17 Jun
2021
17 Jun
'21
4:40 a.m.
It seems at least on the first page of their listings, $899.99 is a favorite
asking price?
https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256
3
Don Resor
17 Jun
17 Jun
7:06 a.m.
His target market is not the vcf hobbyist.
Many of these were on ebay or wherever, shipped to Long Island and put back
on ebay for 50%+ more than "wholesale" (orig. seller's price).
I have sold items to this guy via ebay inadvertantly and he has relisted
mynitems at a much higher price. It might take 6 months to sell at the
higher price but eventually they sell. I wanted to sell quickly and was
not willing to wait so my price was competitive. His profit comes from
patience and apparently cheap storage. He probably re-uses the original
shipping box which is smart!
Personally I think people who scoff at this seller are missing the point
... we are mostly a group of educated frugal vc hobbyists and not his
target market. But if you must have it, he's got it!
Bill
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 7:40 AM D. Resor via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
It seems at least on the first page of their listings,
$899.99 is a
favorite
asking price?
https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256
3
Don Resor
7:28 a.m.
Reason #1 why I am exceptionally loathe to donate things to "museums"
these days...
CZ
On 6/17/2021 10:06 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
His target market is not the vcf hobbyist.
Many of these were on ebay or wherever, shipped to Long Island and put back
on ebay for 50%+ more than "wholesale" (orig. seller's price).
I have sold items to this guy via ebay inadvertantly and he has relisted
mynitems at a much higher price. It might take 6 months to sell at the
higher price but eventually they sell. I wanted to sell quickly and was
not willing to wait so my price was competitive. His profit comes from
patience and apparently cheap storage. He probably re-uses the original
shipping box which is smart!
Personally I think people who scoff at this seller are missing the point
... we are mostly a group of educated frugal vc hobbyists and not his
target market. But if you must have it, he's got it!
Bill
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 7:40 AM D. Resor via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> It seems at least on the first page of their listings, $899.99 is a
> favorite
> asking price?
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256
> 3
>
> Don Resor
>
>
>
>
7:48 a.m.
Approximately zero people ever thought this guy was a museum.
--
Will
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 10:28 AM Chris Zach via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Reason #1 why I am exceptionally loathe to donate things to "museums"
these days...
CZ
On 6/17/2021 10:06 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> His target market is not the vcf hobbyist.
>
> Many of these were on ebay or wherever, shipped to Long Island and put back
> on ebay for 50%+ more than "wholesale" (orig. seller's price).
>
> I have sold items to this guy via ebay inadvertantly and he has relisted
> mynitems at a much higher price. It might take 6 months to sell at the
> higher price but eventually they sell. I wanted to sell quickly and was
> not willing to wait so my price was competitive. His profit comes from
> patience and apparently cheap storage. He probably re-uses the original
> shipping box which is smart!
>
>
> Personally I think people who scoff at this seller are missing the point
> ... we are mostly a group of educated frugal vc hobbyists and not his
> target market. But if you must have it, he's got it!
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 7:40 AM D. Resor via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> It seems at least on the first page of their listings, $899.99 is a
>> favorite
>> asking price?
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256
>> 3
>>
>> Don Resor
>>
>>
>>
>>
7:51 a.m.
Ok, you're probably right. And here I was just about to box up this HP
9825b as a donation....
CZ
On 6/17/2021 10:48 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
Approximately zero people ever thought this guy was a
museum.
--
Will
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 10:28 AM Chris Zach via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Reason #1 why I am exceptionally loathe to donate things to "museums"
> these days...
>
> CZ
>
> On 6/17/2021 10:06 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
>
>> His target market is not the vcf hobbyist.
>>
>> Many of these were on ebay or wherever, shipped to Long Island and put back
>> on ebay for 50%+ more than "wholesale" (orig. seller's price).
>>
>> I have sold items to this guy via ebay inadvertantly and he has relisted
>> mynitems at a much higher price. It might take 6 months to sell at the
>> higher price but eventually they sell. I wanted to sell quickly and was
>> not willing to wait so my price was competitive. His profit comes from
>> patience and apparently cheap storage. He probably re-uses the original
>> shipping box which is smart!
>>
>>
>> Personally I think people who scoff at this seller are missing the point
>> ... we are mostly a group of educated frugal vc hobbyists and not his
>> target market. But if you must have it, he's got it!
