- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

On 14 Jun, 2006, at 05:17, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > tom: > > Can you provide a source where I can purchase 11/16 inch wide > spools of > paper (prefer yellow) for the reader mentioned above > > Thanks > > David C. Masterson Not yellow, but as you are in the states, try here: http://www.wncsupply.com/paptape.html I have a source in the UK for yellow ONE inch tape, and they can make 11/16 to order, but minimum batch is hundreds if not thousands of rolls. Roger Holmes

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Wang gear on eBay, 2200, no bids

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

There's supposedly a 2200 in there, though there's a lot of stuff I don't recognizes. Any Wang fans on the list? http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-COMPUTER-LOT-huge-heavy-WANG-PMI_W0QQitemZ17005… eBay: vintage COMPUTER LOT huge & heavy ,WANG ,PMI (item 170055531046 end time Dec-05-06 16:51:38 PST) --Bill

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library book sales

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Have y'all had much luck acquiring vintage computer books/info via > library book sales? Absolutely. Silicon Valley is one of the best places to be for this. This is where "vswmoretp" on eBay get some of their stuff. There is a whole used book buying/dealing subculture around the book sales out here. Get to know the people at your local library that handle the book sales. If you are after mags like Datamation, you may need to talk to them about saving them for you, since they probably would be recycled otherwise and not even put up for sale, since periodicals don't sell well.

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ebay dilema

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- Teo Zenios <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote: > What do you do when you buy a small lot of items, a > piece that you wanted is not included (shown in th e > picture and stated in the inventory), and the sell er > does not respond to your questions (but you paid > very little for the lot and there was a couple ext ra > things included)? What would you people do? > A similar thing happened to me a while ago. However, my situation was slightly different in that the seller apologised for losing one of the items and asked me if I was happy with the extra items he sent instead. In your case, if the seller doesn't respond I'd open up a dispute. If the seller still doesn't repond then post negative feedback. Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

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Floppy Disk Identification

by marvin＠rain.org

As a several boxes of floppy disks slipped and fell, the question occurred ... if you have a disk with only a vague idea of what computer it might go to, is there an easy way to find out what computer made it without trying it in a number of systems? Is Teledisk or Dave's program likely to be useful? And what about Apple disks? And to make it "easy", assume the disks all look like soft-sector disks.

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Lyle Bickley: Update on TSX+ ??

by ssj152＠centurytel.net

Lyle, It has been a while since you updated the Classiccmp list with the status of your project to make TSX+ available to hobbyists. Can you tell us where the project is at the present time? Regards, Stuart Johnson

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Driving 220/330 terminated loads

by melamy＠earthlink.net

the only time a totem-pole output would have an issue if it had to fight another output - one low and one high. As long as you are driving using a single output that has to deal with the resistor network, you should be just fine. The interface you are describing is basically the same as on a 8" disk drive. best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> >I was thinking of driving the lines with an LS540. which has an I(OL) >of 24 ma per output. What I was curious about was if the low-level >sink current is sufficient, will I run into problems with the totem- >pole pullup? In other words, do I really need OC drivers? > >Thanks, >Chuck >

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pointers on what tss/8 really needs to run

by brad＠heeltoe.com

First off, my apologies to the pdp-8 aficionados on the list. While I used 8's back in the day there's a lot I don't know about them. I'd like to understand *exactly* what hardware tss/8 needs to run. My understanding is that it will only run on an 8/I with the following options KT08/I timesharing option MC8/I memory option KE8/I multiply divide option I'm curious because I wrote up a simple pdp-8 verilog description which runs FOCAL and I think it would be fun to run tss/8 also. I'd like some pointers to documents which describe the options needed and details about them. Certainly all of the IF/DF extended memory is needed, since last time I ran tss/8 we had 32k. I'm guessing that this is covered in the MC8/I documents. I'm curious if the KE8/I is the same as the EAE. And I've never seen a description the KT08, all though I can guess what it does (traps any 6xxx as well as halt and switch register access at a minimum, but anything else?) Also, if there is a better list for this sort of question please let me know. I've never read alt.pdp8.whoknowswhat but maybe I should. -brad

