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OT: Kaypro 10 on TV sitcom last night (Feb 2006)

by lee＠geekdot.com

> There were a whole bunch of classic computers shown including a > Commodore PET. The sitcom 'IT Crowd' on Channel 4 in the UK features quite a lot of classic computing equipment as scenery, including a Commodore PET. http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/I/itcrowd/ Lee.

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Orlando Hamfest

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I just returned from two days at the Orlando Hamfest. The hamfest was HUGE this year but I really didn't find much of interest. I think that's largely becuase I've gotten so good at scrounging up stuff that I already have better stuff than they have for sale at the hamfest. There was very little PC stuff there and only saw three classic MOL computers. A guy there had three Amigos with the video toasters that he was trying desperately to sell. I think he finally gave up and just left them there when he left. I tried to call a couple of CC Listers that I though might be interested in them but never got an answer and I didn't want them so I left them behind. I did pick up up an HP-42S, HP-49G with manuals, an operator's manual for the Xerox 820 and a couple of options (A68 and A09) for the HP 1611 Logic Analyzer. The options are pretty neat. They are complete packages and appear to have never been used. One option (A68) is for the 6800 and related CPUs and the other (A09) is for the 6809 and related CPUs. Each includes the Operators and Service manual plus two boards that install in the 1611, a pod that plugs into the CPU socket of the target system and a panel that mounts on the front of the 1611 to the right of the CRT*. These allow the 1611 to monitor and control all of the control and data lines for that CPU as well as decode the data back into the mneunonics for that CPU. I also got a GOOD deal on a New Hermes Engravograph (pantograph) with several sets of brass type patterns. * You can see what the panel for a 6809 looks like on this picture of a HP-1611 for sale on E-bay. Item number: 3820281013 Joe

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Speaking of sightings on TV...

by news＠computercollector.com

Our local club, MARCH, was recently contacted by some commercial producers on behalf of the Bank of New York. They rented a vintage computer from us for a commercial that should air next month. I won't disclose what they rented (and to the rest of your MARCHians out there, please keep the secret!)... We'll see if anyone out there in cctalk-ville can figure out what it is! ----------------------------------------- Evan Koblentz's personal homepage: http://www.snarc.net Computer Collector Newsletter: >> http://news.computercollector.com Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists & Museum: >> http://www.marchclub.org >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/

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Dr. Strangelove -- Classic Computer sighting

by elf＠ucsd.edu

Was watching Stanley Kubrick's movie "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb" (circa 1964) on the tube last night, and noticed Peter Sellers sitting in front of a console of some mainframe computer. It was a beautiful looking console, lots of switches, lights, mag tape units in the background. A state-of-the-art-unit for the era, I'm sure. Anyone who has seen it know what computer it was? -Eric

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LMI CADR machine boot disk?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I'm sure he would love to hear from you. Brad Parker would as well http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/index.html

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Tandy Xenix disk images

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

> > I have started making images of the Tandy 3.2 Xenix install > disks. Right now > the first two disks are in "catweasel" .dmk format on > http://www.catcorner.org/Xenix > > If anyone needs them, download them and give them a try. Let > me know which > works. The second image of the second disk is a single sided > image, which > should be all you really need. > > Kelly > FWIW the complete OS install set is now uploaded. How long before M$ jumps on me for this... Remember when a base Xenix install took less than 6 meg!!! Kelly

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VCP200 chip available

by adamg＠pobox.com

I have an old VCP200 voice recognition chip -- think I bought it at Rat Shack a long time ago. It's been sitting in its original antistatic foam in a pile of dust atop my monitor for several years. I never tried using it and have no idea if it's good. The chip has the Motorola logo and then says VCPI (c) 1988 VCP200 A61A8902. Anyone want it? First person to send me their snail-mail address gets it. -- Adam

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LMI CADR machine boot disk?

by peter.braroe＠newsmachine.com

Bob Shannon <mailto:cctalk%40classiccmp.org?Subject=Hello%20classic%20computer%20fans... &In-Reply-To=> bshannon at tiac.net Hello! Hope this email adress works! I have two LMI CADR machines and I booted one as late as ten years ago 1995! I saw this post: http://classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2001-May/172026.html and you said you had spare parts? I may need some as I am going to try to get the machine to run again. I would be happy to try to create a boot disk image for you if mine are still good so you can boot yours too. do you have any tape drive interface for the CADR that could be used to get the data off it? Best regards, /Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Peter A. Braroe VD, NewsMachine Blekingegatan 44 S-116 62 Stockholm Office: +46-(0)8-442 03 31 Mobile: +46-(0)708-750 991

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Mounting new hardware in vintage hardware

by trixter＠oldskool.org

I finally got a chance to try the Silicon Valley Computer ADP50L (an 8-bit ISA IDE controller) in my IBM 5160 and I have to say, I love the thing and want to put it to full active use. My problem is, how do I properly mount a "modern" (3.5" half-height) hard drive into the case? Looking at the existing ST-225 that's currently in there, it has much larger dimensions so that it not only reaches the screw holes on the side of the case, but for additional stability has the front faceplate directly screwed onto it as well. It's in there pretty tight. I can remove it, but how do I put my 340MB smaller drive in it's place? I know I could just lay it down gingerly and try not to move the case, but I've got kids and wouldn't want an accident to damage the drive (or worse, damage the innards if the drive goes flying into the center of the machine). Any ideas? Is there a safe, non-flammable, non-disintegrating material I can use to wedge it in perhaps? (ick) -- Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/ Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/

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VERY LONG: Latest S-100 Haul

by rp0428＠pacbell.net

Hi, Just ran across you email from 4 years ago about your 'Latest S-100 Haul'. Do you still have the DataStar manual? I worked at MicroPro in 1980-82 as the primary developer on DataStar after Diane Hajicek moved on to InfoStar. I have a copy of DataStar release 1.1 that I can still run on my PC (W2K or XP) using a Z80 and CP/M emulator. But I can't find out where the patch area is for the terminal installation strings. The DataStar manual should have an appendix that lists the terminal strings and patch areas. Also, I found a site (http://www.triousa.com/) run by Gordon Jackson (formerly of MicroPro). His company can still do file conversions and things. Don't know if he can handle 8" disks but he might. Thanks for any info or leads you can provide. Rick

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Tandy Xenix disk images

by CCTalk＠catcorner.org

I have started making images of the Tandy 3.2 Xenix install disks. Right now the first two disks are in "catweasel" .dmk format on http://www.catcorner.org/Xenix If anyone needs them, download them and give them a try. Let me know which works. The second image of the second disk is a single sided image, which should be all you really need. Kelly

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What bus is this for?

by herby1620＠yahoo.com

On Thursday 02 February 2006 08:48 am, Richard wrote: > ebay item #8760295547, prototyping board > > Card edge connector with 44 contacts, 22 per side, 0.156" spacing > > Is this STD bus? I'm not planning on buying it, I was just > curious :) Oh, yes, the 44 pin cards. There were quite a few connectors that used the .156 spacing for contacts (before everyone went to .1 centers). They still are around in lots of places. The "numbering" of the contacts was USUALLY one side with numbers, and the other side with letters (missing G, I, O, Q). This means that the 44 pin connector had letters from A to Z! I designed a 6800 system using these cards (the prototyping cards were available where I worked at VERY low cost!), and it worked quite well. 8 data lines, 16 address lines, and 7 controls. I used 21 & Y for +5 volts and 22 & Z for ground. Look, it was 1975, and only 1MHz!. It actually worked out quite well, and I get a company going for around 4 years (it died of bad management!). Yes, there were LOTS of prototyping boards around for this from factor, and I was thankful for that. One of the goodies that I did was a Centronics interface using only a single 6821 (PIA) on the board. It worked quite well (a slot select line was wired into the board which made it pretty simple!). Those were the days. Simple interfaces and all the source you could see. (*SIGH*) Yes, STD bus is 56 pins at .150 spacing, but same form factor! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Announcing a VCF keynote speaker...

by news＠computercollector.com

We confirmed a keynote by Steve Lukasik this morning. Steve was director of ARPA in the first half of the 1970s when ARPAnet was happening. He also actually trained at Camp Evans in the 1950s. (Camp Evans was the Army's name for what is now InfoAge, which is our venue.) Also trying to get someone from Lucent (Bell Labs), someone from IBM, maybe someone from Penn (because of ENIAC etc.) ----------------------------------------- Evan Koblentz's personal homepage: http://www.snarc.net Computer Collector Newsletter: >> http://news.computercollector.com Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists & Museum: >> http://www.marchclub.org >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/

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CNET artical on ENIAC

by dave04a＠dunfield.com

Case anyone here is interested - CNET will be publishing an artical on the ENIAC on news.com monday morning. I'm told it will contain 15 minutes of video on the ENIAC and it's creators, as well as a gallery of historic computers. -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html

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CNET artical on ENIAC

by wbblair3＠yahoo.com

> Case anyone here is interested - CNET will be publishing an > artical on the ENIAC on news.com monday morning. I'm told it > will contain 15 minutes of video on the ENIAC and it's creators, > as well as a gallery of historic computers. Please post the URL after they post that. Otherwise, I will likely forget. Thanks, Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel)

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

CIS stands for Commercial Instruction Set. The chip adds new "instruction opcodes" to the processor. AFAIK it is of little use, unless you have COBOL programs, or do a lot of string manipulations, and then of course it is only used if the program recognizes it. That's about what I know. I have the chip here too, but never thought of installing it, because it will draw power, generate some extra heat, and that's about it. But I keep the chip, it's a bit rare, and because of its looks :-) - Henk, PA8PDP. ________________________________ Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org namens Julian Wolfe Verzonden: vr 10-02-2006 19:09 Aan: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Onderwerp: What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel) Speaking of CIS, can anyone point me to a good document as to what the benefits of CIS are? I've often wondered what this is about, as it's a plug-in chip on my 11/23+ This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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IBM RS/6000

by legalize＠xmission.com

Does anyone on the list have an IBM RS/6000 machine? They had some pretty spiffy graphics options in the early 90s. I had a coworker who did some cool fractal demo hacks for them while he worked for the local IBM office. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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OT: Kaypro 10 on TV sitcom last night (Feb 2006)

by dzubint＠vcn.bc.ca

Hmmmm...I never thought that I'd see classic computers on modern TV shows or movies anymore, but in the third-to-last episode of "Arrested Development" (sitcom) last night on FOX, a Kaypro 10 held the secret to a pivotal plot element. There were a whole bunch of classic computers shown including a Commodore PET.

