- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

This is being sent to both the CLASSICCMP and port-VAX lists since both are likely to contain people who use rack-mount hardware. Hi, folks, Time to get rid of a rack, methinks. I have one available that's 57" high (just under 5 feet) by 24.5" deep. It's enclosed, with a rear door, has wheels, and it also has a big honker of a filtered cooling fan mounted in the bottom. For power, it has a Wiremold-brand power strip mounted vertically in the back. The front and back rails are drilled and tapped for standard 10-32 rack screws. DEC used a zillion of 'em in most of their older products. Price: $50 or best offer. I'll also consider trades for (physically) smaller stuff. LOCAL PICKUP ONLY in Kent, WA (southeast of Seattle). Sorry, but there's no way I can ship this beast, not unless somebody wants to pay way more than it's probably worth for palletizing and freight. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Ontopic Drops was OT: The Drop Squad

by Innfogra＠aol.com

When we had to move from my original warehouse in Portland we brought in a 30 Yard dumpster. Now there was stuff on the seventh and the third floors. It was just too much of a temptation. On a quiet Sunday a television jumped out a window on the 7th floor, dead center into the dumpster. A huge crash echoed between the tall buildings of the street. We discovered that plastic likes to shatter into lots of pieces when dropped from great heights. Aiming from the seventh floor proved difficult, however. The next item, an old stereo split the far edge of the steel wall of the dumpster. While the motor and heavy parts ended in the dumpster much of the plastic littered the street. We went down and removed the plastic before we could get into trouble. We relocated to the third floor which had a lot of Wang 22XX terminals. Now this was much easier. The dumpster was not the small target that it seemed >from the seventh floor. The heavy weight of the Wangs made for a more predictable trajectory, not to mention a very satisfactory racket when they landed in the dumpster. They possessed considerably less kinetic energy and generally stayed in one piece with pops when the tube blew. Crash, pop, crash, pop, crash, pop... After all, these terminals were scheduled to be in the dumpster anyway, what better way to do it, and let gravity help. In the next warehouse we got in two pallets of copper wire on steel spools. It proved to be very difficult to destroy the spool yet keep the wire in a coil. Finally we took all the wire to the roof of our 6 story warehouse. Since we didn't want the wire to lose form we just pushed the spools off with little horizontal acceleration. We were right. When the spool hit the pavement of the parking lot. the ends jumped off the spool. The wire might expand in an elongated coil but was easy to gather together. The best solution was to hold the spool out and just drop it. The goal was to get the spool to land flat on one side. The opposite side would pop off and the coil would bounce up and down, staying tight. This was lots of fun on another Sunday in Portland. I have some video. I believe in using gravity as a tool. However most of these fun ways are illegal now in Portland. We did most of this 10 years ago. For those that are worried no collectable computers were sacrificed this way except the Wangs. Thanks for the URL on the Drop Squad. I enjoyed it. Paxton

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PDP-8/i Help needed

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hi, OK I have an 8/i, but now I have a lot of questions; first, where the heck is the serial number on the dumb thing? The top of the main frame seems to be the listing for the options and serial numbers, i.e. "KW8I 532," "MC8IA 1877," and "KP8I 774." I know this means it has/had another 4K of memory, the power fail/auto restart, and the RTC. On the back of the main frame, it has one more serial plate, though it looks like there used to be another one. It reads "M26 8I L3213." Is there any way to determine the stupid thing's serial number or is it there or ??? I have reason to believe that it's a fairly early machine, since it's a Negibus 8/i, and some of the chip dates are from late '68/early '69. I'd appreciate not being outbid on the 4K PDP-8 core stack on Ebay, as I need it to have the full 8K that it once had. Does anyone have any real docs for the beast they could part with? I mean originals, yes I greatly appreciate highgate, but since I plan to have a museum at some point, I really do need the real things. Not to mention that I don't have the equipment to print a D-size drawing (the module utilization chart). I also need the trim piece for the top of the rack it lives in (the old black 6'4" style). While I'm at it, I have no manuals for my 11/34A or my VAX-11/750.. Will J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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OT: WebSurfer (New Linux-able web box)

by af-list＠wfi-inc.com

All the details are here: http://www.linux-hacker.net/websurfer/ws.html I believe they cost around $50 at CompUSA. Cheers, Aaron

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PDP-8/i Help needed

by aek＠spies.com

"I would appreciate it if you would not bid on eBay at all. You rarely pay for anything and have been kicked off twice for bidding on many items and never paying." Ditto from me, Will. You cost me several hundred dollars on the fiche and VT11 paper tapes. I make everything that I have available to the collecting community. So far I see no evidence that you are anything other than a collecting black hole, and see little reason to offer any direct help to you at all.

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Classic Databooks and Manuals available

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 1, 8:36, Pete Turnbull wrote: > On Apr 30, 19:21, James Willing wrote: > > Trying to clear some space in the 'Garage' yet again Oh, spit, that was supposed to go to Jim, not the list. Sorry. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Tiny Cluster (VMS) ?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Ok, so I've got two VLC's and I want to see if I can cluster them over >ethernet. This is a precursor to installing the 3400's to be a local >cluster over DSSI. What document do I start in? > >I'm guessing that I somehow need to get MOP running on the VMS system and >to tell it the ethernet address of the other VLC so that when it MOPs for >an image the cluster will respond. It's all very easy: login as SYSTEM, do a @CLUSTER_CONFIG, and answer the questions. You'll need to know the Ethernet hardware address of each satellite, of course, but otherwise it's easy to set up a basic cluster this way. Of course, there are also "non-basic" clusters, but you gotta start with the simple stuff first. Tim.

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IBM systems available

by west＠tseinc.com

First, my apologies to all who have been trying to reach me (classiccmp related) over the past two weeks - we're in the middle of moving our datacenter (still) and I've been unable to check my personal email let alone respond to it. By the end of this week I hope to respond to all emails... Second - I have been asked to pick up two ibm systems, each from a different source. One I know is an IBM 36, the other is either a 36 or 38. Both systems were just decomissioned and known to be working. One of them definitely includes a lot of documentation, I don't know about the other. Here's the problem - I have no interest in these systems whatsoever, and most importantly I do NOT have ANY room to store them except perhaps for a week - no more. If anyone wants these systems, please contact me at jlwest(a)tseinc.com quickly, as the owners want them moved immediately. Both owners have clearly stated the systems are available at no charge. I'm just not up for packaging and shipping these beasts myself. Both systems are in the Metro St. Louis, Missouri area. Any takers? Jay West

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Tiny Cluster (VMS) ?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so I've got two VLC's and I want to see if I can cluster them over ethernet. This is a precursor to installing the 3400's to be a local cluster over DSSI. What document do I start in? I'm guessing that I somehow need to get MOP running on the VMS system and to tell it the ethernet address of the other VLC so that when it MOPs for an image the cluster will respond. --Chuck

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11/23+ question

by mbg＠world.std.com

>>part number 010-01135-00 rev b etched on it. > >I don't see that part number in my indices, but it certainly sounds like >it may be a DEC part number. With the FIFO and the UART, it obviously DEC part numbers are 2-5-2 numbers -- two digits, five digits, two digits. So with this being 3-5-2, it doesn't appear on the face of it to be a DEC part number. But the board numbers will tell... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Classic Databooks and Manuals available

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Jim. On Apr 30, 19:21, James Willing wrote: > Trying to clear some space in the 'Garage' yet again Ha! Tell me about it -- today and next weekend I have to completely empty mine, so the builders can start alterations (and the only reason I even considered it, is that the end result will include a proper raised floor and a computer room / workshop that's completely separate from the gardening tools). > General Instruments Microelectronics Data Catalog - 1982 I'd like this one. The only slight problem is getting money across the Atlantic, since Europe's banking system does't seem to talk well to the USA. I think the best way (I assume you have no way to take payment from a Mastercard or Visa card) is just to airmail you a few bills. Would that be acceptable? What do you reckon for postage? The last few books I got from US booksellers cost $2 - $3 each, using some low-cost UPS option. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Classic Databooks and Manuals available