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Printer ribbon sources

by rcini＠optonline.net

All: I just came across a Tandy printer (DMP105, 26-1276) and I'm having problems finding a ribbon for it. The OEM replacement catalog number is 26-1288 which I believe can be used on the DMP-106, too. I'm wondering if anyone has knows of a suitable replacement or a consistent source for dot matrix printer ribbons for "classic" printers. The ribbon itself looks to be in good condition so I guess I could re-ink it, in which case, what's the best ink for that? Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator Web site: <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/> http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ Web site: <http://www.altair32.com/> http://www.altair32.com/ /***************************************************/

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Driving 220/330 terminated loads

by cclist＠sydex.com

I know the "right" answer to this one--you drive 220/330 ohm terminated loads with 7438-type OC drivers. But, going a bit afield >from "correct", can one drive a single 220/330 ohm terminated load at the end of a 3m length of ribbon cable at 1 MHz using plain old totem- pole STTL output? How about an LSTTL or HCT totem-pole driver? You can assume that the receiver is a 74LS14. Thanks, Chuck

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TI CC40

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi Folks, Am I imagining things or was there a discussion very recently about Texas Instruments' little baby? Whilst browsing ebay uk last week I found one that was NIB so naturally I had to have it :) The seller works 5 minutes >from my weekend home so it was even better. Pictures will be up once I've taken them. Serial is #384 so does anyone know how many escaped from Ti Labs? Or did they use a random serial numbering scheme..... Ta, -- adrian/witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UKs biggest home computer collection?

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CoCo Videotext version

by joachim.thiemann＠gmail.com

I am not a Coco collector, but I noticed this on the local (Montreal) Craigslist, and figured it might be of interest to people here. Note, I have no connection to the seller. http://montreal.craigslist.org/sys/243510966.html Joe.

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CDC power supplies available.

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

Just wanted to check before I toss them : I have a 5V 25A and a +/- 15V 3A linear powersupply that were part of some CDC machine ( early seventies i guess ). If anyone needs them... Location : Zurich Switzerland Jos Dreesen

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Paper tape supply, was Re: paper tape for GNT 4601

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: Paper tape supply, was Re: paper tape for GNT 4601 > From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> > Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 15:54:02 -0800 (PST) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > > >Sidenote: how hard would it be to make a paper tape reader and punch from >scratch? The idea is to have a lightweight unit for playing with my >SBC6120 and perhaps Altair reissue/clone (if and when I get one). > A reader is fairly simple matter lookup the OAE [oliver audio engineering] reader design. However the punch is a mechanical project. The only kitted one was the Heath (H10 I think) punch reader and that was not very reliable or light. Allison

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Discussion of large systems

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> The whole line of > 20 years of IBM muscle computers is basically gone. The same is true > for the Burroughs and Univac machines of the same era. It is MUCH worse for Burroughs and Univac. IBM was sold in such high numbers that the probability of some surviving was higher. Both Burroughs and Univac had an active "scorched earth" policies for systems in the field to keep them out of the hands of resellers. I don't know of any Burroughs 5xxx/6xxx systems or Univac 1100's that still exist. John's Univac III is about the biggest old Univac system that I know of. There is also a disproportionate number of large scientific computers that have survived vs business systems. There much fewer in CHM's collection.

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ClassicCmp Awareness

by marvin＠rain.org

I've been selling some stuff on ebay and have found a number of people who aren't aware that this listserver exists. Basically, I'm referring them to the ClassicCmp website and they can view the archives and decide if they want to join. It was eyeopening to see that people who have a big interest in this stuff weren't aware of this listserver! I wonder if a link to the Vintage Computer Marketplace would be appropriate to put on the ClassicCmp home page?

