20 May
2021
20 May
'21
7:01 p.m.
If anyone has ideas about boards or software to connect this original Compaq to the net
let me know!
Browsing the ebay, I do not find a PC 8 bit ethernet board but still looking.
Then, the rest, a net set of tools in source would be great.
20 May
20 May
7:18 p.m.
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I believe 16 bit ethernet cards would work in 8 bit slots, the 3c503 and
509 did if I recall. Try that.
But really you should go with ArcNet.
C
On 5/20/2021 10:01 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
If anyone has ideas about boards or software to
connect this original Compaq to the net let me know!
Browsing the ebay, I do not find a PC 8 bit ethernet board but still looking.
Then, the rest, a net set of tools in source would be great.
7:21 p.m.
Randy.
I have ISA ethernet and Arcnet boards.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 5/20/2021 9:01 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
If anyone has ideas about boards or software to
connect this original Compaq to the net let me know!
Browsing the ebay, I do not find a PC 8 bit ethernet board but still looking.
Then, the rest, a net set of tools in source would be great.
22 May
22 May
10:03 a.m.
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Hi Rich,
On 5/20/21 8:21 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
I have ISA ethernet and Arcnet boards.
I'd be interested in knowing more about your ARCnet boards. Of course,
that is if Randy doesn't end up using them.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
9:53 p.m.
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Grant and et al,
I have several hundred MB and expansion cards from 30 years ago up
to about 5 years ago. I would like to sell all of my computer equipment.
Boards, cards, cables, covers, printers, monitors, computers. The whole
works.
I probably have cancer and if I do I am dead. i have been selling
off everything that I own and I have been using the funds to drive all
around the country full filling my bucket list. Please help me by taking
everything off my hands? I still have two Simpson 260 VOMs that I want
to see go to a good home instead of hitting the trash.
Grant, Randy has not responded to me. Yes, I have Arcnet and
Ethernet ISA cards. What info do you need?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 5/22/2021 12:03 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
Hi Rich,
On 5/20/21 8:21 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
I have ISA ethernet and Arcnet boards.
I'd be interested in knowing more about your ARCnet boards. Of
course, that is if Randy doesn't end up using them.
11:46 p.m.
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On 5/22/21 10:53 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
I have several hundred MB and expansion cards from 30
years ago up to
about 5 years ago. I would like to sell all of my computer equipment.
Boards, cards, cables, covers, printers, monitors, computers. The
whole works.
Interesting and intriguing.
I probably have cancer and if I do I am dead.
I'm sorry to hear that.
i have been selling off everything that I own and I
have been using
the funds to drive all around the country full filling my bucket
list.
:-)
Please help me by taking everything off my hands?
I doubt that I personally can take everything. But I'm interested to
learn more. (See below.)
I still have two Simpson 260 VOMs that I want to see
go to a good
home instead of hitting the trash.
Shiny! Sadly, I doubt that I'm a good home. They would be a show piece
for me, at most.
Grant, Randy has not responded to me. Yes, I have
Arcnet and Ethernet
ISA cards. What info do you need?
I'd be very interested in a summary of what (ARCNET / Ethernet / other
network cards / equipment) you have. A simple list of "X count of part
Y from brand Z". Typical count / make / model type thing.
What you'd like for them.
Roughly where you are at so that I could guesstimate rough shipping charges.
I'm also interested in old software. LANtastic and Lotus software has
been on my short list recently. Novell NetWare has made quite a showing
in my house.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
23 May
23 May
12:06 a.m.
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Grant,
There is so much here. I want five hundred for all of it and 750 to
delivered it to any where in the lower 48. This allows me to continue
driving around the country! I'll throw in the Simpsons! No gorillas,
climate controlled, no damage. It will cost more than that to ship it. I
live in Reedsburg, WI 53959. Where do you live?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 5/23/2021 1:46 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/21 10:53 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
I have several hundred MB and expansion cards
from 30 years ago up to
about 5 years ago. I would like to sell all of my computer equipment.
Boards, cards, cables, covers, printers, monitors, computers. The
whole works.
Interesting and intriguing.
I probably have cancer and if I do I am dead.