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What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel)

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Yes, I read that 11/74 is in the newest release of E11, and that you have put in a lot of good work together with John. But I have never looked into the possibility to connect switches and lights to work with E11. (I did built the 16 LEDs connected to the parallel printer port, but that is not a "complete" panel). In SIMH, I can hack around to connect what I want :-) E11, from V4, provides hooks, but as said, I did not dive into that. - Henk. ________________________________ Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org namens Johnny Billquist Verzonden: za 11-02-2006 00:52 Aan: cctalk at classiccmp.org Onderwerp: Re: What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel) And e11 V5 actually have the 11/74 implemented, along with the other stuff needed for multiprocessor PDP-11s. And it works, even if it is a bit tricky to set up, and not really documented any good. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel)

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Yes, I stand corrected. I should have written EIS, Extended Instruction Set. And as Billy points out, FIS is *not* FP11-x or FPP-x. I might have taken a bit more time to write it down correct the first time. OTOH, this is a thread worthy of CC, which is not always the case :-) have a nice weekend, - Henk. ________________________________ Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org namens Tom Uban Verzonden: vr 10-02-2006 20:58 Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Onderwerp: RE: What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel) At 08:44 PM 2/10/2006 +0100, you wrote: >now you got me thinking, Zane. >I have FIS in my 11/44, and I am not sure I have CIS either installed >in the /44, or the module is somewhere, or I passed on it for the same >reason I did not install the CIS chip in the QBUS-based 11. >My 11/35 OTOH does have FIS and CIS (and MMU plus SLR), but Do you mean EIS (M7238) instead of CIS here? --tom >that's just to have a complete CPU with *all* options :-) > >- Henk. > >________________________________ > >Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org namens Zane H. Healy >Verzonden: vr 10-02-2006 20:27 >Aan: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Onderwerp: Re: What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel) > > > > > > > Speaking of CIS, can anyone point me to a good document as to what the > > benefits of CIS are? I've often wondered what this is about, as it's a > > plug-in chip on my 11/23+ > > > >As I recall, it's for *business* computing, rather than *scientific* >computing. I think it speeds up Cobol, and maybe some other stuff. > >Out of *all* of my PDP-11's, the only system I have with the CIS option is a >/23+. I rather wish I had it for my /44, though I don't actually need it >:^) > > Zane > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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archiving hard drives, Televideo PM/4T and AT&T7300

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

when I said my attempts failed, its due to the way those disks were stored (i.e theyre just bad). I probably have ALL the docs for the machine though, a stack of slipcovered binders 2-3ft tall. --- cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org <doc at mdrconsult.com> wrote: > Chris M wrote: > > I have 2 systems in particular for which I'd like to > > create images of the hard drives (well it would be > > nice anyway). The first is an AT & T 7300 "UNIX PC" > > (68010 based). The other is a Televideo "Personal > > Mini" PM/4T or something (80186 based). What's the > > best way to go about it? It's not unlikely I'd find an > > archive of 7300 software out there on the net (I have > > MANY of the original disks, and my attempts at imaging > > them have failed) > > Chris, the UnixPC will dupe those disks itself. It's slow going to > be sure, but it works. > > I've got an idea that Dave Dunfield's ImageDisk might handle those > install floppies, but my UnixPC is in storage and *way* down on the > project list. > > > Doc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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SIMMS and other memory dongles

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

What this sounds like is that he wants something to build up a (say) 128 MB SIMM from 4 32 MB SIMMS, and have it be the same width. This sounds suspiciously like you're trying to build a device to create a composite SIMM, which does require some external logic (often implemented as a PAL). When composite SIMMS were made, they were the cause of some "profanity sculpture", as they tended to not have consistant timing, if I recall. The 8-bit to 32-bit adaptors were/are fairly common, but with 4-16 MB 32/(36)bit SIMMS free to very cheap, not really worth pursuing.

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Date on STK7551 regulator?

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

Does anyone have, or know of a source of, data on the STK7551? This is a hybrid circuit, designed to mount onto a heatsink. It's got 16 (or so) connectons on oen edge, which are soldered to the PCB. What I know : It's a voltage regulator. It says so on the package. It's used in the Epson TF20 disk drive power supply, where it outputs +5V and +12V. It's clearly a dual regulator, and I uspect it's a switcher. What I would like is at least a pinout, and preferably even more data (Please don't send anything but plain text to me here, if you've got images, or pdfs, or something, contact me, and I'll give you an address to sned them to. Thanks!) -tony

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What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel)

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

now you got me thinking, Zane. I have FIS in my 11/44, and I am not sure I have CIS either installed in the /44, or the module is somewhere, or I passed on it for the same reason I did not install the CIS chip in the QBUS-based 11. My 11/35 OTOH does have FIS and CIS (and MMU plus SLR), but that's just to have a complete CPU with *all* options :-) - Henk. ________________________________ Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org namens Zane H. Healy Verzonden: vr 10-02-2006 20:27 Aan: cctalk at classiccmp.org Onderwerp: Re: What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel) > > Speaking of CIS, can anyone point me to a good document as to what the > benefits of CIS are? I've often wondered what this is about, as it's a > plug-in chip on my 11/23+ > As I recall, it's for *business* computing, rather than *scientific* computing. I think it speeds up Cobol, and maybe some other stuff. Out of *all* of my PDP-11's, the only system I have with the CIS option is a /23+. I rather wish I had it for my /44, though I don't actually need it :^) Zane This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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HP150-II

by Glen.Heiberg＠gijima.com

Hello list, A couple of questions on the HP150-II... 1) Just how rare are these machines? www.hpmuseum.net rates the HP150-II with a "rarity factor" of 2/10 (where 10 is extremely rare). Is this about correct? I know the original HP150 was quite widely used in HP shops, but I've seen only 2 HP150-II's here in South Africa. I've got one, and the other was used as a console on an HP3000 series 70. 2) I've already had most of the software available that hpmuseum.net offers for the HP150; however, anyone got Windows (was it v 1.03?) for this box? Cheers Glen.

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What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel)

by bqt＠update.uu.se

"Julian Wolfe" <fireflyst at earthlink.net> wrote: > Speaking of CIS, can anyone point me to a good document as to what the > benefits of CIS are? I've often wondered what this is about, as it's a > plug-in chip on my 11/23+ As others have said, CIS stands for Commercial Instruction Set. It's an add-on to the PDP-11 for string manipulation. It's entirely described in a number of versions of the PDP-11 processor handbook. Probably any version dealing with the 11/44, 11/23 or 11/24, since those were the only CPUs to have CIS (if we ignore the 11/74). Further comments on this thread: An 11/44 cannot have FIS. (Jeez, don't you know anything? :-) ) The FIS was an early floating point implementation which only exists for the 11/35, 11/40 and 11/03. All others use some variant of the FPP-11. Different opcodes, different data formats, different just about everything. RSTS/E in late versions use MOVC if it exists, to move data around in the kernel. RSX never use CIS in the kernel. Neither FORTRAN IV, FORTRAN 77, PDP-11, nor BASIC+2 uses CIS. They will all use FPP however, if it exists. FORTRAN IV can also use FIS, if I remember right. I don't think DIBOL uses CIS, but I'm not entirely sure. COBOL uses CIS if it exists, however. Of course an assembler programmer can use CIS if he wants to. :-) EAE is another beast, and one which any Unibus cpu probably can use, since it's not really an addition to the CPU, but actually a peripherial. Not much point in it, however, atleast not if you have EIS. Since that does more, better and faster than EAE. It was mostly something used in the 11/20 and 11/15. And e11 V5 actually have the 11/74 implemented, along with the other stuff needed for multiprocessor PDP-11s. And it works, even if it is a bit tricky to set up, and not really documented any good. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Original 11/74 front panel

