If anybody ever asked me what cars could be compared to classic computers,
this is what I'd pick out:
System: TI-99/4A
Car equivalent: DMC Delorean
Reason: It looks like a Delorean, & is about as flawed.
System: Original Apple Macintosh
Car equivalent: Any Saturn
Reason: Way back when, Apple wanted to make you think that you were the wise
consumer. Saturn does the same.
System: Altair 8800
Car equivalent: Ford Model "T"
Reason: If you can't figure this one out, hang up your mouse on the way out.
System: Commodore 64
Car equivalent: 1957 Chevy
Reason: Name anybody who didn't have one of these when they were out! (both
the car or the system, that is)
System: Apple ///
Car equivalent: Yugo
Reason: None required.
System: Apple Macintosh SE/30
Car equivalent: 1967 Ford Mustang GT
Reason: The computer could haul, & so could the car!
System: IBM PC Jr.
Car equivalent: Edsel
Reason: See "Apple ///"
System: Apple Macintosh II
Car equivalent: Mack Truck
Reason: Large computer, large truck, 'nuff said.
System: Commodore Amiga
Car equivalent: Any Lexus
Reason: The Amiga had featues found on computers costing much more, likewise
with its comparison.
System: Apple LISA
Car equivalent: Rolls Royce
Reason: Self-explanitory.
Got anything to add? I'd like to see what you guys can come up with?
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David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian.
Home page: http://www.geocities.com/netsurfer_x1/
Computer Collection:
"Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801.
"Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II.
"Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer.
"Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable.
"Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3.
"Boombox": Sharp PC-7000.
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> >> > I was aware that Toshiba was building facsimile machines in 1928
> >> > in Japan, but I didn't know the ability to send an image to a remote
> >> > location predated the deployment of electricity.
> >> >
> >> > -dq
>
> ;) In these days of the PC retrorevionist history of computers who knew?
>
> It's the comma splice, that did it! Because of how you constructed the
> sentence, the date, "1928" was juxtaposed between toshiba and
> deployment of electricity. I hope my grammer was suitably twisted.
>
> Seriously it really wasn't clear enough that there were two distinct
> though realted ideas there.
If I read my sentence (quoted above) out of the context of the thread
wherein the date 1700s had previously been stated, I'd see how that
interpretation could occur. But in-context, I still don't see it.
At any rate, it was an honest mistake, and multiple people made it,
so I guess we should move on.
Following rules of parallel construction isn't easy in hypertext!
-dq
To anyone in the group considering this machine...
I have the service manuals w/schematics for it
(as well as a working example), so don't let fear
of it being an oddball machine deter you from
rescuing it.
-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:12 AM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Zenith 150 in Los Angeles
>
>
> Passing this on, email them not me. ;)
>
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> Subject: [abandonedcomputers] what can I do with this old computer...?
>
> > I saw your posting on the helpline at an obsolete
> computer site... I
> >have an old Heath / Zenith 150 system that I built and would
> now like to
> >move out of my attic to make space. Its an original IBM PC
> clone that
> >runs with a NEC V20 chip at all of 8 MHZ. I also have all
> the original
> >documentation, software, modem, printer, etc... What
> can I do with
> >it ? I live in the L. A. area. thanx Alan
>
> Can anyone help here?
>
>
If you want to archive old 16mm or 8mm movies then VHS is not the way to go.
My wife's uncle has made movies of family functions for the last 50 years.
I have watched them, lots of 16mm film loading and rewinding involved. He
transferred them to VHS about 5 years ago. We did keep the originals. We
have had lengthy discussions of how to preserve them for the next 50 years.
The 5 year old VHS copies are convenient to view but we can now start to see
the loss of crispness due to data bleed-through. There is also a loss of
color fidelity. We have discussed CD-ROM and other digital media. Our goal
is to keep them for another 100 years and then let the next generation worry
about them. It's amazing to see the progression of the development of our
lake community in the movies, members of our family have lived here for 72
years. Boats have changed a lot. We keep coming back to analog
photographic film, partly because of cost, mainly because of stability. I
am investigating how to save/archive photographs from our community that
span from 1928, no lake and no water, until now. Saving the photos is easy,
recording who is in them is the hard part. CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING.