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 7:40 AM D. Resor via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems at least on the first page of their listings, $899.99 is a
>>> favorite
>>> asking price?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256
>>> 3
>>>
>>> Don Resor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
8:23 a.m.
When I was with MARCH and vcfed and now at kennett classic we never sold/
sell any donations unless the donor specifically allowed it.
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 10:51 AM Chris Zach via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Ok, you're probably right. And here I was just
about to box up this HP
9825b as a donation....
CZ
On 6/17/2021 10:48 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
Approximately zero people ever thought this guy
was a museum.
--
Will
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 10:28 AM Chris Zach via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Reason #1 why I am exceptionally loathe to donate things to "museums"
> these days...
>
> CZ
>
> On 6/17/2021 10:06 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
>
>> His target market is not the vcf hobbyist.
>>
>> Many of these were on ebay or wherever, shipped to Long Island and put
back
>> on ebay for 50%+ more than
"wholesale" (orig. seller's price).
>>
>> I have sold items to this guy via ebay inadvertantly and he has
relisted
>> mynitems at a much higher price. It
might take 6 months to sell at the
>> higher price but eventually they sell. I wanted to sell quickly and
was
>> not willing to wait so my price was
competitive. His profit comes
from
>> patience and apparently cheap storage.
He probably re-uses the
original
>> shipping box which is smart!
>>
>>
>> Personally I think people who scoff at this seller are missing the
point
>> ... we are mostly a group of educated
frugal vc hobbyists and not his
>> target market. But if you must have it, he's got it!
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 7:40 AM D. Resor via cctalk <
cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems at least on the first page of their listings, $899.99 is a
>>> favorite
>>> asking price?
>>>
>>>
>>>
https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256
>>> 3
>>>
>>> Don Resor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
7:55 a.m.
It's a virtual museum using eBay to display the exhibits.
On 6/17/21 9:48 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
Approximately zero people ever thought this guy was a
museum.
--
Will
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 10:28 AM Chris Zach via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Reason #1 why I am exceptionally loathe to donate things to "museums"
> these days...
>
> CZ
>
> On 6/17/2021 10:06 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
>
>> His target market is not the vcf hobbyist.
>>
>> Many of these were on ebay or wherever, shipped to Long Island and put back
>> on ebay for 50%+ more than "wholesale" (orig. seller's price).
>>
>> I have sold items to this guy via ebay inadvertantly and he has relisted
>> mynitems at a much higher price. It might take 6 months to sell at the
>> higher price but eventually they sell. I wanted to sell quickly and was
>> not willing to wait so my price was competitive. His profit comes from
>> patience and apparently cheap storage. He probably re-uses the original
>> shipping box which is smart!
>>
>>
>> Personally I think people who scoff at this seller are missing the point
>> ... we are mostly a group of educated frugal vc hobbyists and not his
>> target market. But if you must have it, he's got it!
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 7:40 AM D. Resor via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems at least on the first page of their listings, $899.99 is a
>>> favorite
>>> asking price?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256
>>> 3
>>>
>>> Don Resor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
--
Eric Dittman
8:09 a.m.
On 6/17/21 7:55 AM, Eric Dittman via cctalk wrote:
It's a virtual museum using eBay to display the
exhibits.
On 6/17/21 9:48 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
> Approximately zero people ever thought this guy was a museum.
As a friend used to say, the "Services" in "Vintage Computer Services"
refers
to the services a bull supplies to a cow.
12:39 p.m.
On Jun 17, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Al Kossow via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 6/17/21 7:55 AM, Eric Dittman via cctalk wrote:
I especially liked the H88 recently listed as having been ?brought up on a VARIAC? but
?the fuse is blown? and ?I don?t have a replacement to test it.?
It?s that extra mile that really adds value to justify the prices.
ok
bear.
It's a virtual museum using eBay to display
the exhibits.
On 6/17/21 9:48 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
> Approximately zero people ever thought this guy was a museum.
As a friend used to say, the "Services" in "Vintage Computer
Services" refers
to the services a bull supplies to a cow.
9:04 a.m.
I am sure sometimes he invests? in items that take over a year to sell or not selling
all.
I would say he offers a legitimate service? actually his blue relay computer digital
trainer? for is a fair price $600.
If a museum or a props master for a movie production? had to have something quick for a
display or production they consider it nice to know there is a stock of items out there.
Many times props folks have to put a collection of props together fast and don't have
time or patience to play it like a hobbyist.??