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HP Time-Shared Basic

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

I was recenlty given a copy of the "A Quick Reference to HP Time-Shared BASIC" Printed 9/1969. It's a pamphlet-sized doc. If anyone would like a copy and it does not already exist on the Internet I will make a PDF and put it up on my web site. The system associated with the guide is the Hewlet-Packard 2000A. Bill D

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ZX-81 / TS 1000 keyboards

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

I'd like to pursue this. My partner is checking into a company he found as well. We have plenty of old keyboards which have breaks in the tracks due to age, which can be used as models. He is tearing one apart to scan in for artwork. We'll have to differentiate the reproductions from originals in some way, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. As for ZX-81 Kits, Stewart is still selling them at www.zebrasystems.com Al Phila, PA > This is very true of course...but (apparently I missed Al > Hartman's earlier message about this) I know of a company that can > make these keyboards. A few years ago, I designed a commercial > product which had a membrane keyboard. A few photos of it in > development (with those membrane keyboards) can be seen at: > > http://www.neurotica.com/albums/qyx/ > > I don't recall the name of the company that did the keyboards, but > I can dig it up from my notes if desired. They are here in Florida, > and I recall them having been highly capable and easy to work with. > We can probably make exact ZX81/TS1000 keyboard replicas through that > company. > > I sure wouldn't mind getting ahold of one or two of those ZX81 > kits. Will someone be making them available at some point? > > -Dave > > -- Dave McGuire Cape Coral, FL

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Paper tape supply, was Re: paper tape for GNT 4601

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I think that if this ever happened, an alternative might very well be > to just pool together as a bunch of hobbyists and order paper tapes > custom-made? I think paper mills have catered to smaller markets in > the past... Someone from the CHM PDP-1 restoration team contacted Western Numerical Control about having at batch of fanfold made. It was going to be on the order of several thousand dollars to have the paper maker WNC knows fire up the machine to do it. At $20/box on eBay, it may be worth doing..

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Source for Ethernet AUI/TP tranceivers?

by mbbrutman-cctalk＠brutman.com

I managed to hack a Western Digital Ethernet card onto my PCjr and I'm pretty happy about it. Using a packet driver and my own UDP implementation I can get 24KB/sec off of the machine with UDP checksums, and about 39KB/sec with UDP checksums turned off. The bad news is that I have a few more of these cards but the twisted pair connector is designed for LattisNet. LattisNet is a precursor to the standard Ethernet over twisted pair and it is supposed to be close, but my hubs aren't buying it. The cards have AUI adapters and I was lucky enough to have exactly 1 CentreCom 210 which works fine. I need more though - like about 10. They're on eBay, but buying them onesy-twosy will bankrupt me on shipping. Does anybody have a few they want to unload, or know of a good seller? Also, are all AUI/TP tranceivers equal or should I be looking for something better? Thanks, Mike

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Help installing SunOS?

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

So, I'm back to trying to get my 3/180 running again. I'm trying to boot a SunOS 4.1.1 "for Sun3" install tape that I produced from images and directions that on the sun3zoo site. When I try to boot, it seems to read from the tape OK, but then it bus errors: >b xt() Boot: xt(0,0,0) Size: 507912+123920+79144 bytes Invalid Page Bus Error: Vaddr: 0E0894E4, Paddr: 000014E4, Type 0, Read, FC 5, Size 4 at 0x0000400A. The CPU is a 3/180 with 16MB of ram, an Xylogics pertec tape controller w/ Sun badged Fujitsu M24444 tape attached, and Xylogics SMD disk controller with a Fujitsu Eagle I think (aka Sun 595-1309). Anyone have any ideas what I might be doing wrong, or perhaps a working installer on 9-track tape they could copy for me? Thanks, Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCAC --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

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Never assume anything on ePay