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Trying to clear some space in the 'Garage' yet again, and so this time are offering some assorted classic (and some not so classic) Component Databooks and assorted manuals. The basic deal: $5.00 each (includes postage in the U.S. - elsewhere, ask) with the exception of a couple of application notes which are $1.00 (they are noted as such in the descriptions). Any not spoken for by next weekend will either make a pass at eBay or the recycling bin. So hesitation is not recommended... B^} There are no 'quantities' either in pricing or availability. There is only one of each item listed. First come, first served... Payment options: check, (must clear before shipment) or postal money order, PayPal (if you are in a hurry) So off we go: Available Documentation Listing -------------------------------- Ashton Tate Framework II Manual Set Dallas Seimconductor 1987-1988 Product Databook - Commemorative Edition Diodes Inc. Discrete Semiconductor Catalog 1995 Epson FX-286 User's Manual Epson FX Printer Operation Manual General Instruments Microelectronics Data Catalog - 1982 Harris Linear and Telecom ICs - 1991 Harris RCA High-Speed CMOS Logic ICs - 1989 Harris Microprocessor Products for Commercial and Military Digital Applications - 1992 Hearst 1992 IC Master - Volume 1 Hearst 1992 IC Master - Volume 2 Hearst 1992 IC Master - Volume 3 Hewlett Packard Using the HP Scanjet IIc Scanner with Microsoft Windows Hitachi IC Memory Databook - 1988 Hitachi LCD Controller/Driver LSI Databook - 1989 Hitachi DRAM Databook - 1991 Hitachi 8/16 Peripheral LSI Databook - 1987 Intel MCS-80/85 Family Users Manual Oct. 1979 Intel 8086 Family Users Manual Oct. 1979 Intel Microprocessors Volume III - 1994 Intel Intel486 Microprocessor Family - 1994 Intel Pentium Family User's Manual Volume 1: Databook - 1994 Intel Pentium Family User's Manual Volume 2: 82496/82497 Cache Controller and 82491/82492 Cache SRAM Data Book - 1994 Intel Pentium Family User's Manual Volume 3: Architecture and Programming - 1994 Intel 32-Bit Embedded Controller Handbook - 1989 Intel 8-Bit Embedded Controllers - 1990 Intel Embedded Applications - 1990 Intel Component Data Catalog - 1980 Intel Component Data Catalog - 1982 Intel Component Data Catalog - 1981 Intel App Note: Example Memory Subsystem for the Pentium Processor - 1993 Intel App Note: Pentium Processor Clock Design - 1993 Intel App Note: Designing with the Pentium Processor, 82496 Cache Processor and 82491 Cache SRAM CPU-Cache Chip Set - 1993 Intel PROM Programming Personality Modules ($1) Intel 27C64/87C64 64k CHMOS UV Erasable PROM ($1) Intel Pentium Processor 90/100MHz (preliminary) Intersil Component Data Catalog - 1987 Lotus 123 Release 2.01 Manual Lotus HAL User's Manual Maxim Short Form Product Guide - 1993 Maxim 1986 Analog Swuitches and Multiplexers Maxim 1986 Power Supply Circuits Maxim Product Selector Guide and Price List Maxim 1993 Applications and Product Highlights Maxim 1987 Data Converters and Voltage References Maxim 1993 New Releases Databook Volume II Microsoft Word 3.1 Manual MicroPro Wordstar version 3.3 Manual Mitsubishi Single-Chip 8-Bit Microcomputers - 1989 Mostek 3870/F8 Microcomputer Databook - 1981 Motorola Memory Data Q1/88 Motorola Small Signal Transistors, FETs, and Diodes Device Data Q4/93 Motorola Telecommunications Device Data Q3/89 Motorola CMOS Data 1978 Motorola Linear and Interface Integrated Circuits Q2/88 Motorola High-Speed CMOS Logic Data Q2/88 Motorola CMOS Application-Specific Standard ICs Q4/90 Motorola CMOS Logic Data Q2/88 National Semiconductor Semiconductor Master Selection Guide 1988 National Semiconductor Linear Databook 1 - 1988 National Semiconductor Linear Databook 2 - 1988 National Semiconductor Linear Databook 3 - 1988 National Semiconductor Microcontrollers Databook - 1988 National Semiconductor 48-Series Microprocessors Handbook - 1980 National Semiconductor Linear Applications Handbook - 1986 National Semiconductor CMOS Logic Handbook - 1988 National Semiconductor Memory Databook - 1988 National Semiconductor ALS/AS Logic Databook - 1987 National Semiconductor LS/S/TTL Logic Databook - 1987 NEC Microcomputer Products Databook - 1987 NEC Memory Products Databook Volume 1 - 1993 NEC Memory Products Databook Volume 2 - 1993 NEC Microcomputer Division - 1982 Catalog NEC Memory Products Databook - 1989 NEC Microcomputer Products Volume 1 - 1987 Paradigm 1995 Databook Phillips Video, Audio, and Associated Systems Bipolar, MOS - 1991 Phillips Discrete Semiconductors Selector Guide and Cross Reference - 1993 Rockwell Controller Products Databook - 1987 ROHM Video ICs 1995/1996 Databook ROHM Light Emitting Diodes 1995/1996 Databook ROHM Motor Driver ICs 1995/1996 Databook Samsung MOS Memory - 1995 Samsung Graphic Memory Databook - 1996 Signetics TTL Data Manual 1986 Signetics FAST Data Manual - 1987 Standard Microsystems 1988 Components Catalog Texas Instruments Low Power Schottky and Advanced Low Power Schottky Products Oct. 1979 Texas Instruments 1981 Supplement to the TTL Data Book Varian Vacuum Technologies Product Catalog 2000 Xicor Databook - 1985 Xicor Serial I/O Datasheets - 1985 Xicor e2PROMs - 1985 -------------------------------- -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Ontopic Drops was OT: The Drop Squad

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I believe in using gravity as a tool. There's an interesting article in the Annals of Irreproducible Research where (using a suspect extrapolation!) they calculated how many times you'd have to drop a frozen turkey from an 10-story building to get it fully cooked. IIRC the title was "Cooking with Potential Energy". The text (though not the graphs) seems to be online at http://www.bmsc.udel.edu/niiler/HESC276/PotentialEnergy.txt Tim.

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Tandy 102

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Well, I finally got something I've wanted ever since I saw the first one in a Radio Shack. The only problem is I get the feeling it doesn't work. Using the powerbrick from my Tandy WP-2 I was able to turn it on, however, unless I adjust the contrast up the screen is blank, well, even when adjusted up, it's blank. Any ideas? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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microprocessor reference cards

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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PDP-5 Rescued!

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

This didn't seem to make it out the first time, so here goes a second. I managed to rescue the PDP-5 that I've "owned" for some time now, but it was stuck in a far away city. Anyhoo, I've put up the obligatory pictures at <http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/pdp5.html> for anyone who cares to take a peek at it. This uses "DEC System Modules" the pre-cursor to the DEC Flip Chip technology. It hasn't been powered on in 15 years so I'll be a bit cautious getting the caps warmed up in the PSU. -15V transistor logic, wild stuff! --Chuck

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Z-80 Pinouts

by mrdos＠swbell.net

Does any body happen to know the pin specifications for a Z-80 microprocessor? Thanks, Owen

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The DEC M9060 board

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

The visual field guide lists it as ??? many other field guides don't list it at all. It was the answer to question I didn't know to ask. Its a friggin' dummy load! If you happen to come across a DEC "skunk box" also know as the BA213 chassis which was home to MicroVAX 3300 - 3900's and some DEC System 5500's, you'll notice it has two power supplies (one on the left and one on the right). I was restoring a MicroVAX 3400 and thought it had a "bad" power supply. As it turned out, without sufficient load these power supplys will not "light up." So to fix that on the 3400 I plugged a Fujitsu SCSI drive (known power hog :-) on to the disk connector and voila, the thing worked. So I've been looking at a couple of 3400's that were used as a cluster and both of them had M9060 boards installed in the last slot. These boards provide sufficent load on the supplies to get them to both turn on. _Very_ handy gizmos. Moral of the story, if you think you have a "bad" BA213 chassis, try loading up the power supply a bit, and if that works, find one of these boards and plug it into the last slot! Another of lifes little mysteries solved. --Chuck

26 years, 3 months

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eBay Auction Links

by Historical＠aol.com

Hello everyone, I know that there are some bad attitudes regarding eBay, but I would like to ask this list's help. I have recently updated my links to specific keywords for eBay auctions and I would ask for anyone who is willing to help me check them and improve them. Also, I currently do not have links for collectible software and I would ask for suggestions. DOS and Windows versions are obvious. I also have just one link each to Haggle and Excite's auctions, I would ask for any auction suggestions too. I hope to make my site a central "jumping off" point for these as well as for computer history related books and recent news and events. Any help is appreciated. Best, http://www.classiccomputing.com/auctions.html David Greelish Publisher Classic Computing Press

26 years, 3 months

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classiccmp-digest V1 #147

by townhome＠compuserve.com

This mailing list has no info on how to get removed. How do I do so? Thanks.

26 years, 3 months

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OT: DDS Tapes

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Question, can a DDS1 tape be used in a DDS2 drive to test the drive, or am I going to have to go out and spend the $$$'s on a tape to test the drive? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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What to use as a substitute for the NCR5380??

by jruschme＠mac.com

It seems like I recall that either AMD or NatSemi still had a compatible part in production. -- John Ruschmeyer jruschme(a)mac.com > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:33:50 -0600 > From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> > Subject: What to use as a substitute for the NCR5380?? > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BFB159.71DEDD60 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Do any of you guys know of a code-compatible substitute for the NCR 5380 = > that's available currently? > > Dick

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RCA Dev System IV another update...

by dogas＠leading.net

The love affair continues. I ran across a great 1802 instruction summary in the RCA workshop that presents the CPU instructions in a matrix format respecting the instruction code's N code sub meaning and have added a scan to my site at: http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/cosmac/cosmac.htm ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Z-80 Pinouts

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>At 06:45 PM 4/28/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Does any body happen to know the pin specifications for a Z-80 microprocessor? >> >>Thanks, >>Owen > >Here's the place to be for all things Z-80: > > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/3938/z80_home.htm Check the sites mentioned for details. If you need further details we are here to provide additional detail. Allison

26 years, 3 months

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FS/FT: Dectape TU56 parts

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I have some DecTape TU56 front panel controls, so if someone has a TU56 with a bad switch or something, let me know and maybe we can make a trade. Also, I might be able to get a set of motors, or even possibly a read/write head, if that is needed. It would take me a couple hours to go back with some tools and extract these parts, so unless someone wants to trade me something for it, i probably wont bother. Someone else has already extracted one of the motors (there are normally 4 total, one behind each of the wheels on the front on the unit). -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

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Hmmm, VMS again

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>How was VMS distributed? I've got a blue box that says "OpenVMS" and >contained a "wallet" of CD-ROMS with VMS for Alpha and VMS for VAX. There >is one VAX-VMS Binraries CD and one that is labelled "Layered Products 1 of >1" and the VMS FreeWare 2.0 CD. I'm looking for the C, Fortran, and PASCAL >compilers. But they don't appear to be on either of these disks. Was there >another CD with even more layered products on it? A complete condist (consolidated distribution) for VMS 7.0 is, I believe, 12 disks. If you get the hobbyist CD's through the OpenVMS hobbyist program ( http://www.montagar.com/ ) the "layered product" CD that comes with it is a "best of" from all the condist CD's, carrying what someone thought a hobbyist would be most likely to want. Many of the compilers are there. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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FS: Mac parts!

