-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com>
To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, June 12, 2000 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: In defense of NASA: was Re: Wirin' up blinkenlights
>> This is true of computers, fax machines (which
>> were invented in the 1700's BTW), and telecommunications. Without some
>> other force driving the creation of technology, mainstream folks don't
>> change their ways.
>
>I was aware that Toshiba was building facsimile machines in 1928
>in Japan, but I didn't know the ability to send an image to a remote
>location predated the deployment of electricity.
>
>-dq
>
Unless there is "prior art" that I'm unaware of, Doug is off by a century.
See http://www.thg.org.uk/articles.htm#FACSIMILE for a brief history of the
development of fax technology.
Cheers,
Mark.
Would it be possible to get just a few of these? LIke
maybe 2 or 3?
-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Lane [mailto:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 1:23 AM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: FW: Last chance for tapes
>
>
> For those of us that have QIC tape drives, this fellow
> has a bunch
> of DC6525 tapes, most of them still in their shrink wrap.
>
> Please contact him directly if interested.
>
> -=-=- <snip> -=-=-
>
> In article <3942FDF3.2D13(a)worldnet.att.net>, you say...
>
> > Subject: Last chance for tapes
> > From: Jack LaBrecque <JITB(a)worldnet.att.net>
> > Reply-To: JITB(a)postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.ncr, comp.sys.att, comp.periphs.scsi
> >
> > SONY QD6525N (Same as DC6525 from 3M) & 3M DDS-90 4mm. I
> have 50-100 of
> > each. Most are brand new and still in wrappers. Make me
> an offer or
> > they go to the dump.
> >
> > --
> > Semper Fi
> >
> > Jack L
> > JITB's Home Page:
> > http://home.att.net/~jitb/
> > JITB's USMC Page:
> > http://home.att.net/~jitb/usmc/usmc.htm
> > PFC Edward A. Peterson:
> > http://home.att.net/~jitb/ed/pete.htm
> >
> >
>
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Bruce Lane, Owner/Head Honcho,
> Blue Feather Technologies (http://www.bluefeathertech.com)
> kyrrin [a-t] bluefeathertech {d=o=t} com
> "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be
> superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk)
>
I received this piece of fan mail from someone who had
visited my Ancient Alphabetic Art page at
http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/ .
It sounds like he's making an interesting video.
I'm sure he'd appreciate any insights from list members.
I haven't checked my archives to see if I have this
American Gothic image. If I don't, I might beg someone
to help him recover the files from his tape...
- John
>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:47:48 -0500
>From: Douglas Harms <dharms(a)DEPAUW.EDU>
>Subject: Line Printer Art
>To: jfoust(a)threedee.com
>
>John:
>
>Hi! I'm on the faculty at DePauw University in Greencastle Indiana. One
>of the projects two of my students and I are currently working on is a
>video of an old PDP-11/10 I have. In the video several people go back in
>time to the 1970's to see the PDP-11 in action. (I know, it's pretty
>corny, but what can I say?) I'd like to create a 1970's era computer
>center environment for this portion of the video. One of the things I
>remember from my college days (in the 70's) is line printer art; I came
>upon your page at the Jefferson Computer Museum during my search and was
>quite impressed with the number of images you have in your collection.
>
>I'd like to print some images on our line printer and was wondering if any
>of your files are available for download.
>
>Any help or suggestions you could give me would be appreicated.
>
>Thanks!
>
>--Doug
>
>p.s. I actually have a mag tape I made 22 years ago on a PDP-11/45 running
>RSTS that contains 10 overstrike pictures. Unfortunately, I don't seem to
>be able to read this tape anymore :-( Most of these pictures are probably
>duplicates of yours (playboy-type pictures, if I recall correctly), but one
>is a large image of American Gothic, which I didn't see in your list. If I
>am ever successful at reading these files I'd be happy to send them to you
>if you'd like.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Douglas Harms, Associate Professor of Computer Science
>Department of Computer Science
>DePauw University
>Greencastle, IN 46135 ---------------------------------------
> | Hofstadter's Law:
>email: dharms(a)depauw.edu | Everything takes longer than
>voice: 765.658.4727 | expected, even when Hofstadter's
>fax: 765.658.4732 | Law is taken into account.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
Anybody know a source for cheap TK50 tapes? I dont mind used...
Bill
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>Is it possible to use a DECmate III from a terminal if one has no monitor
>or keyboard for it?
Running wps278, no! that software talks to the console at the default
console device addresses.
>Since it's in the PDP-8 family, can it run OS/8?
Yes, specifically OS278 version. Again the tube and keyboard are required.
Why? the default console is devices 03/04 and those ahve been assigned
via hardware to the CRT/keyboard with slushware support. Slushware is
the code loaded into the alternate memory (Control pannel ram) to do
"special tasks".
