Agreed.
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> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Noise levels increasing and have become deafening
> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:09 PM
>
>
At 11:57 AM 10/26/98 -0700, you wrote:
>4. Finally, to avoid heartache from being sniped, don't assume you have
> a thing until you get the notification you won. Until you get that,
> the thing isn't yours.
I once bid on an item and saw the "auction has closed" screen. Then, ebay
decided that because a problem came up shortly after the auction closed,
they would reset all the auctions (even the ones not affected) to close one
day later. Imagine my surprise when I checked MyEbay and saw the auction
was open again!
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Hi Group:
I have an old 11/23 with an H7861 power supply. It's a Q bus box. The
cabinet kit is missing. There is a ten wire ribbon cable from the power
supply. I am looking for the pinout of this ribbon cable, so that I can
make my own panel. The leads likely carry DC OK, Halt, Restart, and so on.
Anybody have the info on this?
Thanks in advance,
Kevin
-- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca
Chuck McManis said speaking of EBAY:
>It sounds like this is a "bad" thing. Is it? If so why?
----- START RANT -----------------
Yes, it a Baaad thing. I was very happy when my computers were "worthless"
(to everyone else), thank you very much for asking.
1) Computers are appearing everywhere. I don't have to look so hard
any more. As a result I don't yell "Yipee" as loud any more, especially
when I realize what it's going to cost me.
2) A good portion of the discussions on this list are about what some
machine is
worth. A hobby that allows a person to gain complex knowledge of
so many aspects of their machines and it history has been reducted
to the level of baseball trading cards and "beanies". I would
rather hear about how someone just got a machine running for the
first time in 15 years.
3) I see a "Low Tech" craze coming. People will be mounting S-100 boards
to hang on the wall. Just like the people that buy old magazines,
cut them up to frame the old advertisements. By piecing out a computer
they make alot of money, and someone has a piece of Americana to
decorate their den, but it's taking technology out of context.
This will come when the prices "crash". Imagine you need a S-100 disk
controller. You find one,it costs a fortune and you need to chip it
out of a block of Lucite, because someone made it into a paper weight.
4) I don't care for the way it makes people react. The following is from
the CP/M list last weekend:
>About a week or so I let loose that I had a few IMSAI chassis available.
>This resulted in a deluge of mailings. I was rather amazed at this - that
>anyone would want them at all.
>I offered them for free (postage) and still am doing so. A couple of
takers
>have been identified.
>What I cannot abide is a few that got real abusive. I was offering
something
>for nothing, yet a few insisted on demanding they get the equipment. I
>received some nasty insinuations and threats. This I will not
tolerate and
>each party has been told so personally.
>I wish to reiterate here that I am appalled at the behavior of these
few. It
>was fortunate that the majority had better manners. I nearly tossed the
>whole batch in the garbage.
>Excuse the venting - Sorry about the whole mess
>Rich Raspenti
5) "Beanies" are made to be collectible. They don't have a story to tell.
They don't have a functionality that is greater than the sum of their
parts. You don't play with them. You just display them.
And that is the biggest problem. When a treasured possession becames too
valuable to use for fear of damaging it, that defeats MY purpose for
collecting computers.
- the not so oldtimer
----- END RANT -------------------------
> It would seem that
>eBay is making a market for older computers that before didn't exist. Now
>is it that the 'old timers' who were used to picking up C64's at a garage
>sale for $1 will now have to pay $25 are grumbling? Doesn't this
>potentially increase the value of your own collection many fold? Isn't that
>a good thing?
> Traditionally there is a rush of "collectible fever" (if
>you've ever dealt with collectibles, and my Dad has for many more years
>than I) where lots of people rush in an buy anything that may be
>collectible hoping to get in at the bottom of the next "beanie" craze, then
>there is a rush of junk dealers who prey on those bozos and come in and
>sell them a bunch of "L@@K! R@RE!" Commodore 64's or 486SL machines for
>over market prices, and then there is a general "crash" of the market as
>the bozo's leave and prices go back to more rational levels (but usually
>higher than they were before the "collectible" craze hit) and then, if they
>are truely collectable (and there are many properties of things that make
>them so) then the price begins to reflect actual rarity, condition, and
>that imponderable "desirability."
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Doug Coward
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Christopher Finney <aaron(a)wfi-inc.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 28 October 1998 12:53
Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc.
>On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Computer Room Internet Cafe wrote:
>
>> I'm really gonna have to find a pinout for the AUI connectors. And how
to
>> connect them.
>
>Pin Function
>----------------
<snip>
That ought to do it, thanks very much!
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Marks College
Port Pirie South Australia.
My ICQ# is 1970476
Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile)
61-8-8633-0619 (Home)
61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct)
61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)
Speaking of which, I have a complete Model II in storage; anyone
interested?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arfon Gryffydd [SMTP:ArfonRG@DIEspammerSCUM.Texas.Net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 9:04 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: TRS-80 Model II stuff!
>
> Okay,
> For anyone interested (Larry).... I am going home (to Virginia) for
> thanksgiving and I will pull out one of my model IIs and get all of the
> still useable software and manuals. I will make copies available to
> anyone who wants if someone can tell me how to copy the 8" discs to a file
> on a PC (either using Linux or Dos).
>
> I can serial port the machines togethet but, I have no idea how to
> read
> off all the sectors of the 8 inches.
>
> Arfon
>
> "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
> bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
> bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook
> With a few of my Linux
>tools, I may even be able to make images on modern media, though I'm
>unclear as to how to translate 77-track x 34 (256byte) sector media
>to 80-track x 18 (512byte) sector media. I know it will fit fine --
>whether it can be used directly if an adapter is made to connect the
>new drives to the old hardware I don't know
Again, this is well discussed in Q16 ("Can I use the newer floppy
drives on my old machine?") of the CP/M FAQ. See
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/CPM-faq/faq.html
>-- and track 0 was single
>density IIRC, the boot ROM might be sticky.
And there are several
tools - most notably Teledisk - which can handle split-density
floppies.
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917
7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817
> What kind of places? Places that dark and dirty. Places with
>junk arranged in piles. Places with vacuum tube equipment.
>(I would love to find an example of a vacuum tube analog computer)
Be sure to hit C&H Surplus on Colorado Blvd in Pasadena, All
Electronics in Van Nuys, and APEX in San Fernando if you head
through Southern California.
>Places you won't want your kids to play in.
There are parts of APEX that you need a hard-hat to enter :-).
Tim.
I can GIVE you a copy of 3.2 for free. Just send me an email (personal),
-Jason
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> From: Gene Ehrich <gene(a)ehrich.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: DOS disks?
> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 4:01 PM
>
> At 01:56 PM 10/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
> > Any PC (IBM) or MS-DOS as far as I know, although I'd try MS-DOS 3.2
> > or 3.3....
>
> If you cant find it for free any place.
>
> I have 3.3 for sale on my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~generic
>
> Gene
>
> Gene Ehrich
The voltages of the wires going from PSU to the motherboard.
>
>::Well, it's been about two months, and I still haven't started on the
>::C128D that Hans gave me (sorry, Hans!). Could someone please post
>::the PSU pinouts for it (this is the one with an internal PSU)?
>
>PSU pinouts? How do you mean, exactly? My DCR has an integrated power
supply
>(later model 128D, metallic case, single board; the D series have a two
>board setup, one for the 1571 and the other for the system, plastic
case).
>
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