by bqt＠update.uu.se

Don North <ak6dn at mindspring.com> wrote: Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> "Julian Wolfe (FireflyST)" <fireflyst at earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >> >>>>> Okay, what I immediately noticed is that these machines say "MP" and >>>>> Don's panel doesn't. >> >>> More differences: Don's panel have the location for the key moved to >>> the other side of the parity lamps. Which is rather weird. >>> Also, the screenprint of 11/74 looks shadowed, which is weird. And the >>> right hand side have a different color than the left hand side. >>> And of course, the 11/74s from Tim don't have any CIS stuff on the >>> front panel. > > Besides moving the keyswitch, the dial selector knobs on the righthand > side were moved around as well to make space to label all the extra > switch positions. > > As I mentioned in another reply, the artifacts are due to scanning the > panel on a 14" flatbed scanner in two pieces, and merging the scans. > When I get around to it I'll take a high quality single-view photograph. Yes, I saw that. Well, that explains those artifacts. It would definitely by nice if you could take a good photo of it at some time. >>> (I'm still thinking that Don's panel have never had a matching piece >>> of real hardware, since I don't think that CPU was ever built.) > > I can only say that I worked on real 11/74 hardware in 1978-9 writing > microcode for the 11/74 CIS (commercial instruction set) accelerator > (packed decimal, string instructions, etc). See http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/1174/Prelim_KB11-E_Diffs_Aug78.pdf > for a memo written by Ray Boucher, one of the hardware designers (Al, > how did you ever come across a memo such as this???). The other hardware > designed was Mike Brown. The other microcoders were Dave Sager and Lewis > Costas. The project manager was Dave Barry. How much more do you need to > know? Ok. I'm conviced. :-) Thanks, by the way for clearing that up. > Not a lot of 11/74 CIS systems were built, probably no more than a dozen > or so maximum. The 11/74 folded in the 11/70MP changes which had been > done about a year earlier, so an 11/74 was really an 11/70MP base plus > the CIS option. Later when the 11/74 CIS was killed as a product, the > 11/74 name lived on, but it was strictly a renamed version of the 11/70MP. Wonderful that some were really built. Were they every used for anything, or were they just built to prove it worked, and then cancelled? What happened to those machines? Hmm, you raised a new question in my mind. I have always been under the impression that the 11/74 designation was for the MP system, but here you seem to imply that the 11/74 was really the 11/70 with CIS, and the moniker was actually only taken over by the MP system after the 11/70 CIS was cancelled. Is that correctly understood? If so, that's interesting. Do you know why they cancelled it? (Well, I could guess that the CIS really didn't turn out to be something customers asked for, especially not after the VAX started rolling, but anyway...) >>>>> Were there non-multiprocessor 11/74s? If so, what would have been >>>>> the benefits over 11/70s? >> >>> >>> Yes there were. And the benifits were none. Actually, they were >>> slightly worse than normal 11/70s, but the difference were minimal. >>> After DEC decided to not make the 11/74 into a commercial product, >>> they used 11/74 parts for 11/70 machines. Atleast inhouse. Not sure if >>> any of those parts found their way into customers machines. >>> >>> Used as such, the differences were basically related to cache: The MMU >>> have the cache bypass bit. The ASRB instruction always bypass the >>> cache, and you can also order the machine to explicitly bypass the >>> cache (unless my memory fails me). >>> >>> But nothing of this was used by any OS normally, so the only thing >>> noticeable would be the slower ASRB instruction. >>> > > All true statements. ASRB to memory was modified to act as the semaphore > instruction and thus always bypassed the cache AND did an atomic > read/modify/write cycle to the memory. The valid semaphore memory values > were 0 and 1; ASRB would then always set the memory value to 0 and > return the old value in the C-bit from the right shift carry out. Just to clarify things here. The ASRB didn't always write a 0 back, it's just for the spinlock semaphores that only held the value 0 or 1 that ASRB in effect always wrote a 0 (right?). I seem to remember some other paper about this that also pointed out that one optimization done was that if the data read by the ASRB was already 0, it didn't do a write at all, which improved efficiency a lot. Thanks for providing some insight here. If you have more gems stored in your head, perhaps we could talk a bit offline. There are things I'd like to know. :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Paging Henk.....

by jim＠g1jbg.co.uk

Henk, I sent you a message last weekend, which I think may have fallen into your spam filter. Regards Jim Please see our website the " Vintage Communication Pages" at WWW.G1JBG.CO.UK

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Original 11/74 front panel

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Hmm, I was wondering ... (as if I don't have enough projects at hand), the 11/70MP or 11/74 are of course real unobtainium gold-pressed latinum (perhaps even literally!). So, I think it makes sense to get SIMH running on a PC/104 board (trivial), add the Blinkenlight Core and I/O Board and build an 11/74 console. You could make a replica of the console, or perhaps re-use an 11/70 console panel and make a new plastic front. If the key switch or the rotary knobs are in the wrong position, you could re-arrange that. What matters are the switches and the LEDs for a "real" replica. Of course, I am *not* saying that you should rip a console of a real 11/70 ! We know a source, just be prepared to put down some money ... I bought a real 11/70 console, and started on the metal workz to build a nice (smallish) box behind the panel. Guess what's going inside that :-) But this gets close to the new thread "mounting new hardware in vintage hardware". - Henk, PA8PDP. ________________________________ Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org namens Tim Shoppa Verzonden: wo 08-02-2006 19:24 Aan: cctalk at classiccmp.org Onderwerp: Re: Original 11/74 front panel Don North wrote > So how many of these panels exist is hard to say. I know only of one. Two more can be seen at http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/1174Xopen.jpg <http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/1174Xopen.jpg> So that makes three :-). Tim. This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

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archiving hard drives, Televideo PM/4T and AT&T7300

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Don't the Unix-based OS's have a similar capability with the 'dd' function, BTW? dd will fail on the first bad block on the device. It also wouldn't work if the SCSI device is using a sector size different from what the raw device driver is expecting. Getting disc images of these discs may be more difficult than you might initially think, because they aren't likely to be either SCSI or IDE. If they are ST506, you have to have a disc interface that matches the sector encoding. It is unlikely you are going to be able to find one that will match using commodity ISA controllers. If the computers are working, you'll probably have to write some code to send the data out through some interface on the computer, like a serial port, dealing with the possiblity of bad sectors. The 7300 was common enough that I would think a program exists somewhere to to that.

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What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel)

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

At 08:44 PM 2/10/2006 +0100, you wrote: >now you got me thinking, Zane. >I have FIS in my 11/44, and I am not sure I have CIS either installed >in the /44, or the module is somewhere, or I passed on it for the same >reason I did not install the CIS chip in the QBUS-based 11. >My 11/35 OTOH does have FIS and CIS (and MMU plus SLR), but Do you mean EIS (M7238) instead of CIS here? --tom >that's just to have a complete CPU with *all* options :-) > >- Henk. > >________________________________ > >Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org namens Zane H. Healy >Verzonden: vr 10-02-2006 20:27 >Aan: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Onderwerp: Re: What's CIS for? (was RE: Original 11/74 front panel) > > > > > > > Speaking of CIS, can anyone point me to a good document as to what the > > benefits of CIS are? I've often wondered what this is about, as it's a > > plug-in chip on my 11/23+ > > > >As I recall, it's for *business* computing, rather than *scientific* >computing. I think it speeds up Cobol, and maybe some other stuff. > >Out of *all* of my PDP-11's, the only system I have with the CIS option is a >/23+. I rather wish I had it for my /44, though I don't actually need it >:^) > > Zane > > > > > > >This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the >addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or >otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. >If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for >delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified >that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is >strictly prohibited. >If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender >immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. >Thank you for your cooperation.

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Project Delta pictures

by legalize＠xmission.com

Some of you guys may have noticed I often refer to the computing center at udel.edu "back in the day". Here are some B&W photos of their machine room at the time. You may find them interesting. Systems shown: PDP-11/70 DEC-10 Burroughs B7700 Control Data Corporation Cyber-173(?) Xerox 1200 laser printer <http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mader/delta/erniepics.html> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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Anybody have devices using RGB LEDs?

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Doug Salot wrote: > A lawyer asked me if I had any devices made before 1997 that used RGB > LEDs. I know that RGB LEDs have been around since at least 1991, but I > don't have anything to offer them. If you have a device that uses a mux > and PWM with the LEDs, that would apparently please them very much. > > I'm sure there will be a bounty involved, but I haven't been given > specifics. Just as a backgrounder, there's a company called Color Kinetics that owns the patent for mixing R, G, and B light from LED's. I was briefly targeted by the company in the 90's for suggesting on Usenet that the same could be done without paying them royalties. I know that most legal action is heavy-handed, but these guys are big hitters and will come down hard on anyone who suggests that mixing these colors can be done without paying them royalties. Tim.

