On March 7, Frank McConnell wrote:
> 2640 (and maybe 2644, I can't remember) terminals have 8008s,
> 2641/2645/2648 terminals have 8080s (on different processor boards of
> course). An 8080 would likely be in a 40-pin DIP (Dual In-line
> Package, meaning two rows of pins). An 8008 would be in a smaller
> DIP but I can't remember how small off the top of my head.
It's an 18-pinner if I recall correctly.
-Dave McGuire
Don't feel bad about your inability to speak German after only a few years'
formal education. Nowadays, American students aren't even taught enough
about their own language, a version of English, that they can read a few
paragraphs and understand what it was about, nor can they write more than a
paragraph about a single subject, before the "stream of consciousnes" takes
over and all purpose is lost.
I have two boys in their first few years of "higher" education and, having
met some of the people now entrusted with passing along an "education" to
them and others, I find them sadly lacking. They speak badly, read little
and fail miserably to express themselves succinctly and coherently in
writing. Current generation textbooks are showing the decline of the spoken
language here.
Sadly, the average German 15-year old not only speaks better German than our
average 35-year-old speaks english, but he speaks better English than that
same 35-year-old. Fifteen years ago, the average American had sufficient
command of English that he routinely used on the order of a hundred words to
express himself. Today's average is closer to 35 words. No wonder nobody
knows what's being said!
If you're making an honest effort in Europe, people will put up with your
deificiencies. If you expect them to speak your language, you're in for a
hard time.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Christopher Finney <af-list(a)wfi-inc.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: VCF Europa Update
Christian,
It hasn't helped me. I took 5 years of college German and speak less than
the average German 2 year old. Honestly, it's humiliating, because I'm
still in the habit of telling people that I know some German...only to
stumble on the most basic words and sentence structure. I think it would
come back pretty quick, but I don't have the time (or energy) to study it
on my own, and very little opportunity to use it in a practical setting
(despite Hans' brave attempt to try to understand my gibberish).
I still have a large bookshelf full of German classics; someday, someday.
Aaron
> Servus Hans,
>
> I warned Sellam about this but he said he's willing to go ahead with it!
> ;-) The cat's out of the bag now! I know well what it's like to try to
> learn German and after about eight years of periodic, unofficial, random
> self-teaching I can just about speak short simple sentences. If German was
> still taught in the schools around here I would have attempted to get
> tutoring would be much better I think. If he does in fact come to
> understand spoken High German he'll get confused hearing the Bavarian
> tongue though. I know! ;-) Heh heh heh . . .
>
> Bis sp?ter, Chris
> -- --
> Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
> Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
> Member of Antique Wireless Association
> URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/
>
Hello all,
My electronics club recently became the proud owner of a PDP-11/45.
Unfortunately, it's not in the best of condition. One of the boards, an
M8108 (apparently a memory-managment module) is damaged. Well, actually, it
is split in two along the card fingers. After some careful inspection, I
have determined that it's probably not possible to repair.
Anyone know what will happen if I fire up the machine without this board?
We have no peripherals, so we're basically interested in toggling in code
and will be satisfied without an OS. If we exclude this card, do we need to
toss a NPG card into that spot?
Before anyone asks, no, we don't have the printsets. I think this machine
is second-second hand, so the previous owner (RPI) didn't have the prints
either. Much of what we know of this machine has been determined with a
continuity checker...
Michael Robinson
robinm(a)rpi.edu
RPI Electronics Club
I can't tell you much about this but I've had countless HP boards with part
numbers of 1820-something.
I went to the trouble of getting a cross-reference for IBM part numbers when
I was working on their stuff, (their numbers were 237-xxxx) but I've never
had enough HP stuff to warrant the effort.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Smith <ip500(a)roanoke.infi.net>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 6:39 PM
Subject: AMD 1820-1701
>Newbie question----got a bunch of boards from HP terminals [2640 and
>2645A's]
>that I thought had either 8008 or 8080A chips----boards are marked
>"processor" and the socketed processor chip is brown or white ceramic
>with a gold "lid"---only markings are 1820-1701 on one line and I assume
>a serial # on the next [7629P, 7707P, 78126GP, etc]--also has what looks
>to be the AMD logo---up to the right slanting "arrow" shape.
