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FTGH for pickup in So Cal v2: Macs, Atari ST, various hardware

by spectre＠floodgap.com

The PDP-11, VT100, Flyer/Video Toaster and some of the Macs have found homes, but there are still some items left and a couple more I added. These will be going to the recycler soon unless they are spoken for (all free to good homes). I may be adding some others, too. As before items are at various locations in Riverside-San Bernardino, CA. Please contact me OFFLIST to arrange PICKUP. POSSIBLY WORKING: Mega ST4 with Megafile 60 and SC1224 and SM125 monitors. These are a bit yellowed and the keyboard is thrashed. Also, the TOS is on a separate card with two leads that got loose and I don't know where they go (probably to +Vcc and a select pin). Thus, can't test the monitors or the hard disk, but the system does power on, and the hard disk does power up and makes happy hard disk noises. No idea what's on it. The SM125 puts on a power light and does appear to try to make a picture, though its previous owner separated it from its stand for some reason. The SC1224 sounds like the flyback is bad but may be serviceable. Includes ST mouse and hard disk cable. No manuals or software. If you want this unit, you need to take everything including the monitors. PARTIALLY WORKING: 500MHz iBook G3 laptop (snow, not colour) M6497 with tray loader optical drive and power supply. Does boot OS X, but needs a new LCD backlight (mini VGA port works and you can see the display in bright light) and battery is of course toast. Otherwise physically intact except that ex-bro-in-law put grotty stickers on it. PARTIALLY WORKING: Quad G5 2.5GHz x2x2, 8GB RAM, Nvidia 6600. Got whacked in shipping and one side of the case is damaged. No hard disk. Does power on but you will need to service the processors and the liquid cooling system. Aftermarket optical drive needs "help" when you eject it. Add your own USB keyboard and mouse. PARTIALLY WORKING: Sawtooth Power Mac G4 450MHz. No RAM, no video card, no hard disk. Used to be my file server but had issues with one of the PCI slots. Has optical drive and ZIP with matching Apple bezels. Does power on, but obviously without RAM or a video card (AGP) will not pass POST. Add your own USB keyboard and mouse. NOT WORKING: Single G5 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM, GeForce 5200. The previous owner seemed to have had a disagreement with the front panel connector and the front panel connector lost. I received it stripped to the chassis except for the processor and the logic board, but it does have the fans, video card, wireless (with T-antenna), power supply and panel cable. Because the front panel connector is busted I can't test it. You get to replace the front panel assembly and put it back together. This unit is air-cooled, but probably could benefit from reapplying thermal compound while you're at it. Has optical drive (disconnected), no hard disk, add your own USB keyboard and mouse. Various other items: Apple II Super Serial card with DB-25 670-0020-? (uses 6551 ACIA) and Apple IIe 80 column 64K memory expansion 607-0103-K. Can't test them but both look intact. Kurta Penmouse. Serial and PS/2 connectors. Seems to have a power supply jack (9V) but I don't have the power supply and I don't know if it needs it. Can't test it, no drivers, physically intact. Sun model 411 SCSI CD-ROM. Requires caddy. Won't mount discs, might need a recap. Samsung 17" SyncMaster CRT. Works fine, great shape, just too big to keep around anymore. UMAX Astra 2100U flatbed USB scanner with power supply. Powers on. Works with classic Mac OS but probably most systems. No driver disc. Pair of Telular SX5 GSM terminals. These were the server room's backup communication system. They work, but no GSM network to connect to anymore. Might be fun if you set one up. Real serial ports! Real GSM modem! Full kits with power supply. Visual UpTime Select T1 CSU/DSU. Has a Cisco V.35 cable connected and jacks for Ethernet, serial, DSX-1 and T1. Powers on, obviously goes right into Red Alarm since there's no network. You telco nerds will love it. Adaptec AHA-1542CF ISA SCSI card. I don't have a system to put this in. Looks fine, might work. No software or drivers. ATI PCI Rage XL card, VGA DE-15 port. Likely for PC, doesn't seem to have a Mac ROM. Good condition. No drivers. Diamond ATI Radeon HD 6450 PCIe card with DVI, VGA, HDMI. Has manual, no drivers. Good condition. Various complete external modem packages ranging from 14.4 to 33.6K. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Man fears Time, yet Time fears the Pyramids. -- Arab proverb ---------------

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Multi-Micro-Channel bus systems, and thoughts on the Computer Society Digital Library.

by cz＠alembic.crystel.com

Read that Personal Systems magazine from 1992 that was recently posted and enjoyed the article on the PS/2 295 system. I never heard about that one, the biggest PS/2's I worked on were the 95 systems with 486 processors back at Covington. One thing that popped out: The 295 was a multi-processor-ish system with two MCA busses. Granted they were decoupled with each processor having its own MCA bus but it got me to thinking: Were there other systems of that time that could use two MicroChannel busses? I know of one: Back when I first started working at the IEEE Computer Society in 1993 they had a donated NCR 3550 system. Big box, mainframe sized with 4 486/50 CPUs in it and an MCA backplane. As I recall AT&T donated it to the CS but no one had a clue what to do with it. It ran NCR Unix which wasn't interesting but when we started putting together the first E-Commerce systems in 1994 I decided to use it with Windows NT. Oddly enough it could run NT 3.51 (and later NT 4 with a HAL) and we put it online with Netscape Commerce server. Ran great and just like that we were doing E-Commerce for SuperComputing/95 registrations. :-) Later we started building the Digital E-Library on it. We needed a system that could do a lot of SGML-HTML conversions quickly as well as render TEK Math to .gif in real time. So we upgraded the 3550 with 8 (later a total of 16) Pentium Pro CPUs and a second Microchannel bus. We split the disks up with 2 4 port SCSI adapters on each bus along with a network port each and balanced RAID1 and RAID5 disks across the channels on both busses. Worked surprisingly well and allowed us to load all of the CS periodicals on the system along with a big Lotus Notes server implementation to run the commerce software and store the E-Accounts (still in use today!). The E-commerce system allowed people to renew their memberships with credit cards, and of course add subscriptions both in paper and on-line with instant access once the credit card was charged. For mid-1990's timeframes this was pretty advanced stuff. Later when we composted PDFs we put those on there as well with the Article shopping cart so people could buy articles individually. Boy, people liked that a LOT. We did experiment with a digital credit system so people could buy points and use those to buy articles but I could never figure out how to make it tamper proof. Satoshi figured that one out a decade later, I wish I had thought of the checksum chain idea.... Oh well. But the big point: Running two MCA busses on a SMP based multiprocessor system was quite possible and do-able at scale, however did any other company make a dual MCA bus system? I always found it impressive that Windows supported even that stretch of a configuration (seeing 16 Pentium Pro CPUs running together as people hit the digital library en masse was *neat*) but I don't recall any other systems that did it. Thoughts?

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LCM Accounts?

by healyzh＠avanthar.com

Is it still possible to get accounts on the LCM systems? I wanted to get a login on the VAX 7000, but can?t figure out where to request an account. Zane

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Sourcing Capacitors for my H7140 PSU

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I gave up trying to repair this PSU myself and I have got someone to do it professionally. It seems they have it working well but think that two capacitors should still be replaced. I think these are the two big "Coke Can" sized filter capacitors. The trouble is they seem to be unable to find any. The spec for them is 4500uf 200v DxH 76mm x 145mm Qty. 2. Anyone know where to find such monsters? In the UK ideally. I have looked on Farnell, Digikey and Mouser. It all seems to be special order, minimum quantity, long lead time etc. Thanks Rob

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Pro-Log M980 Programmer

by gerhard.kreuzer＠liftoff.at

Hi, I own a Pro-Log M980 Prom Programmer and want to program a 2732 EProm. I have everything needed, but how can I get the data in? There is a serial interface, did anybody have some program for a standard PC to handle that daa transfer? Cabling istn't an issue, can do it. Thanks for helping. With best regards Gerhard

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Anyone have any hardware docs on a Hyundai Super LT-3 80286 laptop?

by jncordoba＠gmail.com

Hi there guys!! I modded the battery with an external 2032 and now is booting fine. The HDD on my machine is an ALPS DRPO 20MB there is not info available about this HDD. Did you find or have any luck with this machine ?

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What's left of the Houston Museum stuff

by lee.gleason＠comcast.net

"Nice selection of dirty and yellowed computers in unknown condition." I just took a run out to the warehouse in question, figuring the owner would be there today cleaning up. The quote above sums up the state of things. There were some miscellaneous DEC terminals, a few MicroVAXes, and some other assorted DEC stuff - but it was all a trifle ...funky. That alone might not have been a sales stopper for me (all of my collection is not pristine), but the prices were a bit higher than I was prepared to pay for that condition and these circumstances. EG $125.00 for a VT220 w/o keyboard, and $90.00 for VT240 base units. I left empty handed. -- Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultants lee.gleason at comcast.net

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What's left of the Houston Museum stuff

by aek＠bitsavers.org

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2103793056560583/permalink/3118441161762429/

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VA Vista

by bill.gunshannon＠hotmail.com

Only semi Classic as the subject has been around for a long time. I saw recently that the VA is moving to a new EHR System (not very successfully, so far). Does this mean that VA Vista and MUMPS are finally going to be scrapped? Anybody else hear anything? bill