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VCF East 3.0 -- prices and times are now final

by news＠computercollector.com

Our club, MARCH (Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists), is now announcing the prices and times for VCF East 3.0: General public admission: Adults -- $10 13 and under -- $7 Hours: Sat. 9:30AM-6:00PM ------------------- Consignment area: - $1 to be included / First-come, first-served (limited space) - 20% of sale goes to MARCH / 80% goes to seller - Anything unclaimed becomes a MARCH donation ------------------- Exhibitor fees: Standard booth (approx. 6x8 ft.): MARCH members -- $20 Non-members -- $25 Extra-large booth (limited availability) MARCH members - $30 Non-members -- $35 Included for all exhibitor booths: basic 110V power, one t-shirt, a 2x6-ft. table, and dinner (pizza etc.) Friday set-up -- 3PM - 8PM / Saturday set-up -- 7AM-9AM Exhibitor / VIP dinner -- Sat. 7PM ------------------ Lectures will run all day long. Questions / Special requests: please email me at evank at marchclub.org (NOT at my newsletter address) ----------------------------------------- Evan Koblentz's personal homepage: http://www.snarc.net Computer Collector Newsletter: >> http://news.computercollector.com Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists & Museum: >> http://www.marchclub.org >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/

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archiving hard drives, Televideo PM/4T and AT&T7300

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

I have 2 systems in particular for which I'd like to create images of the hard drives (well it would be nice anyway). The first is an AT & T 7300 "UNIX PC" (68010 based). The other is a Televideo "Personal Mini" PM/4T or something (80186 based). What's the best way to go about it? It's not unlikely I'd find an archive of 7300 software out there on the net (I have MANY of the original disks, and my attempts at imaging them have failed), but the Televid uses Infoshare, which I believe is OEM Netware 1.0 or something. So what would be the best way to go about it? This is assuming the Televideo's hard drive works at all (it spins). I have it's original disks also, but they're flakey. I'll get more info on the type of drives used in the coming days. It would be nice if I could plug them into a peecee, but this is assuming the file systems are compatible - somewhat of a long shot. Grassyass. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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GPIB-to-USB

by cclist＠sydex.com

I know that there are a number of HP enthusiasts here. This item was in the current EDN online and I thought it might interest someone: http://www.edn.com/article/CA6290453.html?spacedesc=designideas Cheers, Chuck

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Gordon Bell tours of CHM

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Microsoft has "Channel 9", a place for their videos and podcasts. There are almost 700 videos there. Among them, two related to classic computers, as tours of the Computer History Museum. http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=123333 http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=123765 Yes, you'll need a contemporary Windows machine to view these videos. They will not run on your glass TTY at 300 baud. Both are about one hour or 220 meg downloads (you can right-click Save Target As to download if you like). There's another "What Did Gordon Miss?" at: http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=51156 (80 meg) and another : http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=47043 - John

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cctech Digest, Vol 30, Issue 12

by terry＠terryking.us

At 06:53 AM 2/10/2006 -0600, you wrote: >I am wondering how you get it to Europe without going overseas ;-) By driving thru the tunnel, or taking the train UNDER the English Channel... Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage, Tunisia terry at terryking.us

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Anybody have devices using RGB LEDs?

by roosmcd＠dds.nl

Hello, Not sure if this link was already mentioned in the LED thread: http://ledmuseum.home.att.net/1990.htm Lots of other led information on the site about new and old leds. And I take it you've already contacted the manufacturers of RGB leds? They could have know where there products were used or developed a product demo display. greetings, Michiel

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Old Apple computer magazines, books for you

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Do not contact me (Steven), please contact: Addison Phillips <addison at addisonphillips.com> wrote: I have a may 1987 byte magazine, vol 12 no 5 here that I want to get rid of . I also have quite a few issues of incider, and nibble, not to mention tons of appleII programming books. In Tampa Florida. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Anybody have devices using RGB LEDs?

by Watzman＠neo.rr.com

Wrong. Blue (and White) LEDs are a relatively recent invention. I'm not sure when they first came into existence, but it was WAY after 1991; it was closer to or even after 2000, although it might have been in the very late 1990's. White LEDs were even later. There were 3 color LEDs in 1991, but not RGB. > >A lawyer asked me if I had any devices made before 1997 that used RGB >LEDs. I know that RGB LEDs have been around since at least 1991 >

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pro-350 dumpster dive

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> wrote: > On 2/9/2006 at 8:11 AM Arno Kletzander wrote: > > >Note on dumpsters on private property: > >Over here in Europe you often only have to ring the bell and ask and > >you get invited to help yourself to whatever you want from there - > >that's how it usually works for me. > > Many of the larger firms (read: the ones with really good stuff > to throw out) employ a hydraulic compactor to reduce the volume of > trash. They're already throwing out *organic* computers?! ;-) (I've never seen such a device used over here for trash containing anything harder than maybe plastic in big chunks. Mainly just for paper, cardboard packing boxes and styrofoam.) Come to think of it, I don't remember ever seeing one "in the wild" anywhere. They only have them at the communal recycling centers. Therefore, my above comment was only targeting plain old metal dumpsters without any "life of their own", and I thought clearly so. > I cannot imagine for one second any facilities person allowing you > near such a device. That's damn sure, and not such a bad idea in itself, unless one believes in Darwin's Law above all else. Then again, what's in there is not very likely to be of use any more. > Most of the really good equipment that I've seen people get was > done by arrangement with the facilities staff to have the > aforementioned goodie mysteriously disappear off the loading dock > before hitting the dumpster. A little cash can sometimes result > in great favors. That may be the better way (saving some damage to the equipment), but how often does stuff get hauled out before the dumpster arrives? Not very often in the places I frequent. Cheers, Chuck -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch? NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie

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Truely Ancient 2400 Baud Modems, last call!

by aw288＠osfn.org

The big cleanup continues, and these damn grey boxes are in the way. The grey boxes in question are a bunch of rackmount Western Electric 102B (or is it 201B?) modems, ex Goddard Space Flight Center. Apparently these handled encrypted voice and data, and perhaps some AUTODIN traffic. These are mostly 1967 builds, maybe a few from 1966. Getting 2400 baud thru a phone line back then required a foot tall section of rack space (21 inch!) full of cards stuffed with transistors. I have tried to sell these things, but they apparently belong in the lead balloon department. Being Western Electric from the good ole' days, these are dripping with gold, so I really need to get $50 a piece. So this is the last call. If you are interested, let me know, else they get scrapped. William Donzelli aw288 at osfn.org

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LEGO Difference Engine

by bob099＠centurytel.net

Building A Calculating Machine Using LEGO http://acarol.woz.org/ If you want something different.

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Mounting new hardware in vintage hardware

by oldcpu＠rogerwilco.org

Jim Leonard wrote: > I finally got a chance to try the Silicon Valley Computer ADP50L (an > 8-bit ISA IDE controller) in my IBM 5160 and I have to say, I love the > thing and want to put it to full active use. My problem is, how do I > properly mount a "modern" (3.5" half-height) hard drive into the case? > ... > Any ideas? Is there a safe, non-flammable, non-disintegrating material > I can use to wedge it in perhaps? (ick) There are mounting brackets available to allow one to mount a 3-1/2" devide in a 5-1/4" wide bay for modern PCs. Seems that this trick should also work with your 5160. The brackets add 'width' to the smaller drive and provide mounting holes on the outer dimension where they would normally be expected for a real 5-1/4" device. You can buy these kits, but you might actually be able to pick some up free from a local recycler. J

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sad ebay listing

by jwstephens＠msm.umr.edu

I saw a calculator listing just now that said "turned it on, it glowed a minute, now it only glows green on the screen" "I'm not going to try to fix it"... THANK YOU. I'm not listing numbers so I don't get sued, but it isn't hard to find. Jim

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What is an "AT&T 345i Safari"?

by trixter＠oldskool.org

Random woman emailed me that she has this thing and I don't know what to tell her. She uses the wording "monitor" but I can't tell if it really is a monitor or a laptop. She wrote: "The Monitor looks like a laptop with a handle on it. Sort of like a 60's 70's first battery operated radio. Very, very heavy. It is flat and opens like a laptop and has a screen and keyboard. I can send a pic to you if you like. The telephone don't go with it I figured out. LOL someone must have just stuck it in the big case for some reason. The booklet says it is an AT&T Color Monitor CRT 345i and it has Safari written on the top of it." What is this thing? -- Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/ Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/

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Unix on BBC micro with 16032 coprocessor

by hollobon＠gmail.com

Does anyone know if Xenix / Unix were ever available on the NS 16032 second processor for the BBC micro? I remember reading that it was intended to be made available in the user's guide years ago. Pete

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Multibus 1 386.387 wi 8 megs on epay.

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Jules Richardson" <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk> > >Paxton Hoag wrote: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8761090577 > >(for once someone posting a URL that isn't a billion characters long - well >done :-) > >> Looks like no eproms. > >Agreed. If it's anything like this '286 board in the system I've been looking >at then it should at least ship with a monitor ROM. Doubtless someone out >there has a board like this and can supply one, though. > >> there is no IDE, those are iSBX headers) > >Is there such thing as a Multibus IDE adapter? I've only ever seen >SCSI/ST412/SMD before. Hi I've seen iSBX IDE adapters someplace. I'm sure a search on the web will find one someplace. If the board takes iSBX it is a done deal. Dwight > >cheers > >Jules >

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Mythbusters (was: OT - Need fuse and jumpers from APC battery pack)

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Simon Fryer may have mentioned these words: >On 2/2/06, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote: > > > I'm thinking things like oh... if you put your wallet on top of device > > X, then all your credit cards will be demagnetized. Stuff like that. > >You need something with a bit of a bigger bang and/or a higher level of >danger. Like, say, for example, ads that advertised ruggedized computers by saying they could survive a drop from the empire state building... Were there any? ;-) That would be a good show... Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch at 30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

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SEMI OT END OF TELEGRAM AGE STOP

by spectre＠floodgap.com

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060201/sc_space/eraendswesternunionstopssen… elegrams STOP -- --------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- It is one thing to praise discipline, and another to submit to it.-Cervantes

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VCF East 3 plans, part two....

