23 Apr
2000
23 Apr
'00
5:10 a.m.
Hey, that sounds like a really neat idea! I recently picked up 5 VLC units
and would love to do something similar. Would you mind if I tried to
piggy-back off your efforts?
-- Tony
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From: Zane H. Healy[SMTP:healyzh@aracnet.com]
Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 2:34 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: VAXstation 4000VLC
On the topic of VAXstations, does anyone one the list have experience with
hacking VLC's and or LCD's? I'm wondering how feasable it would be to
hook
an LCD display up to a VLC, and if it would be possible with off the shelf
hardware.
The other alternative I'm thinking of would be to pickup a cheap laptop,
load Linux/X-Windows on it, and use it as an intelligent X-Terminal.
At this point, you're probably asking, what on Earth am I trying to do.
Well, I've decided I want a VAX "Laptop", and while I really doubt I can
have it battery powered I want to see what I can do starting with a VLC as
the base. I figure as long as I can get the final product about the size
of an old Toshiba 5200 I'm on the right track. Of course I'm also
thinking
that if I can find the time to do this and do it right I'll have to build
my own case for all the guts of the pieces.
If nothing else a VLC and a Laptop used as a terminal should make a nice
small easily portable VAX. I figure I'll initially try this out with my
Mac PowerBook 540c since it's got built in ethernet and I can run eXodus
on
it for DECwindows support. However, as the 540c is only 640x480 I figure
it's only good for a couple Mac telnet windows or a DECterm via X.
Anyone have any ideas? I hope to start in on this next weekend, but it
will depend on how soon the VLC I just bought for this takes to get here.
As for the why, well, why not :^)
Zane
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23 Apr
23 Apr
7:02 a.m.
Hey, that sounds like a really neat idea! I recently
picked up 5 VLC units
and would love to do something similar. Would you mind if I tried to
piggy-back off your efforts?
-- Tony
Not at all, got any idea's on a front-end? I'm actually leaning towards a
IBM Thinkpad for the final results. The problem is 640x480 laptops are
affordable, 800x600 laptops seem to semi-affordable, while the 1024x768's
that I'd prefer look to still be up there a ways.
One of my requirements is that it be able to take a PS/2 Keyboard and
mouse, as I want to be able to plug in something like a LK450 keyboard, and
a 3 button mouse.
Zane
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24 Apr
24 Apr
11:58 a.m.
New subject: KYBD (was: VAXstation 4000VLC)
Zane H. Healy
One of my requirements is that it be able to take a
PS/2 Keyboard and
mouse, as I want to be able to plug in something like a LK450 keyboard, and
a 3 button mouse.
I'm basically a 98.5% Software and 1.5% Hardware-knowledge guy.
With the little I know - about the PIC micro - It seems like I
could make a 'protocol' converter between keyboards:
IBM-101 to LK201 and the reverse, etc.
But I'm busy and lazy and was wondering if anybody out there
ever saw someone _Sell_ keyboard converters that do this?
12:37 p.m.
New subject: KYBD (was: VAXstation 4000VLC)
On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 04:58:31PM -0400, John Allain wrote:
But I'm busy and lazy and was wondering if anybody
out there
ever saw someone _Sell_ keyboard converters that do this?
I haven't seen any, do you think anyone would buy them if they existed?
Might be kind of a fun project. And yeah, 98.5% software and 1.5% hardware
sounds like a perfect fit, anyway if you build them I'll sure buy one.
John Wilson
D Bit
25 Apr
25 Apr
4:13 a.m.
New subject: KYBD (was: VAXstation 4000VLC)
Anybody out there have the ?LK201? electrical specification?
John A.
On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 04:58:31PM -0400, John Allain
wrote:
> But I'm busy and lazy and was wondering if anybody out there
> ever saw someone _Sell_ keyboard converters that do this?
On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 5:37 PM, John Wilson (D Bit) wrote:
I haven't seen any, do you think anyone would buy
them if they existed?
Might be kind of a fun project. And yeah, 98.5% software and 1.5%
hardware
sounds like a perfect fit, anyway if you build them
I'll sure buy one.
4:58 a.m.
New subject: KYBD (was: VAXstation 4000VLC)
John Allain wrote:
Anybody out there have the ?LK201? electrical specification?
http://www.mit.edu/~mcmahill/NetBSD/pmax/LK201/lk201.html
Basically, terminal supplies 12V. Link is RS423 levels.
In correspondence with me a long time ago, Dan mentioned making a
convertor box so he could connect a PC keyboard to a VT220, but I don't
know whether he got anywhere.
6:38 a.m.
New subject: KYBD (was: VAXstation 4000VLC)
John Allain wrote:
If anyone's interested I've got an LK250 (LK201 like keyboard
for PC/AT type connector. This works just fine with a PS/2
type machine with a $3 adapter.
I'm not using it now (used it for Sedt for a while).