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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Misc PC software Available

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

This is the other half, several packages with Disk or CD and docs, are available for $5/each post paid in the USA. Sytos Plus File Backup Manager for DOS (by Sytron) 386/MAX Version 6 by Qualitas (an EMM386 type clone?) Shrink wrapped "Microsoft Online" box. (would make a nice addition to your collectible AOL disk :-) --Chuck

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FS/FT: Novell Developer CD-ROMs

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I've got a _pile_ of Novell Network developer CD-ROMs. Some claim to be time limited, some are docs, all are from the Novell Developer program and came on a load of stuff that was otherwise unrelated. This is what they say: Novell Directory Service - Developer Jumpstart CD Novell LAN DDK/SDK Novell Software Connection Library 10 " " 11 etc, etc for about 40+ CD ROMs (I suspect some duplicates.) It looks like most of the developer connection series and some IHV beta stuff. Definitely should be archived rather than go to the dumpster or be made into coasters. I'd prefer to trade a couple of Q-bus boards or a PCI SCSI controller (preferably one of the Adaptec ones), if there is any interest at all let me know before next friday. --Chuck

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Hmmm, VMS again

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

How was VMS distributed? I've got a blue box that says "OpenVMS" and contained a "wallet" of CD-ROMS with VMS for Alpha and VMS for VAX. There is one VAX-VMS Binraries CD and one that is labelled "Layered Products 1 of 1" and the VMS FreeWare 2.0 CD. I'm looking for the C, Fortran, and PASCAL compilers. But they don't appear to be on either of these disks. Was there another CD with even more layered products on it? --Chuck

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Ok, so how do I install layered products?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Where to start? (I entered the label that the disk says it has on it (its >printed on the CD as OPENVMSS070LP, but that is rejected as being incorrect) If you think the label printed on the CD is wrong, you can do a MOUNT/OVERRIDE=IDENTIFICATION to figure out what the real disk label is. If you still get an error, show us exactly what command you tried and exactly the error message you got back. Unlike many modern software products, the error messages from VMS *are* actually helpful to figure out what's going wrong! Tim.

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Ok, so how do I install layered products?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I know, I know. It must be written down somewhere, but the DOC is on a CD and I don't know how to access it! I have VMS 7.0 installed, and I installed DECWindows. I also told it to be a cluster node and that caused some problems initially. On boot it complained about INCLUDES. For the uninitiated the NO_SHARE option on the hobbiest VMS license means you need one license per CPU, and for that to work you have to type: LICENSE MODIFY/INCLUDE=TNYVAX VAX-VMS before it will work. (TNYVAX was my node name, yours will vary) So its installed, but I would really like to install TCP/IP so that I can open a DECWindow on my remote X server. I think it is on the VMS Layered products disk but when I try to mount it it complains I've gor the wrong label. Where to start? (I entered the label that the disk says it has on it (its printed on the CD as OPENVMSS070LP, but that is rejected as being incorrect) --Chuck

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11/23+ question

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> I was wondering if anyone had an idea about an 11/23+ I picked up recently. >It's a normal looking 11/23+, but the UART closest to the console connecters >is replaced by a 40 pin socket. The socket has a ribbon cable attached which >goes to a small board (2x3.5 inches) that contains a UART and a couple of >other chips (notebly a dallas ds2010). A DS2010 is a 1024*9 FIFO. > Looking at the socket, it's not a >rework, I believe the board came this way from DEC. The small board has a >part number 010-01135-00 rev b etched on it. I don't see that part number in my indices, but it certainly sounds like it may be a DEC part number. With the FIFO and the UART, it obviously has something to do with buffering either input or output through the serial port. Interesting find! If you look on the board handles, are there any suffixes on the M8189? (Something like "YA" or "YB"?) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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RCA Dev System IV another update...

by dogas＠leading.net

From: technoid(a)cheta.net <technoid(a)cheta.net> >Excellent. What are the specs on the machine or do you know yet? > I thought I'd start posting some of my notes as I jump into this machine that I'm already beginning to love dearly. This first post covers the COSMAC's features, organization, archetecture and instruction format if anyone is interested: http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/cosmac/note1.htm More soon... Please let me know if I misrepresented anything. Cheers - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

26 years, 3 months

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RCA Dev System IV another update...

by dogas＠leading.net

From: technoid(a)cheta.net <technoid(a)cheta.net> >Excellent. What are the specs on the machine or do you know yet? > I thought I'd start posting some of my notes as I jump into this machine that I'm already beginning to love dearly. This first post covers the COSMAC's features, organization, archetecture and instruction format if anyone is interested: http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/cosmac/note1.htm More soon... Please let me know if I misrepresented anything. Cheers - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

26 years, 3 months

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11/23+ question

by wrking＠tsoft.com

I was wondering if anyone had an idea about an 11/23+ I picked up recently. It's a normal looking 11/23+, but the UART closest to the console connecters is replaced by a 40 pin socket. The socket has a ribbon cable attached which goes to a small board (2x3.5 inches) that contains a UART and a couple of other chips (notebly a dallas ds2010). Looking at the socket, it's not a rework, I believe the board came this way from DEC. The small board has a part number 010-01135-00 rev b etched on it. Thanks, Bill King

26 years, 3 months

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VAX on TV???

by andy.sporner＠networkengines.com

Hi, > I recently saw some top corner of a VAX 4000 in a documentation on TV here, > including some other VAX-related DEC-stuff standing around there. But on the > movies, it seems to be hard to spot a VAX. Perhaps in the German movies, but you can see a room full of 11/725's and 11/750's in a movie called "D.A.R.R.Y.L". Andy

26 years, 3 months

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Fluke DOS

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, I picked up a second FLuke 1722 today. This one does have the keyboard (at last)! But I still haven't found the operating system software for it. Can anyone help? It uses Fluke's F-DOS. I'd also like to find a manual for it. The 1722 is an instrument controller. It has a built in touch sensative screen that measures about 5 x 7 inches. It also has one built in RS-232 port and one HP-IB port and it's controlled by a TMS9900 CPU. Joe

26 years, 3 months

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VMS fun, stand backup?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Ok, all this has me trying to upgrade to VMS 7.0 since a) I have the Media >kit and b) I'd like to try clustering dissimilar machines. I found a CDROM >drive that can boot the CD, and it boots into standlone backup. What are >the two commands to prepare the local hard drive and then unpack on to it? OK, here comes... Assumptions, DKA700 is the cdrom, DKA200 is the target disk. $ backup/image dka400:VMS070.b/save dka200: when done copying you will be asked if the system is to continue type YES. Then halt the machine. To actually run the install... >>>Boot DKA200 The rest will be obvious. Allison

26 years, 3 months

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IBM 8" Disks - What are they?

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>Amongst the things which I saved from the skip I have 4 >IBM 8" floppies, >the labels say: > >MAP ENTRY DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** >P/N=4410338 E.C.=571989 DIAGN.DISK. 1 >-------------------------------------------------------- >CONTENTS, 0D0-FFB-FFF-FD6-143-FC0,DD6,D44, > FC2,DD9,C17-FA0,FA6,FA7 >-------------------------------------------------------- > > > >STAND ALONE DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** >P/N=4247991 E.C.=571931 DIAGN.DISK. 2 >-------------------------------------------------------- >CONTENTS, LDR-FC0,LD5-FA0,E0A > >-------------------------------------------------------- > > >3340 MICRO DIAGNOSTIC DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** >P/N=4247992 E.C.=571989 DIAGN.DISK. 3 > >-------------------------------------------------------- >CONTENTS, C16-FA1-FA2-FA3-FA4-FA5 > >-------------------------------------------------------- > > >3340 DIAGNOSTIC DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** >P/N=4247993 E.C.=571931 DIAGN.DISK. 4 > >-------------------------------------------------------- >CONTENTS, C11,C12,C14,C15,C17-FA0,C18,C19, > C1A,C1B,C1F >-------------------------------------------------------- > >Can anyone tell me what these are and what they were for? > >I realise that they were for diagnostics of some sort >and assume that the >**M.T.=5412** is probably a machine >type, but I am not familiar with IBM's >designation >numbers. > >At the bottom of the label is what I assume is a date in >the format >77/01/05 - if my assumption is correct then >these must be 30 years old. > >-- >Regards >Pete Someting else intresting about those disks: The "CONTENTS" section is actually a *directory*! Many IBM minis & mainframes that used FDD's did not have an FAT on the disk! The result: you had to provide the track & sector location on every disk access! a similar scheme was used in the prototypical (and unreleased) Commodore 900 workstation. ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, Okimate 20. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 3 months

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VAX 4000/VLC drive bracket?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

One of my VLC's is sans drive and I noticed that the bracket is different >from the one that M3100 uses. Does anyone have a spare? If so tell me what you'd like for it. BTW, Thanks Zane, I got VMS installing. I don't know what changed between 7.0 and 7.2 but I do know that 7.0 is going to be more complete than 5.2 :-). --Chuck

26 years, 3 months

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OT: The Drop Squad

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Ok... I'm sorry, but this is just too darned funny! www.dropsquad.com Trust me. Ok? Don't ask, just type it in. Keep the peace(es). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

26 years, 3 months

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Of course... a few more VMS questions... ;-)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>And one other question which I've not found or figured out myself... How do >I get a directory listing of *just the subdirectories*? I've figured out >how to search for a particular filename or extension recursively thru the >subdirectories, but what's the VMS equivalent to DOS's dir /ad or linux's >ls -lAF|grep '/$' ??? If you want to see the names of the directories, do DIR *.DIR Note that it's possible for a "regular" file to have a .DIR extension; if you want to tell the difference do a DIR/FULL one it and look to see if the "is a directory" attribute is on. If you want to see what's in the subdirectories, do DIR [.*] If you want to see what's in the subdirectories, and the directories below them, usw., do DIR [...] (The above gives you what's in your current directory too. Do a DIR [.*...] to see only what's below.) See, isn't that sweet? No funny flags to pass, nicely useful wildcarding, both signs of a truly CUSPy utility. Tim.