by news＠computercollector.com

Part 2: (in case you missed part 1, it's below) -- I forgot to mention in Part 1 that all exhibitors also get one free guest pass -- We have hotel rate of $109 at the Holiday Inn (wifi, decent food) -- (732) 544-9300 -- We could use some volunteer staffers, if anyone's willing just ping me... --------------- Part 1: Our club, MARCH (Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists), is now announcing the prices and times for VCF East 3.0: General public admission: Adults -- $10 13 and under -- $7 Hours: Sat. 9:30AM-6:00PM ------------------- Consignment area: - $1 to be included / First-come, first-served (limited space) - 20% of sale goes to MARCH / 80% goes to seller - Anything unclaimed becomes a MARCH donation ------------------- Exhibitor fees: Standard booth (approx. 6x8 ft.): MARCH members -- $20 Non-members -- $25 Extra-large booth (limited availability) MARCH members - $30 Non-members -- $35 Included for all exhibitor booths: basic 110V power, one t-shirt, a 2x6-ft. table, and dinner (pizza etc.) Friday set-up -- 3PM - 8PM / Saturday set-up -- 7AM-9AM Exhibitor / VIP dinner -- Sat. 7PM ------------------ Lectures will run all day long. Questions / Special requests: please email me at evank at marchclub.org (NOT at my newsletter address) ----------------------------------------- Evan Koblentz's personal homepage: http://www.snarc.net Computer Collector Newsletter: >> http://news.computercollector.com Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists & Museum: >> http://www.marchclub.org >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/

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Original 11/74 front panel

by bqt＠update.uu.se

"Julian Wolfe (FireflyST)" <fireflyst at earthlink.net> wrote: > Okay, what I immediately noticed is that these machines say "MP" and Don's panel doesn't. More differences: Don's panel have the location for the key moved to the other side of the parity lamps. Which is rather weird. Also, the screenprint of 11/74 looks shadowed, which is weird. And the right hand side have a different color than the left hand side. And of course, the 11/74s from Tim don't have any CIS stuff on the front panel. (I'm still thinking that Don's panel have never had a matching piece of real hardware, since I don't think that CPU was ever built.) Tim's picture however are of a real machine. Don't know which one, though. If it's just a two CPU machine, it might have been POLLUX::, since CASTOR:: was four CPUs. However, other machine have existed in the past. > Were there non-multiprocessor 11/74s? If so, what would have been the benefits over 11/70s? Yes there were. And the benifits were none. Actually, they were slightly worse than normal 11/70s, but the difference were minimal. After DEC decided to not make the 11/74 into a commercial product, they used 11/74 parts for 11/70 machines. Atleast inhouse. Not sure if any of those parts found their way into customers machines. Used as such, the differences were basically related to cache: The MMU have the cache bypass bit. The ASRB instruction always bypass the cache, and you can also order the machine to explicitly bypass the cache (unless my memory fails me). But nothing of this was used by any OS normally, so the only thing noticeable would be the slower ASRB instruction. Johnny > -----Original Message----- > >>From: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa at wmata.com> >>Sent: Feb 8, 2006 12:24 PM >>To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >>Subject: Re: Original 11/74 front panel >> >>Don North wrote >> >>>So how many of these panels exist is hard to say. I know only of one. >> >>Two more can be seen at >> >> http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/1174Xopen.jpg >> >>So that makes three :-). >> >>Tim. -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Anybody have devices using RGB LEDs?

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

a.carlini wrote: > They musty have been trying it on. There's surely no way they > can do anything to stop you discussing how to avoid their patent. > Nothing to stop them trying to scare you off though. I was actually doing more than just discussing it, I had been doing it in my basement for a couple of years and even was selling my product. My mistake was discussing it on Usenet. "It" in this case is PWM modulation of R, G, and B LED's which are then mixed together. And that is exactly what their patent covers, even though it was blatantly obvious long before they ever existed. Tim.

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need a keyboard for a MINDSET computer

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

I would imagine the only way to get one is to find another whole system. In the rare event theres any technical docs out there, those could definately be useful. I opened the thing up and apparently it uses an 8042 in a supervisory capacity (like an IBM PC/AT I guess). It has a second one for I dont know what. The BYTE article referred to them as auxiliary coprocessors or some crap. What the vintage computer community needs is a reconfigurable keyboard thingamabob. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

20 years, 6 months

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SmallDog Elex. recycling - source?

by James＠jdfogg.com

> Is anyone near Waitsfield, Vermont? I note that Small Dog > Electronics ( http://www.smalldog.com ) has a website that > harps on their environmental responsibility, and offers a > computer recycling service. Not affiliated except as a > customer, and curious (if you already know them) whether they > are good folks. If they are, they might be willing to filter > out interesting stuff from their recycle stream. > -- Smalldog is near me (1 hour away). These guys are awesome. Friends and I have done business with them (friends were by weborder/mailorder). They do recycle, and they use Wincycle as a recycling partner (www.wincycle.org). And yes, Wincycle gets rescue-worthy systems frequently, I just don't get out there often enough. Wincycle will recondition / resell what's useable, mostly to schools, non profits and low income families. Smalldog is very active in Apple's refurb program. Smalldog also lets me bring my small dogs with me to visit (the dog theme is based in a real life dog story).

20 years, 6 months

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SmallDog Elex. recycling - source?

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Is anyone near Waitsfield, Vermont? I note that Small Dog Electronics ( http://www.smalldog.com ) has a website that harps on their environmental responsibility, and offers a computer recycling service. Not affiliated except as a customer, and curious (if you already know them) whether they are good folks. If they are, they might be willing to filter out interesting stuff from their recycle stream. -- - Mark NOTE: MOBILE CONTACT NOW 2-WAY PAGER AT: 888-733-0967 office is still: 210-522-6025

20 years, 6 months

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sad ebay listing

by lee＠geekdot.com

> I'm not listing numbers so I don't get sued, but it isn't hard to find. 5863827105 .. and it would have been easier to find if your quotes had not been paraphrased. Lee.

20 years, 6 months

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pro-350 dumpster dive

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > When I was at university (both undergrad and grad student), I had > permission to 'skip dive' (same thing as dumpster diving, I guess). Over here we still have. If only there was a bit of an announcement before...would sometimes save dangerous stunts. I once dug back to the bottom of a nearly half-filled container to rescue a Sun Ultra 1 *and* had it snatched away minutes later while I was getting a cart to haul away my stuff. Bummer. > Among the things I recovered were : > > An HP2100A minicomputer with 7900 disk (that was in poor condtiion > as it landed on the front panel) and paper tape reader Broken trim and bad harddisks are alas common consequences of people treating as trash what they consider trash. Nearly made me jump down >from a 2nd floor window when I heard the racket and saw somebody hurtling a Sun IPX into that same skip so hard it broke open! I also missed several boxes of VMEbus cards that day. My best and biggest dumpster pick up to now was a Sun SPARCserver 1000. It was piled atop a fully loaded skip so I had to stand on the maybe 4" wide side rail clinging to the rim and carefully balance it on the wall so I could jump down and get it. Note on dumpsters on private property: Over here in Europe you often only have to ring the bell and ask and you get invited to help yourself to whatever you want from there - that's how it usually works for me. Cheers, -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de DSL-Aktion wegen gro?er Nachfrage bis 28.2.2006 verl?ngert: GMX DSL-Flatrate 1 Jahr kostenlos* http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl

20 years, 6 months

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Anybody have devices using RGB LEDs?

by James＠jdfogg.com

> A lawyer asked me if I had any devices made before 1997 that used RGB > LEDs. I know that RGB LEDs have been around since at least > 1991, but I > don't have anything to offer them. If you have a device > that uses a mux > and PWM with the LEDs, that would apparently please them very much. Could this be about the law suit Ford Motor Company settled with a Brazilian patent holder? It concerned the new "MyColor" color selectable instrument cluster lighting in the 2005/2006 Mustangs.

20 years, 6 months

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RS/6000 7012 Powerstation front panel question

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

On metal cased (7030 and later 7012s) RS6ks the yellow button is push-on to a switch that screws into the front panel. These are easy, just push the button off with two prodding devices (straightened paper clips, old dental picks, small cocktail umbrellas, etc.) As this is completely useless to you, I naturally put it in first. Older RS6ks are the same setup it appears, but you need to contrive a small hook (again, I commend old dental picks to your attention) that will hook under the rim about 1/2" below the surface of the button. Use two for a balanced pull. Have fun, and long live the classic 6K! P.S. - does anyone here have an idea why I.B.M. used Medeco locks on the system unit, when plenty of mischief can be made anyway? Fortunately, both mine came with keys.

20 years, 6 months

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11/74 panel

by aek＠bitsavers.org

There is a picture of one on page 46 of the RSTS Professional v4n4 (Aug 82) taken before an internal DECUS meeting. I'm pretty sure there is a plex at CHM as well. They have a collection of several dozen unusual DEC front panel plastics, including one for a 32 bit machine that looks like it would be for a 360 architecture. No one has ever been able to identify what THAT was for.

20 years, 6 months

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Multibus 1 386.387 wi 8 megs on epay.

by innfoclassics＠gmail.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8761090577 Not my sale but I thought of interest to those Multibus one collectoors / users out there. One of the last Multibus one boards.made. It is a 386 with the 387 Math coprocessor and 8 megs of ram. Looks like no eproms. The seller doesn't know what he has (there is no IDE, those are iSBX headers) and the current buyer is a multibus dealer. -- Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR USA

20 years, 6 months

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Original 11/74 front panel

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Don North wrote > So how many of these panels exist is hard to say. I know only of one. Two more can be seen at http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/1174Xopen.jpg So that makes three :-). Tim.

