish labs of
>General Instruments in 1975. Magnavox was somewhat involved in the
It's not nearly the same as the AY-3-8500, but I just dug up my copy
of _How To Design & Build Your Own Custom TV Games_ by David
L Heiserman (1978). He describes systems based around TTL and
linear IC's, some of them rather involved (over 100 SSI/MSI
packages, in some cases!)
Of course, there are no microprocessors involved... :-)
Tim.
>> I could imagine two possible ways - first add 1 hour after every
>> (successful) bid. Or, second just state the ending day and put
>> the ending time on a random moment.
>> I would prefere the last one, because it would reflect the
>> idea of proxy bidding - bid once and let the eBay do its job.
> Ooh, I like that second idea!
> For a long time, I've been advocating the first idea (automatic extension),
> but it does have some drawbacks:
> - Still requires that e-mail to the person outbid be faster than
> the time remaining in the auction (a big problem now).
> - Potential for the "never-ending auction".
> - Offerer requirements that an auction *must* end by a certain time.
Jep. If not eBay, maybe another system will pick up the idea.
This could maybe give em the right difference for competition.
The whole computer bidding idea is to save nerves.
> As you can tell, I've bee sniped too.
This is the first time I realy likes a thing so much, that
I had put up a real high bid - and every thing seamed to
work out well :(
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
< I know that towards the end of the Model I production run most of my fri
< interested in buying were totally avoiding the basic 4k units. They end
< up with level II machines and never saw the unit before modification. I
< would be kinduv interesting to know if these units were built as level I
< machines or modified at the factory, or at the store.
By late '79 the LII machines were the rule. Lower cost of rams and roms
plus competitive drive. Also most were factory LII using the two chip
LII roms or leftover three chip version.
Allison
um... it dosen't work.
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> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: BOFH
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:23 AM
>
> For sysadmins and everyone with a perverted sense of humor, you might
enjoy
> this site. A friend of mine turned me onto it a year or so ago, and
almost
> always puts a smile on my face! The URL is
> http://www.networkweek.com/bofh.shtml.