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

FYI: (Scuzz got a reply from the seller saying that he'd be willing to give a refund after Scuzz had returned the item) Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk Scuzz wrote: Hi Back to square one on the Acorn...Just had the Acorn arrive and the #*$! head used the original box to ship it to me... Read my email to him: The Acorn arrived today. I feel you should send me my money back. I purchased from you a computer in a box... IN A BOX. It was the box I purchased along with the computer. I was also buying the box. I wanted the BOX. You have destroyed the most important item of the purchase. If you were not prepared to ship the box as advertised then you should not have offered the BOX for sale. As a collector the BOX is the most important part. You left it exposed to be damaged, stuck labels all over it, and destroyed it with selotape. I wasn`t interested in a busted computer I wanted the box. In over 1800 purchases on Ebay I have never actually had the item being sold destroyed by the seller before. Do you understand what you did. It was like selling a rare stamp then sticking it to the envelope. I am so angry you cannot believe. Your Auction reads..` in its original box complete with mouse ` Why do you think people buy old computers... Goodness me. I`m very very unhappy. Breaks my heart. [ end post ] And so another valuable retro item is destroyed. The search goes on... ar hum. scuzz

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Paper tape supply, was Re: paper tape for GNT 4601

by kossow＠computerhistory.org

> I think that if this ever happened, an alternative might very well be to > just pool together as a bunch of hobbyists and order paper tapes > custom-made? I think paper mills have catered to smaller markets in the > past... Someone from the CHM PDP-1 restoration team contacted Western Numerical Control about having at batch of fanfold made. It was going to be on the order of several thousand dollars to have the paper maker WNC knows fire up the machine to do it. At $20/box on eBay, it may be worth doing..

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OT: Dwarf Engineer

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 12:00 -0600 12/2/06, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Okay... It's good to know you are back -- some of the most recent >deliveries of dwarfs had some samples that were out-of-tolerance. ><Grin> :-) actually, the .sig is a slam at the International Astronomical Union for demoting Pluto from "planet" to "Dwarf planet" because it "hasn't cleared its neighborhood". I'm working on a spacecraft headed for Pluto (New Horizons), so I'm peeved. ObCC: since the hardware will take more than 10 years between construction and flyby at Pluto, it'll be classic before it's ever used for its designed purpose. (Well, there is a Jupiter flyby...) This is a great opportunity to thank everyone on the classic-computer list for the accumulated wisdom I've gleaned over the years about what works and what doesn't in keeping old systems running. A lot of what I learned here went into the Longevity Plan for New Horizons. Many and diverse thanks to all! -- Mark Tapley, Dwarf Engineer (I haven't cleared my neighborhood) 210-379-4635 Dwarf Phone, 210-522-6025 Office Phone

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Is there a Prime Computer Emulator?

by Kevin＠RawFedDogs.net

Fellow Classic Computer Enthusiasts, I was rewatching "30 Years in the Tardis" last night and came across an item on the tape I had forgotten about. It's been years since I watched it, and the last time was long before I started tinkering with classic computer emulators. Anyway, while rewatching it I was thrilled to come across a commercial with the Doctor and Romana advertising a Prime computer. I found some info on the net on the Prime computer line, such as: http://www.malch.com/prime/ on the net but no mention of an emulator. I also found some manuals on BitSavers.org. Having been a Doctor Who fan for years, and with Tom Baker being my favorite Doctor, I'd love to have the opportunity to experience a computer system he endorsed. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX

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In response to overwhelming demand...

by evan＠snarc.net

Regarding my switch from an email newsletter to a weblog, there's been a tremendous about of feedback in support of the old format. Unfortunately the old format was just too much work for me to keep up with. I would keep doing it if I had unlimited time and money, but obviously no one does (except maybe Bill Gates on the money side.) The good news: I finally got an Atom feed working. The address is http://www.technologyrewind.com/atom.xml. Would those of you who prefer email updates be willing to pay a modest fee? I haven't worked out what technology I will need, but as I said before, I'd be happy to keep doing an email feed if it were easy and not terribly time-consuming. This isn't for profit, it's too avoid losing money when I'm formatting newsletter emails instead of doing real work. (This also is not any plan to contradict earlier statements about keeping the main product free -- you have my promise on that.) Of course, if someone points me to an automated blog-to-email conversion technology that is SO simple and takes no time at all, then I'll just do it without any premiums. Or maybe someone can write a cross-platform feed reader for vintage computers. :) - Evan

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New bounty on manuals ($$$)

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

I'm offering a bounty on the following manuals: Convex Architecture Reference Manual Fujitsu VP200 (any) If you have any of these manuals please contact me directly with specifics. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Cifer T-5

by stanb＠dial.pipex.com

Hi, I'm not sure if I've already asked this here, but does anyone know anything about the Cifer T-5 terminal? Mine is missing the keyboard so any info on that would help. Otherwise, assuming it's a fairly typical serial type, it will be a matter of sorting out the connections and the baud rate - not too difficult but easier if you know what it _should_ be. -- Cheers, Stan Barr stanb at dial.pipex.com The future was never like this!