$15 plus shipping.
Bill
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Anybody out there have the ?LK201? electrical specification?
http://www.mit.edu/~mcmahill/NetBSD/pmax/LK201/lk201.html
Basically, terminal supplies 12V. Link is RS423 levels.
In correspondence with me a long time ago, Dan mentioned making a
convertor box so he could connect a PC keyboard to a VT220, but I don't
know whether he got anywhere.
9:33 p.m.
New subject: Rubber rejuvination
Any opinions on this rubber restorer?
http://www.techspray.com/1612info.htm
26 Apr
26 Apr
4:39 a.m.
New subject: Rubber rejuvination
It works well. We use this very stuff to recondition rubber rollers in
laser printers etc. It gives the rollers new life. It HAS to be bad for
the environment because it SMELLS HORRIBLE.
In <l03102800b52c3e136b48(a)[24.24.232.57]>7]>, on 04/26/00
at 09:39 AM, Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> said:
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Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
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8:36 a.m.
New subject: Rubber rejuvination
----- Original Message -----
From: <technoid(a)cheta.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Rubber rejuvination
It works well. We use this very stuff to recondition
rubber rollers in
laser printers etc. It gives the rollers new life. It HAS to be bad for
the environment because it SMELLS HORRIBLE.
There are quite a few things that smell horrible and are not all
that bad for the environment .................
Sipke
8:26 a.m.
New subject: Rubber rejuvination
It works well.
We use this very stuff to recondition rubber rollers in
laser printers etc. It gives the rollers new life. It HAS to be bad for
the environment because it SMELLS HORRIBLE.
There are quite a few things that smell horrible and are not all
that bad for the environment .................
Sipke
8:30 a.m.
New subject: Rubber rejuvination
In <014501bfafa5$e86597e0$030101ac(a)boll.casema.net>et>, on 04/26/00
at 01:30 PM, "Sipke de Wal" <sipke(a)wxs.nl> said:
There are quite a few things that smell horrible and
are not all that bad
for the environment .................
Sipke
Yea, my collegue Shane for instance..... ;-)
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Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc.
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Asheville, NC 28803
828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days
828-687-9284 - 24hr fax
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
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9:22 a.m.
New subject: PDP-10 yellow pages
Anyone ever hear of a manual refered to as the PDP-10 yellow pages?
john
9:12 a.m.
New subject: PDP-10 yellow pages
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, johnb wrote:
Anyone ever hear of a manual refered to as the PDP-10
yellow pages?
Not sure it's the same thing, but I have a "PDP-10 Processor Handbook"
that I've heard refered to as the "PDP-10 Phonebook" - 'cause it looks
a
bit like a telephone directory, printed on newsprint-type paper. It's the
processor reference for the KA10, published in 1970 (at least, the copy I
have is dated 1970).
I've decided that, as soon as I can get a scanner and a copy of Adobe
Acrobat 4.0 (i.e., the full version, not just the reader), I'm going to
cut the pages out of the binding on my copy and scan it in. It breaks my
heart to do that, but the paper is deteriorating really badly, and it's
not going to last all that much longer anyway. I also have a "PDP-10
Timesharing Handbook" that's in pretty much the same condition (if not
slightly worse), and will need to meet the same fate.
--Pat.
1:02 p.m.
New subject: PDP-10 yellow pages
Anyone ever hear of a manual refered to as the PDP-10
yellow pages?
Yes, any of the PDP-10 Handbooks. They were printed on roughly phone-book
grade paper that may have been slightly yellow to start with, but has
definitely yellowed more with age. Also referred to as "phone books".
25 Apr
25 Apr
8:56 a.m.
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3:45 p.m.
New subject: KYBD (was: VAXstation 4000VLC)
Try the following url:
http://www.mit.edu/~mcmahill/NetBSD/pmax/LK201/lk201.html
Email me OL if this doesn't work... I copied it by hand from my
browser machine.
clint
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, John Allain wrote:
Anybody out there have the ?LK201? electrical specification?
John A.
On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 04:58:31PM -0400, John
Allain wrote:
> But I'm busy and lazy and was wondering if anybody out there
> ever saw someone _Sell_ keyboard converters that do this?
On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 5:37 PM, John Wilson (D Bit) wrote:
I haven't seen any, do you think anyone would
buy them if they existed?
Might be kind of a fun project. And yeah, 98.5% software and 1.5%
hardware
sounds like a perfect fit, anyway if you build
them I'll sure buy one.
24 Apr
24 Apr
3:34 p.m.
New subject: KYBD (was: VAXstation 4000VLC)
One of my
requirements is that it be able to take a PS/2 Keyboard and
mouse, as I want to be able to plug in something like a LK450 keyboard, and
a 3 button mouse.
I'm basically a 98.5% Software and 1.5% Hardware-knowledge guy.