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core matt repair

by pspan＠amerytel.net

I worked at a company called DMA located in Amery Wisconsin during the 80's and 90's that did do core mat repair. Yes, the gal that did the work used a scope. She replaced cores and wires. Good luck finding someone to do that work now. If I remember the process, first the mat was removed from the driver assembly, then the varnish was removed. Then the mat was repaired and revarnished and then reassembled and final test before returned to the customer. On 2021-07-20 12:00, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Send cctech mailing list submissions to > cctech at classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctech-request at classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cctech-owner at classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctech digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair (steven at malikoff.com) > 2. Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair (Joshua Rice) > 3. Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair (Joshua Rice) > 4. Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair (Tom Hunter) > 5. Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair (Jules Richardson) > 6. Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair (Rod Smallwood) > 7. Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software (Jules Richardson) > 8. Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software (Zane Healy) > 9. Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software (Al Kossow) > 10. Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software (Al Kossow) > 11. Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software (Al Kossow) > 12. Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software (Jules Richardson) > 13. Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software (Jules Richardson) > 14. Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software (Zane Healy) > 15. Re: Items Wanted (Jay Jaeger) > 16. Re: Items Wanted (Zane Healy) > 17. Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair (Toby Thain) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:59:59 +1000 > From: steven at malikoff.com > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair > Message-ID: > <84f709701f774aebb1a07a8bbb6eb091.squirrel at webmail04.register.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > Tom said >> I am curious if anyone has attempted to repair (replace) a broken wire >> in a >> PDP-8/e H212 (MM8EJ) core mat (8 k word). The cores are not visible >> without >> a microscope. I cannot imagine how these were even manufactured and >> wonder >> if DEC service centers repaired core mat faults or if faulty boards >> were >> simply discarded. >> >> CDC 6600 cores were huge in comparison and I would not hesitate to >> replace >> a broken core wire on those. > > I have no idea how DEC made theirs but for IBM's System 360, one of > their engineers > came up with the clever idea of stretching the core wire so it necked > and broke, leaving > a work-hardened tapered point to thread the cores with. > They patented it https://patents.google.com/patent/US3314131A > (Source: page 187 of 'IBM's 360 and early 370 Systems' by Pugh et al) > On a Youtube film about the 360 they show cores being vibrated into the > correct > orientation on a jig board. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:40:44 +0100 (BST) > From: Joshua Rice <rice43 at btinternet.com> > To: CCtalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair > Message-ID: <55e9b1e8.2735f.17abdecb557.Webtop.91 at btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Tom Hunter via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Sent: Monday, 19 Jul, 2021 At 06:33 > Subject: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair > I am curious if anyone has attempted to repair (replace) a broken wire > in a > PDP-8/e H212 (MM8EJ) core mat (8 k word). The cores are not visible > without > a microscope. I cannot imagine how these were even manufactured and > wonder > if DEC service centers repaired core mat faults or if faulty boards > were > simply discarded. > CDC 6600 cores were huge in comparison and I would not hesitate to > replace > a broken core wire on those. > Best regards > Tom Hunter > > > I believe much of the core manufacturing for DEC minicomputers was > outsourced, but a lot of it had become much more automated by the late > 60's and early 70's. I believe it was done by machine, with a tray to > hold the toroids in place, and a very fine needle-like "bobbin" that > threaded the wires through the toroids. I believe threading the cores > by > hand had become largely obsolete by the time the PDP-8 came onto the > market. > Though i can't confirm it, i highly doubt that DEC engineers would > repair core planes. These would more likely be sent back to the > manufacturer for "recycling", with the cores being recovered and > reused. > It's worth noting that most computer manufacturers appreciated the > fragility of core memory planes at the time, with most of them being > protected with either PCB's or perspex/plastic shields on top of the > core planes. In this way, it was rather difficult for a clumsy ol' > technician to put his thumb through the planes as he was servicing > machines. > Josh > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:52:13 +0100 (BST) > From: Joshua Rice <rice43 at btinternet.com> > To: CCtalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair > Message-ID: <5d5f0788.273f3.17abdf7399b.Webtop.91 at btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Tom Hunter via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Sent: Monday, 19 Jul, 2021 At 06:33 > Subject: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair > I am curious if anyone has attempted to repair (replace) a broken wire > in a > PDP-8/e H212 (MM8EJ) core mat (8 k word). The cores are not visible > without > a microscope. I cannot imagine how these were even manufactured and > wonder > if DEC service centers repaired core mat faults or if faulty boards > were > simply discarded. > CDC 6600 cores were huge in comparison and I would not hesitate to > replace > a broken core wire on those. > Best regards > Tom Hunter > > > These patents might be enlightening. I'm sure there's others, but these > are some i've found on a quick search. > https://patents.google.com/patent/US4161037A > <https://patents.google.com/patent/US4161037A> > https://patents.google.com/patent/US3668664 > <https://patents.google.com/patent/US3668664> > Josh > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:02:25 +0800 > From: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com> > To: Joshua Rice <rice43 at btinternet.com>, "General Discussion: > On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair > Message-ID: > <CAALEduCP_GLHuuMG2UO3CU329-_3E=RPqzVZ+RUGC6gTVQNFow at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Thanks Josh, > > I read through both patents but struggled to fully understand what they > described. > Unfortunately patents are written in broad terms to cover as much as > possible. > > It was very interesting nevertheless. > > Best regards > Tom Hunter > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 4:52 PM Joshua Rice via cctalk < > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Tom Hunter via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> Sent: Monday, 19 Jul, 2021 At 06:33 >> Subject: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair >> I am curious if anyone has attempted to repair (replace) a broken wire >> in a >> PDP-8/e H212 (MM8EJ) core mat (8 k word). The cores are not visible >> without >> a microscope. I cannot imagine how these were even manufactured and >> wonder >> if DEC service centers repaired core mat faults or if faulty boards >> were >> simply discarded. >> CDC 6600 cores were huge in comparison and I would not hesitate to >> replace >> a broken core wire on those. >> Best regards >> Tom Hunter >> >> >> These patents might be enlightening. I'm sure there's others, but >> these >> are some i've found on a quick search. >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US4161037A >> <https://patents.google.com/patent/US4161037A> >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3668664 >> <https://patents.google.com/patent/US3668664> >> Josh >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:50:10 -0500 > From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair > Message-ID: <769e6168-9024-fa20-5b9c-ed1cb91ec641 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed > > On 7/19/21 3:40 AM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: >> I believe much of the core manufacturing for DEC minicomputers was >> outsourced, but a lot of it had become much more automated by the late >> 60's >> and early 70's. > > I've got a trio of planes here, two of which are from a Lockheed > MAC-16, > but the other one is made by Keronix out of Santa Monica for an unknown > machine (dated 1973, model number "P4" and p/n 816335 if that means > anything to anyone, approx 16"x16" with two 100-pin, double-sided > finger > edge connectors on 0.1" spacing). > > Anyhoo, the Keronix one has a sticker on it saying it was repaired by > DMA, > inc. in Amery, WI in 1980 - which might suggest that there were third > parties around working on boards, rather than them having to go back to > the > manufacturer for repair. (I have no idea what the nature of the repair > was, > of course; maybe it was to surrounding logic rather than the mat > itself). > >> It's worth noting that most computer manufacturers appreciated the >> fragility of core memory planes at the time, with most of them being >> protected with either PCB's or perspex/plastic shields on top of the >> core >> planes. > > Yes, that's how all the ones I've ever seen have been. The Keronix one > has > an additional shield over the top of the entire PCB, on top of the one > protecting the cores. > > Jules > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 23:06:26 +0100 > From: Rod Smallwood <rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> > To: Jules Richardson via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair > Message-ID: <d5251315-3f4c-3a46-e36e-71949a90c26e at btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed > > > Yes most core stringing was outsourced. > > By hand under magnification was used. > > I cant recall any references to automation. > > That would br down to the supplier. > > The story I heard was at least some were done by embroidery girls in > Hong Kong > > Rod Smallwood ? -- Digital Equipment Corporation? 1975 to 1985 > > > On 19/07/2021 22:50, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: >> On 7/19/21 3:40 AM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: >>> I believe much of the core manufacturing for DEC minicomputers was >>> outsourced, but a lot of it had become much more automated by the >>> late 60's and early 70's. >> >> I've got a trio of planes here, two of which are from a Lockheed >> MAC-16, but the other one is made by Keronix out of Santa Monica for >> an unknown machine (dated 1973, model number "P4" and p/n 816335 if >> that means anything to anyone, approx 16"x16" with two 100-pin, >> double-sided finger edge connectors on 0.1" spacing). >> >> Anyhoo, the Keronix one has a sticker on it saying it was repaired by >> DMA, inc. in Amery, WI in 1980 - which might suggest that there were >> third parties around working on boards, rather than them having to go >> back to the manufacturer for repair. (I have no idea what the nature >> of the repair was, of course; maybe it was to surrounding logic rather >> than the mat itself). >> >>> It's worth noting that most computer manufacturers appreciated the >>> fragility of core memory planes at the time, with most of them being >>> protected with either PCB's or perspex/plastic shields on top of the >>> core planes. >> >> Yes, that's how all the ones I've ever seen have been. The Keronix one >> has an additional shield over the top of the entire PCB, on top of the >> one protecting the cores. >> >> Jules > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:03:46 -0500 > From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> > To: CCtalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software > Message-ID: <5b8f634d-93c9-22c2-fd05-6e1937767883 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed > > > Just out of interest, is the software for the Tektronix 8002 > microprocessor > lab archived out there anywhere? > > What I believe is one popped up on one of my Facebook groups, and it'd > be a > trek to get it even if I can arrange a good price with the current > owner - > but it sounds like the software at the site, if it still exists, is > unlikely to surface from a huge pile of detritus, so that automatically > puts things right in boat anchor territory. > > There may or may not be a terminal, too; I get the impression those > were > optional (I've been told that there are two Tek terminals, I just don't > know if they're the right models for this system). > > > cheers > > Jules > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:11:32 -0700 > From: Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> > To: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com>, "General > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software > Message-ID: <ED3B17DB-6591-493A-B470-D940A5E18A91 at avanthar.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > You might check with the Tektronix museum, and see what they know. As > far as I know, they aren?t actually part of Tektronix. > > Zane > > > >> On Jul 19, 2021, at 4:03 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk >> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> >> Just out of interest, is the software for the Tektronix 8002 >> microprocessor lab archived out there anywhere? >> >> What I believe is one popped up on one of my Facebook groups, and it'd >> be a trek to get it even if I can arrange a good price with the >> current owner - but it sounds like the software at the site, if it >> still exists, is unlikely to surface from a huge pile of detritus, so >> that automatically puts things right in boat anchor territory. >> >> There may or may not be a terminal, too; I get the impression those >> were optional (I've been told that there are two Tek terminals, I just >> don't know if they're the right models for this system). >> >> >> cheers >> >> Jules > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:15:11 -0700 > From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> > To: Jules Richardson via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software > Message-ID: <395e3439-3632-33ea-9579-883ad602b8e5 at bitsavers.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed > > On 7/19/21 4:03 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: >> >> Just out of interest, is the software for the Tektronix 8002 >> microprocessor lab archived out there anywhere? > > I have some but it is hard-sectored so I've never tried to read it. > > It's pretty unlikely anyone at the tek museum would have tried to > recover > the floppies even if they had them. > > One of my 'really like to try to recover' things at CHM is we have a > bunch of floppies from > the company that designed it for Tek, but someone put a center punch > through every disk, so > I'm going to have to take them out of the jacket and try to flatten > the dent out as best as > I can. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:20:19 -0700 > From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software > Message-ID: <a0c2c3a7-4c74-81da-1f40-a581d3f29fda at bitsavers.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed > > On 7/19/21 4:03 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: >> >> Just out of interest, is the software for the Tektronix 8002 >> microprocessor lab archived out there anywhere? >> > > It would be nice to save a complete system though, since most have > been tossed out since there is little > practical use for them now. I never had a whole one, just board sets > for various processors that I collected > over the years. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:25:21 -0700 > From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> > To: Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software > Message-ID: <f4bafaa8-f4d9-95aa-016e-68d36d7c8b8a at bitsavers.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed > > On 7/19/21 4:20 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> On 7/19/21 4:03 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > >> It would be nice to save a complete system though, since most have >> been tossed out since there is little >> practical use for them now. > > I've collected a LOT of in-circuit emulators and microprocessor > development systems over the decades, and > I'm trying to decide right now what I'm going to do with them. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:53:25 -0500 > From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software > Message-ID: <8d864579-a8be-c8b1-9734-d208d0c10bcf at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed > > On 7/19/21 6:20 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> On 7/19/21 4:03 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> Just out of interest, is the software for the Tektronix 8002 >>> microprocessor lab archived out there anywhere? >>> >> >> It would be nice to save a complete system though, since most have >> been >> tossed out since there is little >> practical use for them now. > > Well sadly it's looking like game over. By the sounds of it there's a > basement full of old equipment and boards, and a scrapper out in OH has > offered $6k for the lot, sight unseen, just on the hope that they can > make > a buck on the gold and palladium content. > > The next offer seems to be from someone who's planning on just dumping > it > on ebay - so if the scrapper deal falls through maybe it'll resurface > on > That Auction Site for lolprice... > > This is starting to feel like one of those situations where it's a huge > shame that the original owner of this stuff didn't have a will > expressing > what should be done with it all. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 20:17:27 -0500 > From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software > Message-ID: <a734724d-b7f5-deb8-6e1f-10e429e8f43f at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed > > On 7/19/21 7:53 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: >> Well sadly it's looking like game over. By the sounds of it there's a >> basement full of old equipment and boards, and a scrapper out in OH >> has >> offered $6k for the lot, sight unseen, just on the hope that they can >> make >> a buck on the gold and palladium content. > > annnnd... right after I hit send on that, things start looking up > again. > The guy responsible for this stuff doesn't seem to want it to get > scrapped > any more than I do, and he got in touch with folks down at Cape > Canaveral > (there are various ex-NASA things in the pile), then talked to the > family > of the estate; it sounds like some of it at least might get donated to > the > collection down there. > > I'm not sure about non-NASA things at this point, we'll see - but it > sounds > like there's interest now in not junking it, at least! > > Jules > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:56:29 -0700 > From: Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> > To: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com>, "General > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software > Message-ID: <DE9B0230-1D5D-4416-992D-6B60A7886F17 at avanthar.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Jul 19, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> On 7/19/21 7:53 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: >>> Well sadly it's looking like game over. By the sounds of it there's a >>> basement full of old equipment and boards, and a scrapper out in OH >>> has offered $6k for the lot, sight unseen, just on the hope that they >>> can make a buck on the gold and palladium content. >> >> annnnd... right after I hit send on that, things start looking up >> again. The guy responsible for this stuff doesn't seem to want it to >> get scrapped any more than I do, and he got in touch with folks down >> at Cape Canaveral (there are various ex-NASA things in the pile), then >> talked to the family of the estate; it sounds like some of it at least >> might get donated to the collection down there. >> >> I'm not sure about non-NASA things at this point, we'll see - but it >> sounds like there's interest now in not junking it, at least! >> >> Jules > > That?s a bit of good news! > > Zane > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 22:03:49 -0500 > From: Jay Jaeger <cube1 at charter.net> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Items Wanted > Message-ID: <9ac110f9-2407-c9ba-6ec5-d70e9fd10d26 at charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 7/11/2021 9:33 AM, Eric Moore via cctalk wrote: >> Hello, I am looking for any of the following items. I have terminals >> and >> assorted qbus and S100 cards for trade, or am happy to discuss payment >> :). >> >> 1) Qbus scsi card > > You and me both. ;) I have one - and I intend to keep it. > >> 2) Emulex TC01 >> 3) QBUS bus probe >> 4) SD2SCSI > > Do you mean a device that emulates a SCSI drive with an SD card? Why > not just go out and purchase a SCSI2SD V5.1 - a little slower than the > newer ones, but works fine in my Sun, SGI and Intergraph Boxen. > > I also just bought one of the less expensive Androda SCSI emulators - > designed for Macs, really, but it might work and it is relatively > inexpensive. > >> 5) Teletype DRPE or ARPE (already have a BRPE) paper tape punches >> 6) AED/tektronix/SGI/etc... graphics terminal > > FYI, if you have "Pizza Boxes" then I have found that the cable > commonly > available (VGA one end, 13W3 on the other - the one with switches on > it) > works well on both Sun and SGI Boxen. Google Sun VGA 13W3 on eBay. > You probably want the one with the switches.) > >> 7) Unfomatted pertec controller (any bus) > > I have some old Pertec formatters that have no bus interface. Free to > good homes. Some were mouse houses for a while, but were subsequently > cleaned up reasonably well. Models F649-72 (2 of those) and F649-40. > Heavy to ship. > > In addition, I think I have a TC031, Pertec/QBus (I think) that I > really > am not using. I tried it out once - I think the issue was that I had a > Pertec interface speed mismatch between it and the HP drive I have with > a Pertec interface (which also has issues with loading tape.) I > suspect it is formatted, however. > >> 8) S100 jade bus probe, system monitor board, or similar >> 9) Anything fabri-tek, Gould, or SEL > > I have a Fabritek memory box. I think it was on a PDP-12, but am not > 100% certain without going back and looking at old paperwork. I am not > sure of its condition, electrically speaking - whether it had slots for > cables, or cables coming out of it, and if the latter, whether they are > intact. It has been stored in my basement for decades, low and dray. > That would take some work to pry out of my hands. > >> 10) blinkenlights and flippenpaddles computers, any interesting front >> panels, etc... >> 11) ESDI disk emulator > > I am not aware of any such beasties in the wild. MFM, yes, but I > haven't seen ESDI. I would love for such a thing to exist, thinking > of > my Apollo, 3B2 and IBM RT/PC workstations. > >> >> Thank you! >> >> -Eric >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 21:00:27 -0700 > From: Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> > To: Jay Jaeger <cube1 at charter.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Items Wanted > Message-ID: <3EFC578F-97F0-468A-B3F1-8E4C17094843 at avanthar.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Jul 19, 2021, at 8:03 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> On 7/11/2021 9:33 AM, Eric Moore via cctalk wrote: >>> Hello, I am looking for any of the following items. I have terminals >>> and >>> assorted qbus and S100 cards for trade, or am happy to discuss >>> payment :). >>> 1) Qbus scsi card >> >> You and me both. ;) I have one - and I intend to keep it. > > Yeah, they are sort of a necessity. > >>> 4) SD2SCSI >> >> Do you mean a device that emulates a SCSI drive with an SD card? Why >> not just go out and purchase a SCSI2SD V5.1 - a little slower than the >> newer ones, but works fine in my Sun, SGI and Intergraph Boxen. > > The SCSI2SD v5.1 should be faster than the Q-Bus. I bought several > recently, and plan to put one in my PDP-11/73. I even opted for these > for my VAXstation 4000?s. I figure I?ll use the newer ones in an > AlphaStation. > >>> 11) ESDI disk emulator >> >> I am not aware of any such beasties in the wild. MFM, yes, but I >> haven't seen ESDI. I would love for such a thing to exist, thinking >> of my Apollo, 3B2 and IBM RT/PC workstations. > > I?d also love to have one of these, preferably using SD or CF cards. > The Webster WQESD/04 card is a fantastic card, it?s only downfall is > that it works with ESDI drives, rather than SCSI, and they?re big and > loud. :-) > > Zane > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:16:28 -0400 > From: Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair > Message-ID: <820d43ed-e32d-4394-4038-bb662f5e6798 at telegraphics.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 > > On 2021-07-19 6:06 p.m., Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: >> >> Yes most core stringing was outsourced. >> > > There's more detail on early core production in the book "IBM's Early > Computers", iirc. (And possibly "A Few Good Men From Univac".) > > >> ... >> Rod Smallwood ? -- Digital Equipment Corporation? 1975 to 1985 >> >> >> On 19/07/2021 22:50, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: >>> On 7/19/21 3:40 AM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: >>>> I believe much of the core manufacturing for DEC minicomputers was >>>> outsourced, but a lot of it had become much more automated by the >>>> late 60's and early 70's. >>> >>> I've got a trio of planes here, two of which are from a Lockheed >>> MAC-16, but the other one is made by Keronix out of Santa Monica for >>> an unknown machine (dated 1973, model number "P4" and p/n 816335 if >>> that means anything to anyone, approx 16"x16" with two 100-pin, >>> double-sided finger edge connectors on 0.1" spacing). >>> >>> Anyhoo, the Keronix one has a sticker on it saying it was repaired by >>> DMA, inc. in Amery, WI in 1980 - which might suggest that there were >>> third parties around working on boards, rather than them having to go >>> back to the manufacturer for repair. (I have no idea what the nature >>> of the repair was, of course; maybe it was to surrounding logic >>> rather >>> than the mat itself). >>> >>>> It's worth noting that most computer manufacturers appreciated the >>>> fragility of core memory planes at the time, with most of them being >>>> protected with either PCB's or perspex/plastic shields on top of the >>>> core planes. >>> >>> Yes, that's how all the ones I've ever seen have been. The Keronix >>> one >>> has an additional shield over the top of the entire PCB, on top of >>> the >>> one protecting the cores. >>> >>> Jules > > > > End of cctech Digest, Vol 82, Issue 15 > **************************************