26 years, 3 months

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VAX on TV???

by wilson＠dbit.dbit.com

Did anyone else see this? Last night's episode of Just Shoot Me on NBC had a scene (watching surveillance tapes with a security guard) with what looked to me like a 780ish VAX in the background. Not like I would know, I don't get to see a lot of VAXes, but it was huge and featureless with a blue stripe across the top of the cabs. And what looked like some kind of top-loader on the left-hand side. Could be wrong, but I got a nice warm feeling anyway. I would expect to see this kind of thing showing up when the script says "cramped room with electronic equipment in background" ten years ago, but now? John Wilson D Bit

26 years, 3 months

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What to use as a substitute for the NCR5380??

by edick＠idcomm.com

Do any of you guys know of a code-compatible substitute for the NCR 5380 that's available currently? Dick

26 years, 3 months

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AOL Disks Collectable - why not?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/27/00 10:22:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kstumpf(a)unusual.on.ca writes: > Why not collect AOL memorabilia? The definition of a collectible (ideally) > is something that wasn't made to be collected, but through circumstance > began to appeal to people and people started collecting them. > > One man's treasure is another man's trash. You must admit those little > diskette packages were distinctive, ingenious packaging, and there were > many, many versions. These are good grounds for becoming a collectible. > > While they are not my cup'o tea, I hope those that can perhaps only collect > them, instead of systems, have fun. hmmm, i still have the apple version and pc version 1.5 still in their packages... hey, i betcha my aol version 2.5 beta tester coffee cup would bring in thousands of dollars! DB Young ICQ: 29427634 view the computers of yesteryear at http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm --You can lead a whore to Vassar, but you can't make her think--

26 years, 3 months

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IBM 8" Disks - What are they?

by peter＠joules0.demon.co.uk

Amongst the things which I saved from the skip I have 4 IBM 8" floppies, the labels say: MAP ENTRY DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** P/N=4410338 E.C.=571989 DIAGN.DISK. 1 -------------------------------------------------------- CONTENTS, 0D0-FFB-FFF-FD6-143-FC0,DD6,D44, FC2,DD9,C17-FA0,FA6,FA7 -------------------------------------------------------- STAND ALONE DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** P/N=4247991 E.C.=571931 DIAGN.DISK. 2 -------------------------------------------------------- CONTENTS, LDR-FC0,LD5-FA0,E0A -------------------------------------------------------- 3340 MICRO DIAGNOSTIC DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** P/N=4247992 E.C.=571989 DIAGN.DISK. 3 -------------------------------------------------------- CONTENTS, C16-FA1-FA2-FA3-FA4-FA5 -------------------------------------------------------- 3340 DIAGNOSTIC DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** P/N=4247993 E.C.=571931 DIAGN.DISK. 4 -------------------------------------------------------- CONTENTS, C11,C12,C14,C15,C17-FA0,C18,C19, C1A,C1B,C1F -------------------------------------------------------- Can anyone tell me what these are and what they were for? I realise that they were for diagnostics of some sort and assume that the **M.T.=5412** is probably a machine type, but I am not familiar with IBM's designation numbers. At the bottom of the label is what I assume is a date in the format 77/01/05 - if my assumption is correct then these must be 30 years old. -- Regards Pete

26 years, 3 months

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PKZips Phil Katz dead

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

<< > he wrote PKZIP, and within a year ARC was no longer the defacto standard for > BBS's. I believe the company that wrote ARC is now extinct. Serves them right. >> Hmm . . . I'm not sure I understand this point of view. Katz _stole_ the algorithm from ARC -- why shouldn't they sue? I was using ARC and PKZIP extensively back in '88-'89 and IIRC Katz reverse-engineered the ARC code in order to make his product work. If this happened to me I would lose my sense of humor very quickly . . . Glen 0/0

26 years, 3 months

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IBM 8" Disks - What are they?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>3340 MICRO DIAGNOSTIC DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** > >3340 DIAGNOSTIC DISKETTE **M.T.=5412** > >Can anyone tell me what these are and what they were for? I don't know about the others, but the IBM 3340 was the *original* Winchester drive. (Not "a" Winchester, but *The* Winchester.) >At the bottom of the label is what I assume is a date in the format >77/01/05 - if my assumption is correct then these must be 30 years old. The 3340 was rolled out in 1973, but they certainly were still in service in 1977, so that's consistent. I'm sure the floppies are still readable; I've read many 8" IBM 3740 floppies form the early 70's without a problem. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

26 years, 3 months

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Of course... a few more VMS questions... ;-)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>$ unzip :== $$2$dka500:[bin]unzip.exe >$ xfig == "@$2$DKA500:[BIN.XFIG32]XFIG.COM" >$ mxrn :== $$2$dka500:[bin]mxrn Actually, you might want to do a HELP DEFINE and learn how to set up logicals. Hard-coded device names scattered throughout a bunch of command files are a pain in the rear when you later move stuff between disks or consolidate disks. Wouldn't you rather say DISK$BIN: than $$2$dka500: ? On a small system the advantage may not be so obvious, but when you've got a medium-sized VMScluster (a couple dozen CPU's, a few hundred disks), especially with a mix of Alpha and VAX CPU's, it really pays off. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

26 years, 3 months

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Gene Sequencer at rummage shop in Seattle.

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>The most truly amazing surplus story I've ever heard was that of a fellow that >acquired a surplus Plutonium processing plant from INEL, up in Idaho. The >government managed to stop him from shipping it to India, but it was a close >thing. A close second was when the Air Force was auctioning off their never-used Vandenberg space shuttle launch pad and auxilluary equipment. Sure, it doesn't do you any good until you've got a shuttle to launch, but who here wouldn't want to say "We already got one" to this? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

26 years, 3 months

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Gene Sequencer at rummage shop in Seattle.

by Innfogra＠aol.com

One of my favorite surplus stories is when Intel sold us a new in the carton Cryogenic compressor as part of a large lot. It turns out it was a spare for the process line. Within a couple of weeks of us taking possession the main compressor failed. We sold it back for more than the price of the lot. We didn't soak them, we wanted more of their surplus. Someone in Seattle should go look at the "gene sequencer" and see what the Teletype is hooked up to. It could be a nice collectable. Paxton

26 years, 3 months

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Opening CP/M files (.asm/.bas)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Cp/M was a cross-platform operating system with several layers to provide >support for any platform for which the base functions of CP/M were >compiled. In other words, if your machine boots cp/m then you can run the >vast majority of CP/M programs. Some you won't. A good example of a >situation in which a program cannot run is if it takes advantage of >non-standard system calls to access the video subsystem. There are quite >a few of these programs but most are commercial such as CPT system >accounting, spreadsheet and word processing. The CPT had a very custom >full-page physical display. Well thats only true if unique BIOS calls or direct IO was done. If you used the standard BDOS calls then compatability was assured save for sillyness like terminal control sequences. The worst offenders for this were the modem programs as they needed speed and CPM could but often didn't have interrupt driven IO or IOBYTE implemented. >Probably the most important setting in CP/M is your terminal settings. >CP/M software will run on anything but does have to be informed as to what >termninal type (ie ADM3a, Soroc, Televideo, Etcetera) in order to operate >correctly. -- Often taken care of in the install program.

26 years, 3 months

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AOL Disks Collectable - why not?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Hi, I'm Doug and I collect AOL disks. Well, not really, but I do have >*one*. AOL actually produced a disk that was labeled "collector's >edition". I found it so funny that I saved it -- sort of a self-fulfilling >prophecy.... I use AOL, Earthlink and CS cdroms for things like IE4.01 as cdrom and there are other items buried on them like patches and infamous SPn kits from MS with security fixes. I don't however collect them as collectables and teh excess are cut up as sun catchers. ;) Allison

26 years, 3 months

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AOL Disks Collectable

by paulrsm＠ameritech.net

---------- > From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: AOL Disks Collectable > Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 09:01 PM > > Someone mind explaining what possible reason *ANYONE* could have for wanting > to collect AOL disks! I actually do have a set of AOL disks I am keeping. It installs the old GeoWorks desktop instead of using Windows. I do not know if I will ever use them, though. Paul R. Santa-Maria Ann Arbor, Michigan USA paulrsm(a)ameritech.net

26 years, 3 months

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Can a Mac Portable battery be "trickle charged"?