I'm sorry to hear that.
i have been selling off everything that I own and
I have been using
the funds to drive all around the country full filling my bucket list.
:-)
Please help me by taking everything off my hands?
I doubt that I personally can take everything. But I'm interested to
learn more. (See below.)
I still have two Simpson 260 VOMs that I want to
see go to a good
home instead of hitting the trash.
Shiny! Sadly, I doubt that I'm a good home. They would be a show
piece for me, at most.
Grant, Randy has not responded to me. Yes, I have
Arcnet and Ethernet
ISA cards. What info do you need?
I'd be very interested in a summary of what (ARCNET / Ethernet / other
network cards / equipment) you have. A simple list of "X count of
part Y from brand Z". Typical count / make / model type thing.
What you'd like for them.
Roughly where you are at so that I could guesstimate rough shipping
charges.
I'm also interested in old software. LANtastic and Lotus software has
been on my short list recently. Novell NetWare has made quite a
showing in my house.
9:13 a.m.
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Hi Rich,
On 5/23/21 1:06 AM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
?? There is so much here. I want five hundred for all
of it and 750 to
delivered it to any where in the lower 48. This allows me to continue
driving around the country!
~chuckle~
That seems about par. Delivery of retro computing items costing more
than the items themselves.
The price is quite likely reasonable. Unfortunately, I'm not in a
position to pay that much for a lot and definitely not S&H on top of it.
:-(
I'll throw in the Simpsons! No gorillas, climate
controlled, no
damage. It will cost more than that to ship it.
~chuckle~
I live in Reedsburg, WI 53959. Where do you live?
Longmont, CO 80503
I would need a lot more information to make a decision, to broach and
justify it to the household CFO.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
2:35 p.m.
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Hello everyone,
I am continuing to list this in the group so that everyone will
know what I have. Once someone says that they want everything i will
take it private.
Now the question is how much detail must I list. I am tired and
disabled. I may not have much time. Do you want exact details? Will
detailed generalities suffice? How about just generalities? Do you want
card type, part number, manufacturer. quantity or type, quantity, or
this number MB, this number of cards, this number of memory, this number
of cables, this number of so forth and so on!
Please respond at the top instead of imbedding it! It is much
easier on me.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 5/23/2021 11:13 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
Hi Rich,
On 5/23/21 1:06 AM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
There is so much here. I want five hundred
for all of it and 750
to delivered it to any where in the lower 48. This allows me to
continue driving around the country!
~chuckle~
That seems about par. Delivery of retro computing items costing more
than the items themselves.
The price is quite likely reasonable. Unfortunately, I'm not in a
position to pay that much for a lot and definitely not S&H on top of
it. :-(
I'll throw in the Simpsons! No gorillas,
climate controlled, no
damage. It will cost more than that to ship it.
~chuckle~
I live in Reedsburg, WI 53959. Where do you live?
Longmont, CO 80503
I would need a lot more information to make a decision, to broach and
justify it to the household CFO.
3:07 p.m.
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Hi Rich,
Start simple.
A brief description or picture(s) of things might help. Unfortunately
we don't have any idea what you have.
Can you start listing off something like
X DEC <bla>
Y IBM <bla>
Z Commodore <bla>
Even three to five word descriptions are a start. Then if people see
something they are interested in learning more about, they can ask.
On 5/23/21 3:35 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Hello everyone,
?? I am continuing to list this in the group so that everyone will know
what I have. Once someone says that they want everything i will take it
private.
?? Now the question is how much detail must I list. I am tired and
disabled. I may not have much time. Do you want exact details? Will
detailed generalities suffice? How about just generalities? Do you want
card type, part number, manufacturer. quantity or type, quantity, or
this number MB, this number of cards, this number of memory, this number
of cables, this number of so forth and so on!
?? Please respond at the top instead of imbedding it! It is much easier
on me.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
3:27 p.m.
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Grant and et al,
There are probably a dozen MBs from 386 to P-4 with some AMD
Opetrons. There are ISA cards, EISA cards, PCI cards, PCI -E cards, and
AGP cards. Serial cards, SCSI cards, Ethernet cards, Arcnet cards, video
cards and video with TV cards, Parallel Cards, IDE cards, Multi-function
with Serial, Parallel, IDE, and Floppy cards, unknown quantity at this
point on the expansion cards. Dozens of SIMMS, DIMMS, 8 bit and 9 bit.