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Items Wanted

by mooreericnyc＠gmail.com

Hello, I am looking for any of the following items. I have terminals and assorted qbus and S100 cards for trade, or am happy to discuss payment :). 1) Qbus scsi card 2) Emulex TC01 3) QBUS bus probe 4) SD2SCSI 5) Teletype DRPE or ARPE (already have a BRPE) paper tape punches 6) AED/tektronix/SGI/etc... graphics terminal 7) Unfomatted pertec controller (any bus) 8) S100 jade bus probe, system monitor board, or similar 9) Anything fabri-tek, Gould, or SEL 10) blinkenlights and flippenpaddles computers, any interesting front panels, etc... 11) ESDI disk emulator Thank you! -Eric

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WANTED: IBM 360 operators panel

by hills.barry＠gmail.com

I am looking for an IBM 360 operator panel. Model 55 would be wonderful but I would consider any 360/370. To be used for demo so condition of switches & lights is important.

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DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair

by rsmilward＠frontier.com

Going by the size, I'd say the Keronix board is for a Data General Nova or one of its ilk. Keronix did make core boards with p/n starting 816 for Novas. **Richard Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:50:10 -0500 From: Jules Richardson<jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> To:cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair Message-ID:<769e6168-9024-fa20-5b9c-ed1cb91ec641 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed On 7/19/21 3:40 AM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: > I believe much of the core manufacturing for DEC minicomputers was > outsourced, but a lot of it had become much more automated by the late 60's > and early 70's. I've got a trio of planes here, two of which are from a Lockheed MAC-16, but the other one is made by Keronix out of Santa Monica for an unknown machine (dated 1973, model number "P4" and p/n 816335 if that means anything to anyone, approx 16"x16" with two 100-pin, double-sided finger edge connectors on 0.1" spacing). Anyhoo, the Keronix one has a sticker on it saying it was repaired by DMA, inc. in Amery, WI in 1980 - which might suggest that there were third parties around working on boards, rather than them having to go back to the manufacturer for repair. (I have no idea what the nature of the repair was, of course; maybe it was to surrounding logic rather than the mat itself). > It's worth noting that most computer manufacturers appreciated the > fragility of core memory planes at the time, with most of them being > protected with either PCB's or perspex/plastic shields on top of the core > planes. Yes, that's how all the ones I've ever seen have been. The Keronix one has an additional shield over the top of the entire PCB, on top of the one protecting the cores. Jules

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VT101 parts available, found on Reddit

by rice43＠btinternet.com

Someone on Reddit has found much of a VT101 and would like to rehome it. Not sure where he's located, but somewhere in US Thread is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/ogy6im/so_i_found_a_vt10…

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Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab software

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

Just out of interest, is the software for the Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab archived out there anywhere? What I believe is one popped up on one of my Facebook groups, and it'd be a trek to get it even if I can arrange a good price with the current owner - but it sounds like the software at the site, if it still exists, is unlikely to surface from a huge pile of detritus, so that automatically puts things right in boat anchor territory. There may or may not be a terminal, too; I get the impression those were optional (I've been told that there are two Tek terminals, I just don't know if they're the right models for this system). cheers Jules

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DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair

by ccth6600＠gmail.com

I am curious if anyone has attempted to repair (replace) a broken wire in a PDP-8/e H212 (MM8EJ) core mat (8 k word). The cores are not visible without a microscope. I cannot imagine how these were even manufactured and wonder if DEC service centers repaired core mat faults or if faulty boards were simply discarded. CDC 6600 cores were huge in comparison and I would not hesitate to replace a broken core wire on those. Best regards Tom Hunter

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DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair

by rice43＠btinternet.com

------ Original Message ------ From: "Tom Hunter via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, 19 Jul, 2021 At 06:33 Subject: DEC PDP-8/e H212 core mat repair I am curious if anyone has attempted to repair (replace) a broken wire in a PDP-8/e H212 (MM8EJ) core mat (8 k word). The cores are not visible without a microscope. I cannot imagine how these were even manufactured and wonder if DEC service centers repaired core mat faults or if faulty boards were simply discarded. CDC 6600 cores were huge in comparison and I would not hesitate to replace a broken core wire on those. Best regards Tom Hunter These patents might be enlightening. I'm sure there's others, but these are some i've found on a quick search. https://patents.google.com/patent/US4161037A <https://patents.google.com/patent/US4161037A> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3668664 <https://patents.google.com/patent/US3668664> Josh

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HP 2100A Restoration

by johnr＠grebnesor.com

Hello, I came across a web article in which you discussed restoring an HP2100A. I spent many years working on this computer and have the front panel. I am doing some work on it to produce a display for fun. I am replacing the incandescent globes with LEDs and using a Raspberry Pi to control them. The question I have is, do you know an easy way to remove and insert globes in the front panel switches please? I am based in Melbourne, Australia. Many thanks John _____________________________________________________ Professor John Rosenberg E: johnr at grebnesor.com M: +61 418 253001

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VaxBrick (vax 4000-50, KA600 ) Owners manual/technical manual

by kiwi_jonathan＠yahoo.com

Doe anyone have an "owners manual" or technical manual for the KA600 aka VaxBrick aka Vax 4000-50? I have most of a Vaxbrick, but I'd sooner run Unix on it that VMS. But I know of no open-source OS which supports the KA600. I'd guess most of the internal devices are similar to SCSI or DSSI on high-end Microvaxes/vaxstations; but that's a guess. There's a listing on eBay for a lot which includes vaxbricks. I've made an offer on it, but let the offer expire after finding no open-source drivers. I'm willing to front purchase of the lot, if others are interested in buying a VaxBrick in a BA213 or BA 215. -Jonathan Stone

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RP/M2 by Micro Methods Inc

by cctalk＠ibm51xx.net

>I found a copy of RP/M2 for the IBM PC by Micro >Methods Inc. with manual >and some floppies, 8" and 5.25".? According to the >manual, this was a >CP/M compatible operating system.??David,Did you see the article on page 94:http://www.bitsavers.org/magazines/Micro_Cornucopia/Micro_Cornucopia_%23…

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Writings on AI from 17 years ago....

by cz＠alembic.crystel.com

I was looking through some old journal entries and found this: AI is lonely... She has been sitting quietly in my house for the past 8 years. She runs, but is old now and tired. Most of the time she sits in her room and waits patiently. Waits for the users who ran jobs in the middle of the night. Waits for PFTMG to run the daily feed. Waits for someone to Alt-U in and begin to hack... Waits for the TU77 MASSBUS interfact to be repaired Waits for RP07 drives that will never be repaired Waits to once again run the ITS tapes that sit quietly nearby. She's lonely. And although I have been looking after her for a long time, she needs help. Is anyone still interested? No, she will not be trashed. But perhaps the knight that guards her is getting old and needs someone else to share the load. Someone who won't just sell her on Ebay or break her apart or dump her off a loading dock. I worked too hard to save her from that. Twice. I owe her a lot; she rescued me way back when, yaknow. In a way she contributed greatly in making me the hacker I am today. But in the day and age where one can run a full ITS on a palm pilot is there any room for MIT-AI? And so the knight returns to quietly guard the last remaining ITS... CZ The funny part is someone replied "Donate it to a museum" and I wrote: "*nod* Unfortunately, after the Boston Computer Museum debacle, I'm a bit wary of museums. Other problem is it would just get stuck in a back room and eventually tossed like it almost did at Digex." Sometimes I wonder if I did fail. Anyone know if the LCM will be open this summer? I'm going to be in Seattle for a day in August, wouldn't mind stopping by and seeing how it was doing.... CZ

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Looking for VAX6000 items (Paul Koning)

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

> > From: Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> > To: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com>, "cctalk at classiccmp.org" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Looking for VAX6000 items > > A number of the large disk drives use 3 phase motors; RP04/5/6 are > examples as well. > > Three phase motors won't run on single phase power without help from run > capacitors. (There is no such thing as "two phase power" -- 220 volts is > single phase, balanced.) > > paul > The RP06 uses 220VAC single phase motors for the spindle and blower. I converted an RP06 from three-phase to single-phase to use with PDP-10 KS10 at home. Instructions are here: https://sites.google.com/site/mthompsonorg/Home/pdp-10/rm03-and-rp06-inform… -- Michael Thompson

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Koning TECO

by athornton＠gmail.com

Paul Koning may be pleased to know that his implementation of TECO has supplanted Blake McBride's TECOC as the standard TECO in the Rubin Observatory's Science Platform Interactive Notebook Aspect. https://github.com/lsst-sqre/nublado/blob/f6b186081c0a3c9e12a1935db304ee2b3… Of course if there is sufficient outcry from the user community I could be convinced to include both in the image, at least until my boss catches me doing it. Adam

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Looking for VAX6000 items

by abacos_98＠yahoo.com

Started work on putting together a couple of VAX6000. 4x0 and 5x0. Looking for spare XMI, VAXBI, Cab kits DSSI,Ethernet,CI, Storage arrays, spare regulators etc. Will travel the Northeast for larger items.Also Engineering drawings as the ones on Bitsavers are really hard to read. Thanks,Brian.