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

Hi. I've recently acquired an original Macintosh Portable, without any of the accompanying paraphenalia, most notably the AC adapter. I'm currently hunting for a PowerBook 1xx adapter, which I'm told is usable with the Portable, but in the meantime, I'm looking for other ways to fire up this new Mac to check it out. According to the specs, the Portable AC adapter is 1.5 amps at 7.5 volts, center positive. I have one of those "universal" AC adapters that can do 7.5 V, but only 300 mA. If I plug in this adapter to the Portable, will the internal battery eventually obtain a usable charge (assuming it's not totally dead, as so many are)? Any suggestions gratefully received. Mark Gregory

26 years, 3 months

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Opening CP/M files (.asm/.bas)

by ernestls＠home.com

I have an Apple II with a Z80 card, and lots of CP/M disks for it but I'm having a problem opening the .ASM and .BAS files. I thumbed through a book on both Mbasic and CP/M but neither of these books clearly describe how to work with these files. The Mbasic books says to open Mbasic, and at the "OK" prompt type RUN "B:MAINT.BAS" (for example)but when I do that, it gives me a "Direct Statement in file" message, and then it goes back to the "OK" prompt. I don't have a clue how to work with the .ASM files -like SUPRTRK3.ASM or BLKFRI2.ASM. I can see that they are games by typing TYPE SUPRTRK3.ASM but the text flies by so fast that I can't see much else. I have a lot of disks that have nothing but .BAS and .ASM files so any help that you can give me would be appreciated. Also, I have one disk that has a single large file called PILOTA.LST. What do I do with that? Thanks for your help. Ernest

26 years, 3 months

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Of course... a few more VMS questions... ;-)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>> That is, DIR <...> ? > >Can I be curious? I left off I think (1988) before angle brackets >came in to existence, or at least in use at my office. They're compatible with the more conventional "[" and "]" brackets for specifying directories in VMS. The general concensus seems to be that they were put in so folks migrating from TOPS-20 (where angle brackets are the standard way of specifying directories) would be more comfortable. Tim.

26 years, 3 months

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AOL Disks Collectable

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) may have mentioned these words: >Why collect AOL disks? >Because, at least for the older ones before they switched to CD, they are >easier to reformat than beenie babies or Pokemon cards. I don't think so... I can reformat beenie babies & Pokemon cards *very* easily! You just need the right equipment.[1] Come to think of it, I can even reformat AOL CD's with the same equipment! Roger "Merch" Merchberger [1] The right equipment in this case being a Chainsaw... ;-) -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

26 years, 3 months

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Gene Sequencer at rummage shop in Seattle.

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 09:54 AM 4/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >A few days ago, I walked into a no-name rummage shop, on Pine and Summit in >Seattle, and found a large Gene Sequencer, with attached teletype, ... > ... like from the late sixties-early seventies (just a guess.) The interesting thing for this list is that often times there is a classic computer "buried" inside these things. If its late sixties it could be a PDP-8, if it is early 70s it could be a PDP-11. Or a Honeywell 160, etc etc. Why not go back, try to follow the teletype connections back to the innards and see what is inside. --Chuck

26 years, 3 months

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Of course... a few more VMS questions... ;-)

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Allison wrote: >> Roger Ivie wrote: >> > >> > $ dir *.? >> > %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special characters >> > \?\ >> > $ >> >> That's interesting. Do angle brackets still work in directory specs? >> That is, DIR <...> ? > >No. Huh? Angle brackets certainly do still work: $ DIR/GRAND/SIZ=ALL <...> Grand total of 7342 directories, 128634 files, 9436890/9477680 blocks. > The ? may be a holdover from earlier RSTS, RSX and RT11. Huh? Booting into RT-11, I find that the CSI won't even take "?"'s on a command line: Starting system from DU3 RT-11ZM (S) V05.07 .DIR ??????.??? ?KMON-F-Invalid command In RT-11 the single-charcter wildcard is "%". A similar error message comes from RSX, where the single-character wildcard is "%" as well. I don't know too much about RSTS (as opposed to RSTS/E). The only PDP-11 operating system I know that uses "?" for single-character wildcarding is XXDP (if you want to call it an OS...) DOS-11 might take it too. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

26 years, 3 months

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RCA Cosmac Dev. System IV update

by dogas＠leading.net

From: allisonp(a)world.std.com <allisonp(a)world.std.com> > >I'd love to get a copy of the 18s801 floppy interface schematic if you >have it. > >Allison Do you want a schematic of the Parallel I/O board CDP18s646 (got that,) I don't have one for the CDP18S801 floppy system that I do have and the manual for the (FDS II I think) CDP18S805 floppy system dosent have much in the way of schematics, except....a schematic of CDP18S813 (the disk interface module for the CDP18S005 CDS) Will any of that help? Cheers - Mike

26 years, 3 months

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RCA Dev System IV another update...

by dogas＠leading.net

From: technoid(a)cheta.net <technoid(a)cheta.net> >Excellent. What are the specs on the machine or do you know yet? The options installed in the machine are listed at: http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/cosmac/cosmac.htm It's an 1802 microprocessor based system (of course) with 60K of ram, 15 slot (Microboard buss) "card nest", rom( ut21 utilities/monitor), parallel&serial i/o interfaces, integrated ascii keyboard and crt, extertnal dual 8" floppies (CDP18S801), and ports that tightly link in an external Micromonitor (CDP18S030) microprocessor ICE unit. CDOS, The disk based operating system has (I'm looking for) programs for full screen editing program and various levels of interpreters/compilers for Basic, Assembler, Pascal, etc... I found a source for the PLM compiler and MOPS (the Micromonitor Operating System) so the machine won't be completlely without software soon and I can already now hand assemble stuff and poke it in through the the ut21 monitor ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

26 years, 3 months

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RCA Cosmac Dev. System IV update

by dogas＠leading.net

I got everything cleaned up and after a scary session adjusting the horizontal hold near the hot end of the CRT, booted it into CDOS 4.1. The CDP18S801 Floppy Drive System (RCA Cosmac badged but from Pertec) is run off the parallel card of the computer. That seems to make them maybe portable across different systems. I can't do much with the machine however because all the disks that I have for it although bootable, don't have any of the other CDOS files. They all contain what appears to be EPROM dump files. Does anyone have any software for this system? God, I hope so... ;) - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

26 years, 3 months

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RCA Dev System IV another update...

by dogas＠leading.net

The machine isn't the lame duck that I first thought. I just finished reading the UT21 Utility Commands There's a great monitor down there with easy disk access and a "bios (including uart)" Woo Hoo! It beckons... ;) - Mike: dogas@leading,net

26 years, 3 months

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Can a Mac Portable battery be "trickle charged"?

by John.Honniball＠uwe.ac.uk

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:26:15 +0100 (BST) Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Tell me about it :-). I've never managed to recover a lead-acid battery > that's been discharged and then left -- there's no 'zapping'-type trick > that works. If anyone has any ideas on recovery methods, I'd be > interested to hear them. I have a World-War-II era book called "Accumulator Charging", which goes into some detail on lead-acid batteries. I expect it'll say what to do, but it may also assume that you're willing and able to dismantle the battery, fix it and then reassemble -- in the case of a 12V battery, repeat for all six cells! I'll dig out the book and take a look -- I won't be able to supply an ISBN, though, because it's too old for that sort of thing! -- John Honniball Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk University of the West of England

26 years, 3 months

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Kind-of OT (but interesting): Raymond Scott

by af-list＠wfi-inc.com

There is a 2 CD compilation of Raymond Scott's electronic works (from the 50's and 60's) being released, which can be had before the official release date through raymondscott.com. Thought there'd be more than a few people on this list interested - my copy's on it's way. If you don't remember who he is, he's the guy who wrote all that cool Warner Brother's cartoon music, like Powerhouse and Dinner Music for a Pack of Hungry Cannibals. For those not interested in experimental electronic music (and to stay slightly on topic for the list), he inadvertantly contributed to computers as well with several patents on magnetic tape positioning equipment and sound generators. I know that IBM, HP, Atari, and others used his ideas in their own designs, sometimes years after he implemented them. Cheers, Aaron

26 years, 3 months

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Of course... a few more VMS questions... ;-)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Okay... I'm getting accustomed to the VMS directory structure, and have Dir dka0:[000000...] ;) >even installed a few apps from one of the CD's, which (of course) failed >the tail-end of the install due to my not having a DECUS membership number >yet (pending) or VMS hobbyist license (also pending, and will get right >after DECUS gets back to me.) Not failed, just not licensed. >Now, will that license be good for anything I install as far as software, >or will I have to get a license for every type of program I want to run? (I >sincerely hope the former... ;-) Mainly, I just want to do some C and >BASIC programming for now. that license covers a set of programs that happens to be on the hobbiest CD including C, Pascal, TCP/IP networking and a bunch of other things. VMS itself includes a fairly nice editor (TPU) and a raft of goodies. With DCL (command language{script}) you can do most anything. >And one other question which I've not found or figured out myself... How do >I get a directory listing of *just the subdirectories*? I've figured out >how to search for a particular filename or extension recursively thru the >subdirectories, but what's the VMS equivalent to DOS's dir /ad or linux's >ls -lAF|grep '/$' ??? {there are lexical functions in DCL with would do things that grep can do} Dir *.dir works! Directories have the extension .DIR. Dir [...]foo*.asm Will find anything in the current or subordinate directories that match that pattern. Dir [-]FOO??.A?M A ? is a single character wild card and the "[-]" says search the directory level above the current one. VMS directories start at [000000] and decend from there. so dir dka300:[000000] will get you the top level directoy of the SCSI drive on bus A with ID 3. Help dir will get you info. VMS is known for the rather rich set of operators that modify the basic action. My favorite device modifier... Set device=flamethrower/temperature:plasma You get the picture. I have a list of DCL functions, ailiases, and logicals that I use to make things friendlier. Most often used are: UP same as SET DEF [-] {cd ..} DO*WN decend to either list of availabile directories or create a new one. {only one level down from current} same asCD FOO or mkdir At some point once I have a web page going I should make the DCL scripts I use frequently available as they can be handy. No law says you can't create a ailias to do exactly what MKDIR, CD, REMDIR and friends do in the unix world. Implement them in DCL and insert the code/defs in the login.com file. Hint, system is a dangerous account like root. Create a user account with some privs as a safety net. Also every account should have a login.com which is like a DOS autoexec.bat though DCL is more powerful. Allison