> Some of the identical looking boards do have 8008 or 8080A
>installed---What do I have here??
> Thanks, Craig
Tom Jennings has an Otrona Attache, "not 8:16, plain CP/M, in
great shape with one small exception, with manuals and lots
of software." He's got it on eBay now but there's no action
so far, so if it doesn't find a bidder he'll release it for
shipping and handling from Tucson, AZ. Contact him at <tomj(a)wps.com>.
- John
OK,
The M8108 is in *really* bad shape. As I said, it's split along the
card fingers, which means that just about every line going to the bus is
broken. It also has a few chips that have been shattered, both along the
break and elsewhere on the board. I, for one, don't have the skill to fix
it.
> >It is possible to run an 11/45 without the MMU, but in that case you need
> >a System Address Jumper (M8116 IIRC) that goes in place of one of the 2
> >MMU modules, the other MMU slot being empty.
>
> Mine has a printed label across the top of the box labelling the slots,
> which says, on the slot containing the M8107, "If KT11C option [i.e. the
> MMU] not present, use M8116 S J B in this slot."
Is the M8116 a simple jumper (a la grant continuity card)? I think that's
probably the best move to kludge one of those together, if it's simple
enough.
Memory management is not all that important to me.
> I have CPU and MMU prints only (no manuals or FPU prints) which I am very
> slowly scanning. Among the few fragments I have done so far is the M8108,
> so it would be easy for me to provide that to you if you think it might
> help.
Kevin, I'd be interested to see the M8108 fragments. If you have it,
I'd also be interested (probably moreso) in the M8116.
Thanks,
Michael
<> V7 doesn't run. More precisely, it boots and starts the kernel but it
<> immediately panics. I can't remember what the message was; it's a long
<> time since I tried it.
<>
<
<I've seen this too but I got it going (late) last night.
<I think it was with the E11 simulator and I set the
<CPU to "70" (or maybe 45). It boots to the "#" prompt.
<If you exit it starts timesharing. The root password is
<"root".
The username is root and the password is pdp.
Just booted mine on real hardware (11/73 system).
Allison
On Mar 6, 16:43, Kirk Davis wrote:
>
> > V7 doesn't run. More precisely, it boots and starts the kernel but it
> > immediately panics. I can't remember what the message was; it's a long
> > time since I tried it.
>
> I've seen this too but I got it going (late) last night.
> I think it was with the E11 simulator and I set the
> CPU to "70" (or maybe 45). It boots to the "#" prompt.
> If you exit it starts timesharing.
Thanks, Kirk -- I'll try that. As soon as I can get roud the back of the
11, anyway :-) Meanwhile I'll just keep it running on the 11/23.
> The root password is "root".
Mine's not one of the images from PUPS, so it's not the same :-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Hi all,
Per requests, and to satisfy my own curiosity, I've posted PDF files of
the RT-11 system reference manual alongside the tiff images. These contain
the images with the text underneath (i.e. you actually view scans of the
original manual but it's fully searchable). A little bigger than the
straigt tiff images, but it's nice to be able to execute a find...
I tried to do an OCR only version of it, which *looked* very nice. The
problem was that processing an old manual, on yellowing paper, well, it
wasn't too accurate when dealing with punctuation. Which kind of blew any
chance of a hands-free OCR, since it was turning colons into t's and so
on. After a few hours of hand-correcting through chapter 3, I gave up.
Any other suggestions are welcome, thanks to all the good feedback so
far...
Cheers,
Aaron
Oh yeah, it's available at www.retrobytes.org
I guess some people have problems adjusting to the idea that computers
have no problems whatsoever with lower case these days. ;-)
Found on Usenet. Reply directly to him if interested.
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