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resonable config 11/34 on eBay

by aek＠bitsavers.org

280054268630 350 bin with no bids in Ontario.

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ZX-81 / TS 1000 keyboards

by charlesmorris＠hughes.net

On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:01:14 -0600 (CST), you wrote: >>> Does anyone know of a source for these keyboards, or know of a >>> company that could make them up? > This is very true of course...but (apparently I missed Al >Hartman's earlier message about this) I know of a company that can >make these keyboards. I have a ZX81 that needs a new keyboard too... the "tail" that connects to the board is trashed. Put me down to buy one if this should actually happen... thanks Charles

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UK PAL ==> US NTSC video convertor box?

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Has anyone here built a gadget to take a UK PAL RF signal as input and output a US NTSC RF signal (or output something else like composite, which can be converted fairly easily)? I suspect that a few of the US crowd own UK machines and may have needed to do this... I'm thinking that the quickest way might be to homebrew something using a scrap PC with a UK-spec TV capture card and some sort of video display card that'll output either composite or to a US TV, but even then I suspect that there are a few gotchas lurking! cheers Jules

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Nice System/36 5360 needs saving

by mross666＠hotmail.com

There's a nice, very complete, 5360 on ebay, starting at $0. Believe it's in ?Kansas?. Seller seems a good guy - hope someone saves this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130041937602 Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=…

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Discussion of large systems

by kossow＠computerhistory.org

> Aren't the 9000-series Univacs not home-grown products, but rather > the follow-on result of the RCA Spectra acquisition by Univac? That is the Univac Series 80 The 9000 series is similar but not exactly the same as S360 (a few instructions and the I/O differ). There is a complete 9400 that is trying to be brought back to life in Germany http://www.technikum29.de/en/computer/univac9400.shtm It would also be nice to know what ever happened to Bill Yakowenko's 9200 http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/univac/news.html

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Hazeltine 'computer'?

by legalize＠xmission.com

A guy on ebay is selling something that looks suspiciously like the monitor portion of a terminal, but he is calling it a Hazeltine 'computer'. I asked him if it was a terminal and he responded saying: "Its a computer, not a monitor." Either he didn't understand my question (I didn't ask if it was a monitor, I asked if it was a terminal) or he had a brain-fart and typed "monitor" instead of terminal in his reply. The item is #300053801044 and has a detail photo of the model plate where it says model 1DTD155463. On the lower left rear is what looks suspiciously like two DB-25 style connectors, presumably one for the host and one for a printer. So, did Hazeltine ever make a computer or did they only make terminals? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Williams Defender uses two 6809 CPUs - one just for sound, and one for > everything else. > > Williams Joust is more complicated and uses four > 6809s. nope.. Defender and Joust both have a 6809 and a 6808 for sound http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=598&gid=1044

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decompilation as archiving?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Maybe a better example would be something like reconstituting an > application where the owners of the property rights are defunct (dead > companies) or even the owners don't have the source anymore. Another example I can think of is where you have a piece of test equipment whose operation depends upon software for a computer that is no longer generally available. The Biomation CLAS 4000 logic analyzer, for example, is a SCSI device whose user interface runs on a 68000 Macintosh. Firmware/software for test equipment is one area in particular that points out the problem of devices becoming boat anchors because the code to control them wasn't preserved with the device. The trend in the past 10 years to produce subscription devices that depend on a host run by a company that no longer exists (Richochet, Catapult, Kerbango, ...) is another annoyance.

