27 Apr
2000
27 Apr
'00
12:57 a.m.
$ unzip :== $$2$dka500:[bin]unzip.exe
$ xfig == "@$2$DKA500:[BIN.XFIG32]XFIG.COM"
$ mxrn :== $$2$dka500:[bin]mxrn
Actually, you might want to do a HELP DEFINE and learn how to set
up logicals. Hard-coded device names scattered throughout a bunch of
command files are a pain in the rear when you later move stuff between
disks or consolidate disks. Wouldn't you rather say DISK$BIN: than
$$2$dka500: ?
On a small system the advantage may not be so obvious, but when you've
got a medium-sized VMScluster (a couple dozen CPU's, a few hundred disks),
especially with a mix of Alpha and VAX CPU's, it really pays off.
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
27 Apr
27 Apr
1:33 a.m.
$ unzip :==
$$2$dka500:[bin]unzip.exe
$ xfig == "@$2$DKA500:[BIN.XFIG32]XFIG.COM"
$ mxrn :== $$2$dka500:[bin]mxrn
Actually, you might want to do a HELP DEFINE and learn how to set
up logicals. Hard-coded device names scattered throughout a bunch of
command files are a pain in the rear when you later move stuff between
disks or consolidate disks. Wouldn't you rather say DISK$BIN: than
$$2$dka500: ?
On a small system the advantage may not be so obvious, but when you've
got a medium-sized VMScluster (a couple dozen CPU's, a few hundred disks),
especially with a mix of Alpha and VAX CPU's, it really pays off. 
2:38 a.m.
New subject: sgi.pi
A student of mine has a circa 1990 SGI Personal Iris
with GR1.2
graphics--apparently less than 8-bit. He wants to run Blender on it
<www.blender.nl> and he'll need at least 8-bit graphics to do that.
Anybody have a PI graphics board that's 8-bit or better to give or sell
to him?
Thanks,
Scott F. Hall, Alfred, NY
3 a.m.
New subject: sgi.pi
A student of
mine has a circa 1990 SGI Personal Iris with GR1.2
graphics--apparently less than 8-bit. He wants to run Blender on it
<www.blender.nl> and he'll need at least 8-bit graphics to do that.
Anybody have a PI graphics board that's 8-bit or better to give or sell
to him?
5:08 a.m.
New subject: sgi.pi
Thanks for the reply, Mark. This PI is on circa 1994 Irix 5.3. Nope,
this cut of Blender is IrisGL, so I don't think that's it.
Certain stock Irix 5.3 demos don't work. Launching the MahJong is fine,
so is the flight sim. Launching the mandelbrot fractal maker is a no
go--says 24-bit is needed. The Porsche driving sim. comes up but puts
up an error message that says "gconfig: not enough bitplanes for RGB
mode."
Scott Hall, Alfred, NY
Mark Green wrote:
> A student
of mine has a circa 1990 SGI Personal Iris with GR1.2
> graphics--apparently less than 8-bit. He wants to run Blender on
it
> <www.blender.nl> and he'll need at
least 8-bit graphics to do
that.
Anybody have a PI graphics board that's 8-bit or better to give or
sell
to him?
There's something wrong here. I know of no SGI with less
than 8 bits of graphics, all the PIs have at least 8 bit
graphics, and most of them have 24. So the problem must
be somewhere else.
Here are a few things to look into:
1) Which version of the OS is it running? Some of the earlier
versions of IRIX used some of the bits for window management.
2) I don't know anything about blender, but is it expecting
OpenGL? The PI series doesn't run OpenGL, they run IRIS GL,
which isn't compatible with OpenGL. This could be where
the problem is occuring.
--
Dr. Mark Green mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca
Professor (780) 492-4584
Director, Research Institute for Multimedia Systems (RIMS)
Department of Computing Science (780) 492-1071 (FAX)
University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2H1, Canada
5:27 a.m.
New subject: sgi.pi
Thanks for the reply, Mark. This PI is on circa 1994
Irix 5.3. Nope,
this cut of Blender is IrisGL, so I don't think that's it.
Certain stock Irix 5.3 demos don't work. Launching the MahJong is fine,
so is the flight sim. Launching the mandelbrot fractal maker is a no
go--says 24-bit is needed. The Porsche driving sim. comes up but puts
up an error message that says "gconfig: not enough bitplanes for RGB
mode."