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sgi.pi

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 27, 13:08, Scott Hall wrote: > Thanks for the reply, Mark. This PI is on circa 1994 Irix 5.3. Nope, > this cut of Blender is IrisGL, so I don't think that's it. > > Certain stock Irix 5.3 demos don't work. Launching the MahJong is fine, > so is the flight sim. Launching the mandelbrot fractal maker is a no > go--says 24-bit is needed. The Porsche driving sim. comes up but puts > up an error message that says "gconfig: not enough bitplanes for RGB > mode." Some of the demos are intended specifically to show off capabilities, or demonstrate how to program, the 24-bit or Z-buffered systems, so I wouldn't expect them all to work or even compile on an entry-level graphics system (if you only have entry-level graphics, some of the headers and libraries will not be there). > Mark Green wrote: > > > > > A student of mine has a circa 1990 SGI Personal Iris with GR1.2 > > > > graphics--apparently less than 8-bit. He wants to run Blender on > > it > > > > <www.blender.nl> and he'll need at least 8-bit graphics to do > > that. > > > > > > Anybody have a PI graphics board that's 8-bit or better to give or > > sell > > > to him? > > > > > > > There's something wrong here. I know of no SGI with less > > than 8 bits of graphics, all the PIs have at least 8 bit > > graphics, and most of them have 24. So the problem must > > be somewhere else. Mark is right: GR1.2 is 8-bit. Some GR1.2 boards are apparently upgradable to TG (the next level), if the big chip in the middle is socketed rather than soldered (you replace it with a TG piggyback board). I *think* all versions can be upgraded to 24-bit. Whether you'd find an upgrade now is another matter, of course. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

26 years, 3 months

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Opening CP/M files (.asm/.bas)

by KB9VU＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/27/00 09:54:59 Central Daylight Time, ernestls(a)home.com writes: > These disks were produced by an old CP/M user group, and they are labeled by > disk number (5a, 5b, 28a, 28b for example,) and they are a confusing mess. > Some of the programs have files scattered between numerous disks, mixed in > with bits and pieces of other programs. Sheesh. It's going to take some > time to sort this headache out. I must be out of my mind. > > Ernest If the old CPMUG is still functioning (I think it is), get a copy of their catalog. Most of the public domain stuff was in that data base at one time. I bought some disks from them in 1996 so I know they were still around them. There was a CPMUG on Compuserve also. Try that bunch for sure as they had several folks knowledgable in CP/M 2.2 and CP/M 3.0. Good Luck. Mike

26 years, 3 months

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Another VaxStation 3100 revisited...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>I have a bajangle[1] of VMS CD's (from a friend) but only one boots >(labeled VMS 7.1 Binaries)... It seems to boot VMS (for the very little >I've ever seen of VMS -- Why didn't I pay attention over the last few >years... ;-) but it's a very stripped VMS as the only command that seems to >exist is the "b" command, which seems to invoke some form of backup command >that can take a "/IMAGE" parameter that I can't seem to get working... Ok I don't have the paper handy but thats the disk you want. the bootable image is standalone backup and is used to copy and start the real install. >Does VMS install from a backup type file, or do I not have any actual >install CD's? Yes, from a backup. Sounds like you have the right disk. All you needs is a license and instructions. The license see the DECUS.org site for and also check Montagar.com as they supply a $30 VMS 7.1 cd for those that don't have. >BTW, main disk is DKA0, subdisk is DKA200, floppy is DKA500, and CDROM is >DKB400. Ok... DKAnnn means SCSI A disk 0->7 as in 0, 100, 200...700. DKBnnn is the second scsi bus. The typical drive IDs are any other than 6 (thats the vax). What device is the default boot is based on a SET command. You can have no default set in which case it powers up to the system command prompt, making and addressable device (disk, tape, network) bootable using the correct >>> B {device}. >Ultrix seems to run fine from DKA200, but seems kinda slow... (of course, >this is in comparison to running Linux on a dual-processor P2-350 w/256Meg >RAM, but in these days of instant gratification... ;-) Well keeping mind the 3100 you have was fast when 386dx33s and 486DX33s were the hot stuff. You'll find that in some ways it's faster than that dual P350! Just load it down and then ask it do do a directory... >BTW, when the machine boots (to the ROM monitor) I get the F...E...D... >etc.. with all dots until it gets to (IIRC, machine home, me work): > >3_..2_..1?.. > >and then spits out what appears to be a memory address. Ethernet's not Fairly normal selftest (like PC post). There is a list somewhere for wehat that means. Also the boot monitor has a fairly long list of commands for doing things like INITing disks and such. Check some of the links at the NetBSD VAX-port area. The 3100 series is pretty popular and lots of them around. >hooked up -- any chance one of those is the network interface saying >"Hello... Anybody out there?" and any speculation as if the machine might >have some heartburn? Yes, Sounds like that one has the ESA0 (eithernet) set to boot using DEC MOP protocal. Yes, once VMS is on it you can have that one MOP load another(or even install to it!)! Allison

26 years, 3 months

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New COSMAC stiff amd a VaxStation offer

by mranalog＠home.com

"Mike" <dogas(a)leading.net> said: > Wow. UPS just delivered and opening the boxes was better than sex. = > Newly aquired: a complete COSMAC Development System IV. =20 > > Check out:=20 > http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/cosmac/cosmac.htm > > Included with the pile were also about 65 original RCA documents = > covering Cosmac systems and options (that are listed in the above URL.) = > If anyone needs any related into looked up or copied... Mike, I just wanted to publicly, that this is damn nice of you to offer this information. I've been able to find plenty of information on all of my ELF computers, but the development systems is another story. I'll do the rest of my groveling offline. :) --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog(a)home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ====================================================

26 years, 3 months

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VAX 11/730 available

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

There is a VAX 11/730 available in Minneapolis. Obviously i'm not shipping it, or having anything to do with it. if you want it, and can come tpick it up in minneapolis, i can put you in contact with the person who has it. Otherwise, i will of course attempt to grab any useful boards and such before it goes to the recyclers. At that time, i would then post what is available to the list. -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

26 years, 3 months

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Details on Apollo Workstation (Ottawa) - Also Intergraph station & screen, DEC, etc..

by charp＠bitflash.com

Ok, here are the details for as much as I could figure them out (I am not too terribly familiar with the Apollo). It is an Apollo series 400, manufactured 9-14-90. This is an operational unit. The keyboard and screen (big) are present. There is a tape unit behind the front bay door. The backplane has tons of connectors, notably: - Lan - Parallel - SCSI - Thin Lan - RS-232 - Video board: A1416A (BNC RGB connectors) There are actually 2 screens close to this machine. The HP that I assume came with the unit, but there also is an Intergraph screen as a companion to a working Intergraph workstation.. All are in working order. I have no idea of the size of the the hard disk on the Apollo. I could investigate further if you are interested. This unit is sitting in a computer recycling building. It bears a price tag of $50 (canadian). The Intergraph is in the same price range. ---------------- The back of this building has a lot of big iron stuff. DEC, Honeywell, etc... There are some hard disk assemblies the size of a coffee table. Tons of packed and wrapped Gandalf chassis & communications equipment (Gandalf recently ceased activities in Ottawa - their stock obviously ended up in this warehouse.). Saw a number of MicroVax servers & workstations. Tons of Sparc workstations and cubes... Couple of fridge-size tape units. Cases of VAX-looking circuit boards. Most of the stuff looks in working order. There was a Silicon Graphics system there 2 days ago. Gone today... of course. And the list goes on. The stuff does not stay there very long. It ends up in a smleter for chmical and metal separation. Frederic

26 years, 3 months

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Focal Manual

by djg＠drs-esg.com

I have one on my web site http://www.pdp8.net/lang/index.shtml This is for the PS/8 Focal which also runs under OS/8 but is a little different in file operations than the Focal in the PDP-8 programming handbook. Scanning the programming handbook has been on the todo list for a while. I think the paper tape version should be a subset of this. The System User's Guide for PDP-8/I PDP-8/L and PDP-8 PDP-8/S PDP-5 also has a section on Focal. It seems to be missing from highgate so I have put it in http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~djg/ It appears that all the other links don't work any more but this page is only a temporary home until things get moved to the correct location. Looks like I need to check the highgate collection against mine to see what else didn't make it. David Gesswein

26 years, 3 months

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Looking for TU56/Trade

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

My search continues for a TU56. If anybody knows where I can find one, I have many DEC and non-DEC items available for trade. I am also looking for 5 G-888 modules to fill out the empty spaces on my TC11. Thanks to all in advance, Brian.