20 years, 6 months

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Original 11/74 front panel

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

Okay, what I immediately noticed is that these machines say "MP" and Don's panel doesn't. Were there non-multiprocessor 11/74s? If so, what would have been the benefits over 11/70s? -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa at wmata.com> >Sent: Feb 8, 2006 12:24 PM >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: Original 11/74 front panel > >Don North wrote >> So how many of these panels exist is hard to say. I know only of one. > >Two more can be seen at > > http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/1174Xopen.jpg > >So that makes three :-). > >Tim.

20 years, 6 months

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DX10 Documentation

by Kevin＠RawFedDogs.net

Does anyone know where one can find DX10 documentation in addition to what's available on BitSavers? I'm new to the DX10 world but thanks to David Pitts' sim990 simulator I've been checking out DX10. I'd especially like to have docs on DX10 COBOL, TIFORMS, and/or TPL, as those packages appear to be available for sim990 from Dave's web site. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX

20 years, 6 months

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UNIBUS transceiver was RE: have an extra M105 + M7821 unibuscard?

by cclist＠sydex.com

On 2/8/2006 at 8:31 AM vrs wrote: >> I'm just wondering about what happens when the current candidate for >> substitution also becomes unavailable... > >I do think I could make a Q-bus receiver from a linear IC, like an >"ultra-fast" comparator, pretty easily. Not being part of this discussion, I wondered why that approach hadn't been considered, given the flexibility it affords. How fast do you need the part to be? 20-25 nsec isn't considered to be "ultra fast" nowadays. Cheers, Chuck

20 years, 6 months

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have an extra M105 + M7821 unibus card?

by brad＠heeltoe.com

Turns out the RX02 emulator needs an M105 and M7821 single height UNIBUS card to work. Anyone have an extra M105 and M7821? I've never seen one of these, but that doesn't mean much. Are they common? Also, does any one have Schematics for the M105 and M7821? I looked on bitsavers and did not find anything. -brad

20 years, 6 months

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RS/6000 7012 Powerstation front panel question

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hey guys, I'm trying to build one nice 7012-370 with the help of a 320H, since the case of the 370 has several cracks in it. How do the yellow reset switches come apart from the front panel? I want to be able to thoroughly clean/scrub the panel, but really want to remove that switch first! I don't have the lock out yet, but I think once I get a decent set of snap ring pliers I'll be all set, with that. Thanks! Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

20 years, 6 months

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Looking for DEC Parts????

by trimarktc＠yahoo.com

Are you still looking for DEC Part Number 21-17311-01??? Mark Dunning __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

20 years, 6 months

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source of manuals for terminals, test equipment

by Richard.Cini＠wachovia.com

I just ordered a set of manuals from this firm the other day. $25 per manual per week (from the date of receipt) for manuals that they have only one of. I don't know what the cost to purchase one is. Very professionally run operation in my opinion. Quality of the manuals seems to vary from originals to copies (that in my case were missing pages). I got one original and one copy to work with. If you have nowhere to turn for a rare equipment manual, this place is a good option. I have no connection to them other than being a satisfied customer. Rich -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:40 AM To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: source of manuals for terminals, test equipment Stumbled across this today, maybe it will come in handy for someone: <http://www.yourmanualsource.com/> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

20 years, 6 months

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RSTS/E entry in wikipedia

by aek＠bitsavers.org

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSTS/E "Mentec would later publicly grant a no-cost license to anyone for non-commercial hobby purpose use of the operating system software developed for the PDP-11, and as the result of the release (for non-commercial use) of a PDP-11 emulator for the IBM-PC, as well as image copies of disk drives of RSTS which exist on the Internet, it is possible for a hobbyist to run RSTS/E on a personal computer in software emulation as fast or faster than it originally ran on the real hardware." It's on the web, so it must be true!

20 years, 6 months

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pro-350 dumpster dive

by jclang＠notms.net

I've been hanging around the dumpster again.... I salvaged some DEC pro-350 parts. I don't have a 350, so they are available to anyone for the shipping cost. I'm not sure if the numbers are the actual part numbers, They are whatever I could find on the boards. 5415134 winchester disk controller 5415057 rx-50 controller 5415084 memory boards 128kb (quan. 2) ( not the c-bus boards) 5015487 pc350 memory 256kb (c-bus board) 5015137 ct100 video generator 5015145 ct100 color bit map joe lang

20 years, 6 months

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Bigboard II, odd laptop

by rtellason＠blazenet.net

Anybody out there familiar with the Bigboard II? I have one, and rather like some features of the thing. One of the features in the rom code is that it'll look at the second rom socket and try some sort of weird CRC algorithm on it and if that checks out transfer control to the chip. Problem is, I don't understand the code. Also, somewhere I have this 286-based Zenith "laptop", non-functional the last time I tried it. Anybody know if there's any service info out there on this thing? I used to be a ZDS service center way back when, but we stopped doing that when they moved all of the training to Chicago and required several trips a year plus _paying_ for the training to continue with it (more than we made working on their stuff), and so I never saw any service data on that sort of thing, though I do have some on their earlier stuff, and monitors, if anybody needs some. I do remember seeing one of those in operation one time, and it had a real pretty blue-lit screen. :-) -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin

20 years, 6 months

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Original 11/74 front panel

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Damn, that's a cool find, even if it's in a box you already have! What do you think, Don, hHow many exist of this panel? - Henk, PA8PDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Don North > Sent: dinsdag 7 februari 2006 6:51 > To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Original 11/74 front panel > > Found when I was going thru a box of DEC memorabilia ... an original > 11/74 front panel (plexiglass only). You can tell it is from a 'true' > 11/74 as it has front panel positions for the commercial > instruction set microengine (CIS uADRS, CIS DECIMAL datapath, > and CIS DESCRIPTOR datapath). > > Here's a pix: http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/1174.jpg (not the best > quality, done on a scanner, not by camera). I need to figure > out a way to get the LED positions to light up. Maybe I'll > build a LED board and hook it up to my 11/34... > > No, it is not for sale. > > > > This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

20 years, 6 months

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Powering up sleeping uVAX II

by lee＠geekdot.com

>... except X1 / X2 mains filter ones, which die with alarming regularity > (and always after the system's been running for a while and you *think* > all is well!) http://www.themotionstore.com/leeedavison/6502/tangerine/goboom/index.html Indeed. Lee.

20 years, 6 months

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AT&T Safari revisited

by trixter＠oldskool.org

Here's pictures of the thing: http://photos.msn.com/Viewing/Album.aspx?PST=8nK2AN1B!1JkYezkeWQp2eofXeYxx0… Owner wants to give it to a good home and lives in Levittown, PA 19055, contact nannyshere at msn.com if you'd like to grab it. -- Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/ Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/

20 years, 7 months

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KM11 replica

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

Hi, I *finally* managed to get a board assembled and tested. All of the documentation has been written and is available as a PDF on my website. I still have to get the documentation to the printer but they should be back this week. The KM11 replica is now available for order. Please consult my website (www.shiresoft.com) for ordering instructions. As I had stated previously when I did the prototype that the design was based upon Tony Duell's design. Here's a link to the original post to classiccmp (http://archive.netbsd.se/index.php?ml=cctech&a=2004-11&t=481814). -- TTFN - Guy

20 years, 7 months

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What moves the ribbon on a Teletype 43?

by charlesmorris＠direcway.com

I just got some new ribbons for my Teletype 43 and the print was (at first) nice and dark. But it soon started to fade. I watched the ribbon while printing and it didn't move! (There are two rollers on the left side of the typing unit which allow rotation only in one direction, and the ribbon is a continuous loop reinked as it passes through its cartridge, mounted at the right side). So obviously when *something* moves the ribbon, the ratchet action on the rollers prevents it from reversing direction, so there is net motion of the loop in one direction. It looks like the ribbon is intended to move during each carriage return. But what actually moves it? I don't see any source of friction other than where the ribbon passes over the printhead which is quite smooth. There is also very little tension on the ribbon (there is a spring mechanism that holds the rollers to the left). I don't have a service manual, just the basic operator's manual, and can't find one online. thanks for any assistance. -Charles

20 years, 7 months

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Powering up sleeping uVAX II

by stimpy.u.idiot＠gmail.com

Hi List, I have here a uVAX II in a ba23 box, most likely not powered up for 2 or 3 years. The innards are clean, no nasty smells, no other trace of prior problems. Even so, to minimise the risk of damage I'm going to disconnect all the 5v & 12v leads, then attach some suitable dummy load(s), switch on and wait for smoke. Does this seem an appropriate plan? Can anyone point me to pinouts for the various supply leads from an H7864? Does anyone have any other recommendations/experience of going though this process, and is there anything I've missed that I should have included above? Cheers, Pete -- Pete Edwards "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future" - Niels Bohr