The machine configuration should be okay. Are you sure that
blender will run in 8 bits. It might require 24 bits to
run. Try running /usr/gfx/gfxinfo and see what it says about
the graphics configuration. There is the possibility that
the X server isn't set up correctly.
--
Dr. Mark Green mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca
Professor (780) 492-4584
Director, Research Institute for Multimedia Systems (RIMS)
Department of Computing Science (780) 492-1071 (FAX)
University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2H1, Canada
4:56 a.m.
$ unzip :==
$$2$dka500:[bin]unzip.exe
$ xfig == "@$2$DKA500:[BIN.XFIG32]XFIG.COM"
$ mxrn :== $$2$dka500:[bin]mxrn
Actually, you might want to do a HELP DEFINE and learn how to set
up logicals. Hard-coded device names scattered throughout a bunch of
command files are a pain in the rear when you later move stuff between
disks or consolidate disks. Wouldn't you rather say DISK$BIN: than
$$2$dka500: ?
On a small system the advantage may not be so obvious, but when you've
got a medium-sized VMScluster (a couple dozen CPU's, a few hundred disks),
especially with a mix of Alpha and VAX CPU's, it really pays off. 
10:12 a.m.
New subject: PKZips Phil Katz dead
I just received this notice from a friend of mine. This was the first notice
I had seen. Anyone know any more of the details?
This appears to be a revisionist report with regard to why Pkzip was
created. I still have some of the email (somewhere) that circulated from
both Katz and the creators of ARC when the creators of ARC sued Katz for
IIRC having something to do with PKARC not being 100% compatible with the
widely used ARC compressions scheme used.
-------------------
PKzip Creator dies . . .
"Phillip W. Katz died of complications from chronic alcoholism, according to
the Milwaulkee medical examiner’s records. Katz’s file-compression software
is used
around the world. 'In early days, compression was all done with software
because there was no hardware to do this stuff,' said computer science
professor Leonard Levine at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. 'So Katz
put together a program called PKZip, the Phil Katz zip program. ' The
compression software made communication between computers faster and less
expensive." Of all the 'programs' on the planet, PKUnZip has to be one of
the more well-known binaries .
10:46 a.m.
New subject: PKZips Phil Katz dead
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/pkzip000422.html
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Marvin wrote:
I just received this notice from a friend of mine. This was the first notice
I had seen. Anyone know any more of the details?
This appears to be a revisionist report with regard to why Pkzip was
created. I still have some of the email (somewhere) that circulated from
both Katz and the creators of ARC when the creators of ARC sued Katz for
IIRC having something to do with PKARC not being 100% compatible with the
widely used ARC compressions scheme used.
-------------------
PKzip Creator dies . . .
"Phillip W. Katz died of complications from chronic alcoholism, according to
the Milwaulkee medical examiner’s records. Katz’s file-compression software
is used
around the world. 'In early days, compression was all done with software
because there was no hardware to do this stuff,' said computer science
professor Leonard Levine at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. 'So Katz
put together a program called PKZip, the Phil Katz zip program. ' The
compression software made communication between computers faster and less
expensive." Of all the 'programs' on the planet, PKUnZip has to be one of
the more well-known binaries .
11:15 a.m.
New subject: PKZips Phil Katz dead
It was on the fornt page yesterday (4/26) of Windrivers.com's home page. I
always thought he was older than me but it seems I'm 6 years older - he is/was
just 37 at passing. As for the alcoholism I think it's just a part of the
basement programmer's life he chose since he's shown signs back even in the DOS
days of having substance and/or personality problems.
Marvin wrote:
I just received this notice from a friend of mine.
This was the first notice
I had seen. Anyone know any more of the details?
This appears to be a revisionist report with regard to why Pkzip was
created. I still have some of the email (somewhere) that circulated from
both Katz and the creators of ARC when the creators of ARC sued Katz for
IIRC having something to do with PKARC not being 100% compatible with the
widely used ARC compressions scheme used.
12:24 p.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
A friend of mine just sent me an article describing AOL Disks as being
collectable from the Seattle Times. I have been saving and collecting them
for a while having a feeling that they would become collectors items. The
article describes some AOL 2.0 shrinkwrapped disks being sold for $102. And
Sellam is also mentioned in the article. Now lets see, my retirement is
shaping up nicely :).