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DEC use of switching supplies (Was: Looking for VAX6000 items)

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Chris Zach > The older Vaxes had linear power supplies if I recall up to the time > of the Decsystem/2020 (when they went switching at last) Really? The H742 power supply: https://gunkies.org/wiki/H742_Power_Supply (well, technically, the associated 'bricks', such as the H744, etc) from about 1972 were switching supplies, so I'm suprised that the much later VAXen (any of them) used linear supplies. Of course, the H744/etc switching supplies didn't use a lot of the techniques used in modern switching supplies to make them small and light (e.g. stepping up the frequency to allow use of a small transformer); the H742 still has a whacking great transformer in it. But they were switching supplies (as we discussed here a while back at some length), not linear. Noel

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KI10/KL10 I/O bus terminator

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

Hey, anyone need a KI10/KL10 I/O Bus terminator: https://gunkies.org/wiki/File:KIKLIOBusTerm.jpg (H867)? Since I don't have either a KI10 or a KL10, I'm unlikely to ever have a need/use for this one! :-) Noel

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Looking for Maxtor LXT/MXT series firmware updates / docs

by classiccmp＠philpem.me.uk

Hi folks, Has anyone happened to squirrel away a copy of the Maxtor/Sequel LXT or MXT series documentation or firmware updates? I've got an LXT200A sat on the bench which seems to have corrupted on-disk firmware -- the firmware version is shown as "1.02BROM" I've got an identical second drive which works but has bad sectors, which identifies as "1.02BHAT". I'm hoping to dump the on-disk firmware on the working one and load it onto the dead one -- either onto disk or temporarily into RAM... high hopes I know. This is all an experimental thing - the local data recovery firms aren't interested in a drive this old or this small... If anyone has a mirror of Maxtor's old FTP site or support BBS, these are some of the files I'm after... MXTA_53.EXE MAIN 41K 03/94 MXT540A/AL Frimware Rev 5.3 firmware 540 MXTA_54.EXE MAIN 40K 03/94 MXT540A/AL Firmware Rev 5.4 Firmware Upgrade for MXT-540AT. MXTA_55.EXE MAIN 40K 03/94 MXT540A/AL Firmware Rev 5.5 Firmware Upgrade for MXT-540AT. MXTA_60.EXE MAIN 41K 03/94 MXT540A/AL Firmware Rev 6.0 Firmware Upgrade for MXT-540AT. Alternatively the same covering the LXT series. Or this (or similar) documents covering the LXT series: MAXTOR LXT-200A TECHNICAL MANUAL 1019707 Cheers Phil.

3 years, 9 months

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IBM 534 data entry (Keypunch) machine for sale near Spokane, WA

by spam＠hell.org

Just saw this on CraigsList - not my ad. It might be worth someone grabbing before it goes to a scraper. https://spokane.craigslist.org/sop/d/spokane-ibm-card-punch-machine/7331662… -mike

3 years, 9 months

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Items Wanted

by mmcgraw74＠gmail.com

> > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 19:57:06 -0500 > From: Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> > To: Classic Computers <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Items Wanted > Message-ID: > < > CAE1er56kMOyVeQ4eorgS8fUjHRrCKy_T7DAwTUpebFJAWSO2gA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Also, I am in central texas :) > > Thanks! > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 9:33 AM Eric Moore <mooreericnyc at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, I am looking for any of the following items. I have terminals and > > assorted qbus and S100 cards for trade, or am happy to discuss payment > :). > > > > 1) Qbus scsi card > > 2) Emulex TC01 > > 3) QBUS bus probe > > 4) SD2SCSI > > 5) Teletype DRPE or ARPE (already have a BRPE) paper tape punches > > 6) AED/tektronix/SGI/etc... graphics terminal > > 7) Unfomatted pertec controller (any bus) > > 8) S100 jade bus probe, system monitor board, or similar > > 9) Anything fabri-tek, Gould, or SEL > > 10) blinkenlights and flippenpaddles computers, any interesting front > > panels, etc... > > 11) ESDI disk emulator > > > > Thank you! > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > Eric, I'm on NW side of Houston and have a Siemens T100 teleprinter with stand in my garage that needs a new home :) It is untested, but too heavy to ship. Monty

3 years, 9 months

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TECO

by paulkoning＠comcast.net

For the TECO fans out there this might be of interest: https://github.com/pkoning2/pyteco paul

3 years, 9 months

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Help Identifying Mystery SBUS Cards

by rshepprd＠gmail.com

The only thing I got from the FCCID (GWV 76CG3) on the ?SVideo with Composite? was ?Color Frame Buffer I/O Card? Richard Sent from Mail for Windows 10

3 years, 9 months

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Help Identifying Mystery SBUS Cards

by classiccmp＠jouhe.org

Hello all, I was hoping to tap into the considerable Sun Microsystems experience within this group. I picked up a significant quantity of Sun SPARC equipment back in the early 00?s and due to life/children/etc. have only recently been able to start cataloguing it. In particular, I had a somewhat tatty box full of assorted SBUS cards. Amongst the usual GX / TGX frame buffers, ethernet and narrow SCSI cards were some more unusual ones I?ve struggled to identify. I have photographed (poorly, I only have my mobile phone camera) the items, and they can be viewed here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kv42ig8nucikt0p/AAAKMZkqn9r19Ti0yKllQ2g8a?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kv42ig8nucikt0p/AAAKMZkqn9r19Ti0yKllQ2g8a?dl=0> Here is a text description of the cards, in case it can be useful: (1) A dual-width SBUS card with no internal or external interfaces or backplate. Other features include 2x LSI chips 'LIA7321 EK7B7483' and 'LIA6371 EK7B7484? and a sticker displaying '7B7488 011 0110-014 0643 1700556 9651? a barcode ?J0BAW?. I wondered if it might be a DSP of some kind? (2) A dual width SBUS framebuffer, with space for a piggyback daughter SBUS card in the middle. It features 3 x Bt457 RAMDACs and an Actel A1020A chip. (3) A 3M fibre card, looks like a prototype based on the number of bodge wires. FDDI? Marked '3M ASSY 78-8095-5382-5', ROM marked FOSSIL BD. 1AS8. (4) Possible Serial card with a DB9 connector, although there?s WAY too much logic for a simple serial card. Has a jumper for 4Mhz / 16Mhz which hints at maybe something Token-ring? (5) A SBUS card with S-Video and what I assume to be composite. Looks like a 501-3019 on first inspection but there?s less logic and no heatsink on board. (6) A rather beautiful (to look at) SBUS card by Performance Technologies Inc. This one strikes me as a multi-port serial card although I don?t have the breakout HD80 lead for it. Has a chip marked 820P010201 HG62S038R02F 9120, a sticker ?120P010001' and on the back of the board '#595801-01 DC 9116 NT2V0 94V0' and '124-010000?. Any insight would be gratefully received! Thanks, Austin.

3 years, 9 months

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OT: SiC Radio for Venus lander

by rdbrown0au＠gmail.com

Alan Mantooth, Carl-Mikael Zetterling and Ana Rusu (28 April 2021) "The Radio We Could Send to Hell: Silicon carbide radio circuits can take the volcanic heat of Venus" IEEE Spectrum https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/materials/the-radio-we-could-send-… "The average surface temperature on Venus is 464 ?C, the atmosphere is dense with highly corrosive droplets of sulfuric acid, and the atmospheric pressure at the surface is about 90 times that of Earth." (Teflon melts at 327 ?C) The following thesis describes the Vulcan II chip mentioned a bit more Benavides Herrera, Maria Raquel, "An RS-485 Transceiver in a Silicon Carbide CMOS Process" (2018).Theses and Dissertations 3067 "The RS?485 was designed in a 1.2 ?m SiC CMOS process technology developed by Raytheon Systems Limited (UK) called High Temperature Silicon Carbide (HiTSiC?). The components available in this process include: NMOS and PMOS devices, on-chip resistors, diodes, and capacitors. The process key features are given below: ? 4H-SiC process ? N-type substrate ? Supply voltage of 15 V 5? Single metal layer, two layers of polysilicon (one being high sheet resistance poly) ? Operating temperatures greater than 300?C" ... --- In 1988's 1.2?m CMOS process the MIPS R3010 floating-point coprocessor was about 75,000 transistors on an ~8mm x 8mm die. Are there markets for SiC CMOS devices with large transistor counts? Watching Curious Marc's video mentioning Triton missile/Saturn V bit-serial computer implementations, reminded me of: Olof Kindgren (2019) Bit by bit - How to fit 8 RISC-V cores in a $38 FPGA board https://riscv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/12.15-SERV-Zurich-Copy.pdf https://github.com/olofk/serv "SERV is an award-winning bit-serial RISC-V core" (RV32I) (Not an engineer - guessing) If process limits mean large SiC memories are unlikely, what other technologies would work in the 400?500?C temperature range? Magnetic bubble memory? Twistors if threading cores automatically remains infeasible? For cameras could you build vacuum tube sensors containing SiC devices if useful?

3 years, 9 months

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DEC HP sgi ibm and misc for sale

by lyokoboy0＠gmail.com

I am making room to work on my pdp 11 and mainframe computers. The following things are for sale : 3 Dec decmate computers with kb and monitor. Partway loads into the WP os but the floppy is bad, and i dont have more Sgi tezro Hp 9000 desktop for hp -ux with cables Working microvax 3100 with install of vms. Vt terminal availible for sale too to go with it. Hp 9000 for basic. Was used with test insturments like volt meters, relay controllers hpib etc for process control. Many hp keyboards with chicklet keys availible for this system Tandy vgm 300 monitor Enough crt monitors to sink a boat. Nec, viewsonic, ibm, etc. S100 bus computer chassis with backplane, power supply and proto boards. A single S100 backplane Isa /pci single board computer backplanes Isa 486 and pentium single board computers. Works standalone or with previously mentioned backplane Rackmount 68k vme bus motorolla computer with floppy, hard drive and proto boards. (Must be sold together will not seperate) books for like every version of irix apple early windows maya, power animator, discreet, etc. Sgi install cd sets. Sgi power animator cd. Studio paint. Misc hotmix cd's. Trs 80 model 3. No keyboard. Posts, bad floppy drive hangs up boot. Unplug it and it works. Big / heavy. Dec alphastation 255 computers x3 I had vms on them at some point. Wyse dumb terminal in original box Many televideo dumb terminals Ibm bladecenter h chassis with misc blades and spare fans etc. Shipping will be expensive. Hp 50mhz dual trace scope 54200a. Working apple mac plus with kb and external 20 mb hard drive. No battery damage. Clean. Boots. Runs. Im sure to find more to list. Send some offers my way and ill ship it out. Located in melbourne fl. https://mastodon.technology/@mrbill0/media? Most of my stuff is on my mastadon gallery, welcome to scroll through. I can provide pictures of said machines upon request, too much to take pictures of right now though. --Devin D.

3 years, 9 months

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In search of RLX blade software

by camiel.vanderhoeven＠vmssoftware.com

I?ve been given a couple of RLX blade server chassis loaded with blades (one with Transmeta Crusoe cpu?s, and one with Pentium III cpu?s). I hope you?ll allow me to count these as ?vintage? because of their interesting origin: the Pentium III loaded chassis was part of a 768 node computer cluster at the Sanger Institute in the UK, and was used in the last stretch of the DNA sequencing computations for the Human Genome Project. I?d like to build a compute cluster out of these, but I don?t have the rpm?s they supplied to customize Linux for their blades. Ideally, I?d hope to find a copy of their ?Control Tower? blade management software, and their customized Linux installation images, but just the bare rpm?s would do for now. From the RLX platform guide, I?d hope to find: kernel-*rlx*.i386.rpm kernel-headers-*rlx*.i386.rpm devfsd-*rlx*.i386.rpm ucd-snmp-*rlx*.i386.rpm net-snmp-*rlx*.i386.rpm ucd-snmp-utils-*rlx*.i386.rpm net-snmp-utils-*rlx*.i386.rpm bootctl-*rlx*.i386.rpm atftp-*rlx*.i386.rpm lm_sensors-*-*rlx*.i386.rpm lm_sensors-drivers-*-*rlx*.i386.rpm lm_sensors-devel-*-*rlx*.i386.rpm base-utils-*rlx*.i386.rpm runctl-*rlx*.noarch.rpm networkcfg-*rlx*.noarch.rpm mgmtmode-*rlx*.noarch.rpm namedcfg-*rlx*.noarch.rpm dhcpdcfg-*rlx*.noarch.rpm lilo-*rlx*.i386.rpm grub-*rlx*.i386.rpm rlx-clientpm-*rlx*.i386.rpm This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain privileged, confidential, proprietary, private, copyrighted, or other legally protected information. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity designated above. If you are not the intended recipient (even if the e-mail address above is yours), please notify us by return e-mail immediately, and delete the message and any attachments. Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this message or any attachments by an individual or entity other than the intended recipient is prohibited.