All kinds of speeds.
Parallel cables, serial cables, at least a hundred power cables,
Arcnet cables, video cables, Ethernet cables, telephone cables, audio
cables, internal and external, ide cables, SCSI cables internal and
external, Ethernet hubs and switches, unknown quantity, PATA HD Drives,
SCSI HDDs, Tape drives both SCSI and PATA, CD-Rom drives PATA and maybe
SCSI, Floppy Drives, hundreds of different types of blanks that go on
the back of computer cases, MB adapter plates, an External SCSI Drive
case, Power supplies a Complete Opetron based computer, monitors,
printers, apple computers, a Sony true multisync monitor, UPS',
speakers, internal and external, lots of books, software. It is 30 years
of collecting and repairing computers.
The gold alone is worth more than what I am asking for everything!
rich!
On 5/23/2021 5:07 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
Hi Rich,
Start simple.
A brief description or picture(s) of things might help. Unfortunately
we don't have any idea what you have.
Can you start listing off something like
X DEC <bla>
Y IBM <bla>
Z Commodore <bla>
Even three to five word descriptions are a start. Then if people see
something they are interested in learning more about, they can ask.
On 5/23/21 3:35 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am continuing to list this in the group so that everyone will
know what I have. Once someone says that they want everything i will
take it private.
Now the question is how much detail must I list. I am tired and
disabled. I may not have much time. Do you want exact details? Will
detailed generalities suffice? How about just generalities? Do you
want card type, part number, manufacturer. quantity or type,
quantity, or this number MB, this number of cards, this number of
memory, this number of cables, this number of so forth and so on!
Please respond at the top instead of imbedding it! It is much
easier on me.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
25 May
25 May
5:06 p.m.
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On 5/23/21 4:27 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Grant and et al,
?? There are probably a dozen MBs from 386 to P-4 with some AMD
Opetrons. There are ISA cards, EISA cards, PCI cards, PCI -E cards, and
AGP cards. Serial cards, SCSI cards, Ethernet cards, Arcnet cards, video
cards and video with TV cards, Parallel Cards, IDE cards, Multi-function
with Serial, Parallel, IDE, and Floppy cards, unknown quantity at this
point on the expansion cards. Dozens of SIMMS, DIMMS, 8 bit and 9 bit.
All kinds of speeds.
?? Parallel cables, serial cables, at least a hundred power cables,
Arcnet cables, video cables, Ethernet cables, telephone cables, audio
cables, internal and external, ide cables, SCSI cables internal and
external, Ethernet hubs and switches, unknown quantity, PATA HD Drives,
SCSI HDDs, Tape drives both SCSI and PATA, CD-Rom drives PATA and maybe
SCSI, Floppy Drives, hundreds of different types of blanks that go on
the back of computer cases, MB adapter plates, an External SCSI Drive
case, Power supplies a Complete Opetron based computer, monitors,
printers, apple computers, a Sony true multisync monitor, UPS',
speakers, internal and external, lots of books, software. It is 30 years
of collecting and repairing computers.
That sounds like a very interesting collection. I am definitely
interested in /parts/ of it.
But, unfortunately I'm not in a position to take on such a purchase
($500+$750) myself at this time. Especially after unexpectedly spending
nearly that much on the HVAC this week. :-(
?? The gold alone is worth more than what I am asking
for everything!
rich!
I'll take your word for that. My uninformed opinion is that the amount
of gold in most electronics is not worth the effort. I'm sure that used
to be different than it is now.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
20 May
20 May
7:25 p.m.
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On Thu, May 20, 2021, 7:02 PM Randy Dawson via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
If anyone has ideas about boards or software to
connect this original
Compaq to the net let me know!
Browsing the ebay, I do not find a PC 8 bit ethernet board but still
looking.
Then, the rest, a net set of tools in source would be great.
Intel 8/16 LAN Adapter is one common choice.
7:27 p.m.
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On 5/20/21 7:01 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
If anyone has ideas about boards or software to
connect this original Compaq to the net let me know!