1:01 p.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
A friend of mine just sent me an article describing
AOL Disks as being
collectable from the Seattle Times. I have been saving and collecting them
You know with news like that I'm thinking of heading out into the wilderness
and becoming a hermit. Please stop the World and let me off, the world
truely has gone crazy!
Someone mind explaining what possible reason *ANYONE* could have for wanting
to collect AOL disks!
Zane
2:07 p.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
Someone mind explaining what possible reason anyone could have for
wanting to collect 75% of the stuff on Ebay now!
A friend of
mine just sent me an article describing AOL Disks as being
collectable from the Seattle Times. I have been saving and collecting them
You know with news like that I'm thinking of heading out into the wilderness
and becoming a hermit. Please stop the World and let me off, the world
truely has gone crazy!
Someone mind explaining what possible reason *ANYONE* could have for wanting
to collect AOL disks!
3:08 p.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
At 09:07 PM 4/27/00 -0500, Charles P. Hobbs wrote:
Someone mind explaining what possible reason anyone
could have for
wanting to collect 75% of the stuff on Ebay now!
What! do _you_ like all of the remaining 25% ?
Seriously, though, no one's mind is big enough to comprehend
everyone's mind.
Carlos.
28 Apr
28 Apr
4:06 a.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Carlos Murillo wrote:
At 09:07 PM 4/27/00 -0500, Charles P. Hobbs wrote:
Not necessarily. But we all have different interests. I collect
old records (vinyl) and computers, mostly. Someone else might like
the AOL disks or the beenie babies or the Pokemon cards. It takes
all kinds to make a world. . .
Someone mind explaining what possible reason
anyone could have for
wanting to collect 75% of the stuff on Ebay now!
What! do _you_ like all of the remaining 25% ? 
4:47 a.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
Not necessarily. But we all have different interests.
I collect
old records (vinyl) and computers, mostly. Someone else might like
the AOL disks or the beenie babies or the Pokemon cards. It takes
all kinds to make a world. . .
Why collect AOL disks?
Because, at least for the older ones before they switched to CD, they are
easier to reformat than beenie babies or Pokemon cards.
7:44 a.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
At 09:07 PM 4/27/00 -0500, Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip) wrote:
Someone mind explaining what possible reason anyone
could have for
wanting to collect 75% of the stuff on Ebay now!
www.ebay.com? Isn't that actually www.sanfordandson.com?
It's not unusual for something that's ubiquitous and throw-away
to increase in value years after it was "carpet-bombed." Almost
everyone threw them away, right, like Monkees lunchboxes.
And to think I almost gave away my 18 inches of junk CDs to a
friend who wanted to use them to replace the ceiling tiles in
his rec room...
- John
8:24 a.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, John Foust wrote:
At 09:07 PM 4/27/00 -0500, Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip)
wrote:
Oh Elizabeth! I'm coming up to meet you now! :-)
Someone mind explaining what possible reason
anyone could have for
wanting to collect 75% of the stuff on Ebay now!
www.ebay.com? Isn't that actually www.sanfordandson.com? 
27 Apr
27 Apr
2:12 p.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable - why not?
Why not collect AOL memorabilia? The definition of a collectible (ideally)
is something that wasn't made to be collected, but through circumstance
began to appeal to people and people started collecting them.
One man's treasure is another man's trash. You must admit those little
diskette packages were distinctive, ingenious packaging, and there were
many, many versions. These are good grounds for becoming a collectible.
While they are not my cup'o tea, I hope those that can perhaps only collect
them, instead of systems, have fun.
So don't run off and be a hermit. Run up to an AOL diskette collector and
give them a hug.
----- Original Message -----
From: <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: AOL Disks Collectable
> A friend of mine just sent me an article
describing AOL Disks as being
> collectable from the Seattle Times. I have been saving and collecting
them
You know with news like that I'm thinking of heading out into the
wilderness
and becoming a hermit. Please stop the World and let
me off, the world
truely has gone crazy!
Someone mind explaining what possible reason *ANYONE* could have for
wanting
to collect AOL disks!
Zane
28 Apr
28 Apr
2:36 a.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable - why not?