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(no subject)

by modi029＠terra.com.br

Hi Henry, I'm looking for Hardware documentation on rtVAX1000 and found your note on the net. Do you know where can I found such info? Kind regards, Izo Camacho.

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OT: South Pole was: Re: VCF 9 (Jay West) & (Jules Richardson)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 22:18 -0600 11/15/06, Sridhar wrote: >90 degrees south always points to the South Pole. It doesn't always >point to the same place, though. The precession of the Earth's >rotational axis causes the location of all coordinates on the Earth's >surface to shift by a small amount all the time. It's most easily >noticed at the poles. Barring smaller corrections of much shorter >period and magnitude, the Earth's axial precession occurs on a period of >about 26,000 years. All true, but partially unconnected and somewhat oversimplified. Earth's angular momentum vector precesses about the normal to the ecliptic (the plane of Earth's orbit) in a cone with half-angle 23.5 (or so) degrees and with a period of 26,000 years. This is directly driven by the lunar and solar tidal torque on the equatorial bulge of the Earth, which is in turn caused by the Earth's rotation. For a rigid body, this could happen without any change in the location of the "pole" as seen on the surface of the body. Independent of that (or of any external torque), the point at which the Earth's angular velocity (not momentum) vector intersects the surface, which is the instantaneous pole, wanders around on the surface. This is due to several things. One is the fact that the angular momentum and angular velocity may not be perfectly aligned. (Even a rigid body will do this if it is not spun along either its major or minor principle axis of inertia. This is the "polhode" motion of a freely rotating body as seen from the body.) Another is the fact that the Earth is continually rearranging its mass distribution by rainfall, earthquakes, ice-sheet melting, etc. etc., thus moving its principle axes of inertia around and causing the first condition to apply. (These mass redistributions are in turn driven primarily by the effects of incoming solar radiation, but this is an indirect effect of the sun on the system.) Another cause is due to the fact that the "solid" Earth is really a composite system, with many different solid and liquid components, many of which may be rotating with respect to one another and causing various interactions. I think I will stop there, acknowledging that I'm still oversimplifying. I will however add that I at one point in the early 1980's wrote a program in Fortran on a PDP-11 to display the current and predicted (by the IERS) Earth instantaneous pole coordinates on a Tektronix 4025 graphics terminal, erasing and re-drawing the predicted pole with every new update of the current pole. It was interesting to see how consistently off the predictions were. Sorry for the delayed-gratification nature of this post; I'm just getting back from 2 weeks' vacation. -- Mark Tapley, Dwarf Engineer (I haven't cleared my neighborhood) 210-379-4635 Dwarf Phone, 210-522-6025 Office Phone

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multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

someone set me strait if Im way off - is an emulator, like MAME in essence a parser essentially? I bet theres probably more to it then that though... --- cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org <mbbrutman-cctalk at brutman.com> wrote: > > On the old standup arcade games multiple CPUs are common. > > Williams Defender uses two 6809 CPUs - one just for sound, and one for > everything else. > > Williams Joust is more complicated and uses four 6809s. > > > > Mike > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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Corporate genealogy?