20 years, 7 months

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Can anyone help me

by Phil.Gobbett＠ntl.com

Hi, Just found your board and thought you might be able to help me. I'm currently trying to reverse engineer the code in my Ford EEC-V Engine control unit. This unit is based around the Intel 8065 Chip set and I was hoping someone on the board may be able to help me reverse engineer the software in this unit, so that I can play around with the various fuel and ignition maps and other variables in the code. If I'm really able to get to grips with the code I'd like to rewrite it to: Use a single coil per cylinder rather the wasted spark method. Use a wide band O2 sensor Gary Messick has posted on this subject on this board 4 years ago but I don't know if he is still active. Ideally I'm looking for someone who had exposure to the Ford / Intel 8061 / 8065 chip set as part of their work Here's hoping one of you is able to help me or can point me at a current email address for Gary Messick. Regards Phil The contents of this email and any attachments are sent for the personal attention of the addressee(s) only and may be confidential. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, disclosure or copying of this email and any attachments is unauthorised - please notify the sender by return and delete the message. Any representations or commitments expressed in this email are subject to contract. ntl Group Limited

20 years, 7 months

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emulator

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Although, it would be nice to find someone with an ICE for the V25, many in our group would be able to help you with as little as an oscilloscope and a simple disassembled listing from the EPROM. Using a digital oscilloscope or a logic analyzer could speed things along. There are a few members of our group in Germany that would be able to help you out. The 186 is a relatively well known processor. Dwight >From: "werner busch" <wernerbusch at t-online.de> > >Dear Sirs, > >we need Your help for analyzing a the software of a control unit. >We are a German Company and the unit is not longer supported by developer. >( company is down). > >Target is to analyze some parts of the software and make some little changes. >( change 2 parameters dirct in software). > >The cpu on control unit is a NEC V25 / V25+ (80186 derivate, 84-pin PLCC ), software is on eeprom 512 KByte. > >We want to trace the running program, analyze some parts, see registers etc. > >Is this possible with one of your systems ? > >Please tell us what we need to reach our target and what are the price for the system we need. > > >Kind Regards > >Busch-Automation >Werner Busch >

20 years, 7 months

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Original 11/74 front panel

by bqt＠update.uu.se

Don North <ak6dn at mindspring.com> wrote: > Found when I was going thru a box of DEC memorabilia ... an original > 11/74 front panel (plexiglass only). You can tell it is from a 'true' > 11/74 as it has front panel positions for the commercial instruction set > microengine (CIS uADRS, CIS DECIMAL datapath, and CIS DESCRIPTOR datapath). > > Here's a pix: http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/1174.jpg (not the best > quality, done on a scanner, not by camera). I need to figure out a way > to get the LED positions to light up. Maybe I'll build a LED board and > hook it up to my 11/34... Very nice! However, a few things I've wondered about for a long time. This is obviously a panel for a corporate cabinet. I've also seen a picture of an alleged 11/74 that was in a corporate cabinet. However, the one picture I've seen in real life (as opposed to on the internet) of an 11/74, it was in full height 19" cabinets with the traditional maroon/red color scheme. Also, I am under the impression that a CIS was never completed. That would have required the KB11-E. The only 11/74 CPU I know was done was the KB11-Cm, which is a modified KB11-C (aka 11/70). This won't allow you to add a CIS option. No place nor wiring for it. Does anyone know *for sure* that the KB11-E was made, or might this front have been a prototype for a possible KB11-E, but in reality used just with a KB11-Cm? (Oh, and for those of you who care... login to mim.update.uu.se as guest/guest, and run RMD...) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

20 years, 7 months

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Glockenspiel C++ or CFRONT sources

by RMeenaks＠olf.com

Unfortunately, not. But there is an alternative which I havent tried. If you are willing to pay $900 or so, you can pick up the cfront sources >from AT&T. Also, SUN has a GNU C++ to GNU C translator on their website which might help as well... Ram > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ian Finlay > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:35 PM > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: Glockenspiel C++ or CFRONT sources > > > Dear Ram, > > > > I saw your post: > http://classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2005-July/047615.html I also need a Cfront Translator from C++ to C (preferably for MS-DOS or Windows). Company previously used a, now deceased Apollo workstation with Domain 2.1.0. But its not working any more, so have managed to move all but the C++ to C translation onto the Microsoft development platform. If you get any feedback I would appreciate it. Sincerely Ian Finlay Wormald Technology

20 years, 7 months

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NeXTstation TurboColor find

by nospam212-cctalk＠yahoo.com

Today I received a NeXTstation TurboColor, with full doc, original boxes, NeXTstep 3.0-3.3, 17" Color Monitor, Laser Printer, Modem, set of NextWorld magazines, various books and doc and tons of software. It was shipped down from Canada and arrived in my office where a co-worker looked at it a moment, then looked at me and asked, "so when was that state of the art?" :) Now to catalog, setup and add to my site. David Williams http://www.trailingedge.com

20 years, 7 months

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Building electronic projects from 30-year-old articles (was Re: Old Computer Collecting vs Electronics Building)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 2/3/06, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote: > In article <f4eb766f0602030407o3dac064amaac33e0f6fb09e0 at mail.gmail.com>, > Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes: > > Two years ago, I built a COSMAC Elf right out of the pages of the > > 1977-1978 Popular Electronics articles, on perfboard... > > Is the Popular Electronis article scanned online? This sounds kinda > cool! And a nice way to get a little experience without damaging > anything hard to find. http://www.incolor.com/bill_r/elf/html/elf-1-33.htm I even used real HP displays (electrically identical to TIL-311s, but in a different package) and 1822 (5101) 256x4 SRAMs. If you are shooting for software compatibility without a slavish devotion to the 1976 appearance, you can use a modern 32Kx8 SRAM and even add a latch to access memory over 256 bytes (but toggling in that much data is kinda tedious). You will find it hard to locate a genuine 1861, but Spare Time Gizmos has a modern 1861 pin-compatible emulator (a shift register, a counter, and two 22V10 GALs) that fits in the socket for a real 1861. If you don't care about video, you can get a newer 1802 processor and run the entire thing at 5MHz. For those that don't know, there's a reasonably active 1802 group on Yahoo... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cosmacelf/ ... I'd recommend it if you want to play with the 1802. -ethan

20 years, 7 months

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MJD.no.bishop

by Useddec＠aol.com

Hi, I tried replying to your E-mail, and it was returned to me. I'm in Illinois, and have lots of DEC items. Feel free to send me a wish list. Thanks, Paul

20 years, 7 months

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IPC manuals?

by vp＠cs.drexel.edu

> Does anyone if the HP IPC manuals are scanned and posted online > somewhere? I THOUGHT they were but can't find them. These are the manuals available from hpmuseum.net: HPJournal1985Oct-Integral-36pages.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=457 ConnectingPeripheralsToIntegralPC-00095-90124-76pages-Nov85.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=559 UsingYourIntegralPC-00095-90123-410pages-Oct85.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=916 82904ABusExpanderForIntegralInstallationManual-82904-90006-14pages-Jun85.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=925 82920AIntegralCurrentLoopInterfaceOwnersManual-82920-90001-50pages-Nov84.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=926 Integral-SchematicsByTonyDuell-55pages.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=999 IntegralPersonalComputer_AdvanceCopy_5954-1228_4pages_Nov84.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=1437 IntegralPersonalComputer_Brochure_5954-2411_18pages_Jan85.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=1438 82919AIntegralSerialInterfaceOwnersManual-82919-90001-78pages-Aug84.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=573 IntegratingHPBASICWithMS-DOSApplications-82301-90023-133pages-Jun89.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?catfile=169 IntegratedControllerDiscUtilities_ReferenceManual_5955-4355_107pages_Dec81.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?hwfile=1150 Integral-HP-UX-TechnicalBASICReferenceManualVol1-82860-90002-456pages-Oct84.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?swfile=36 Integral-HP-UX-TechnicalBASICGettingStartedGuide-82860-90016-26pages-Nov85.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?swfile=15 Integral-HP-UXTechnicalBASICImplementationGuide-82860-90017-48pages-Nov85.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?swfile=16 Integral-HP-UX-TechnicalBASICReferenceManualVol2-82860-90003-88pages-Oct84.pdf http://hpmuseum.net/document.php?swfile=17 **vp

20 years, 7 months

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Affects of moisture (or lack thereof) on components

by wbblair3＠yahoo.com

> > Does anything bad happen to electronics that are stored in very dry > > conditions for long periods of time? Cities like this would be anything > > in Utah, Arizona, Nevada and Idaho (Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Phoenix, > > Boise, Reno, etc.). Other than ESD which has already been mentioned, if the device relies on any rubber components (like capstan rollers) the dry heat might cause them to dry rot. Same for grommets. However, the USAF seals up its old planes and stores the in "the boneyard" at Davis-Montahn AFB in Tucson, AZ, so it can't be all bad. Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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free stuff

by CaptnZilog＠aol.com

Found another box of TK50 tapes, so figured I'd ask again if anyone is interested, contact me. Also have a couple of external SCSI tk50 drives I could part with, and a VaxStation2000, with a 19" vax monitor (monitor is probably prohibitively expensive to ship, but anyone near CT who wants both, and keyboard/mouse, etc, I'd give preference to parting with both together). Also tons of 90M DAT tapes, if anyone is interested. Also for anyone near CT, I have a compaq 1600, dual 600mhz cpu's, all 5 drive trays (one 4gig drive dead, but I think I have one to replace it with), and I'll toss in a 3200-raid controller. Free to anyone who wants to pick it up, or meet someplace. I'd consider shipping it if someone wants to cover the shipping costs. And a pair of Mac IIsi's, and three MacSE/30's, all with NIC's (at least one of the SE/30's has NetBSD on it). Free, just looking to clean house (keeping my quadra 650). And anyone who might be looking for TEK service manuals, the old job was tossing several xerox-paper boxes of them out, I'll try to make a list, but if you're looking feel free to ask. Also have some plugins for the 7000 series O-scopes, probably take a few bucks for those, but I can certainly come up with a list. -- Pete