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Kevin Stumpf/Unusual Systems wrote:
Why not collect AOL memorabilia? The definition of a
collectible (ideally)
is something that wasn't made to be collected, but through circumstance
began to appeal to people and people started collecting them.
So don't run off and be a hermit. Run up to an AOL diskette collector and
give them a hug.
I tried that. I got a black eye and lost two teeth for my trouble. Oh
yeah, like he's EVER going to get my shrink-wrapped AOL Titanium disc,
ever... :)
27 Apr
27 Apr
5:33 p.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
And especially when you consider the numbers in which they have been put
out.
- don
A friend of
mine just sent me an article describing AOL Disks as being
collectable from the Seattle Times. I have been saving and collecting them
You know with news like that I'm thinking of heading out into the wilderness
and becoming a hermit. Please stop the World and let me off, the world
truely has gone crazy!
Someone mind explaining what possible reason *ANYONE* could have for wanting
to collect AOL disks! Zane
6:39 p.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
I've heard the AOL disk mailings described in the press as "carpet
bombing". According to one article and my memory (look out folks!), this
marketing method is not particularly effective. Certainly not compared to
referrals from AOL members. I don't exactly hate AOL but I don't
understand why it is so successful. People say "it's easy" but I don't
see what's hard about Netscape. Netscape provides browsing, mail, instant
messaging, chat, and is easy to use in the extreme. All in one integrated,
non-system-intrusive program. Well, at least the non-WinDos versions are
inocuous <-- Spelling anyone?
AOL's success just boggles the mind considering the annoying and time
consuming popup adds. You get these on the internet but mostly on porn
sites and Netscape's main site.... Hmm. It's considered impolite. The
complaints of busy signals and other denial of service issue are probably
true but I don't think it is as bad as all that.
Probably my main objection is the number of total idiots I see who use
AOL. I am offended for my species.
I think this goes for Packard Bell computers as well. I hated PB for
thier case designs quite a bit but had no other complaints to speak of.
None at least that didn't also apply to Hewlett Packard, IBM, Compaq....
Each has had some nightmare cases to work in. What behooves these
companies to design these wierd machines? Sometimes it's a challenge just
to figure out how to get inside at all. The other day I had a HP or
Compaq minitower on the bench that had it's faceplate and drive bay as one
piece. Not a little bay either but two 5.25" and three 3.5" bays that
slid on a track and had the faceplate welded to it. It took me 15 minutes
just to get the Quantum Bigfoot out of the machine.
I rambled. Sorry.
In <Pine.SCO.4.20.0004272232000.4114-100000(a)crash.cts.com>om>, on 04/28/00
at 02:39 AM, Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> said:
And especially when you consider the numbers in which
they have been put
out
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Jeffrey S. Worley
Technical Services
Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc.
1979B Hendersonville Road
Asheville, NC 28803
828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days
828-687-9284 - 24hr fax
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
Technoid(a)Cheta.net
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5:34 p.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
Q: Why would anyone want to collect anything?
A: Because it is there.
A friend of mine just sent me an article
describing AOL Disks as being
collectable from the Seattle Times. I have been saving and collecting them
You know with news like that I'm thinking of heading out into the wilderness
and becoming a hermit. Please stop the World and let me off, the world
truely has gone crazy!
Someone mind explaining what possible reason *ANYONE* could have for wanting
to collect AOL disks! 
11:38 p.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
A friend of
mine just sent me an article describing AOL Disks as being
collectable from the Seattle Times. I have been saving and collecting them
You know with news like that I'm thinking of heading out into the wilderness
and becoming a hermit. Please stop the World and let me off, the world
truely has gone crazy!
Someone mind explaining what possible reason *ANYONE* could have for wanting
to collect AOL disks! 
28 Apr
28 Apr
12:48 a.m.
New subject: AOL Disks Collectable
At 05:24 PM 4/27/00 -0700, Marvin wrote:
A friend of mine just sent me an article describing AOL
Disks as being
collectable from the Seattle Times. I have been saving and collecting them
for a while having a feeling that they would become collectors items. The
article describes some AOL 2.0 shrinkwrapped disks being sold for $102. And
Sellam is also mentioned in the article. Now lets see, my retirement is
shaping up nicely :).
You must be kidding! Are you sure that article wasn't published on
April first??? AOL disks are about as collectable as used condoms IMO.