3 years, 9 months

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TeleCompaq Disks

by tyl3rhay3s＠gmail.com

Hello there! Has anyone here had the TeleCompaq setup disks imaged? I see that there are a few in the CHM's possession, but besides that, no images. If so can you please send me the image files? Thanks, Tyler Hayes

3 years, 9 months

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Lecture: How I ported Space Invaders to a video game console from 1978, 2021-07-10, 19:00

by stueberahoo＠yahoo.de

Hi all, you're invited to the Update computer club[0] public lecture series "Updateringar"[1]! Update is a Swedish computer club founded in 1983 whose members tinker with all kinds of computers, from Raspberry Pi to PDP-12. The club has a big collection of historic computers. In this lecture series we'll talk about everything related to computers: Historic and modern computers, operating systems, programming, hardware projects, creating art with computers, building a computer museum, and more. When: 2021-07-10, 19:00 CEST Where: https://bbb.cryptoparty.se/b/upd-0mo-m2u-aq8 How I ported Space Invaders to a video game console from 1978 Bjarni walks us through his recent port of the arcade classic to the Philips Videopac, a second-generation video game console. He explains the hardware limitations and shows tricks used to get around them ? unlike in the arcade machine there is no frame buffer, and the functionality of the hardware sprites is severely constrained on the Videopac. The development of the port was done on real hardware with a home-made USB-connected game cartridge. Bjarni Juliusson (Update) The lecture is free and open to everyone. Upcoming: 2021-08-14, 19:00: The Whirlwind I. Angelo Papenhoff (Humboldt University of Berlin) Hope to see you there, Anke [0] http://www.update.uu.se/index_eng.html [1] https://www.update.uu.se/wiki/doku.php/projekt:updateringar

3 years, 10 months

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FTGH for pickup in So Cal: PDP-11/44, Macs, Atari ST, RiscPC, ...

by spectre＠floodgap.com

Well, the pandemic turns everything upside down and we're looking at new employment, a new place and probably having to slash a few things. First on the chopping block is to consolidate and downsize storage. These systems and peripherals are all free to a good home; all you have to do is pick them up. Pick up any and all, with priority given to those who are interested in multiple units. I've tried to describe them as completely as possible. A few items have "on your honour" conditions. I'm also giving priority to classiccmp readers before I post public elsewhere. The items are in various places over the Riverside-San Bernardino area in Southern California depending on where and when I acquired them, so send me an off-list E-mail and we'll figure it out based on their location. THESE ITEMS NEED TO BE GONE IN THE NEXT MONTH. If you need a little extra time, we can work something out; I'd rather not scrap what someone has an interest in, but obviously with a likely move approaching, the sooner the better. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= POSSIBLY WORKING: PDP-11/44 with at least four disk packs and lots of paper tape and 8" floppies, sitting on top of what I think is a TU58. I never got the chance to fire it on. You will need a truck, probably a cart and definitely a hernia belt. There is also a big Kennedy disk next to it but I don't know if they originally went together. POSSIBLY WORKING: DEC VT100. This got bashed around a little and the case is a little loose, and I don't know if it works, but it's an honest to Ford VT100. NOT WORKING: Alpha Micro S-100 system. I got this when I had more money with the intention of rehabilitating it when I had more time, and now I have less of both. It will work for other S-100 cards. Whatever cards and devices are in there are all yours. They are heavy steel drawers and it can take big cards. There are two boxes; please take both. NOT WORKING: Acorn RiscPC 700 and Castle Iyonix PC. Like the AM S-100 system, I got this when I had more money but not enough time, and now I have neither. They need specialist restoration as neither system powers on, and it doesn't appear to be (just) the PSU. In particular, the RiscPC came to me with a leaky board battery which may have something to do with it. Both systems appear heavily upgraded but I don't have any inventory. If you are interested, it is expected you will be restoring the systems and not just turning around to part them out; there aren't that many of these machines on this side of the Atlantic (on your honour). Please take both units; you will get a big box of software and RiscPC artifacts from the previous owner as well. WORKING: Snow iMac G3 (600MHz, 512MB RAM). Works fine, comes up in stock 10.3.9. Needs a new PRAM battery but in good shape otherwise. Add your own USB keyboard and mouse. This was a gift from a good buddy, so it goes to you with the understanding you will try to find it a home if you don't want it instead of trying to sell it (on your honour). Everyone should have the joy of an original iMac. NOT WORKING: Atari STacy, disassembled. I was working on the system to replace the hard disk and one of the power headers got shifted which put 12V on a 5V line. Guaranteed this liberated some magic smoke from the motherboard or a yet-to-be-detected fuse somewhere, but the keyboard, RAM card, screen and such were all functional at the time I effed up and probably still are. You will get it in a fabulous Office Depot box with "STacy" written on it using a half-dead Sharpie. POSSIBLY WORKING: Mega ST4 with Megafile 60 and SC1224 and SM125 monitors. These are a bit yellowed and the keyboard is thrashed. Also, the TOS is on a separate card with two leads that got loose and I don't know where they go (probably to +Vcc and a select pin). Thus, can't test the monitors or the hard disk, but the system does power on, and the hard disk does power up and makes happy hard disk noises. No idea what's on it. The SM125 puts on a power light and does appear to try to make a picture, though its previous owner separated it from its stand for some reason. The SC1224 sounds like the flyback is bad but may be serviceable. Includes ST mouse and hard disk cable. No manuals or software. If you want this unit, you need to take everything including the monitors. NOT WORKING: Breadbox NTSC Commodore 64, in original box with power supply. Last time I powered it up, it generated a garbled display that suggested either bad RAM or PLA. You get to find out. PROBABLY WORKING: Tandy Color Computer 2, in original box. Was working when stored. PARTIALLY WORKING: Quad G5 2.5GHz x2x2, 8GB RAM, Nvidia 6600. Got whacked in shipping and one side of the case is damaged. No hard disk. Does power on and starts Apple Service Diagnostics fine, but the fans roar like the MGM lion and while there is no obvious leak you will need to service the liquid cooling system -- you're not thermal calibrating your way out of this one. Has the wireless card. Aftermarket optical drive needs "help" when you eject it. Add your own USB keyboard and mouse. NOT WORKING: Macintosh SE/30 (marked "Lake Washington"). 8MB RAM. Powers on and bright display on the monitor but Simasimacs immediately. Probably fine with a recap. Case yellowed as hell. I think I removed the hard disk, but if not, hey, free hard disk. Add your own ADB keyboard and mouse. NOT WORKING: Macintosh SE/30 (marked "Clover Park"). Also used to be my file server but then Simasimaced and now doesn't put a picture on the screen at all. Undoubtedly needs a recap and may need other repairs based on the funny pulsing of the system fan when connected to power. I think it had 4MB of RAM, don't recall exactly. I think I removed the hard disk, but if not, hey, free hard disk. Add your own ADB keyboard and mouse. PARTIALLY WORKING: Sawtooth Power Mac G4 450MHz. No RAM, no video card, no hard disk. Used to be my file server but had issues with one of the PCI slots. Has optical drive and ZIP with matching Apple bezels. Does power on, but obviously without RAM or a video card (AGP) will not pass POST. Add your own USB keyboard and mouse. NOT WORKING: Quad G5 2.5GHz x2x2, 16GB RAM, Nvidia 6600. This is in better physical condition and does power on and bong but shortly afterwards puts on OVERTEMP and CHECKSTOP lights, so you definitely will have to service the LCS and possibly the processors (no obvious leaks but I haven't checked thoroughly). No wireless card, no hard disk, OEM optical drive, add your own USB keyboard and mouse. NOT WORKING: Single G5 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM, GeForce 5200. The previous owner seemed to have had a disagreement with the front panel connector and the front panel connector lost. I received it stripped to the chassis except for the processor and the logic board, but it does have the fans, video card, wireless (with T-antenna), power supply and panel cable. Because the front panel connector is busted I can't test it. You get to replace the front panel assembly and put it back together. This unit is air-cooled, but probably could benefit from reapplying thermal compound while you're at it. Has optical drive (disconnected), no hard disk, add your own USB keyboard and mouse. Various other items: Newtek Video Toaster 4000 and Video Toaster Flyer boards with a whole mess of cables (looks like SCSI and some other internal pin header-type). Don't know if these are complete and no way to test. No software. Apple II Super Serial card with DB-25 670-0020-? (uses 6551 ACIA) and Apple IIe 80 column 64K memory expansion 607-0103-K. Can't test them but both look intact. Kurta Penmouse. Serial and PS/2 connectors. Seems to have a power supply jack (9V) but I don't have the power supply and I don't know if it needs it. Can't test it, no drivers, physically intact. Sun model 411 SCSI CD-ROM. Requires caddy. Won't mount discs, might need a recap. UMAX Astra 2100U flatbed USB scanner with power supply. Powers on. Works with classic Mac OS but probably most systems. No driver disc. Pair of Telular SX5 GSM terminals. These were the server room's backup communication system. They work, but no GSM network to connect to anymore. Might be fun if you set one up. Real serial ports! Real GSM modem! Full kits with power supply. Visual UpTime Select T1 CSU/DSU. Has a Cisco V.35 cable connected and jacks for Ethernet, serial, DSX-1 and T1. Powers on, obviously goes right into Red Alarm since there's no network. You telco nerds will love it. Various complete external modem packages ranging from 14.4 to 33.6K. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- The cost of living has not adversely affected its popularity. --------------

3 years, 10 months

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Atari ST & MegaFile with Minix?

by bear＠typewritten.org

I was playing with ST Minix (v1.1, based on PC Minix v1.3). I didn?t have any luck with Minix (neither the boot program nor the kernel) detecting the MegaFile (60 or 30, both the same outcome) on the Mega 4. Both MegaFiles worked fine with Minix on the 1040ST. So there must be some difference (timing?) between the ST and Mega. There are some usenet posts speculating on the cause of this, as well as contradictory user reports on whether it is known to work or not. So I?m not sure what to make of this. But Minix is pretty tight in 1 MB RAM, so I would like to understand why it shouldn?t work on the Mega 4. Any Atari ST experts on the list who can shed any light on why this might be the case? ok bear.

3 years, 10 months

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First new vax in ...30 years? :-)

by abs＠absd.org

In case anyone was interested in an FPGA VAX implementation http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-vax/2021/07/03/msg003899.html And/or thoughts on 64bit/FP & multiprocessor enhancements :-p http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-vax/2021/07/03/msg003903.html David

3 years, 10 months

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Free punched card deck machine, suitable to make reader and punch

by carlclaunch51＠gmail.com

I bought this years ago for a planned project to create a card reader and card punch for a mainframe replica, using this machine that was designed to reproduce decks of punched cards. It is very heavy and sturdy. It has two input hoppers and two stackers, one for the source cards and one for the punched copies. The punched head is cooled by ammonia gas, indicating that it was designed to operate at a healthy rate of cards per minute if it needed that kind of cooling. A keypunch, by comparison can punch cards at about 20 cpm with no need for cooling, so I estimate this could run at hundreds of CPM. This is ideal for a hobbyist would would convert it so that it reads cards into some kind of mini, mainframe or other computer device, with the other side able to punch contents from the same computer onto blank cards. This works with the standard IBM '5081' style 80 column punched cards. I am moving in 12 days and would need to send this to the scrap yard if someone isn't interested. I can hold it here until July 12th or 13th latest. You will need to bring help to move it as it weighs a few hundred pounds. Pictures at - https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/d/los-altos-free-punched-card-reader-p…

3 years, 10 months

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VT340 Emulation

by dj.taylor4＠comcast.net

Does anyone have experience with the Reflection software that will emulate a DEC VT340 color graphics terminal?

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PDP-11/05 microcode dump?

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Mattis Lind > Thanks Noel for sorting this out. Eh, de nada. But thank you. >> I wonder if the ucode in the two versions is identical? The uROM chip >> numbers should give it, (if they are the same on both versions, albeit >> in different locations on the board), but I have yet to check. Does >> anyone happen to know? OK, so the situation here is pretty complicated. To start with / make things worse, that CPU uses lots of PROMs. Lots and lots and lots and lots of PROMs. For the data paths board (M7260), both major versions appear to contain the same PROMs (going by the DEC part numbers), but the chip location (Exx) numbers are all different. For the control board (M7261), the C, E ('early' version) and F ('late' version) etch revisions each contain mostly the same PROMs, but apparently with slight differences between the sets of PROMs in each (as reflected in different DEC part numbers). For details see: http://gunkies.org/wiki/PDP-11/05#Control_PROMs to which I have just added all the gory details. As to getting the contents of all of them dumped in machine-readable form - oi vey! >> on the earlier version (prints for that version are in the GT40 prints >> online It turns out that I have hard-copy prints for the "C" etch revision of the M7261, which do not yet appear to be online; the GT40 prints have the "E" etch revision. I will scan the pages for that revision of the board, and put them up 'soon'. (I'm not doing the whole print set, it's about 1" thick, and most of them are for other things anyway, like MM11-L memory, etc.) Noel

3 years, 10 months

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cctech Digest, Vol 81, Issue 26

by aek＠bitsavers.org

On 6/29/21 10:00 AM, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > I miss that machine. I'd love to sim it but the code and schematics are > gone forever. Actually I think CHM has a box of stuff but I can't find a > link to it anymore. > another case where I watch cctalk, and this showed up only in cctech so I only saw it today since I only get digests of cctech https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/search/?s=adage some has been scanned http://bitsavers.org/pdf/adage

3 years, 10 months

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Konan The DJ 210 SASI Controller Manual

by billdegnan＠gmail.com

I noticed that there is no copy on bitsavers of the Konan Corp "The DJ 210" SASI Controller OEM Reference Manual so I posted one on my web site: https://www.vintagecomputer.net/cisc367/Konan_The_DJ_210_SASI.pdf I am not 100% sure, but if I was to guess this info could be applied to repairs for Tandy's and other 5MB hard drives of the era that used the ST506/412 and maybe the Tandon 603S (?) You be the judge, I am not an expert. Bill kennettclassic.com