Browsing the ebay, I do not find a PC 8 bit ethernet board but still looking.
Then, the rest, a net set of tools in source would be great.
A fair number of 16-bit ISA ethernet cards will work in 8 bit mode.
This has been discussed in the past on VCF. I use an Artisoft AE-2/T
on one 8-bit system (it has a jumper for 8/16 bit operation) and a
generic NE2000 ISA PNP on another. No problems.
If you're looking for minimal-sized functionality for telnet and ftp,
Mike Brutmann's MTCP works a treat with packet drivers on 8 bit.
--Chuck
8:09 p.m.
On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 02:01:51AM +0000, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
If anyone has ideas about boards or software to
connect this
original Compaq to the net let me know!
Browsing the ebay, I do not find a PC 8 bit ethernet board but
still looking.
Then, the rest, a net set of tools in source would be great.
I assume there is Windows on the Compaq?
If you only want "some" connection, not "fastest possible", then I
would go with serial cable (I think the special one - so called "null
modem" is required, but there are probably receipts for making one)
via some kind of Unix laptop to connect with the rest of the world.
I think your options are briefly described here:
- TCP over RS-232 with Windows 3.1 and Internet Explorer 5 dialer
https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/9018/tcp-over-rs-232-wit…
PPP or SLIP protocols for serial line, then some net routing on
laptop. Trumpet Winsock was the name of software that did such trick
for me 25 years ago, when I configured and connected Windows95 on
Pentium without net card to the Linux box, using PPP. It was not
perfect but mostly worked.
- MINUET for DOS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Internet_Users_Essential_Tool
You may have some basic clients in this package, provided they are
still relevant in modern web environment (and if they are available to
download). On the page above there are some links you may follow.
Things could be better if you had something Unixy on old computer, but
web browsing is not going to be fun, just passable experience. Other
protocols - like, for sending mails - could have moved on too and it
is hard to tell what current servers will tell if you try old clients
with them... You will find out :-) .
One of the thing you may want to be wary is, old terminal emulator (on
Unixy OS) may not be prepared for some fancy attacks, when, say,
something (a command or an email being viewed in your mail client on
the terminal) produces certain charcter squence and makes your
terminal do things...
For example (this one is few days old):
- rxvt-unicode: possible remote code execution
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1961794
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
22 May
22 May
10:16 a.m.
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On 5/20/21 9:09 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
I assume there is Windows on the Compaq?
I think that it would need to be Windows for Workgroups; 3.1 / 3.11, to
include networking support. Depending on the class of hardware that
Randy's Compaq is, that may be a tall order for the system.
If you only want "some" connection, not
"fastest possible", then I
would go with serial cable (I think the special one - so called "null
modem" is required, but there are probably receipts for making one)
via some kind of Unix laptop to connect with the rest of the world.
The venerable options of LapLink and / or InterLnk (InterSvr) come to
mind for transferring files.
I've also seen a number of older DOS based networking things that are
completely proprietary communications protocols. EtherDrive (?) comes
to mind. -- I know that there are old threads on this list talking
about them. I think I started some of them.
I think your options are briefly described here:
- TCP over RS-232 with Windows 3.1 and Internet Explorer 5 dialer
https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/9018/tcp-over-rs-232-wit…
PPP or SLIP protocols for serial line, then some net routing on
laptop. Trumpet Winsock was the name of software that did such trick
for me 25 years ago, when I configured and connected Windows95 on
Pentium without net card to the Linux box, using PPP. It was not
perfect but mostly worked.
TCP/IP is one of many network stacks that could be used.
I personally somewhat question the value of TCP/IP on early computers,
mostly because I'm ignorant of viable client applications. As in the
web browsers that existed for the time can do very little today without
a lot of help. Telnet / rlogin are mostly dead for security reasons.
And I'm not aware of any SSH / HTTPS implementations that have been
created for old OSs.
Thus, file and printer sharing are the main things that networking older
systems seems to offer to me. With that in mind, it seems to me like
other network stacks might be easier to work with; IPX (NetWare),
NetBIOS (IBM / Microsoft / Artisoft), DECnet (Digital), Vines (Banyan).