by legalize＠xmission.com

Has anyone attempted to make a "big picture" view of the vendor landscape by creating a chart showing spin-offs and acquisitions of various vendors? I find this information sprinkled throughout Wikipedia, but no attempt at creating a "big picture" view. Has anyone done such a thing? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> wrote: > arcarlini at iee.org wrote: > >>> How about the Sega MegaDrive/Genesis? That ran a > 68000 and Z80. > > There have been many multi-cpu consoles; the Sega > Saturn had two Hitachi > RISC CPUs for core processing, plus a host of othe r > stuff for CDROM, > display, sound... The PlayStation 2 is also > dual-CPU. The PlayStation 3 > is a Cell monster, 7 cores you can play with, wrong!!! Some places state 9, but the last *official* CPU diagram I saw has 8 cores. One main core (slightly larger than the others) and 7 co-cores. (Does that make sense?) > although I think that's > been discussed here already by Mr. Brutman. > > My favorite was the Atari Jaguar, which had no les s > than: > > - a 32-bit RISC GPU > - a 64-bit RISC "object processor" > - a 64-bit RISC blitter > - a 64-bit general purpose DSP for audio and other > functions > - a 68000 for general-purpose helper functions > > And to shuffle memory around, a 64-bit DRAM > controller. > > The Atari Jaguar *should* have been the most > kick-ass console of its > generation (the blitter in particular was certainl y > the most powerful of > all the 5th-generation consoles). But it was so > complex that nobody > could figure out how to program it properly. > Coupled with legendary > Atari marketing fumbles, it died a quick death > before a suitable "killer > app" could be developed for it. > > Most coders unfamiliar with the system would treat > the Jaguar as a > 68000-based machine with a giant framebuffer, like > an Atari ST on > steroids. This was clearly not the best use of th e > machine. The Atari Jaguar is basically a Super Spectrum (SS). No I'm not kidding (surely someone here can back me up?). There is a page on the web somewhere explaining how the guys that were designing the SS ended up working for Atari. The SS evolved into the Atari Jaguar. Also, with the CD unit fitted into the Jaguar cartridge slot (so it could play Jaguar CD games - of which there must be about 6!) that add's yet another processor or two possibly. Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

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Disk image conversions?

by rcini＠optonline.net

All: Here's an interesting one. I have several disk images for the Tandy 2000 that had been made with TeleDisk. One of the images is bad for some reason (must be truncated; won't get past track 30; complains that target disk drive is not ready when it reaches T30). The original disk is not available. I've done the basic troubleshooting on the drive and media (other images made with same new floppy diskette and drive work fine; swapped drive and media) to eliminate them from the failure tree. Even though TeleDisk seems to write to track 30 just fine, the disk is unusable. This is odd because it's an MS-DOS format (although 80T 9S) so all of the directory and media parameter info is at the front of the disk rather than the back. Is there anything I can do with this partial disk image to retrieve at least some of the info? Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator Web site: <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/> http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ Web site: http://www.altair32.com/ /***************************************************/

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Gentle Cleaners Used on Old Computers

by wizard＠voyager.net

Hey, all, I put together this list from the "Green Goo" thread. If anyone has more good information about various cleaners, or procurement information about ones listed, I would appreciate hearing about it, and I'll update the list. It could be handy -- maybe even a FAQ answer. Sincerely, Warren Wolfe ********************************************************** Gentle Cleaners Used on Old Computers. Caig DeOxIt - Remove oxidation from electronics, and clean - http://www.tubesandmore.com/ Caig ProGold - Seal and lube circuit card edge fingers, etc. - Radio Shack 64.4338 http://www.tubesandmore.com/ GooGone - Cleans off old adhesive residue. Mr. Clean - Cleans stains, discoloration, and magic marker from painted metal. Magic Eraser Afta - Cleans glues and residues - Home Depot CaiLube MCL - Cleans and lubes potentiometers, especially. - http://store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.183/.f

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OFFICIAL VCF EAST 4.0 date(s)

by evan＠snarc.net

This just in: we picked Saturday, June 9, and (probably) Sunday, June 10 as well. Hopefully we will determine the need for a second day soon. Someone, somewhere, will probably have a graduation-related conflict. To that person(s), I apologize, but we did our best. East 3.0 was awesome, but I gaurantee that East 4.0 will kick 3's ass!! - Evan

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Does this qualify as vintage computer?

by irisworld＠mac.com

Kind of neat: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15984363/ Rob Robert Borsuk irisworld at mac.com -- (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.

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Atom Toolkit. Was: rogues galleries

by fjkraan＠xs4all.nl

Gordon JC Pearce wrote: > No, but it does have an EPROM in the extension socket labelled "TOOLKIT > ROM #A000" or something similar. I've never quite figured that one out. > > Maybee this Atom toolkit: http://www.xs4all.nl/~fjkraan/comp/atom/toolkit.txt Fred Jan

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New Cipher 525 tape drive on ePay

by cclist＠sydex.com

Probably one of the first "floppy tapes". Item 320056306946. Cheers, Chuck

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decompilation as archiving?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> But if I wanted to study RT-11 in > detail, hand disassembling it would be a major undertaking. Actually, a bad example, since sources are available. This is a worthwhile effort, but very time consuming. The DMCA also is an issue.

