20 Apr
2004
20 Apr
'04
6:11 p.m.
There's a pdp-8/e & TU56 on ebay... seller is starting bids at $1999.95 (!)
Some funny bidding... there WERE two bids, one from Al Kossow, but both now
cancelled due to 'entered wrong bid amount'...
http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3091261329
Not sure I like the smell of that...
Mike
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20 Apr
20 Apr
6:27 p.m.
There's a pdp-8/e & TU56 on ebay... seller is
starting bids at $1999.95
(!)
Some funny bidding... there WERE two bids, one from Al Kossow, but both
now
cancelled due to 'entered wrong bid
amount'...
http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3091261329
Not sure I like the smell of that...
$3,200 Buy It Now MicroVAX 3100 model 96:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1479&item=30…
rd=1
I am thinking about buying it. What do you think? ;)
6:48 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
Well, there are worse auctions. I saw this auction and damn near wanted
to weep:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4125609808
It didn't help that about half of this was from "1970s lab equipment and
Minicomputers (mainly DEC boards)", and I'm still looking for a restorable
PDP-12... <cringe>
I wrote him a nice letter saying there was a market for some of this
stuff, and telling him what I was looking for in particular, in hopes that
knowing collectors exist might help many of us in the long run. No answer
back yet, though.
Aiya! :/
-O.-
6:57 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
poor DEC boards.
--- "O. Sharp" <ohh(a)drizzle.com> wrote:
Well, there are worse auctions. I saw this auction
and damn near wanted
to weep:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4125609808
It didn't help that about half of this was from
"1970s lab equipment and
Minicomputers (mainly DEC boards)", and I'm still
looking for a restorable
PDP-12... <cringe>
I wrote him a nice letter saying there was a market
for some of this
stuff, and telling him what I was looking for in
particular, in hopes that
knowing collectors exist might help many of us in
the long run. No answer
back yet, though.
Aiya! :/
-O.-
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7:08 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
That is *SICK*. I wonder who did the mutilation, if this man did it........
must. repress. rage...
---
Thanks,
Torquil MacCorkle, III
Lexington, Virginia
7:30 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
Torquil MacCorkle, III wrote:
That is *SICK*. I wonder who did the mutilation, if this man did it........
must. repress. rage...
---
Thanks,
Torquil MacCorkle, III
Lexington, Virginia
One thing to remember is that sometimes for equipment to meet the
definition of scrapped, it has to be irrepairably damaged. For
instance, IBM has a strict rule that boards that are scrapped for tax
purposes have to be shredded. And when I've been in Austin Electronics,
I've run across boards that have connectors cut off so they can't be
used for their original purpose (tin connectors, so I know no one was
going for the gold).
While I don't support that kind of mutilation of historically
interesting equipment, do you think it could be such a situation?
--jc
7:42 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
One thing to remember is that sometimes for
equipment to meet the
definition of scrapped, it has to be irrepairably damaged. For
instance, IBM has a strict rule that boards that are scrapped for tax
purposes have to be shredded.
USR used to drill holes in the boards at random places.
While I don't support that kind of mutilation
of historically
interesting equipment, do you think it could be such a situation?
Probably just a guy that just had a bunch of boards in the garage, or
maybe a scrapper that one of us pissed off.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
21 Apr
21 Apr
5:34 a.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
At 12:42 AM 4/21/04 -0400, you wrote:
One of my more "interesting" experiences was with a Hewlett Packard HP-IB
hard disk drive. I bought it surplus and a quick inspection didn't reveal
anything unusual. Then it powered it up and the drive started making a
clanging sound that quickly changed to something that sounded like a
clothes dryer running full sped with a load of scrap meal in it! I turned
it off and inspected it but didn't see anything unusual until I removed the
actual hard drive AND turned it upside down. Someone had drilled a 1/4"
hole through the cover of the drive and all the platters. Needless to say,
the chips and burrs on the platter quickly crashed the heads and ripped
them to shreds and it became a sort of hispeed blender after that! If you
know anything about Hewlett Packards's external HP-IB drives, you know that
someone went to a LOT of trouble to get it apart, remove the drive and
drill a hole in and put everything back together exactly the way that it
was supposed to be.
Joe
One thing
to remember is that sometimes for equipment to meet the
definition of scrapped, it has to be irrepairably damaged. For
instance, IBM has a strict rule that boards that are scrapped for tax
purposes have to be shredded.
USR used to drill holes in the boards at random places. 
1:23 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
them to shreds and it became a sort of hispeed blender
after that! If you
know anything about Hewlett Packards's external HP-IB drives, you know that
Which ones? I've taken 9133Hs apart, and they seem very modular. Removing
the hard drive and putting it back takes a few minutes (IIRC this can be
done without removing antthing else other than the top cover).
-tony
2:27 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
At 11:23 PM 4/21/04 +0100, you wrote:
I don't remreber the model number but you had to remove the cover then
remove the logic baord then remove the drive. IIRC it was a 79 something
something drive.
Joe
them to shreds
and it became a sort of hispeed blender after that! If you
know anything about Hewlett Packards's external HP-IB drives, you know that
Which ones? I've taken 9133Hs apart, and they seem very modular. Removing
the hard drive and putting it back takes a few minutes (IIRC this can be
done without removing antthing else other than the top cover).
5:24 a.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
At 12:30 AM 4/21/04 -0400, you wrote:
Torquil MacCorkle, III wrote:
That's true. Some government agencies require that "items be destroyed
beyond it's intended usage". To some surplus managers that means that it
has to be shredded but others they simply take the systems apart and sell
the units individually.
Joe
For
That is *SICK*. I wonder who did the mutilation, if this man did it........
must. repress. rage...