26 years, 3 months

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Packard Bell dead?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/26/00 12:54:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, technoid(a)cheta.net writes: > I keep hearing rumors that Packard Bell is out of business. As a tech I > can say I haven't seen any really new ones in a while. Never a PB PII or > K6-2 machine. Whats the deal? Thier website is up and makes no mention > of any trouble. they were bought up by NEC IIRC. i did see some PB models a few months ago when i did onsite warranty work. to their credit, the latest models were standard ATX form factor machines, but still cheaply made. DB Young ICQ: 29427634 view the computers of yesteryear at http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm --You can lead a whore to Vassar, but you can't make her think--

26 years, 3 months

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Hunting

by at258＠osfn.org

Today we received a donation of a lot of odds and ends, but a nice Wang VS-15 with some very large archiver chassis, a 2593 cabinet and boxes of manuals, especially for PACE. Also a Televideo server, PM-N4? or similar number and a Televideo terminal. A number of derelict PC's, mostly good for parts, etc. Next month we go to Canada to get a Burroughs system.

26 years, 3 months

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PDP-10 yellow pages

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 26, 14:12, Pat Barron wrote: > I've decided that, as soon as I can get a scanner and a copy of Adobe > Acrobat 4.0 (i.e., the full version, not just the reader), I'm going to > cut the pages out of the binding on my copy and scan it in. It breaks my > heart to do that, but the paper is deteriorating really badly, and it's > not going to last all that much longer anyway. You won't be the first to do that, and in the long run, it's probably the kindest thing to do to it if you do it properly. Before you do, though, take a look at http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/book/index.html -- if you've not already seen it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

26 years, 3 months

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VAXstation 4000VLC

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

Hey, that sounds like a really neat idea! I recently picked up 5 VLC units and would love to do something similar. Would you mind if I tried to piggy-back off your efforts? -- Tony > ---------- > From: Zane H. Healy[SMTP:healyzh@aracnet.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 2:34 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: VAXstation 4000VLC > > On the topic of VAXstations, does anyone one the list have experience with > hacking VLC's and or LCD's? I'm wondering how feasable it would be to > hook > an LCD display up to a VLC, and if it would be possible with off the shelf > hardware. > > The other alternative I'm thinking of would be to pickup a cheap laptop, > load Linux/X-Windows on it, and use it as an intelligent X-Terminal. > > At this point, you're probably asking, what on Earth am I trying to do. > Well, I've decided I want a VAX "Laptop", and while I really doubt I can > have it battery powered I want to see what I can do starting with a VLC as > the base. I figure as long as I can get the final product about the size > of an old Toshiba 5200 I'm on the right track. Of course I'm also > thinking > that if I can find the time to do this and do it right I'll have to build > my own case for all the guts of the pieces. > > If nothing else a VLC and a Laptop used as a terminal should make a nice > small easily portable VAX. I figure I'll initially try this out with my > Mac PowerBook 540c since it's got built in ethernet and I can run eXodus > on > it for DECwindows support. However, as the 540c is only 640x480 I figure > it's only good for a couple Mac telnet windows or a DECterm via X. > > Anyone have any ideas? I hope to start in on this next weekend, but it > will depend on how soon the VLC I just bought for this takes to get here. > > As for the why, well, why not :^) > > Zane > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | > | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | > | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | >

26 years, 3 months

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PDP-10 yellow pages

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>> Anyone ever hear of a manual refered to as the PDP-10 yellow pages? > >Yes, any of the PDP-10 Handbooks. They were printed on roughly phone-book >grade paper that may have been slightly yellow to start with, but has >definitely yellowed more with age. Also referred to as "phone books". that and also one o fthe manuals had a yellow cover, I believe it was this programming manual. Allison

26 years, 3 months

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OT: WTB: Mac II Monitor Cable

by kla＠helios.augustana.edu

Sorry to bother you folks, but all local sources are turning up negative. You might recall a few weeks back I reported that my son was given a Mac LC II computer for free, sans monitor. Well, now we were given a monitor, but it lacks, sure enough, the DB-15 cable to connect it to the computer. The world here in the Midwest seems to be solid into the PC world, with tons of SVGA cables, including at stores that formerly sold Apple products. Where can I get a replacement Mac monitor cable? Thanks. Kevin Anderson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kevin L. Anderson Ph.D., Geography Department, Augustana College Rock Island, Illinois 61201-2296, USA phone: (309) 794-7325 e-mail: kla(a)helios.augustana.edu -or- gganderson(a)augustana.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Opinions expressed here are my own and do not represent the administration of Augustana College.

26 years, 3 months

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Collectors from Holland & India please contact me...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 26, 16:09, John Honniball wrote: > I've heard the area around Cambridge, UK, referred to as > "Silicon Fen". The Fens are a low-lying area of > countryside near Cambridge. > > Also, in Scotland there's "Silicon Glen". Somewhere near > Edinburgh, I think. Possibly referring to the HP works > there. It's actually the area around Glenrothes, on the other side of the River Forth (and parties on both sides would be offended to be confused with the other :-)). There used to be (still are?) lots of electronics companies around there -- though HP is in South Queensferry, near Edinburgh, not in Silicon Glen. The most famous Glenrothes company I can think of is (er, was) Rodime. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

26 years, 3 months

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WTB: Mac II Monitor Cable

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/26/00 12:34:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbmcb(a)hotmail.com writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin L. Anderson" <kla(a)helios.augustana.edu> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:44 AM > Subject: OT: WTB: Mac II Monitor Cable > > > > Sorry to bother you folks, but all local sources > > are turning up negative. > > > > You might recall a few weeks back I reported that my son > > was given a Mac LC II computer for free, sans monitor. > > > > Well, now we were given a monitor, but it lacks, sure enough, > > the DB-15 cable to connect it to the computer. > > > > The world here in the Midwest seems to be solid into the PC > > world, with tons of SVGA cables, including at stores that formerly > > sold Apple products. > > > > Where can I get a replacement Mac monitor cable? > > Thanks. Kevin Anderson its just a 15 pin straight wired cable. i think dalco.com carries the cable, but since an IBM joystick extender cable seems to be the same thing, wouldnt that work? DB Young ICQ: 29427634 view the computers of yesteryear at http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/museum.htm --You can lead a whore to Vassar, but you can't make her think--

26 years, 3 months

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Collectors from Holland & India please contact me...

by dastar＠siconic.com

Someone writing an article for Playboy magazine wants to interview someone from Holland and India (specifically mentioned cities: Amsterdam and Bangalore) about their local computer culture. Please e- mail me directly <sellam(a)vintage.org> if you perhaps want to be interviewed. Also, she would like information about the different locations around the world trying to model their local high tech economy around the Silicon Valley, and calling themselves "Silicon <something>", ie. Silicon Corridor, Silicon Gulch, etc. If your local high tech community is referred to as the "Silicon <whatever>" and you can talk a bit about it then please contact me <sellam(a)vintage.org> and I'll pass your info along to her. Thanks! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

26 years, 3 months

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Opening CP/M files (.asm/.bas)

by gpine＠gri.org

It's been a long time since I used my Apple II with CP/M, but I'll give you the dubious benefit of my decaying knowledge of the subject. First, I don't see anything obviously wrong with what you're doing to try to run the basic program. I don't remember the exact syntax, but I assume that you've got that correct from the MBasic book. As far as the ASM files are concerned, you should be able to use your EDIT program, which should be on your CP/M boot disk to look at the files in a somewhat more leisurely manner that allowed by using TYPE. For that matter, any editor that you may have that can display ASCII files (Wordstar in the "non-document" mode, for example) can be used to examine the files. I don't know what assembler you have with the Apple CP/M disks, but you should have at least ASM, the 8080 assembler, and perhaps M80 as well. I'm not an assembly language programmer, but if you can find an old reference on assembly language programming under CP/M, it should tell you the steps necessary to compile, link (to libraries), and run the programs. You may even already have the executable files ready to run. Look on the disk for a file with the same name as for the ASM files, but with a .com extension. I hope this helps get you started. "Ernest" <ernestls(a)home.com> on 04/26/2000 11:08:32 AM Please respond to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org cc: (bcc: Gerald Pine/GRI) Subject: Opening CP/M files (.asm/.bas) I have an Apple II with a Z80 card, and lots of CP/M disks for it but I'm having a problem opening the .ASM and .BAS files. I thumbed through a book on both Mbasic and CP/M but neither of these books clearly describe how to work with these files. The Mbasic books says to open Mbasic, and at the "OK" prompt type RUN "B:MAINT.BAS" (for example)but when I do that, it gives me a "Direct Statement in file" message, and then it goes back to the "OK" prompt. I don't have a clue how to work with the .ASM files -like SUPRTRK3.ASM or BLKFRI2.ASM. I can see that they are games by typing TYPE SUPRTRK3.ASM but the text flies by so fast that I can't see much else. I have a lot of disks that have nothing but .BAS and .ASM files so any help that you can give me would be appreciated. Also, I have one disk that has a single large file called PILOTA.LST. What do I do with that? Thanks for your help. Ernest

26 years, 3 months

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Focal manual online?

by kla＠helios.augustana.edu

I've managed to get the PDP-8 emulator running on one of my computers (the Sun box at school here took it with no problem; my Linux box at home is still not dealing with the keyboard correctly....). One program I loaded was Focal. However, I don't know beans about Focal, other than that I know it is an interpretive language of some sort developed by DEC. Is there a scanned Focal manual online anywhere? Thanks. Cheers, Kevin Anderson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kevin L. Anderson Ph.D., Geography Department, Augustana College Rock Island, Illinois 61201-2296, USA phone: (309) 794-7325 e-mail: kla(a)helios.augustana.edu -or- gganderson(a)augustana.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Opinions expressed here are my own and do not represent the administration of Augustana College.