3 years, 10 months

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Interesting photos of a computer graphics lab from 1968

by spam＠hell.org

A friend of mine collects old photos, and sent me a link to this set he just recovered from film. He doesn't know much about the provenance, but it might be interesting to figure out what we can about them. The link is here: https://www.espressobuzz.net/Found/GeorgeClark/GraphicsLab/ The film roll was dated June 1968, which was a month before I was born. The most interesting (to me) is the photo of the Adage Graphics Terminal. I'd never heard of the company before, but it looks like they were one of the many tech companies that sprang up in the MIT & Harvard orbit in the 60s and 70s. There's a small amount of info about the company on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adage,_Inc. Also in the same photo, to the right of the terminal is a silver box that might be an early joystick. It's hard to say. The pictures of the graphics terminal output is pretty cool, given that it's probably really pushing state of the art at the time. Also, they're in color, which was still not terribly common at the time. The only few photos I was able to find of Adage terminals are all black and white. Other recognizable hardware are a couple of ASR33 teletypes (one of which was rebadged as Adage), and some tape drives, the manufacture I don't recognize. Everything else, I pretty much can't make out what any of it is, but perhaps someone recognizes the particular layout of the blinkinlights? He was told that the pictures were taken "somewhere in the northeast". I suspect Boston, and therefore probably MIT or maybe Harvard. On the same roll were some pictures of "a colonial ship with lots of cannons", which I suspect was the USS Constitution in Boston Harbor, but I haven't seen those pics yet. I wonder if the tile pattern on the floor is distinct enough or recognizable? Anyway, it's an interesting set of archival photos, and I figured someone here might find them interesting or might recognize more than I do. -mike

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Fwd: Lawrence Moser Breed 1940-2021, A Personal Recollection

by lee_courtney＠acm.org

Sad computer history note - Larry Breed, one of the original implementors of Iverson Notation AKA A Programming Language AKA APL passed away last month. Larry went to work at IBM on the first APL implementation on an IBM 7090 in 1965 as his first job out of Stanford. My path crossed Larry's not thru APL, but when I was working my first retirement job at Hassett Hardware in downtown Palo Alto. Larry would come in to buy parts for his latest Burning Man or community project. He was a delightful person to talk with, learn something from, and just be around. I'm sorry I did not take the time to talk to him more about APL when I had the chance. There's a Wikipedia entry on Larry here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_M._Breed) and remembrances of him on the apl.comp.lang mailing list. God speed Larry and RIP. Lee Courtney

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Serial Multisession

by cctalk＠gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net

Does anyone know anything about the "Serial Multisession" that the VT LAN 40, and presumably other terminals, supports? I've not heard about it before and intend to do some research. But I figured that it was an interesting enough topic, that is multiplexing terminal sessions over a single serial link, to warrant further discussion. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

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INFAPLUG LAN

by binarydinosaurs＠gmail.com

Hello folks, A random conversation on twitter yesterday lead me to discovering an old 1980s LAN technology called INFAPLUG. This was a serial LAN hooked up via a PC serial port at 9600 baud to a ?smart plug? the size of a wall wart. This plug contained all the smarts and hooked into the coax backbone. There were boards available for VAX amongst other things so I?m amazed I?d never heard of it. Has anyone else? A small writeup is here: https://archive.org/details/lansexplainedgui00curr/page/64/mode/2up?q=infap… <https://archive.org/details/lansexplainedgui00curr/page/64/mode/2up?q=infap…> Cheers! -- Adrian Graham Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk

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On compiling. (Was a way off topic subject)

by sieler＠allegro.com

Paul K got it right: "Any language can be interpreted or compiled. For some languages, like LISP and TECO, interpreting is a rather natural implementation techniques, while for others (C, ALGOL) compilation is the obvious answer. But either is possible." A few quick notes... Back around 1973, I wrote a compiler for InterLISP on the Burroughs B6700, with the target code being a new P-code invented just for LISP (by, I think, Bill Gord, based on Peter Deutsch and Ken Bowles P-code work). Yeah, some parts of the P-code machine had to invoke the interpreter, but that's philosophically no different than the next note... Around 1977/1978, Hewlett-Packard released the source code for their COBOL compiler for the HP 3000. My friend looked at the source and said: every statement compiles into a bunch of subroutine calls! So, technically....it was a compiler. But, essentially no machine code was emitted :) In 1984, HP announced their PA-RISC systems (HP 3000 and HP 9000), and that their ALGOL-like language, SPL, used by them and customers on the HP 3000, would not be ported to PA-RISC (because "it wasn't possible"). We looked at it and said: we can. And, we did (without the "subroutine call" mechanism :) In some cases, we emulate a 16-bit wide CISC architecture (e.g., if you use the SPL construct "ASSEMBLE (...)", we compile it...into PA-RISC code emulating the old architecture). It's still in use today, and can now emit either PA-RISC code or C source code (for a form of cross-compiling). What HP missed, and many people miss, is that any language can be compiled. The main question one might ask is the degree of closeness to machine code that's emitted :) Stan

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Sovier/Russian 132-pin PGA Ceramic IC Packaging

by pbirkel＠gmail.com

In item https://www.ebay.com/itm/265045229011 I am curious as to whether the gold islands on the top-side are functional test-points giving electrical access to the underside pins? Was there a clip designed to attach to the top-side of these chips for use in circuit analysis? Was this design unique to Russian manufacture (I don't recall ever seeing this design previously)? paul

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VT340 Emulation

by mark＠matlockfamily.com

One VT340 emulator that works quite well is the VT Lan 40. This was one of the last terminals made by DEC. It ran Windows 3.1 from ROM and used the LK411-AA keyboard (with the round PC keyboard connector) displaying on a Super VGA LCD display (1024 x 768 x 16 colors) It could connect to several (unto 8) systems simultaneously using a DB25 serial, a MMJ serial, then over its ethernet connector: multiple LAT, CTERM (DECnet) and Telnet (TCP/IP) sessions. The session windows allow cut and paste between Windows. The VT340 emulation seems to be perfect displaying Regis and pixels correctly and handling mouse movements correctly in the VT340 mode. Output from Saturn Graph for VMS works great! It also displays APL overstrike characters correctly with VAX APL using the ^D prefix described in the APL documentation. It also handles some escape sequence quirks that RSX KED does that mess up other VT100 emulators. Being able to use a Super VGA display allows a small footprint compared to a real VT340 (for VCF events) and the fact that it uses a real LK411 keyboard is great. The only minor issue is that they are not cheap, but you can buy new-in-thebox old inventory at: http://keyways.com/vtlan40.html You?ll also need a VT411-AA keyboard sold separately and find a Super VGA LCD display. Fortunately the last item can be cheap. I got a good NEC one at a second hand store for $20. One final comment, the two VT Lan 40s I got eventually had a connector between the front power switch and the actual switch break due to a bad choice of plastic by DEC. However, this can easily be repaired with a 1? piece of 1/8? I.D. PVC tubing from the hardware store. Mark Matlock

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On compiling. (Was a way off topic subject)

by cclist＠sydex.com

On 6/23/21 1:14 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > I don't remember the details at this point, but I assume the "execute TECO macro" operation in the Stevens PDP-10 TECO compiler is done in that way. And of course these could keep the compiled code around to reuse if the source string hasn't changed. A modern example of this technique is the regex library in Python, which lets you compile a regex string into a compiled regex object for later use, or lets you perform operations using the regex string directly. The latter form caches a string -> compiled regex cache so doing this in a loop still performs reasonably well. Could be the case of "what does "compile" mean?" If the meaning is "reduce to machine language" maybe not. Otherwise, if the meaning is "interpret", then maybe so. Consider this paragraph of the tutorial at http://www.snobol4.org/docs/burks/tutorial/ch7.htm" -------------------------------------------------------- 7.7 RUN-TIME COMPILATION The two functions described below are among the most esoteric features, not just of SNOBOL4, but of all programming languages in existence. While your program is executing, the entire SNOBOL4 compiler is just a function call away. ----------------------------------------------------------- So maybe not rendering into machine code, but something else. --Chuck

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Rockwell 65001EAB3

by brain＠jbrain.com

I know it's a long shot, but wondering if anyone might have a Rockwell 65001 EAB3 type IC lying around in a discard pile or otherwise willing to go to a new home.? Here's a pic of one in the Commodore C900 keyboard: https://i.ibb.co/tZ2m68x/IMG-1538.jpg I see one online for sale, but the both the pricing is untenable for a device I don't need to use but just wanted to research and I also don't want to prohibit a known good device from being available if needed. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

3 years, 10 months

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ISO: Docs for Mostek MK8009-CA omnibus memory

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hey all -- Picked up a memory board for my PDP-8/A, it's a Mostek MK8009-CA, currently outfitted with 32KW of memory but with empty pads for another 32KW. Not a ton of documentation on this -- anyone have anything? At minimum, configuration information would be nice, I'd also like to know what it takes to upgrade it to 64KW (apart from 24 more 4116's), so schematics would be excellent. I have this weird idea about extending TSS/8 to use more memory and the advanced features of the KT8-A... - Josh

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Early Programming Books

by pbirkel＠gmail.com

I know of two early computer (in the stored program sense) programming books. 1951: Preparation of Programs for an Electronic Digital Computer (Wilkes, Wheeler, & Gill) 1957: Digital Computer Programming (McCracken) What others were published prior to the McCracken text? Excluded are lecture compendia and symposia proceedings, such as: 1946: Moore School Lectures 1947: Proceedings of a Symposium on Large-Scale Digital Calculating Machinery 1951: Proceedings of a Second Symposium on Large-Scale Digital Calculating Machinery 1953: Faster Than Thought, A Symposium On Digital Computing Machines These were principally about designs for, and experience with, new hardware. I'm curious about texts specifically focused on the act of programming. Were there others prior to McCracken? paul

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VT340 Emulation

by cctalk＠gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net

On 6/18/21 5:50 PM, Wayne S via cctech wrote: > We didn't really need Regis graphics so we never tested that out. I'm not sure what the OP's use case is, but if they / you are wanting ReGIS (or Sixel) graphics, XTerm supports (both of) them. Incidentally, I have my XTerm configured to set it's decTerminalID to vt340. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

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VT100 colors

by lars＠nocrew.org

Hello, Does anyone know what colors a VT100 is? Most photos online has it looking yellowish, but I expect that's from aging. Some people I have asked claim it was a light cream color. This bitsavers picture has it looking neutral grey: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal/vt100/vt100_wps-8.jpg And the black parts are claimed to be dark brown. I haven't found any color codes in the manuals.

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Water Cooling and Hot Climates was RE: IBM 1620; was: Early Programming Books

by dave.g4ugm＠gmail.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Van Snyder via > cctalk > Sent: 22 June 2021 00:00 > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: IBM 1620; was: Early Programming Books > > On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 17:26 -0400, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > > > Of course, nowadays, the old R22 systems are being refilled with > > > purified propane, called R290. Cheap, with better thermal > > > properties than R22, but probably not legal when LCM picked up the > 6500. > > > > When cleaning out a 3rd party CDC dealer quite a few years back, he > > remarked that the CDC machines going way back all the way to the 800s > > were fantastically unpicky about how they were cooled. He just used a > > garden hose connected to the building potable water, and if the > > machine under test needed more coolant because it was running warm, it > > just pumped more supply. Heated waste water went down the drain. > > > > This unlike the IBM water machines. > > I was once told that the most valuable guy in a Honeywell 6080 Multics shop > was the plumber. > I don't ever remember the 6080 being water cooled? I Thought Honeywell/GEC was all air cooled. All the L66s (which were from what the Multics machine was developed) were air cooled. I was told the following tale by one of my Honeywell contacts.... ... Apparently the last Shah of Iran owned a Level 66 for the use of his secret police. Apart from the fact that the OS had been modified by Honeywell Italy, and the documentation for this was in Italian which no one on the job understood, and when the OS crashed it was usually in a section of the code with Italian comments, there was also a problem with the power. As the temperature rose the power invariable failed. This was because it was run from a diesel generator that was out in the sun, it over heated and cut out..... ... any way after many complaints the military man in charge came to the Honeywell staff and told them the problem was solved. They of course asked how and were taken to the generator and shown the latest modification. They had fitted a new cap to the radiator with a thermometer in it, as often found on vintage cars. They had painted a read line on the gauge and assigned a soldier to watch it. When the needle got to the line, he blew his whistle and several other soldiers appeared and threw buckets of water over the engine until it cooled down.... I just wonder what they did while waiting for it to overheat...... > > > > -- > > Will Dave G4UGM

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VT100 colors

by lars＠nocrew.org

Many replies. Thank you all! I have 3D printed Michael Gardi's VT100 model, and I'll try to find some pleasing colors for painting it. https://hackaday.io/project/177596-23-scale-vt100-terminal-reproduction

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Early Programming Books

by paul＠mcjones.org

1955: An Introduction to Automatic Computers (Ned Chapin <https://www.csueastbay.edu/oaa/files/docs/memorial/memorialchapin.pdf>) I have the second edition ? copyright 1963. Chapter 8 is ?Elements of Programming? with a fully-worked out assembly language example for a hypothetical machine. > Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 04:43:58 -0400 > From: "Paul Birkel" <pbirkel at gmail.com <mailto:pbirkel at gmail.com>> > > I know of two early computer (in the stored program sense) programming > books. > > 1951: Preparation of Programs for an Electronic Digital Computer > (Wilkes, Wheeler, & Gill) > > 1957: Digital Computer Programming (McCracken) > > What others were published prior to the McCracken text?