- MINUET for DOS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Internet_Users_Essential_Tool
You may have some basic clients in this package, provided they are
still relevant in modern web environment (and if they are available
to download). On the page above there are some links you may follow.
Things could be better if you had something Unixy on old computer, but
web browsing is not going to be fun, just passable experience. Other
protocols - like, for sending mails - could have moved on too and it
is hard to tell what current servers will tell if you try old clients
with them... You will find out :-) .
Ya. Hence why I think TCP/IP for contemporary Internet on old computers
is so problematic.
There are some SSL/TLS stripping proxies that can be used to allow
clients that don't support contemporary web security standards via the
intermediary gateway almost doing a protocol conversion between
unencrypted and contemporary encryption. Then you get into old browsers
not understanding contemporary HTML. Let's not even think about HTTP/2.
Fortunately, SMTP hasn't changed much. Sure, there's now ESMTP, but
many / most systems will fall back to stock SMTP with little difficulty.
The biggest hurdle that I see is authentication and the likely need to
do that over an encrypted channel. Fortunately it's trivial to stand up
a private contemporary SMTP server that will allow retro clients to
communicate in retro methods and then turn around and speak contemporary
methods to contemporary servers.
One of the thing you may want to be wary is, old
terminal emulator
(on Unixy OS) may not be prepared for some fancy attacks, when, say,
something (a command or an email being viewed in your mail client
on the terminal) produces certain charcter squence and makes your
terminal do things...
Unicode and UTF-8 immediately come to mind.
Though I would hope that a proper TERMCAP and well behaved client
software would largely work around most of that.
For example (this one is few days old):
- rxvt-unicode: possible remote code execution
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1961794
Yep.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
10:18 a.m.
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On 5/22/21 11:16 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
The venerable options of LapLink and / or InterLnk
(InterSvr) come to
mind for transferring files.
I forgot to mention, both LapLink and InterLnk (InterSvr) supported a
parallel port cable too. It was quite a bit faster than the serial null
modem cable.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
10:01 a.m.
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On 5/20/21 8:01 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
If anyone has ideas about boards or software to
connect this original
Compaq to the net let me know!
As others have said, I would expect that many 16-bit ISA Ethernet cards
to work in 8-bit ISA slots.
You might look for NE-1000 (compatible*) Ethernet cards. My
understanding is that the NE-1000 vs NE-2000 was 8-bit vs 16-bit
(respectively). I would expect most, if not all NE-1xxx / NE-2xxx
models to work as the subsets within the 1k / 2k range were effectively
still 1k or 2k cards.
I think "compatible" is a weird things with Novell Ethernet labeled /
citified cards as it's my understanding that Novell didn't actually sell
the vast majority of NE-1000 / NE-2000 cards. Instead, they licensed /
certified that other manufacturer cards adhered to their standard. Thus
there were a LOT of non-Novell NE-1000 / NE-2000 cards. And that it's
mostly by design.
Browsing the ebay, I do not find a PC 8 bit ethernet
board but
still looking.
You might consider one of the parallel port network cards. "Backpack"
and "Rocket" terms come to mind. Though I could be completely
conflating things.
Then, the rest, a net set of tools in source would be
great.
I'm curious to know what network stack you're going to run on that
system. I don't know if it's an 8088, 80286, 80386 or what. Each
obviously has different capabilities. Though I guess the 8-bit ISA
slots indicate that it's probably 8088 or 80286. Though I think that
Compaq may have used the 8086 too. Whatever it is, chances are good
that memory will be small if not tight.
Having just acquired an old LANtastic box with CDs & floppies off of
eBay -- for giggles & edutainment -- I would wonder about using that.
Novell NetWare (Light) is probably a choice. LAN Manager / other SMB
(NetBIOS) networking from IBM / Microsoft comes to mind.
I think it would be really neat to establish an old PC Network using
coax (?) from IBM with whatever software stack they used. I'd bet SMB /
NetBIOS based.
ARCnet is probably a choice as well. I'd like to get a pair of working
ARCnet (and PC Net) cards to dabble with some day.
I'd enjoy reading more about what you are doing / ultimately end up
doing Randy. #hazFun
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
12:11 p.m.