I helped the community computerized our records about 8 years ago. Up until
then we used bound paper ledgers. For historical reasons the ledgers are
invaluable because each page reflects then entire history of a lot/home from
the original plat until today. We have evolved from DBASE, to Peachtree
databases, to Access databases. A computer database is no help to try to
figure out why the sewer line was run through my yard and not on the sewer
easement in 1960. Written notes in the ledger help me to understand that the
rock was in the way and that hand digging was easier through my yard. Now
if you want to know why one house is constructed over the water and not on
shore that is another story. CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING.
Mike
Slow day in computer land.
Hi,
I just picked up a Newton Message Pad (with no manuals,
no A/C adapter, nada), and it has no batteries. I can see
that it takes 4 AAA batteries for the main power,
but there's a missing button battery of some kind.
Can anyone please tell me what kind of backup battery
I should use (the circular battery)?
thanks!
Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com
www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.htmlwww.allegro.com/sieler
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> From: Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu>
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Semi-OT: Mac IIsi and Open Transport
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:20 AM
>
> (By the way, what files does ProDOS 8 need to have on the disk for it to
be bootable?)
The boot sector, PRODOS, and a system program, usually BASIC.SYSTEM.
Be careful transferring files from the Mac to ProDOS. Often the Mac will
create a forked file which ProDOS 8 cannot handle. I use a program to make
them ProDOS 8 compatible before the transfer.
Paul R. Santa-Maria
Ann Arbor, Michigan USA
paulrsm(a)ameritech.net
Hey Tony:
> At some surplus shops, the owner was quite happy for me to pull cases
> from machines, like PCs, before buying one to see what cards were in it.
> But not to dismantle it any further. The owner provided the tools as well.
The UK must be a paradise compared to the states. If I let customers use my
tools I would never get any work done, due to a lack of tools! More than
once someone's taken CD-ROM software, leaving the empty jewel case behind.
Once someone even stole a mouse from a system we had on display . . . reached
around the back and unplugged it . . . please do me a favor and advise me as
to emigration requirements . . . ;>)
Glen
0/0
I need to connect a VT320 to a VAXstation 4000-VLC; anybody know the correct
wiring scheme (straight-thru, twisted, null-modem?) for the MMJ cable to do
so? I dont have a MMJ cable handy so I'm gonna multilate a normal phone
cable and some normal RJ11 heads....
bill
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>>To do thiswould require modding the slushware so that a normal console
>>requests are mapped to another port.
>
>Which is exactly what my suggestion to modify the address intialization
>table in the ROM does. Yeah, you need to have an EPROM burner, but that
>goes back to what the definition of "possible" is.
Well read on. I did say that the existant trapping ports 03/04 (603x and
604x)
that corospond to nominal PDP-8 console are also incomplete and cannot fall
into the interrupt skip chain as a nominal TTY (m-series) module would.
Sure
revised slushware can fix some ills but, not all. Add to that the printer
and COM
ports are using devices that are also off the PDP-8 track. It really ends
up
that despite slushware the hardware is enough odd that standard PDP-8
code (aka OS/8 and programming handbook examples) do not work or
have to be modifed from the source code side like OS/278 was.
Impossible, no. Reasonable, I don't think so. I've played with the 6100
and 6120 enough to know it's just enough different from PDP-8 that it does
make a difference with IO and most peripherals. Still, it's usability and
perfomance as a hybrid is nothing to ignore. For those interested in
programming the PDP-8 like 6120 it's a great platform to see how a
simple machine is anything but.
For my $.02 finding a tube (vr201 or any monochrome monitor) and
a DEC keyboard are not that bug a challenge as they were widely used
on rainbow, pro and terminals. Making the cable used is also not that
hard.
If there was any hack at all that is worth adding it's the real reset button
I have on mine. Saves power cycling.
Allison
>For anyone who misread my message and got instead that
>I thought electricity had been deployed after 1928
>needs to go back to school and learn English all over
>again.
>> > I was aware that Toshiba was building facsimile machines in 1928
>> > in Japan, but I didn't know the ability to send an image to a remote
>> > location predated the deployment of electricity.
>> >
>> > -dq
;) In these days of the PC retrorevionist history of computers who knew?
It's the comma splice, that did it! Because of how you constructed the
sentence, the date, "1928" was juxtaposed between toshiba and
deployment of electricity. I hope my grammer was suitably twisted.
Seriously it really wasn't clear enough that there were two distinct
though realted ideas there.
Allison