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Who has a working Terak?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

One of the original UCSD Pascal team contacted me, asking if any of my Teraks are still working. Sadly, they don't. I seem to remember hearing on the list that someone had re-capped and re-socketed their Terak, and that it's working. He wants to get video of an original, working Terak to demonstrate the UCSD Pascal menu system. He wants to show how the UCSD Pascal menu system could've influenced Apple's menus on the Lisa. Yes, I pointed out that you can run it under emulation. - John

3 years, 10 months

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Wanted: IBM 2671 docs and IBM stuff

by alsilisk＠icloud.com

Dear All, Recently I received an IBM 2671 paper tape reader and have been slowly restoring it. However I've hit a bit of a brick wall because no service docs are known. If you are sitting on some please do let me know. I am also looking for other bits of IBM mainframe/midrange stuff to restore so if anybody is looking to sell some, please PM me as well. I am in south England. Thanks, Al

3 years, 10 months

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Wanted: Hp Display Tube 5083-1551

by holm＠freibergnet.de

hi all, a friend of mine (Hartmut) is restoring desktop- and pocketcaluculators as a hobby. Lately he got an HP9100B on his desk with a bad display tube (the getters are white) but is otherwise in a good shape. Is here possibly someone that has such an display Tube to sell? Kind Regards from Germany, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Goethestrasse 15, 09569 Oederan, USt-Id: DE253710583 info at tsht.de Fax +49 37292 709779 Tel +49 37292 709778 Mobil: 0172 8790 741

3 years, 10 months

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MITS 300/55 Business System

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Fellow wants to unload it, located in Lansing, MI USA. 80 meg HD. https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/o2qggk/altair_8800a_with… - John

3 years, 10 months

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VT340 Emulation

by dave.g4ugm＠gmail.com

Its been a while but Attachate software generally only needed special hardware for stuff like 5250 twinax, 3270 co-ax, and various SDLC connections. This page might help check which versions support regis but they perhaps don't go back to the really old versions... https://support.microfocus.com/kb/doc.php?id=7021488 Dave G4UGM > -----Original Message----- > From: cctech <cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Wayne S via > cctech > Sent: 19 June 2021 00:50 > To: Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4 at comcast.net>; General Discussion: On-Topic > Posts <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: VT340 Emulation > > We tried to use Reflection 240 on IBM PS/2 machines circa 1990. IIRC, it > installed easily w/o needing special drivers. > For the most part it worked as advertised. We didn't really need Regis > graphics so we never tested that out. It's problem was that it was really slow > on PCs, much slower than a real VT240 terminal. We were trying to use Dec's > "all in one" office automation to do word processing and spreadsheets. It's > slowness caused us to abandon it and just use word perfect and lotus 123 > instead. FYI, There are reflection manuals on the wayback machine for > reference. > > > Wayne > > > > On Jun 18, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Douglas Taylor via cctech > <cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Right, according to the few notes I've seen on the packages currently for > sale on ebay. > > > > I hesitate to buy because I picked up a similar piece of software, Smarterm > 240, which seemed to do the desired emulation. It was old software for DOS, > but I have an old DOS machine I use for PUTR I thought I could install it on and > be up and running. It didn't turn out that way because Smarterm wanted a > particular video card and driver (which I didn't have, of course). I didn't find > that out until I got the package open and tried installing it. > > > > I don't know if the Reflection software has any restrictions like that. The > versions I see for sale are for Win3.1 and such, not exactly the heyday of plug > and play. I was hoping to get some guidance from someone who has used > the Reflection software on what the actual hardware/software requirements > are. > > > > On a side note, emulating a Tektronix 4010 is apparently free and high > quality (see github). It is the DEC graphics terminals that no one has > produced an open source emulation software for, so that's why I am asking > this question. > > Doug > > > >> On 6/18/2021 1:16 PM, Bill Degnan wrote: > >> Reflection 4 should do that, right? > >> Bill > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:15 PM Douglas Taylor via cctech > <cctech at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctech at classiccmp.org>> wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone have experience with the Reflection software that will > >> emulate a DEC VT340 color graphics terminal? > >

3 years, 10 months

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Vintage Computer Museum eBay Sales

by organlists1＠sonic.net

It seems at least on the first page of their listings, $899.99 is a favorite asking price? https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256 3 Don Resor

3 years, 10 months

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IBM Logic IC equivalency information needed

by santo.nucifora＠gmail.com

I am currently working on an IBM 5100 that has some issues. I know for certain that the 5100 has a bad graphics controller card so I need to dig into component level replacements for those ICs I can replace. I have a list of logic chip equivalents to the IBM part numbers that are written on the chips but I don't think it's 100% accurate because IBM part number 1582601 comes back as 74151 "DATA SEL/MUX" but when I use one of those cheap logic chip testers (that is surprisingly accurate), it comes back as a 74157. For the record, if I test a 74151, it comes back as a 74151 so the tester is correct. I just want to make sure the table I have is accurate and that the tester is not 100% accurate or if that chip has failed and tests like a 74157 in it's state. This is the current list I am using that I got from somewhere but I don't recall where: https://vintagecomputer.ca/ibm-vintage-logic-chip-equivalency-list/ Does anyone have an IBM logic chip equivalency table for 74 series logic chips? Any help is much appreciated. Santo

3 years, 10 months

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PDP-11/05 (was: PDP-11/05 microcode dump?)

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Tom Uban > it has the early version M7261E Control Logic & Microprogram board and > the later version M7260 Data Paths board Ah, I'm glad someone found all that stuff I wrote up there useful. As always, I _think_ I got it all transcribed correctly, but do be on the lookout for errors! > it seems like an older/newer combination, but maybe that was common. I > would not have guessed that the four possible combinations would all > work together, but maybe they do? I honestly don't know. As far as I can tell, the DEC documentation doesn't even _mention_ the two different board generations; perhaps a sign that they are functionally interchangeable? (Although even the section on baud rate, in both DEC-11-HKDBB-A-D and EK-KD11B-MM-001, 4.11, doesn't even mention the early board. So maybe the manual just ignores the earlier version completely?) I don't have an /05 up and running at the moment, or I'd check all 4 and see if they all work. > Presently, the machine sometimes runs relatively well and other times > it does not. What are the failure symptoms? (It's almost certainly going to take a 'scope to fix it; I expect you have one?) I'd start by monitoring the CPU clock, and make sure it's running when the failure happens. (Note that the front console is handled by the microcode, so if the microcode isn't running, the machine will be totally dead. EK-KD11B-MM-001 has a good description of how that works.) > my initial messing with KM11 boards, reveals that I can step the > microcode with a KM11 in either the #1 or #2 position, but when two > KM11s are installed at the same time, they do not function properly > together. Is this expected or do I have an issue there too? Not sure. EK-KD11B-MM-001 (available at: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/1105/EK-KD11B-MM-001_Jan75.pdf and definitely something you need) says, at pg. 5-6 "KM11 switches have the same function in slots KM-1 and KM-2", and on 5-7 "permits the user who has only one KM11 to plug into either KM-1 or KM-2". So that _sounds_ like you should be able to plug two in together. The first indicates that the switches, the only input to the KD11-B from the KM11, are wired in parallel, and the only other thing on the KM11 are the lights, outputs. And why mention "user who has only one KM11", if having two is no use because one can't use two at once? Noel

3 years, 10 months

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Sun 3/60 Up for Grabs

by john＠ziaspace.com

> I'm moving and I need to clean out a few things. > > I have a Sun 3/60 with no keyboard/mount/monitor/hard drive - just the > pizza box. It net booted NetBSD, but that was many years ago so YRMV. > > Free for pick-up only in Queen Creek, AZ. Is this still available? This is the kind of hardware I'd like to help preserve. Thanks, John Klos

3 years, 10 months

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Sun 3/60 Up for Grabs

by david＠thecoolbears.org

I'm moving and I need to clean out a few things. I have a Sun 3/60 with no keyboard/mount/monitor/hard drive - just the pizza box. It net booted NetBSD, but that was many years ago so YRMV. Free for pick-up only in Queen Creek, AZ.

3 years, 10 months

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Large Scale Systems Museum

by mloewen＠cpumagic.scol.pa.us

https://www.mact.io/ Hi folks! We've been away from Facebook for awhile, but we've been staying busy here. Now that things are starting to get back to normal from the disruption of Covid19, we're doing tours again, and we're getting our volunteer work days rolling again, restoring more and more vintage systems for you to enjoy. However, we're in a bit of a pickle, and we need your help. Our main floor air conditioning system has died, and is beyond repair. It's a 40-year-old power hungry system anyway, so it really just needs to be replaced. We have a quote in-hand from a local, reputable A/C contractor for a brand new, ultra-efficient system, and we're trying to raise funds for it, about $8500. We're already about halfway there from recent private donations. If we're unable to get the rest of the way there, we'll have no choice but to close for the summer. As an all-volunteer, donation-funded nonprofit educational organization, we depend on your support to keep doing what we do. Please help us if you can. We accept donations via PayPal to donations at mact.io, or via check/money order made out to Museum of Applied Computer Technology, mailed to the museum at 924 4th Avenue, New Kensington, PA 15068. Any overage will be put toward our utility bills and other operating expenses. LSSM/MACT is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. Thank you, -Dave McGuire President/Curator, LSSM/MACT

3 years, 10 months

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Memorex Telex IDE 711186669587 ISA controller

by w9gb＠icloud.com

The recently acquired a Memorex Telex IDE ISA controller (early 1990s), number 711186669587 , that has an unpopulated floppy / tape controller area on the board. The board has 34-pin internal header and DC-37 for external drive. I would like to populate those missing components on the PC board. I could reverse engineer the design, and ?fill in blanks? of the likely floppy/tape controller. The PLCC package (44-pin) is likely a late model chipset (tape/floppy). A schematic, parts list, or manual would shorten the effort for this board. Greg chicago

3 years, 10 months

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Disk drives, keypunch offered in SF bay area:

by cclist＠sydex.com

This fellow-s been posting on VCF; thus far, he's offered a pair of Perkin-Elmer disk drives and a USB-modified 029 keypunch. Stuff is pickup-ony by July 8. The drives: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sop/d/los-altos-perkin-elmer-interdata-vt2… --Chuck

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Anyone need a 10 tape Compaq DLT drive with changer cart?

by cz＠alembic.crystel.com

Hi! Dragged out my old Compaq DAT tape drive and although it powers up some of the rubber wheels have turned to goo. Since I don't have any reason to fix it I thought I'd offer it here for shipping. Compaq 3000 series, this is a 199527-003, rebadged HP tape changer. It got a 10 tape capacity changer cartridge, powers up, moves the tape cart, however throws an error 40 because the rubber is gone. One of the wheels is liquid but intact so you can probably measure the OD to install a spare. Anyone want it? Or it goes in the recycling. CZ

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Lecture: The Oldenburg Computer Museum – Rearing and Care, 2021-06-12, 19:00

by stueberahoo＠yahoo.de

Hi all, you're invited to the Update computer club[0] public lecture series "Updateringar"[1]! Update is a Swedish computer club founded in 1983 whose members tinker with all kinds of computers, from Raspberry Pi to PDP-12. The club has a big collection of historic computers. In this lecture series we'll talk about everything related to computers: Historic and modern computers, operating systems, programming, hardware projects, creating art with computers, building a computer museum, and more. When: 2021-06-12, 19:00 CEST Where: https://bbb.cryptoparty.se/b/upd-0mo-m2u-aq8 The Oldenburg Computer Museum ? Rearing and Care The Oldenburg Computer Museum (OCM) is a German computer museum founded in 2008 and run by volunteers. This talk presents a historical outline of the founding of the OCM. From building up the collection to opening the first exhibition to founding the supporting association and moving to the current premises ? and the professionalisation that goes with it. Thiemo Eddiks presents the didactic concept, explains the museum work in the team and gives insights into and outlooks on current projects. In addition, he talks about problems associated with running a museum as a hobby. Thiemo Eddiks (Oldenburg Computer Museum) The lecture is free and open to everyone. Upcoming: 2021-07-10, 19:00: How I ported Space Invaders to a video game console from 1978. Bjarni Juliusson (Update) Hope to see you there, Anke [0] http://www.update.uu.se/index_eng.html [1] https://www.update.uu.se/wiki/doku.php/projekt:updateringar

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DEC Computer Lab for sale

by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

Over on the Discord, I have posted a DEC Computer Lab H-500 for sale. Needs cosmetic help, but will be priced accordingly. Offers? Off list... -- Will

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Epson QX-10 Q10CMS board

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

Hi all, There was a post in one of the Facebook vintage groups from someone who has Epson QX-10 Q10CMS and Q10GMS boards. The GMS is what I have in my own QX-10, but does anyone know what the CMS board is? Both boards have a NEC 7220 graphics controller, but the CMS appears to have more on-board memory (384KB vs. 256KB). On the other hand, I'm not seeing any on-board ROM in the photo of the CMS, unlike on my GMS. cheers, Jules

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Compaq C V6.5-303 for Tru64?

by me＠larbob.org

Does anyone have a copy of Compaq C V6.5-303 for Tru64? It used to be available from https://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/try.do?productNumber=T64_DTK, but this link has been dead for a while and hasn't been archived.

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ISO: DW8E parts

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all -- I picked up a DW8E backplane from a friendly listmember this week and now I just need to find parts to populate it (a simple task, right?); I'm hoping to use it with my negibus PDP-8/I for my ongoing TSS/8 project(*) (in order to provide numerous serial lines and if I get really ambitious/lucky, an RK05). It looks like I need an M7101 and four M7103's. I intend to build the cabling myself unless anyone has a set of single-to-Y (BC08D) I/O cabling. Also on the hunt for a chassis to put these in; this is identical to the one used for the PDP-8f/m (but sans blinkenlights). Thanks! - Josh (*) RF08 restoration is underway and emulation of multiple RS08s is in progress...