26 years, 3 months

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Apple A/D + D/A

by wrm＠ccii.co.za

Hi all I scrounged a Mountain Computer Inc A/D + D/A card, Apple ][ form factor. No manual, no software :-( Preliminary inspection: R8, R11, R15 and R22 are missing (I assume these are 10T pots). Also U1, U5, U6. So, tell me more... what can I do with this card (1 channel in and 1 channel out)? Frequency? What software do I need? What are the missing chips, and resistor values? Hey, and while I'm axing questions :-) Anybody out there with Elektor for Feb 89? I have a set of PCBs that claim to be a MOSFET amp, EPS87096, not a computer but within the 10 year rule :-) Seeya all Wouter

26 years, 3 months

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Where has everybody gone?

by foxnhare＠jps.net

> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:31:33 -0700 > From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> > Subject: Re: Where has everybody gone? > > >>>> Is anybody out there? > >>>> > >>>> Frederic Charpentier > >>> > >>> Didn't you get a notice, the list was purchased by MicroSoft. > >> > >> That's a *dirty* thing to say, man. > >> > >> -Dave McGuire > >> > >Disgusting . . . . but not unlikely! > > > >I will give up my Amiga only when Bill Gates pries my cold dead fingers from > >around the keyboard and mouse . . . . . > > You didn't get your manditory Windows 2000 upgrade notice either? Yep, starting 'real soon now' the list will be sent in Word 2000 format. Better upgrade! I myself have been busy hopping up my Commodore 64 BBS with a 14.4k modem interface and Super CPU 20 Mghz accellerator (still got a way to go...) -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

26 years, 3 months

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VAX FORTRAN RX50 disks, need a new home.

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

I found these 3 disks in my storage area. I haven't a clue as to where they came from. They are in a plastic DIGITAL diskette storage case and appear to have never been used. The first $5.00 takes them, shipping included. Please email me off list if you are interested. I'll post to the list when they are spoken for. Also, if I don't reply to your email message, it means someone got there ahead of you and they've already been nabbed. I'm totally VAX ignorant, so I'm just going to list what's on the diskette labels: BL-CJ52H-BE 091880 VAX FORTRAN V4.6 BIN RX50 1/2 FORT046 FORT01 BL-CJ53H-BE 091881 VAX FORTRAN V4.6 BIN RX50 2/2 FORT046 FORT02 BL-CJ54-BE 091882 VAX FORTRAN V4.6 BIN RX50 1/1 FHLP046 FHLP01 Bill Dawson whdawson(a)mlynk.com <mailto:whdawson@mlynk.com> ?

26 years, 3 months

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IBM 3725 In Central Illinois

by dlinder＠uiuc.edu

List, There is an IBM 3725 available in Champaign/Urbana Illinois at a local scrapper. It is large, blue, and runs on three phase (as far as I could tell). Please let me know if anyone is interested in saving it. No docs, no media, no nothing... Just a large heavy blue computer. I certainly have neither the space nor the juice to house this beast. I'm also quite interested in what it is. Thanks for your replies, and please email if you have an interest in the system. - Dan Linder / dlinder(a)uiuc.edu / upside(a)mcs.net - - Riot sounds start riots. / keep talking... -

26 years, 3 months

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PDP flip-chips

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>I have bucketloads of later FlipChips (M series, some later G series) >that I don't really need, but I guess you don't really need them either. >I also have a stack of system modules - I should see if that PDP-5 guy >needs any (and should probably check to see if I need any for my machines). If not that it would be fun to take a handful wire them up to something trivial but operational, say a counter or pseudo random number generator. Allison

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PDP flip-chips

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I have a lot of M (Maroon) flip chips, with IC's on them. I have a fair number of G (Green) flip chips with transistor logic, and I have only a few of the types you mention below: R002 Diode Cluster 2 flip chips R107 Inverter 2 flip chips R111 Diode Gate 2 flip chips R602 Pulse Amp 2 flip chips B134 Diode Gate 4 flip chips B152 ? 2 flip chips B683 50 Ohm Or Bus Driver 6 flip chips -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu > What kind of FlipChips? I need the older ones (R, S, B, W) for a gutted > LINC-8. I have some PDP-8/e stuff left, if that interests you. > > William Donzelli > aw288(a)osfn.org >

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OT: Jagermeister [was: Re: VCF Europa & My Appearance at Oxford]

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>Oh christ. > >One of my cars gets wrenched on by the guy who >maintains the Jaegermeister >934; one of the perks (or >perhaps a prerequisite) of the job appears to be >an >endless supply of Jagermeister and related banners, >glasses and the >like. There's a Jagermeister shrine of >sorts in one corner of the shop, >consisting of cases of >the stuff, a dedicated refrigerator filled with it, > >assorted dirty glasses and a 55-gallon drum which is >usually overflowing >with empty Jagermeister bottles >(which is a staggering sight). > >Every time I collect my car after one of its multi->month sojourns in this >shop there's an obligatory >ritual of being offered a shot of this stuff >for the >road because, and I quote, "...it's completely >harmless...", an >assertion I find (literally) difficult >to swallow given that the stuff >seems to be composed of >equal parts herbal cough syrup and Draino. > >-- >Chris Kennedy >chris(a)mainecoon.com >http://www.mainecoon.com >PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97 Harmless!?!?!? I don't see how that stuff is harmless! I don't know if you know this, but Jagermeister has a certain little opiate in it (I'm not kidding!) that makes you extremely violent. (If you've had too much, that is.) ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, Okimate 20. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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New COSMAC stiff amd a VaxStation offer

by dogas＠leading.net

Wow. UPS just delivered and opening the boxes was better than sex. Newly aquired: a complete COSMAC Development System IV. Check out: http://users.leading.net/~dogas/classiccmp/cosmac/cosmac.htm Included with the pile were also about 65 original RCA documents covering Cosmac systems and options (that are listed in the above URL.) If anyone needs any related into looked up or copied... And... I've now driven approx. 500 miles and spent alot of time diging for parts to get my VaxStation 3100 running (unsuccessfully.) I have other toys screaming for my time (reference above) so I therefore propose this trade: All I want is a harddrive with VMS( and DECwindows ) and a C compiler that I can just install in my machine to plug and play. In exchange for this pre-loaded harddrive, I'll trade an internal DEC CD-ROM (and controller card for the 3100,) an internal DEC TZ30, an external RRD40 CD-ROM, and 2 VaxStation 3100's for parts. Hell, I'll through in a BA11-KE crate (minus the power supply) if you want one too.... Thanks - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Netscape on Solaris 2.4

by technoid＠cheta.net

I have Solaris 2.4 (or Sunos 5.4 or whatever they are calling it this week) on my Sparcstation 330. The architecture is SUN4 as opposed to Sun4m or Sun4u etc.... The openboot prom is the old style so no 'OK' message, just a wedge (>). I have installed Netscape and get the following message when I execute it. # ./netscape xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Error: Can't open display: :0.0 Other programs such as ADMINTOOL run fine. I can ping and have name services over my lan via a default router (192.168.0.3) and ftp'd Netscape onto the machine from ftp.netscape.com so I know things are working. The installation gave me a completion messages without snags. What more do I need to do? Thanks all Technoid

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Altair 680 software

by charp＠bitflash.com

Hi, Does someone have a copy of the old paper tapes containing the resident editor/assembler and/or the Basic interpreter for the Altair 680? Both were bundled with the 16K memory boards. Thanks in advance, Frederic

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Shugart 851 power problem

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>#2 Power up the IMSAI box: >At the drives: > 5 volt line reads 1.2 > -5 volt line reads -0.9 > 24 volt line reads 2.6 >and (needless to say) the drives don't work. The Cromemco >ROM monitor gives all sorts of errors trying to access them. >... >[And other times when you power it on things are fine] >... >What gives? Does this make sense to anybody out there? It looks to me like one or more of the stepper motor phases are shorted (or their drivers are shorted) by garbage signals that come over the 50-pin Shugart interface from the IMSAI when it's powered on. Garbage signals are a fact of life, and the circuitry on the drives shouldn't respond in such an awful way to them. Two things to do: 1. Ohm out the stepper motors looking for shorted phases. 2. Check the driver transistors on the 851's. If any are hot when the problem occurs, it's almost certainly related. It's not impossible that the circuitry that drives the driver transistors is screwed up, too. It wouldn't surprise me if the foldback protection in your floppy power supply folds all the outputs back simultaneously. This certainly seems likely based on the voltages you see. If you can unhook the 24V output from the power supply (this is what runs the stepper motors) and try again, this might be useful. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Where has everybody gone?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 24, Mike Ford wrote: > >Abrupt end of list... Solitude... Anguish.... > > > >Is anybody out there? > > > >Frederic Charpentier > > Didn't you get a notice, the list was purchased by MicroSoft. That's a *dirty* thing to say, man. -Dave McGuire

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Identify this LSI-11 floppy controller

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I have a couple floppy disk controllers from a device that contained an integrated LSI-11 cpu and a few other boards. The floppy controller is from Charles River Data Systems (C) 1978. On the connector, one of them has FC-202 / 1613 on it, the other has FC-202 / 1703. The floppy disks that were connected to it were single sided shugarts (801-2 if i recall correctly). I'm curious if these can handle DSDD, and anything else that anyone knows about it. Also, is their a web site with information on pdp-11 boards, similar to the PDP8 omnibus lists and such that are available? i'd like to be able to look up what should be common boards, such as LSI-11 cpus, 32K 18 bit MOS memory boards, various serial and parallel interface cards, etc. -Lawrence LeMay

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