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by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

If anybody ever asked me what cars could be compared to classic computers, this is what I'd pick out: System: TI-99/4A Car equivalent: DMC Delorean Reason: It looks like a Delorean, & is about as flawed. System: Original Apple Macintosh Car equivalent: Any Saturn Reason: Way back when, Apple wanted to make you think that you were the wise consumer. Saturn does the same. System: Altair 8800 Car equivalent: Ford Model "T" Reason: If you can't figure this one out, hang up your mouse on the way out. System: Commodore 64 Car equivalent: 1957 Chevy Reason: Name anybody who didn't have one of these when they were out! (both the car or the system, that is) System: Apple /// Car equivalent: Yugo Reason: None required. System: Apple Macintosh SE/30 Car equivalent: 1967 Ford Mustang GT Reason: The computer could haul, & so could the car! System: IBM PC Jr. Car equivalent: Edsel Reason: See "Apple ///" System: Apple Macintosh II Car equivalent: Mack Truck Reason: Large computer, large truck, 'nuff said. System: Commodore Amiga Car equivalent: Any Lexus Reason: The Amiga had featues found on computers costing much more, likewise with its comparison. System: Apple LISA Car equivalent: Rolls Royce Reason: Self-explanitory. Got anything to add? I'd like to see what you guys can come up with? ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Home page: http://www.geocities.com/netsurfer_x1/ Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

25 years, 10 months

In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >> > I was aware that Toshiba was building facsimile machines in 1928 > >> > in Japan, but I didn't know the ability to send an image to a remote > >> > location predated the deployment of electricity. > >> > > >> > -dq > > ;) In these days of the PC retrorevionist history of computers who knew? > > It's the comma splice, that did it! Because of how you constructed the > sentence, the date, "1928" was juxtaposed between toshiba and > deployment of electricity. I hope my grammer was suitably twisted. > > Seriously it really wasn't clear enough that there were two distinct > though realted ideas there. If I read my sentence (quoted above) out of the context of the thread wherein the date 1700s had previously been stated, I'd see how that interpretation could occur. But in-context, I still don't see it. At any rate, it was an honest mistake, and multiple people made it, so I guess we should move on. Following rules of parallel construction isn't easy in hypertext! -dq

25 years, 10 months

Zenith 150 in Los Angeles

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

To anyone in the group considering this machine... I have the service manuals w/schematics for it (as well as a working example), so don't let fear of it being an oddball machine deter you from rescuing it. -dq > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:12 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Zenith 150 in Los Angeles > > > Passing this on, email them not me. ;) > > > X-eGroups-Return: > sentto-1672647-156-960668504-mikeford=socal.rr.com(a)returns.onelist.com > To: acs.list(a)jmug.org, abandonedcomputers(a)egroups.com > From: "Dorothy J. Rowe" <djrowe(a)itsa.ucsf.edu> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Mailing-List: list abandonedcomputers(a)egroups.com; contact > abandonedcomputers-owner(a)egroups.com > Delivered-To: mailing list abandonedcomputers(a)egroups.com > Precedence: bulk > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:abandonedcomputers-unsubscribe@egroups.com> > Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:23:05 -0700 > Reply-To: abandonedcomputers(a)egroups.com > Subject: [abandonedcomputers] what can I do with this old computer...? > > > I saw your posting on the helpline at an obsolete > computer site... I > >have an old Heath / Zenith 150 system that I built and would > now like to > >move out of my attic to make space. Its an original IBM PC > clone that > >runs with a NEC V20 chip at all of 8 MHZ. I also have all > the original > >documentation, software, modem, printer, etc... What > can I do with > >it ? I live in the L. A. area. thanx Alan > > Can anyone help here? > >

25 years, 10 months

OT: Archiving data/video/movies/photos/oral history

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

If you want to archive old 16mm or 8mm movies then VHS is not the way to go. My wife's uncle has made movies of family functions for the last 50 years. I have watched them, lots of 16mm film loading and rewinding involved. He transferred them to VHS about 5 years ago. We did keep the originals. We have had lengthy discussions of how to preserve them for the next 50 years. The 5 year old VHS copies are convenient to view but we can now start to see the loss of crispness due to data bleed-through. There is also a loss of color fidelity. We have discussed CD-ROM and other digital media. Our goal is to keep them for another 100 years and then let the next generation worry about them. It's amazing to see the progression of the development of our lake community in the movies, members of our family have lived here for 72 years. Boats have changed a lot. We keep coming back to analog photographic film, partly because of cost, mainly because of stability. I am investigating how to save/archive photographs from our community that span from 1928, no lake and no water, until now. Saving the photos is easy, recording who is in them is the hard part. CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING. I helped the community computerized our records about 8 years ago. Up until then we used bound paper ledgers. For historical reasons the ledgers are invaluable because each page reflects then entire history of a lot/home from the original plat until today. We have evolved from DBASE, to Peachtree databases, to Access databases. A computer database is no help to try to figure out why the sewer line was run through my yard and not on the sewer easement in 1960. Written notes in the ledger help me to understand that the rock was in the way and that hand digging was easier through my yard. Now if you want to know why one house is constructed over the water and not on shore that is another story. CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING. Mike Slow day in computer land.

