6 Feb
2006
6 Feb
'06
2:09 p.m.
Random woman emailed me that she has this thing and I don't know what to
tell her. She uses the wording "monitor" but I can't tell if it really
is a monitor or a laptop.
She wrote: "The Monitor looks like a laptop with a handle on it. Sort
of like a 60's 70's first battery operated radio. Very, very heavy. It
is flat and opens like a laptop and has a screen and keyboard. I can
send a pic to you if you like. The telephone don't go with it I figured
out. LOL someone must have just stuck it in the big case for some
reason. The booklet says it is an AT&T Color Monitor CRT 345i and it
has Safari written on the top of it."
What is this thing?
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6 Feb
6 Feb
2:32 p.m.
In article <43E7C916.4070103 at oldskool.org>,
Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> writes:
What is this thing?
Maybe an early luggable portable terminal? That might explain why the
phone was in there. Ask her if it has two cup holders :-) (i.e.
acoustic coupler).
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2:48 p.m.
On 2/6/2006 at 4:09 PM Jim Leonard wrote:
Random woman emailed me that she has this thing and I
don't know what to
tell her. She uses the wording "monitor" but I can't tell if it really
is a monitor or a laptop.
Well, the Safari was a laptop and there were several models, but I've never
heard of a 345i. Maybe a 3151? At any rate, here's a photo of one:
http://imagine41.com/catalog/images/at&tsafari3151laptop001.gif
8 Feb
8 Feb
7 p.m.
I think it is an AT&T terninal set up as a portable. The 345 series
of numbers fits their last line of serial terniminals. I bet the "i"
refers to intelligent so it has a CPU in it.(8 bit prob.)
Some of ther terminals I have seen from that era had a handle on the
top and a fold down keyboard.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
USA
On 2/6/06, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 2/6/2006 at 4:09 PM Jim Leonard wrote:
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Paxton Hoag
Astoria, OR
USA
Random woman emailed me that she has this thing
and I don't know what to
tell her. She uses the wording "monitor" but I can't tell if it really
is a monitor or a laptop.
Well, the Safari was a laptop and there were several models, but I've never
heard of a 345i. Maybe a 3151? At any rate, here's a photo of one:
http://imagine41.com/catalog/images/at&tsafari3151laptop001.gif
7:04 p.m.
In article <ded268c40602081900n11da8a5u31c9fc528f4e7c36 at mail.gmail.com>,
Paxton Hoag <innfoclassics at gmail.com> writes:
I think it is an AT&T terninal set up as a
portable. The 345 series
of numbers fits their last line of serial terniminals. I bet the "i"
refers to intelligent so it has a CPU in it.(8 bit prob.)
The entry in "Collectible Microcomputers" jibes with the picture and
describes it as a laptop running windows 3.
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7:09 p.m.
I contacted the seller. She explained that the 345 model number came from a
manual she found in the laptop bag. I asked her what the manual said on it...
she said "CRT"... LOL, she didn't realize the manual was from an entirely
unrelated ordinary computer monitor and has nothing to do with the laptop at
all. Later she mentioned a copyright reference to 1991 upon booting, but she
didn't say if it got past booting or not. Anyway, the '91 reference gives it
away: I am 99% sure it's just a not-too-interesting 386 laptop.
--- Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <ded268c40602081900n11da8a5u31c9fc528f4e7c36 at mail.gmail.com>,
Paxton Hoag <innfoclassics at gmail.com> writes:
-----------------------------------------
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Computer Collector Newsletter: http://news.computercollector.com
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/
I think it is an AT&T terninal set up as a
portable. The 345 series
of numbers fits their last line of serial terniminals. I bet the "i"
refers to intelligent so it has a CPU in it.(8 bit prob.)
The entry in "Collectible Microcomputers" jibes with the picture and
describes it as a laptop running windows 3.
--
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<http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/>
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7:45 p.m.
On 2/8/2006 at 7:09 PM Computer Collector Newsletter wrote:
I contacted the seller. She explained that the 345
model number came
from a
manual she found in the laptop bag. I asked her what the manual said on
it...
she said "CRT"... LOL, she didn't realize the manual was from an entirely
unrelated ordinary computer monitor and has nothing to do with the laptop
at
all. Later she mentioned a copyright reference to 1991 upon booting, but
she
didn't say if it got past booting or not. Anyway, the '91 reference gives
it
away: I am 99% sure it's just a not-too-interesting 386 laptop.
Probably a 486 laptop, actually. Too new to be interesting?
7:49 p.m.
>> Probably a 486 laptop, actually. Too new to
be interesting?
As far as I'm concerned, even a 286 would be "too new to be interesting"...
but
I hope nobody wants to have THAT discussion again! <Evan ducks as the rotten
fruit starts flying all around him.>
--- Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 2/8/2006 at 7:09 PM Computer Collector Newsletter wrote:
-----------------------------------------
Evan Koblentz's personal homepage: http://www.snarc.net
Computer Collector Newsletter: http://news.computercollector.com
Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists & Museum:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/
I contacted the seller. She explained that the
345 model number came
from a
manual she found in the laptop bag. I asked her what the manual said on
it...
she said "CRT"... LOL, she didn't realize the manual was from an entirely
unrelated ordinary computer monitor and has nothing to do with the laptop
at
all. Later she mentioned a copyright reference to 1991 upon booting, but
she
didn't say if it got past booting or not. Anyway, the '91 reference gives
it
away: I am 99% sure it's just a not-too-interesting 386 laptop.