In the real world... time is more valuable than money.
Ed#
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On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 7:06 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote: His target market is not the vcf hobbyist.
Many of these were on ebay or wherever, shipped to Long Island and put back
on ebay for 50%+ more than "wholesale" (orig. seller's price).
I have sold items to this guy via ebay inadvertantly and he has relisted
mynitems at a much higher price.? It might take 6 months to sell at the
higher price but eventually they sell.? I wanted to sell quickly and was
not willing to wait so my price was competitive.? His profit comes from
patience and apparently cheap storage.? He probably re-uses the original
shipping box which is smart!
Personally I think people who scoff at this seller are missing the point
... we are mostly a group of educated frugal vc hobbyists and not his
target market.? But if you must have it, he's got it!
Bill
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 7:40 AM D. Resor via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
It seems at least on the first page of their listings,
$899.99 is a
favorite
asking price?
https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256
3
Don Resor
5:47 p.m.
New subject: DEC computer lab / mini banana plugs
A while ago there was discussion about the mini banana plugs
used in this system.
On another project at work, we needed some mini banana
plugs, these sure look similar.
I found that Digi-Key stocks some, as part # 314-1403
(black, pack of 10 plugs, for $24)
and jacks 501-1051 (red) 501-1479 (black) and 501-1959
(green) for $2.05 each.
These are roughly 0.1" diameter plugs that squeeze down a
bit when inserted into the sockets.
Not claiming these are the same size as the DEC ones, but my
guess is they could be.
Jon
6:06 p.m.
New subject: DEC computer lab / mini banana plugs
o? wonder if these are the same as the ones used by nasa in the psa test
point adaptor
https://www.icollector.com/Apollo-Ground-Support-PSA-Test-Point-Adapter_i32…
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 7:47 PM Jon Elson via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
A while ago there was discussion about the mini banana
plugs
used in this system.
On another project at work, we needed some mini banana
plugs, these sure look similar.
I found that Digi-Key stocks some, as part # 314-1403
(black, pack of 10 plugs, for $24)
and jacks 501-1051 (red) 501-1479 (black) and 501-1959
(green) for $2.05 each.
These are roughly 0.1" diameter plugs that squeeze down a
bit when inserted into the sockets.
Not claiming these are the same size as the DEC ones, but my
guess is they could be.
Jon
6:49 p.m.
New subject: DEC computer lab / mini banana plugs
At 07:47 PM 17/06/2021 -0500, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
A while ago there was discussion about the mini banana
plugs
used in this system.
On another project at work, we needed some mini banana
plugs, these sure look similar.
I found that Digi-Key stocks some, as part # 314-1403
(black, pack of 10 plugs, for $24)
and jacks 501-1051 (red) 501-1479 (black) and 501-1959
(green) for $2.05 each.
These are roughly 0.1" diameter plugs that squeeze down a
bit when inserted into the sockets.
Not claiming these are the same size as the DEC ones, but my
guess is they could be.
Jon
There are also some possible functional equivalents available in bulk
and cheap, from Aliexpress. They are in-line power connectors used by
RC enthusiasts. For soldering to power wires, and come in M/F pairs.
There are multiple sizes, but so far I've only bought the two sizes
that fit standard 4mm banana jacks, and 2mm sockets.
2mm: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001041960728.html
10Pairs/Set 2mm Bullet Banana Plug Wire Connector Tool for RC Battery
US $1.29 Shop5585045 Store
4mm: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32339136046.html
IMC Hot 4mm Inside Dia Male Female Banana Plug Bullet Replacement 10 Pairs
US $4.02 Imc Digital Technology Company Ltd
(They are having their "11st Anniversary" :)
But basically search for whoever has the best deal and shipping.
Obviously the 'gold plating' won't have much if any actual gold, but
it seems quite functional.
There are also multiple sources of very nice high flexibility, fine
stranded wire with silicone insulation. In a wide range of sizes.
eg https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32432300722.html
Not to mention ultra-cheap heatshrink tubing.
It's nice to finally have multimeter probes that measure 0.0 ohms when shorted.
Unlike the usual cheap, thin core commercial leads.
Guy
18 Jun
18 Jun
12:15 a.m.
New subject: DEC computer lab / mini banana plugs
Ok two sizes mentioned.? Which is wa9t we need????Great price.? Museum has I think 3 extra
fev labs Wednesday to have cabled to make more attractive to take off or sell..
Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 6:52 PM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote: At 07:47 PM 17/06/2021 -0500, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
A while ago there was discussion about the mini banana
plugs
used in this system.
On another project at work, we needed some mini banana
plugs, these sure look similar.
I found that Digi-Key stocks some, as part # 314-1403
(black, pack of 10 plugs, for $24)
and jacks 501-1051 (red) 501-1479 (black) and 501-1959
(green) for $2.05 each.
These are roughly 0.1" diameter plugs that squeeze down a
bit when inserted into the sockets.
Not claiming these are the same size as the DEC ones, but my
guess is they could be.
Jon
There are also some possible functional equivalents available in bulk
and cheap, from Aliexpress. They are in-line power connectors used by
RC enthusiasts. For soldering to power wires, and come in M/F pairs.
There are multiple sizes, but so far I've only bought the two sizes
that fit standard 4mm banana jacks, and 2mm sockets.
2mm:? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001041960728.html
10Pairs/Set 2mm Bullet Banana Plug Wire Connector Tool for RC Battery
US $1.29? ? Shop5585045 Store
4mm:? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32339136046.html
IMC Hot 4mm Inside Dia Male Female Banana Plug Bullet Replacement 10 Pairs
US $4.02? ? Imc Digital Technology Company Ltd
(They are having their "11st Anniversary" :)
But basically search for whoever has the best deal and shipping.
Obviously the 'gold plating' won't have much if any actual gold, but
it seems quite functional.
There are also multiple sources of very nice high flexibility, fine
stranded wire with silicone insulation. In a wide range of sizes.
eg? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32432300722.html
Not to mention ultra-cheap heatshrink tubing.
It's nice to finally have multimeter probes that measure 0.0 ohms when shorted.
Unlike the usual cheap, thin core commercial leads.
Guy
17 Jun
17 Jun
1:59 p.m.
On 6/17/2021 4:40 AM, D. Resor via cctalk wrote:
It seems at least on the first page of their listings,
$899.99 is a favorite
asking price?
https://www.ebay.com/str/vintagecomputermuseumservices?_trksid=p2047675.l256
3
Don Resor
When I first crossed paths with this guy I sent him a message about some
item he had listed correcting his claims about it.? Don't recall that.
I do recall the two Ebay max length psychotic rants i got back along
with threats to get me banned from Ebay.
A seller name can be anything on Ebay.? People must be assuming he ever
was what his title claims.? I don't know where he got his stuff, it was
Pre the Sellam situation (who lost a lot of possibly similar materials).
And a Museum doesn't imply that any of the articles were acquired by
donations.? I think that' s just part of the game.? Most of the items
listed have been listed and remain so from near his registration date,
and one must wonder if any of it is still in the listed state.
as to "target market" and all that, the seller has been ridiculous as
long as the listings have been there.? He appears to not be selling the
high priced stuff, and a lot of his stuff seems to be in line with ebay
prices.
Thanks
jim
2:10 p.m.
At 03:59 PM 6/17/2021, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
When I first crossed paths with this guy I sent him a
message about some item he had listed correcting his claims about it.? Don't recall
that.
Is there some reason we're not naming names here? Are they known?
And a Museum doesn't imply that any of the articles
were acquired by donations.? I think that' s just part of the game.
I used "museum" in the name of my web for my classic stuff a long time ago.
Got a few calls from people over the years who wanted to visit... well,
it's just all the stuff in storage here. No exhibits.
- John
2:24 p.m.
On 6/17/2021 2:10 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
My point about museums.? They need not even have exhibits.? I played
along with John Keys Houston Museum
which had a sad end.? I think he did take things with the notion that he
was a museum.? A lot of people
don't check if the stuff goes off their dock, basement or garage.
thanks
Jim
At 03:59 PM 6/17/2021, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
After my interaction with him 17 years ago, IIRC he's on the other side
of the country from me, and I'm glad of it.
I didn't get any name.? I just told him bring it a**hole as a response
to his threats.
When I first crossed paths with this guy I sent
him a message about some item he had listed correcting his claims about it.? Don't
recall that.
Is there some reason we're not naming names here? Are they known?
And a Museum
doesn't imply that any of the articles were acquired by donations.? I think that'
s just part of the game.
I used "museum" in the name of my web for my
classic stuff a long time ago.
Got a few calls from people over the years who wanted to visit... well,
it's just all the stuff in storage here. No exhibits.
- John
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