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A good BASIC version for an IMSAI

by rcini＠optonline.net

All: I'm looking for recommendations for a good version of BASIC for my restored IMSAI. It's a Z80-based machine with 48k and a serial console. Ideally I'd like it to be ROMable. I have copies of the original TinyBASIC, Lawrence Livermore BASIC, Minol TinyBASIC, Denver BASIC, and a BASIC from Dave Dunfield. I haven't slogged through the source for each yet but I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/> http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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best yardsale in a decade

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I think the corrosion is from sulfur in the foam. If so, I'd suspect it to be an acidic corrosion. After cleaning with something like vinegar, following with some baking soda might be a good idea before the final washing. This should help neutralize any remaining acid. Dwight >From: "Pete Turnbull" <pete at dunnington.plus.com> > >On Feb 6 2006, 12:33, <dogas at bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> There were a few incredible chips in pile that the foam really >screwed up... check out: >> >> http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/chips1.jpg >> >> There was a ceramic C8080A with the pins completly eaten away , a >Ceramic MOS 6532 that faired only a little better, a ceramic/traced AMI >6810, and a early plastic 6502 and 6530 among the more conventional >stuff. Any recommendations on neutralizing/cleaning the gunk of the >ceramics? > >The green icky stuff looks like verdigris. I'd just scrub it off with >a toothbrush and warm water. If that doesn't shift it, dilute acid >such as vinegar or lemon juice will, but rinse the ICs thoroughly >afterwards if you do that. > >-- >Pete Peter Turnbull > Network Manager > University of York

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Texas Instruments Portable Professional Computer

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

If W.Smith is still on this list, I'd appreciate it if he contacted me. > On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, John Clarke wrote: > > > Anyway, is there some way to find out what the value of my > Compaq is? > > Sure, I'll tell you: $5. > > :) > > Sellam Ismail Vintage > Computer Festival Nadeau's book gives a range of $20 - $75, but I wouldn't give $20 for the hardware alone. Original documentation and software, on the other hand, is likely much harder to find and would be worth some extra $$$s. It's hard to quantify value if you have all the extras, which are often almost impossible to accumulate. I think most collectors know that documentation is far more difficult to find than machines. I have an IBM 5100, which is somewhat rare, but what is really rare is the full set of documentation I have, including the original sales invoice and factory build sheet. For example, I have a Texas Instruments Portable Professional Computer (actually I have three of them) which in terms of hardware, is not worth much ($15 to $40 according to Nadeau). But, I also have virtually every piece of software and documentation that ever went with it (all in those hideous orange TI boxes), as well as a big box full of development boards of every variety that I got from a retired TI guy that worked on the project in the early 80s. I also have stacks of preliminary production documentation and schematics from the same sorce. Now that's history -- and as they say in the Master Card commercials -- "priceless." By the way, one of my three TIPPCs has an upgraded 286-10 Soyo MB and is IBM compatible (and therefore won't run the bulk of the specialize TI software). Anyone ever see one of these before? -W __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

20 years, 7 months

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Powering up sleeping uVAX II

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Pete asked: > I have here a uVAX II in a ba23 box, most likely not powered up for 2 or 3 > years. > > The innards are clean, no nasty smells, no other trace of prior problems. > Even so, to minimise the risk of damage I'm going to disconnect all the 5v & > 12v leads, then attach some suitable dummy load(s), switch on and wait for > smoke. > > Does this seem an appropriate plan? Can anyone point me to pinouts for the > various supply leads from an H7864? > Does anyone have any other recommendations/experience of going though this > process, and is there anything I've missed that I should have included > above? Just plug it in and turn it on. Unless the economics have drastically changed in the past 5 or 10 years, a uVax II in a BA23 has a street value of $50 tops. If there's any irreplacable components/assemblies/drives you may indeed want to remove them during initial testing (in any event as you reconfigure the system you certainly want to start with the simplest "has to work" configuration and then add on all the unknowns.) Ignore anyone who tells you to bring this up on a Variac. You will be increasing the chances of damage by doing so. Variac's are great for linear supplies in reforming electrolytic caps, but they only make life worse in a switching power supply because you're gonna cause all sorts of out-of-usual conditions. See, a switching power supply has negative impedance as seen >from the "in" connector: if you decrease input voltage, it will increase its current draw to keep power out constant. Outside of a reasonable range (say +/- 30%) of input voltage the flyback pulse widths etc. will be seriously out of whack too, also probably triggering a shutdown. My personal preference with linear supplies is to just plug it in and let any bad electrolytics blow up :-). The BA23's power supply (like most switching supplies) has more than adequate shutdown-on-overvoltage-out circuitry. The one thing to check: look at the 0.156" spacing harness from the PS to the backplane. Wiggle it on and off, look for charring and overheating. Some signs of past heat are likely, but if any of the contacts are burnt up you might want to look for or fabricate a different jumper. Worst case will be that you burn up the jumper, and you won't be the first to have it happen! After you get it up and going, you will probably find that the NiCads that hold the CPU configuration and run the TOY clock don't hold a charge. It's just 3 AAA's in series. It's not really necessary if you don't mind setting the clock and selecting the boot device manually at every startup. NiMH's are more available today and probably a better technical choice for replacement if you decide you need to TOY clock and config RAM. Tim.

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Road Trips

by mtapley＠swri.edu

> How many of you have done a road trip to get equipment? > - travelled 50 miles? San Antonio/Kerrville, Columbia/DC > - travelled 100 miles? San Antonio/Austin, a couple times for various > - travelled 250 miles each way? San Antonio/Houston, a couple times for Alphas, VAX VLC's, NeXTs, etc. > - travelled 500+ miles each way? > - travelled 750 miles? > - travelled 1,200+ miles each way? -- - Mark NOTE: MOBILE CONTACT NOW 2-WAY PAGER AT: 888-733-0967 office is still: 210-522-6025

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best yardsale in a decade

by pete＠dunnington.plus.com

On Feb 6 2006, 12:33, <dogas at bellsouth.net> wrote: > There were a few incredible chips in pile that the foam really screwed up... check out: > > http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/chips1.jpg > > There was a ceramic C8080A with the pins completly eaten away , a Ceramic MOS 6532 that faired only a little better, a ceramic/traced AMI 6810, and a early plastic 6502 and 6530 among the more conventional stuff. Any recommendations on neutralizing/cleaning the gunk of the ceramics? The green icky stuff looks like verdigris. I'd just scrub it off with a toothbrush and warm water. If that doesn't shift it, dilute acid such as vinegar or lemon juice will, but rinse the ICs thoroughly afterwards if you do that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Apple RGB monitor

by neil2＠localnet.com

Mike I don't suppose you atill have the AppleColor RGB Monitor. If you should or could point me in any direction it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Much!! Neil

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Telemechanics/AT&T keyboard?

by legalize＠xmission.com

Anyone ever seen one of these? The auction listing says: Telemechanics Inc., American Tleephone and Telegraph Co. Part #40K101CAD -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>

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Intel 80286 "DCU" Multibus system

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Anyone know anything about these? It's a Multibus system, with an 80286 CPU board inside, Ethernet board, ST506/412 disk controller, floppy, and 40MB hard disk. Date seems to be 1990, which seems a little late for a '286 system. Two serial ports on the back, Ethernet, Centronics, and another DB25 (serial console?). Options on the back for another 19 DB25 ports, 3 larger ports (poss. external disks?), and a DA15 (another Ethernet card I assume) No apparent model number for the whole box, but a label on the front just says: Node name: DCU-NODE ... and a network address. On the underside there's what seems to be a board/part listing: PSYP310-90C iSBC286/12 SCX110 SBX344A SBC552A SBC214 40Mb HH Winchester 360Kb HH floppy ****ESYP310BYATLP**** The CPU board has an extra 1MB memory board fitted, a daughterboard which goes to the possible-console connector, and a battery-backed clock card (luckily there's minimum damage from battery corrosion) Google seems spectacularly unhelpful. Anyone know if "DCU" is meaningful, or if there was any particular target market for these systems? (we need to do PSU checks etc. and find out if that is a serial console before seeing if it'll fire up) Given the port options on the back it was obviously designed to cater for several users - but if it was just an off the shelf UNIX/other server it seems strange that the case wasn't given any badge, overall model label etc. cheers Jules

20 years, 7 months

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Help in identifying some items

by bobalan＠sbcglobal.net

I bought a few items from the govliquidation web site that I'm looking for information on. The first is a Univac data buffer. It was designed for shipboard use and is in a very heavy case. Photos can be seen at: http://www.dvq.com select "old computers" then "misc. computer stuff" it's toward the bottom. Any idea what it was used for? The other item is a Singer magnetic disk unit. Three large photos are here: http://www.dvq.com/oldcomp/photos/singer1.JPG http://www.dvq.com/oldcomp/photos/singer2.JPG http://www.dvq.com/oldcomp/photos/singer3.JPG Does anyone know what systems/computers these were used with? I have four of them. Thanks, Bob

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