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I think "compatible" is a weird things with
Novell Ethernet labeled /
citified cards as it's my understanding that Novell didn't actually sell
the vast majority of NE-1000 / NE-2000 cards.? Instead, they licensed /
certified that other manufacturer cards adhered to their standard.? Thus
there were a LOT of non-Novell NE-1000 / NE-2000 cards.? And that it's
mostly by design.
Correct. Novell got out of the hardware market after the NP600 Ethernet
cards and those impressive ISA disk controller cards. Both were pretty
impressive, if I recall the NP600 had the entire IPX/SPX protocol on it
to offload work from the CPU and the disk card could do mirroring right
on the controller. But newer CPUs just pointed to the whole "the CPU is
quicker anyway" so Novell got out of that business and licensed boards
like the NE2000 for a pittance.
That, the Intel Etherexpress, and the 3c509 pretty much did it for
Ethernet till PCI.
I'm curious to know what network stack you're
going to run on that
system.? I don't know if it's an 8088, 80286, 80386 or what.? Each
obviously has different capabilities.? Though I guess the 8-bit ISA
slots indicate that it's probably 8088 or 80286.? Though I think that
Compaq may have used the 8086 too.? Whatever it is, chances are good
that memory will be small if not tight.
Pretty much all 80206's had 16 bit busses, the only ones I saw with 8
bit were XT's upgraded with the Mountain/286 or that oddball Microsoft
card. The Mountain was the weirdest, 8 bit card, 80286 with a couple of
K of cache memory, and a plug to go into the 8086 CPU socket. That was
it, no memory, no disk, no kidding.
CZ
Novel ECNE (I so don't get to drag that out much anymore. Drat)
12:28 p.m.
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I tend to agree with everything you said. Though, minor nitpick, I
think you meant 80286 when you typed 80206. ;-)
On 5/22/21 1:11 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Novel ECNE (I so don't get to drag that out much
anymore. Drat)
What is an ECNE?
I know what a CNE and CNA are. But I've not heard of ECNE before.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
12:32 p.m.
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I tend to agree with everything you said.? Though,
minor nitpick, I
think you meant 80286 when you typed 80206.? ;-)
True, 0 looks like 8 with cheap glasses :-)
What is an ECNE?
ECNE was Enterprise CNE. You had to pass the CNE, then additional tests
on SNA networking, 3+ Open, some of the various gateways (Telephone),
routers, and TCP/IP.
There weren't a lot of us, so they came out with the Master/CNE which I
also got with Infrastructure/Advanced access domains. Still have the
pins and the framed certs, those got me the job at the IEEE Computer
Society despite being kicked out of college in the 80's. :-)
C
23 May
23 May
9:08 a.m.
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On 5/20/2021 10:01 PM, Randy Dawson via cctech wrote:
If anyone has ideas about boards or software to
connect this original Compaq to the net let me know!
Browsing the ebay, I do not find a PC 8 bit ethernet board but still looking.
Then, the rest, a net set of tools in source would be great.
What model Compaq do you have?? Is it an 8086 model?? How early? Does it
just have an ISA buss?
What do you need network connectivity for?
Doug
28 May
28 May
1:34 p.m.
New subject: COMPAQ ISA PC to ethernent
Randy,
I'm a little late to the party, but to get a Compaq connected to Ethernet
look for the following:
- 8 bit: NE1000, 3Com 3C503, WD or SMC 8003 series
-16 bit in an 8 bit slot: Some NE2000 clones, Intel 8/16
- 16 bit cards: many choices
There are a lot of choices for networking code, but a lot of it is old and
out of date. (FTP clients that don't support PASSIVE connections are not
terribly useful anymore.) I wrote (and still maintain) mTCP (
http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/mTCP.html) which gives you the following: DHCP,
Ping, Netcat (TCP only), an IRC client, an FTP client, an FTP server, a
Simple NTP client, a Telnet client, etc.
All of this is supported and runs well on 8088 class machines. mTCP uses
the packet driver specification to talk to the Ethernet card, so the card
has to have an appropriate driver. (There are shims that allow you to use
ODI drivers and packet drivers that fake Ethernet over SLIP or PPP.)
Mike
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