25 years, 10 months

Netwon Message Pad battery question

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, I just picked up a Newton Message Pad (with no manuals, no A/C adapter, nada), and it has no batteries. I can see that it takes 4 AAA batteries for the main power, but there's a missing button battery of some kind. Can anyone please tell me what kind of backup battery I should use (the circular battery)? thanks! Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

25 years, 10 months

Semi-OT: Mac IIsi and Open Transport

by paulrsm＠ameritech.net

---------- > From: Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Semi-OT: Mac IIsi and Open Transport > Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:20 AM > > (By the way, what files does ProDOS 8 need to have on the disk for it to be bootable?) The boot sector, PRODOS, and a system program, usually BASIC.SYSTEM. Be careful transferring files from the Mac to ProDOS. Often the Mac will create a forked file which ProDOS 8 cannot handle. I use a program to make them ProDOS 8 compatible before the transfer. Paul R. Santa-Maria Ann Arbor, Michigan USA paulrsm(a)ameritech.net

25 years, 10 months

TI Professional Computer

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Hey Tony: > At some surplus shops, the owner was quite happy for me to pull cases > from machines, like PCs, before buying one to see what cards were in it. > But not to dismantle it any further. The owner provided the tools as well. The UK must be a paradise compared to the states. If I let customers use my tools I would never get any work done, due to a lack of tools! More than once someone's taken CD-ROM software, leaving the empty jewel case behind. Once someone even stole a mouse from a system we had on display . . . reached around the back and unplugged it . . . please do me a favor and advise me as to emigration requirements . . . ;>) Glen 0/0

25 years, 10 months

wiring for MMJ cable to connect VT320 to VAX VLC

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I need to connect a VT320 to a VAXstation 4000-VLC; anybody know the correct wiring scheme (straight-thru, twisted, null-modem?) for the MMJ cable to do so? I dont have a MMJ cable handy so I'm gonna multilate a normal phone cable and some normal RJ11 heads.... bill -- +--------------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | Austin, Texas | +--------------------+-------------------+ | mrbill(a)sunhelp.org | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | +--------------------+-------------------+

25 years, 10 months

Using DECmate III from terminal

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>>To do thiswould require modding the slushware so that a normal console >>requests are mapped to another port. > >Which is exactly what my suggestion to modify the address intialization >table in the ROM does. Yeah, you need to have an EPROM burner, but that >goes back to what the definition of "possible" is. Well read on. I did say that the existant trapping ports 03/04 (603x and 604x) that corospond to nominal PDP-8 console are also incomplete and cannot fall into the interrupt skip chain as a nominal TTY (m-series) module would. Sure revised slushware can fix some ills but, not all. Add to that the printer and COM ports are using devices that are also off the PDP-8 track. It really ends up that despite slushware the hardware is enough odd that standard PDP-8 code (aka OS/8 and programming handbook examples) do not work or have to be modifed from the source code side like OS/278 was. Impossible, no. Reasonable, I don't think so. I've played with the 6100 and 6120 enough to know it's just enough different from PDP-8 that it does make a difference with IO and most peripherals. Still, it's usability and perfomance as a hybrid is nothing to ignore. For those interested in programming the PDP-8 like 6120 it's a great platform to see how a simple machine is anything but. For my $.02 finding a tube (vr201 or any monochrome monitor) and a DEC keyboard are not that bug a challenge as they were widely used on rainbow, pro and terminals. Making the cable used is also not that hard. If there was any hack at all that is worth adding it's the real reset button I have on mine. Saves power cycling. Allison

25 years, 10 months

In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>For anyone who misread my message and got instead that >I thought electricity had been deployed after 1928 >needs to go back to school and learn English all over >again. >> > I was aware that Toshiba was building facsimile machines in 1928 >> > in Japan, but I didn't know the ability to send an image to a remote >> > location predated the deployment of electricity. >> > >> > -dq ;) In these days of the PC retrorevionist history of computers who knew? It's the comma splice, that did it! Because of how you constructed the sentence, the date, "1928" was juxtaposed between toshiba and deployment of electricity. I hope my grammer was suitably twisted. Seriously it really wasn't clear enough that there were two distinct though realted ideas there. Allison

25 years, 10 months

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