To run it to say the printer or comm port you have to use OS278 and write
a new console driver and bind the two. To do that you'd need a PDP-8
or a PDP-8 emulator.
>BTW, Does anyone have any stories of favorite PDP-8 or Decmate hacks,
>and, has anyone here used a DECmate for any music or sound synthesis
>applications?
In theory a DECmate could do music... the problem is interfacing it as
there is no "bus" to grab that is easily available. the problem is one of
the fully integrated system and trying to add/interface to it beyond the
available design. It could be done but it would not be easy.
It would be good to go to the PDP-8 FAQ and read the treatise
on why a DECMATE is not a PDP-8, (almost does count!).
Allison
Well just got back from my two weeks in Houston and had a few great
finds and a little bad luck. The good news is I found a number of good
finds, here's a short list as some of the items are not 10 years old
yet.
1. Royal TA model F1 computer, ext. floppy drive, and user's manual all
for $6
2. Amiga 1040
3. Percom ext. floppy drive unit
4. 15 - Mac keyboards, no cables but they were free for the taking.
5. Team concepts printer
6. NEC MultiSpin 6X cdrom reader
7. Socrates mousesystem with tablet and mouse
8. Epson Equity LT-286e laptop not working but was also free.
9. Scan-It by digital media labs for the Mac, $8 bucks at flea market
10. Sega 3D adapter
11. Many manuals and books
12. HP 98720A
13. Amiga 1000
14. Suncom animation station computergraphics sensor pad
15. Atrai printer adapter for the 800
The list is much longer but the other items do not meet the 10 year
rule.
The bad news is I found a System/36 model 5362 (complete) for $50 at a
thrift in Houston and I paid the folks for it and asked if I could pick
it up the next day as I would need a truck to carry it. They said ok
and when I came back to pick it up someone had trashed the machine by
taking out 5 cards and breaking them up on the floor next to the unit.
I asked the store manager to adjusted the price I had paid for it but
they said I had purchased it "AS IS" and said it was not trashed when I
purchased it the day before. They did agree to lower the price on a Mac
145B powerbook that I found sitting on the shelf there as a way to
settle my problem. I have never had anything like this happen before.
John Keys
I'm hoping that someone knows something about some of this stuff and/or
can use some of it. Not free but really reasonable IF you can come to
Roanoke, VA and load it up.
HP 3000 Series III mainframe [a couple of racks worth, but some vandal
hauled ALL the cards to a recycler prior to my finding it]
HP 3000 system 30 cute little R2D2 sized mainframe [no cards]
HP Tape Drives 7970 several variations
HP disk drives, big and heavy 7920's & 25's
HP keyboards & terminals 2640,2645, maybe some 2649's
non HP stuff:
CDC PA5N1 harddrives--also heavy!
Bunch of NCR minis running VRX or VRX/E, also got a couple of
controlers and a PS or two from the same series
pile of TRS-80 series III
Not cheap but lots of them:
HP 1000 E&F series minis
HP 21MX series minis
HP "A" series minis
This is a serious size pile--probably 2-3 tons of stuff in really good
condition. My storage runneth over. Craig
On June 11, John R. Keys Jr. wrote:
> The bad news is I found a System/36 model 5362 (complete) for $50 at a
> thrift in Houston and I paid the folks for it and asked if I could pick
> it up the next day as I would need a truck to carry it. They said ok
> and when I came back to pick it up someone had trashed the machine by
> taking out 5 cards and breaking them up on the floor next to the unit.
> I asked the store manager to adjusted the price I had paid for it but
> they said I had purchased it "AS IS" and said it was not trashed when I
> purchased it the day before. They did agree to lower the price on a Mac
> 145B powerbook that I found sitting on the shelf there as a way to
> settle my problem. I have never had anything like this happen before.
Wow, that *sucks*. Sounds like somebody needs some broken fingers.
Sorry to hear that, man.
-Dave McGuire
Well, thanks to a clever guy on c.s.a2, I got the IIgs to network boot.
It involved going into the Control Panel, setting slot 2 to AppleTalk, and
setting the startup slot to AppleTalk. It magically found Steve, the Mac,
and was able to connect and boot ProDOS 8. BASIC.SYSTEM came up without a
hitch, and I was able to use the Mac as a fileshare without problem. Neat!
Thanks for all the help, folks!
It had some trouble booting GS/OS from the Mac, however. It showed the
"Welcome to the IIgs" box, and got about half-way through (at the bottom,
an AppleTalk share icon eventually showed up), but then abruptly bombed
out and dropped back to the AppleShare client. GS/OS then wouldn't come
up at all until I rebooted the machine. Corrupt copy or not enough memory?
Someone on c.s.a2 said it should at least boot with 1MB, even if it
couldn't run much.
Later today I'm going to build those GS/OS disks and see if starting it
up from the floppy drive makes any difference.
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