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BA11 power filter

by steve＠cosam.org

After a few years in storage I'm finally getting to play with my PDP-11 stuff again. Figured I'd start small so rolled out the 11/23. PSU looks fine, pulled all the cards and checked voltages, no problem. Shortly after however, some magic smoke was released from the block in the back where AC comes in and the power switch is mounted. The only other thing in there is a big old line filter. Judging by the smell, I suspect a filter capacitor has given up the ghost. I'd check, but the whole thing is soldered shut so not exactly easily serviceable. Would I be correct in thinking such filters aren't entirely necessary and could just be bypassed? It looks like the manufacturer (JMK) is still going so a new replacement might not be out of the question. Whether I could find one with the same mounting holes etc. is another question I've not looked into yet. Cheers, Steve

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VAXstation 4000/vlc mouse issue

by healyzh＠avanthar.com

I now have my VAXstation 4000/vlc up and running OpenVMS 7.3, DECnet Phase IV, and part of my cluster. It?s using a SCSI2SD v5.2 board for the hard drive. While have plenty of DEC Hard Drives, I like the lower noise, power, and heat of the SCSI2SD?s, plus I can really cram the disk space in there, this has a whopping 32GB. :-) I?m using a VSXXX-AA mouse (Hocky Puck), and when I use the middle-button on the mouse, it messes up DECwindows, and I?m no longer able to use the other buttons, which means I can?t change to another window, or access menus. It remains like this until I either logout, or reboot. Does this sound familiar to anyone? This is actually the first time I?ve used a VAXstation as a VAXstation, so I don?t know if this is normal (though I can?t imagine it is). Zane

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H960 documentation

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

So, I have images of two different pieces of DEC documentation for the H960 series of racks/cabinets (the H950 is the bare rack; the H960 is the rack complete with various appurtenances such as side panel, stabilizer feet, etc). I had a request for them, so I've put them online. They are: http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/H960/DEC_cabinets1.jpg http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/H960/DEC_cabinets2.jpg The entry in the Direct Sales Catalog which covers them; includes illustrated breakdowns, and the DEC part numbers for everything. http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/H960/DECRackManual1.jpg http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/H960/DECRackManual2.jpg http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/H960/DECRackManual3.jpg http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/H960/DECRackManual4.jpg http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/H960/DECRackManual5.jpg The Assembly Guide; it shows in detail how all the bits go together (includes all the captive nuts, bolts, etc). Noel

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MA8807A ic datasheet wanted

by ard.p850ug1＠gmail.com

OK, this is mildly off-topic... I am working on a piece of telecom-related test gear and there's one IC I can't find data on. It's a 40 pin DIL package made by GEC (the UK company), marked MA8807A. I thought at first it was a ULA, but I can find refeences to a 8bit * 8bit -> 16 bit multiplier with that number, so I guess that's it. But I can't find a datasheet or even a pinout. It may have appeared under the Plessey brand too, but I am not certain of that I've been along my bookshelves, looked in the obvious books on bitsavers etc and found nothing. Does anyone have any data on this chip? -tony

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Cypher 68000/Z80 SBC, Motel Computers

by peter＠oneillassociates.com.au

While going through some boxes which have been unopened since my last move 15 years ago I found a Cypher 68000/Z80 single board computer by Motel Computers Ltd, Ontario Canada that I bought back in 1986. In another box I found some of the documentation. I'm hopeful of finding the manual and disks but they haven't turned up yet. Does anyone have the manual and disks for this board? Regards, Peter O'Neill

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Fabritek logic trainers anyone have manuals for these? Anyone have one of these trainers besides us??

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Fabritek logic trainers? anyone have manuals for these? Anyone? have one of these trainers besides us??Ed at SMECC MUSEUM PROJECT? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android

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how to make use of daisy wheel printer

by chris＠groessler.org

Hi all, what are the word processing options for a daisy wheel printer? I would like to be able to write "bold face" (double stroke) and underline some parts. I guess there aren't any other capabilities to exploit on a daisy wheel printer. Operating system is unixish (Linux/NetBSD/FreeBSD). MS-DOS would work, too. Maybe something like (g|t)roff? Is there something you'd recommend? regards, chris

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COMPAQ ISA PC to ethernent

by rdawson16＠hotmail.com

If anyone has ideas about boards or software to connect this original Compaq to the net let me know! Browsing the ebay, I do not find a PC 8 bit ethernet board but still looking. Then, the rest, a net set of tools in source would be great.

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MicroVAX 3300/3400

by healyzh＠avanthar.com

I?m still not 100% sure if this is a 3300 or a 3400. It?s in a BA400X chassis, and after looking at the manuals last night, it seems like it?s closer to the 3400. My familarity with Q-Bus MicroVAXen is limited to MicroVAX/VAXstation II?s, and a MicroVAX 3. After getting a power cable (the only one at PCH Cables was a 3? one, and I didn?t want to wait for more to come in), it powered right up, but is failing 4 tests. I quickly learned last night that ?TEST 9E? prints all the tests out to screen. This effort is making me wish I had a DEC LA50 plugged into the terminal. :-) It starts counting down diagnostics at ?41?. 27.. ?57 2 17 FF 00 0000 22.. ?C2 2 01 FF 00 0001 07.. ?5C 2 01 FF 00 0002 06.. ?5D 2 0B FF 00 0003 57 = SI_memory incr test_matter ***** C2 = SSC RAM ALL * 5C = SII_initiator ****** 5D = SII target ******* I think this is indicating issues with the DSSI interface. The system has two RF73 DSSI drives, which sound like they spin up. It also has a TK70 tape drive. It says it has 4MB and 16MB RAM, all good. One odd thing is that the KA640-A seems to plug into another board, before the DSSI drives. I?m getting ready to dig into that, and find out what that board is. Zane

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How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

by marvin＠west.net

Depending on when you need them, VCFMW is coming up in a few months. I have a number of Osborne 1's as well as a couple of 386 machines set up with Teledisk (I bought it *years* ago when it became available to listmembers), imagedisk, and *maybe* Dave Dunfields IMD(?). As VCFMW gets closer and you still need these floppies read, let me know and I'll put the machines in with the stash of "junque" to unload :). I *think* you are on the East coast, and it would surprise me if the RICM doesn't have working Osbornes. Marvin > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 10:37:03 -0700 > From: Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com> > To: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies? > Message-ID: <13B8E14A-BCAD-4A5B-B81A-7E6E6F373B6B at avanthar.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Yes, we need to be able to access the files. > > I?m going to see if my old 486 will still boot up, I know I used to use it with imaging RX50 floppies. I?m not an x86 collector, so have a pretty limited selection of PC Hardware. I?m on my Sabbatical right now, so this request came in at a good time. Though first I have to finish up on some VAX and Alpha systems I?m working on, so as to free up space. That or finish a cleaning project in my office. :-) The cleaning project is needed to finish the VAX/Alpha projects? > > Is there any chances of reading these with Commodore 128 running CP/M, or a Kaypro 2? The Kaypro is definitely on my ?project list?, it worked last time I played with it. I *might* have a DEC Rainbow, or I might have given it away. If I do, I have no idea of its condition. An Apple //e would be another old system with 5.25? drives, but seems more unlikely. I might still have an old Kaypro PC, though it hasn?t been used since ?94 (and there is a good chance it went to LCM). > > My focus is DEC and Commodore, though I do have a lot of Apple // gear. > > Zane

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cctalk Digest, Vol 80, Issue 24

by compoobah＠gmail.com

On Wed, 2021-05-26 at 12:00 -0500, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > If you were to find an M7626 KA660 CPU you could do away with all of > the DSSI cabling between the CPU and the M9715 (in addition to having > a CPU that is around twice as fast). KA660/BA430 makes for a nice MicroVAX, had one for a while. You can even route the SCSI on the backplane as well, and the sleds pick up whichever you need. Too bad DSSI stuff either isn't more common or DEC found a way to route full cluster over SCSI, that was neat too (and faster than LAVAC for KA660). I seem to recall a highly opinionated VAX/BSD partisan also bestowed on it the rare (in his system) title of "real VAX" In the completely unrelated category my state has signs out asking us to "VAX up" which has me itching to get my VAXes out again. Sadly HP shut down the hobbyist license issuing before they got to my request :(.

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How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

by healyzh＠avanthar.com

A photographer I know contacted me last night asking about reading Osborne 1 floppies. What does it take to read these? The only Catweasel board I have is the old Zorro 2 board for the Amiga. I do have 5.25? floppy drives. Neither of us have an Osborne anymore (I think mine went to Jim Willing). Zane

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IBM PC Network

by cctalk＠gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net

Q: Does anyone have any IBM PC Network hardware and / or software that they would be willing to part with? The recent "COMPAQ ISA PC to ethernet" thread got me thinking about IBM PC Network (and ARCnet) again. Sadly, Wikipedia's IBM PC Network article [1] is about the most concise / complete source of information that I've seen in the past. I'd like to learn more. I knew about the F connectors on coax cable, but was not aware of centralized device needed to do frequency translation. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_Network -- Grant. . . . unix || die

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VAXstation 4000 Mice?

by healyzh＠avanthar.com

What sort of mice does a VAXstation 4000 (vlc/60/90) take? I?m pretty sure they don?t need a DEC ?hockey puck? mouse. I?m trying to get a VAXstation setup as? A VAXstation! I?ve always run them headless, usually with SBB?s in a BA353 or BA350. Zane

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COMPAQ ISA PC to ethernent

by compoobah＠gmail.com

On Sun, 2021-05-23 at 12:00 -0500, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > To: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net>, > ????????General at ezwind.net, Discussion at ezwind.net:On-Topic and Off- > Topic Posts > ????????<cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: COMPAQ ISA PC to ethernent > Message-ID: <60A9DFDE.9080300 at charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Grant and et al, > ???? I have several hundred MB and expansion cards from 30 years ago > up > to about 5 years ago. I would like to sell all of my computer > equipment. > Boards, cards, cables, covers, printers, monitors, computers. The > whole > works. > ???? I probably have cancer and if I do I am dead. i have been > selling > off everything that I own and I have been using the funds to drive > all > around the country full filling my bucket list. Please help me by > taking > everything off my hands? I still have two Simpson 260 VOMs that I > want > to see go to a good home instead of hitting the trash. > ???? Grant, Randy has not responded to me. Yes, I have Arcnet and > Ethernet ISA cards. What info do you need? > GOD Bless and Thanks, > rich! Man, that bites. Seen too many people I know die of cancer. Simpson meters are nice, and having an analog around is good, hope someone snags them. Too rich for my blood. Reminds me have a old NRI VTVM I need to get working, think I'm gonna try to wire in a 50B5 instead of the dead 50C5. FETVOMs interest me but don't see many of those around.

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cctalk Digest, Vol 80, Issue 22

by compoobah＠gmail.com

On Mon, 2021-05-24 at 12:00 -0500, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Message: 25 > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 09:24:22 -0700 > From: Jason Howe <jason at smbfc.net> > To: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com>, "General Discussion: On- > Topic > ????????and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Writings on AI from 17 years ago.... > Message-ID: > <e5a3d9aba75a6d0fbfb377372cf3f1a7d29fffde.camel at smbfc.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Sun, 2021-05-23 at 21:34 -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > Anyone know if the LCM will be open > > > Considering there is no staff as they were all laid off and have now > all found other jobs, I'd guess that's a hard no.? They'd basically > need to spin up from 0 again -- considering Vulcan shut down LCM, > Cinerama and the Flying Heritage Museum as soon as they could after > Paul's death -- I put my money on asset dispersal, rather than > reopening. > > I say with a pit in my stomach as a former member and regular > visitor. > > EMP (or whatever the hell they're called now) survived because they > had > been spun off as a separate legal entity from Paul's Vulcan empire. > > > --Jason I fear so as well, but one of the other MS teachers in my district has done some remote training recently through them, so there might still be hope.

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COMPAQ ISA PC to ethernent

by cctalk＠gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net

On 5/24/21 11:47 PM, Richard Pope wrote: > Grant, Hi Rich, > Did you receive my last email? Yes, I did receive it. I've not had an opportunity to reply to it. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

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LCM

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Lars Brinkhoff > Chris Zach wrote: >> I'll drop by and see which CHAOSNet card it has. > It may have been removed when we worked on getting ITS booted. For a long time AI used a UNIBUS CHAOSNet card, plugged into an -11 connected up to AI via the Rubin 10-11 interface. (I'm not sure which -11; maybe the TV-11, but I think I remember there was another one used for the CHAOSNet? I think the same -11 that the AI Lab's 3-mbit Ethernet interface was plugged into. If I wasn't so lazy I'd look at TV > and see.) I'm not sure what happened after the Rubin interface died. Maybe they built another KA I/O bus interface (like the one on ML)? Config > might answer that question. Noel

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Link Rot

by cctalk＠ibm51xx.net

Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence. According to the article even sources being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60% Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can relate nor only to loss of articles but from sites, drivers, file repositories, etc....https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-yo…

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Old Mac IICX to give away in Los Angeles/Orange County.

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Free Macintosh IICX in Orange County CA area. Sometimes it boots, often it doesn?t (power supply issue?). Also HD has stiction issues. Also the tall profile monitor has a very smeary image. Other than that, it?s great! Everything is included - computer with cover, keyboard, mouse, monitor.

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