Joe
27 Apr
27 Apr
12:24 p.m.
New subject: PKZips Phil Katz dead
Marvin wrote:
> I just received this notice from a friend of mine. This was the first notice
> I had seen. Anyone know any more of the details?
>
> This appears to be a revisionist report with regard to why Pkzip was
> created. I still have some of the email (somewhere) that circulated from
> both Katz and the creators of ARC when the creators of ARC sued Katz for
> IIRC having something to do with PKARC not being 100% compatible with the
> widely used ARC compressions scheme used.
I think the ARC people sued him because he hadn't licenced their compression
algorythm. This goes back to my BBS days, but if memory serves, ARC sued him,
he wrote PKZIP, and within a year ARC was no longer the defacto standard for
BBS's. I believe the company that wrote ARC is now extinct. Serves them right.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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2:05 p.m.
New subject: PKZips Phil Katz dead
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Jim Strickland wrote:
They were called "System Enhancement Associates"(SEA) or soemthing
like that. PK wrote a faster version of ARC (called PKARC), SEA
sued, so PK wrote a new program called PKZIp. Word got out to all
the BBSs...in about 6 months, just about every ARC file was converted
to ZIP (besides, ZIP did a better job compressing anyway)
When did this happen? 1988-89?
Marvin wrote:
> I just received this notice from a friend of mine. This was the first notice
> I had seen. Anyone know any more of the details?
>
> This appears to be a revisionist report with regard to why Pkzip was
> created. I still have some of the email (somewhere) that circulated from
> both Katz and the creators of ARC when the creators of ARC sued Katz for
> IIRC having something to do with PKARC not being 100% compatible with the
> widely used ARC compressions scheme used.
I think the ARC people sued him because he hadn't licenced their compression
algorythm. This goes back to my BBS days, but if memory serves, ARC sued him,
he wrote PKZIP, and within a year ARC was no longer the defacto standard for
BBS's. I believe the company that wrote ARC is now extinct. Serves them right.
8:14 p.m.
New subject: Spamming the list
If anyone feels I am spamming the list by posting my finds at CPB please
let me know and I will cease my messages.
My plan is to Increase the number of messages regarding finds as well as
thier content and detail.
This is mainly to support my computer habit. If I can't afford it, at
least I can get some sticktime to get the detail you guys and gals want
before you buy. Also to get some warm fuzzies for myself knowing another
hacker has the box I had my hands on.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
Technical Services
Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc.
1979B Hendersonville Road
Asheville, NC 28803
828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days
828-687-9284 - 24hr fax
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
Technoid(a)Cheta.net
-----------------------------------------------------------
28 Apr
28 Apr
2:19 a.m.
New subject: Spamming the list
At 04:14 28-04-2000 -0400, you wrote:
If anyone feels I am spamming the list by posting my
finds at CPB please
let me know and I will cease my messages.
I don't see them as spam, but you might want to consider combining them
into one post. It's hardly necessary to post five separate notes for five
separate finds.
On a related note... that Motorola mini you spotted. Might it be a VMEBus
machine of some sort?
If so, details on what cards it has installed would be most helpful.
Thanks.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
12:18 p.m.
New subject: Spamming the list
I'd call it spam... If the items are being given away, or an infrequent
posting by someone with something they dearly love but can't store
anymore is okay, but I'd rather not see any more postings about the
computer parts barn.
If enough other people want the information, perhaps a one time posting
of a semi-complete inventory would be acceptable to all? The best
solution would be for the owner to create a website and make shipping
options available. Maybe you could trade some HTML coding for some
choice bits for yourself.
Just my $.02...
Clint
On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 technoid(a)cheta.net wrote:
If anyone feels I am spamming the list by posting my
finds at CPB please
let me know and I will cease my messages.
My plan is to Increase the number of messages regarding finds as well as
thier content and detail.
This is mainly to support my computer habit. If I can't afford it, at
least I can get some sticktime to get the detail you guys and gals want
before you buy. Also to get some warm fuzzies for myself knowing another
hacker has the box I had my hands on.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
Technical Services
Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc.
1979B Hendersonville Road
Asheville, NC 28803
828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days
828-687-9284 - 24hr fax
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
Technoid(a)Cheta.net
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