---
Thanks,
Torquil MacCorkle, III
Lexington, Virginia
One thing to remember is that sometimes for equipment to meet the
definition of scrapped, it has to be irrepairably damaged. instance, IBM has a strict rule that boards that are
scrapped for tax
purposes have to be shredded. And when I've been in Austin Electronics,
I've run across boards that have connectors cut off so they can't be
used for their original purpose (tin connectors, so I know no one was
going for the gold).
While I don't support that kind of mutilation of historically
interesting equipment, do you think it could be such a situation?
--jc
2:35 a.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
And thusly Torquil MacCorkle, III spake:
O.. MY.. GOD!! 8-O
That is *SICK*. I wonder who did the mutilation, if this man did it........
must. repress. rage...
I think the person who did this is a good candidate to be dipped in
molten iron.
Cheers,
Bryan
20 Apr
20 Apr
7:21 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, O. Sharp wrote:
Well, there are worse auctions. I saw this auction and
damn near wanted
to weep:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4125609808
What kind of deleterious ass would auction off gold edge connectors on
eBay?
Are people really this fucking stupid?
The above question is rhetorical. I already know the answer is a
stentorian YES.
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7:38 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
What kind of deleterious ass would auction off gold
edge connectors on
eBay?
There is a small but growing scrap market on Ebay. Eventually it will get
its own category, I suppose.
They might actually sell at that price (although it seems a bit high) -
the Chinese are back in the scrap game full force, and many will pay
seemingly incredible amounts for gold bearing scrap.
So basically, live with it.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
7:45 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, William Donzelli wrote:
Great. There goes the whole concept of "scrap value".
Live with it he says. Ha-rumph.
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What kind of
deleterious ass would auction off gold edge connectors on
eBay?
There is a small but growing scrap market on Ebay. Eventually it will get
its own category, I suppose.
They might actually sell at that price (although it seems a bit high) -
the Chinese are back in the scrap game full force, and many will pay
seemingly incredible amounts for gold bearing scrap.
So basically, live with it. 
7:48 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, O. Sharp wrote:
I see people selling scrap gold on eBay all the time. When I was shopping for some
Pentium Pro chips for my server, there were people saying 'there is over $4 in scrap
gold in each of these' (mangled, and probably damaged Pentium Pro processors).
However, it's plain retarded and rude to list them in 'Vintage Computers'.
What at ALL does scrap/salvage have to do with vintage computers?
Well, there are worse auctions. I saw this
auction and damn near wanted
to weep:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4125609808
What kind of deleterious ass would auction off gold edge connectors on
eBay?
Are people really this fucking stupid?
8:02 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
However, it's plain retarded and rude to list them
in 'Vintage
Computers'. What at ALL does scrap/salvage have to do with vintage
computers?
Rude, yes. Which makes me think the seller may have placed it there for a
reason. I am not sure - I don't know the guy - but some cheapskate
computer collector could have lowballed this guy, and in retaliation, the
ruined boards appear on Ebay with an unwritten "see what happens?" note
pinned to them. The rule of thumb is to never piss off a scrapper.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
8:14 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:02:58 -0400 (EDT)
William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> wrote:
That's possible, but the starting bid on that listing means it has a pretty
stiff listing fee just to be an act of vengance.
However,
it's plain retarded and rude to list them in 'Vintage
Computers'. What at ALL does scrap/salvage have to do with vintage
computers?
Rude, yes. Which makes me think the seller may have placed it there for a
reason. I am not sure - I don't know the guy - but some cheapskate
computer collector could have lowballed this guy, and in retaliation, the
ruined boards appear on Ebay with an unwritten "see what happens?" note
pinned to them. The rule of thumb is to never piss off a scrapper.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
8:18 p.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
That's possible, but the starting bid on that
listing means it has a
pretty stiff listing fee just to be an act of vengance.
I know plenty of scrappers that would pay a few extra dollars for it...
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
21 Apr
21 Apr
6:29 a.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
Sounds like we need a scrap-FAQ.
What is the price of Gold, Palladium, Copper, Iron, etc.
Where is each found in circuitry?
What is the weight per square inch (pads), etc.
Then if you have to deal with scrappers, know your stuff
and deal with the information that they think with.
John A.
8:04 a.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
What is the price of Gold, Palladium, Copper, Iron,
etc.
Very tough question, as it become very involved. Also, the markets can
fluctuate so much - steel worth several cents a pound today was near
worthless six months back. Tantalum also swings greatly.
Where is each found in circuitry?
Gold is found all over the place. Obvious places are on gold chips
(duh!), edge fingers, connectors, and switches. Hidden gold is found in
the some circuit boards (under the ink and solder), inside crystals and
diodes, older style metal transistors, and even in many rather boring
looking chips.
Palladium and Rhoduim are found in Relays and a lot of IBM things.
Copper is everywhere - boards, coils, transformers, relays, motors, etc.
Silver is actually not much of an issue. A lot of wire wrap wire is silver
plated, but the scrappers really don't like this stuff - too little silver
to deal with, and it contaminates the copper. Even silver plated cavities
are a pain - the brass is worth more than the silver.
Tantalum is found in capacitors and in some tubes.
What is the weight per square inch (pads), etc.
I always thought this was handy:
http://www.mrsscrap.com/scrapvalue.html
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
5:20 a.m.
New subject: Ebay Heartbreak (was: ebay shenanigans)
At 09:21 PM 4/20/04 -0700, you wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, O. Sharp wrote:
The answer is yes but I've never seen any of them get ANY bids.
Joe
Well, there are worse auctions. I saw this
auction and damn near wanted
to weep:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4125609808
What kind of deleterious ass would auction off gold edge connectors on
eBay?
Are people really this fucking stupid?
The above question is rhetorical. I already know the answer is a
stentorian YES.
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Festival
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