Probably a 486 laptop, actually. Too new to be interesting?
9 Feb
9 Feb
4:38 a.m.
It's definitely a 386 laptop based on the Intel 386SL chipset. If it's the
same machine I'm thinking of it also has a PCMCIA slot - the company I
worked for, SystemSoft did both the BIOS firmware and PCMCIA for the
machine. The interesting thing about the machine that it seemed very rugged
to the point of being bulky, but it was designed for on the road use.
-Chandra
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Computer Collector Newsletter
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:09 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: What is an "AT&T 345i Safari"?
I contacted the seller. She explained that the 345 model number came from a
manual she found in the laptop bag. I asked her what the manual said on
it...
she said "CRT"... LOL, she didn't realize the manual was from an entirely
unrelated ordinary computer monitor and has nothing to do with the laptop at
all. Later she mentioned a copyright reference to 1991 upon booting, but
she
didn't say if it got past booting or not. Anyway, the '91 reference gives
it
away: I am 99% sure it's just a not-too-interesting 386 laptop.
--- Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <ded268c40602081900n11da8a5u31c9fc528f4e7c36 at mail.gmail.com>,
Paxton Hoag <innfoclassics at gmail.com> writes:
-----------------------------------------
Evan Koblentz's personal homepage: http://www.snarc.net
Computer Collector Newsletter: http://news.computercollector.com
Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists & Museum:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midatlanticretro/
I think it is an AT&T terninal set up as a
portable. The 345 series
of numbers fits their last line of serial terniminals. I bet the "i"
refers to intelligent so it has a CPU in it.(8 bit prob.)
The entry in "Collectible Microcomputers" jibes with the picture and
describes it as a laptop running windows 3.
--
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<http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/>
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5:23 a.m.
In article <20060209030920.10050.qmail at web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
Computer Collector Newsletter <news at computercollector.com> writes:
[...] I am 99% sure it's just a
not-too-interesting 386 laptop.
Collectible Microcomputers claims it has some interest :-)
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9:51 a.m.
Michael N. once told me that his manuscript actually included 1,200 systems
but the publisher cut it to 700.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:24 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: What is an "AT&T 345i Safari"?
In article <20060209030920.10050.qmail at web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
Computer Collector Newsletter <news at computercollector.com> writes:
[...] I am 99% sure it's just a
not-too-interesting 386 laptop.
Collectible Microcomputers claims it has some interest :-)
--
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<http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/>
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10:08 a.m.
In article <000601c62da1$875a3b60$6401a8c0 at DESKTOP>,
"'Computer Collector Newsletter'" <news at
computercollector.com> writes:
Michael N. once told me that his manuscript actually
included 1,200 systems
but the publisher cut it to 700.
I can believe that. Publishers are bastards :-).
I would rather pay a reasonable fee for an online database that
experienced continual updates. Until Michael makes something like
that, there's <http://www.old-computers.com>; I encourage people to
contribute to that site if they haven't already.
The problem is that most times when people adopt a subscriber model
for internet content their subscriber fees are so unreasonable that
they are exhorbitant. Things like online subscriptions costing more
than print subscriptions, but being bombarded with more invasive
advertising in the online version.
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10:21 a.m.
I definitely agree that www.old-computers.com is the best online resource
for microcomputer systems data. I think of that site mostly as reference
guide, almost an encyclopedia, of microcomputer history.
Lucky for me, their "magazine" page is rarely updated. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:08 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: What is an "AT&T 345i Safari"?
In article <000601c62da1$875a3b60$6401a8c0 at DESKTOP>,
"'Computer Collector Newsletter'" <news at
computercollector.com> writes:
Michael N. once told me that his manuscript actually
included 1,200
systems but the publisher cut it to 700.
I can believe that. Publishers are bastards :-).
I would rather pay a reasonable fee for an online database that experienced
continual updates. Until Michael makes something like that, there's
<http://www.old-computers.com>; I encourage people to contribute to that
site if they haven't already.
The problem is that most times when people adopt a subscriber model for
internet content their subscriber fees are so unreasonable that they are
exhorbitant. Things like online subscriptions costing more than print
subscriptions, but being bombarded with more invasive advertising in the
online version.
--
"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ:
<http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/>
Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty
<http://pilgrimage.scene.org>
4:34 p.m.
The Safari was indeed an interesting 386 system. It had a built-in messaging
system that some say is the forerunner of the Blackberry. It was also one of
the most visually pleasing systems with a sculpted look and aqua-colored
trim on a dark grey case.
If I remember correctly, it was developed out of Bell Labs in NJ. That's
where the product group was located and where I got a preview of it when I
was at BYTE. Of course, this was AT&T--cool technology, terrible marketing.
The Safari was sold for only a short time, and I doubt many survive.
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To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: What is an "AT&T 345i Safari"?
Michael N. once told me that his manuscript actually
included 1,200
systems
but the publisher cut it to 700.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:24 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: What is an "AT&T 345i Safari"?
In article <20060209030920.10050.qmail at web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
Computer Collector Newsletter <news at computercollector.com> writes:
[...] I am 99% sure it's just a
not-too-interesting 386 laptop.
Collectible Microcomputers claims it has some interest :-)
--
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<http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/>
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8 Feb
8 Feb
7:38 p.m.
Hi all,
The AT&T Safari is indeed a 386 laptop -- I used to run an early
version of Linux on one, before it died an ignoble death.
Josef
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