With the little I know - about the PIC micro - It seems like I
could make a 'protocol' converter between keyboards:
IBM-101 to LK201 and the reverse, etc.
But I'm busy and lazy and was wondering if anybody out there
ever saw someone _Sell_ keyboard converters that do this?
8:19 p.m.
New subject: KYBD (was: VAXstation 4000VLC)
I've been contemplating such a device as well... Even collected
documentation on the various interfaces, but haven't had time to
work on it recently (too busy trying to keep my current job...)
If someone wants to build them, I'll buy... Otherwise, I'll build
one someday... I don't have enough space for all the monitors I'd
need for all the VS3100's and DS3100's I seem to have collected...
clint
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, John Allain wrote:
Zane H. Healy
One of my requirements is that it be able to take
a PS/2 Keyboard and
mouse, as I want to be able to plug in something like a LK450 keyboard, and
a 3 button mouse.
I'm basically a 98.5% Software and 1.5% Hardware-knowledge guy.
With the little I know - about the PIC micro - It seems like I
could make a 'protocol' converter between keyboards:
IBM-101 to LK201 and the reverse, etc.
But I'm busy and lazy and was wondering if anybody out there
ever saw someone _Sell_ keyboard converters that do this?
8:48 p.m.
New subject: VS4000/VLC (again)
Just a note that the absolute latest NetBSD stuff can and does run on a
VS4000/VLC. This is pretty cool as it makes a nice pizza-box type system
that happens to be a VAX (not so cool as the laptop VAX but hey, still cool
yes?)
If you have one and want to get it running let me know and I'll give you
the basics, the bottom line is that you will have to install it using a
system that can run MOP, DHCP, and NFS but you can install to a local disk
and then from then on you're home free.
On an unrelated note I think I have enough bits to set up a pair of VS (as
in VAXServer) 3400s as a VMS cluster! Since these things will cluster over
DSSI it should be pretty neat. If I get it running I'll see if I can put it
on the net for login access. That should be an interesting exercise!
--Chuck
9:21 p.m.
New subject: VS4000/VLC (again)
On an unrelated note I think I have enough bits to set
up a pair of VS (as
in VAXServer) 3400s as a VMS cluster! Since these things will cluster over
DSSI it should be pretty neat. If I get it running I'll see if I can put it
on the net for login access. That should be an interesting exercise!
--Chuck
I've threatened to do a SCSI cluster, but never found the time. If you're
going to do that, you'll need to set up TCPIP so that the two systems
appear as one, so if one goes down you can still get to the cluster!
That's something else I've not found enough time to try. As for putting
them up on the net, all you need is the connection to the net.
Hmmm, now that I think about it, I've now got enough systems around here to
have both production and development clusters. Now that's a SCARY thought,
considering the systems are just for my own fun! It's gotten so bad though
that I've had to start mapping my cluster!
Zane
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10:35 p.m.
New subject: VS4000/VLC (again)
At 11:21 PM 24-04-00 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
You'll find that SCSI clustering is restricted to Alphas only. For the
smaller VAX systems it's either ethernet or DSSI.
My own personal experience with DSSI was not altogether exciting. We'd
purchased two 3400 hundreds to replace an 11/785 and an 11/780. The 3400s
never seemed as fast. Eventually, the 3400s were replaced with an ethernet
cluster consisting of a DEC3000-300, an 11/785 and an 11/780 and the old
VAXes were much faster.....
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au
| "If God had wanted soccer played in the
| air, the sky would be painted green"
On an unrelated
note I think I have enough bits to set up a pair of VS (as
in VAXServer) 3400s as a VMS cluster! Since these things will cluster over
DSSI it should be pretty neat. If I get it running I'll see if I can put it
on the net for login access. That should be an interesting exercise!
--Chuck
I've threatened to do a SCSI cluster, but never found the time. If you're
going to do that, you'll need to set up TCPIP so that the two systems
appear as one, so if one goes down you can still get to the cluster!
That's something else I've not found enough time to try. As for putting
them up on the net, all you need is the connection to the net.
25 Apr
25 Apr
8:12 a.m.
New subject: VS4000/VLC (again)
Huw Davies wrote:
You'll find that SCSI clustering is restricted to
Alphas only. For the
smaller VAX systems it's either ethernet or DSSI.
I've got two Alpha's that currently aren't in my cluster, AND a spare
Storageworks tray with a couple disks. Right now I'm just doing ethernet
clustering.
My own personal experience with DSSI was not altogether
exciting. We'd
purchased two 3400 hundreds to replace an 11/785 and an 11/780. The 3400s
never seemed as fast. Eventually, the 3400s were replaced with an ethernet
cluster consisting of a DEC3000-300, an 11/785 and an 11/780 and the old
VAXes were much faster.....
Somehow that doesn't surprise me in the least, especially the last. I've
got a DEC3000-300LX (the slowest of the -300's) and at some things it feels
slower than a VS3100/30.
Zane
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