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decompilation as archiving?

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Richard wrote: > Has anyone considered decompilation (producing sources from binaries) > as a way of archiving system or application software that is defunct? > > I know lots of people have disassembled ROM listings and created > commented ASM listings from the ROM, but what about larger systems > where hand-disassembly is impractical? Hand-disassembly is just the start. Vast machineries of automated disassembly/decompilation is used throughout the world in piracy and reverse-engineering activities. These sorts of tools have been in existence for at least 30 years, very likely 40 or 50 years. Related to these machinations are other tools used in reverse-engineering, including emulators, simulators, in-circuit emulators, logic analyzers, etc. All of these tools are also used in retro-computing as defined by many different groups: video gamers, emulation of historically important systems by academics, and everything in between. But what you describe goes way beyond simple archiving, and more into the tools that let you analyze and appreciate the code. If you can combine the code with the original designers, original users, original business documents, etc., then you are really on the road to a complete recreation of not only the code, but the world at the time. As a classic example, 25 years ago you could buy a tool that disassembled your CP/M binaries and turned them into *commented* sources. Not the original source, of course! Tim.

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decompilation as archiving?

by legalize＠xmission.com

Has anyone considered decompilation (producing sources from binaries) as a way of archiving system or application software that is defunct? I know lots of people have disassembled ROM listings and created commented ASM listings from the ROM, but what about larger systems where hand-disassembly is impractical? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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Documentation

by dm561＠torfree.net

My recent post re BBM manuals has left me with a bit of a dilemma; I've got several more boxes of various manuals etc. to dispose of and I'm not sure what's the best way. On the one hand, it benefits everyone to have them in Al's hands, who has the means, time and willingness (thanks, Al) to make them available to us all. On the other hand, anyone who actually owns the relevant equipment would probably like to have original documentation. When I put them up on the list, I'm inevitably going to disappoint someone; should I just offer it privately to Al and rely on him, or? Comments? mike

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HP 9000s, Canon Cat, felines, etc. was Re: rogues galleries

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

you can do very well copying manuals and such with a mini digital cam, if its allowed. Id loan you mine if interested, no problem. --- cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org <dkelvey at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > ---snip--- > > > > > A Cat is a machine I would also like, but I am not > > > going to find one at a > > > price I can afford... > > > > Mine...$20 US. Plus shipping. Hope is not lost... > > > > Hi > I've been having fun hacking my Cat ( Canon ). It was intended > to be only an appliance machine but one can program with it as well. > There is a page on the web that says one can just use the word > "see" to decompile words but he must have had a disk that someone > typed that definition in with. > I've been slowly hacking how to decompile and I've made good > progress. Still, there is so much to dig into. My main reason is > to make a printer driver for my HP 3si. > I was just doing some searches on Jef Raskin and the Cat and found > that the Standford Library has manuals on the Forth in the Cat. > Too bad I can't just photo copy them. I do plan on taking a > day off soon and sit in their viewing room with a lot of note paper. > They also have a lot of information from Jef's records on the Mac > and Apple in general. Jef was an interesting fellow. > The Cat is one of my favorite machines. > Dwight > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, > age, and price. Try it! > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&t… > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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Tentative early news of VCF East 4.0 date(s)

by jtp＠chinalake.com

Is not May 12-13 Mother's day (13th) weekend in the US? That might be more dangerous than Father's Day weekend. Cheers, Jim

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OT: Recent issues of Make Magazine?

by evan＠snarc.net

Anybody have recent issues of Make? Somebody told me tonight that I'm quoted, two or three issues ago, but I have no idea what that's about .... So naturally I am feeling curious! Would appreciate if someone could look. Thanks! - Evan (Koblentz)

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rogues galleries

by lee＠geekdot.com

> You know, I have a feeling that you can get 7805 regulators that'll > handle 2A each uA78S05 as used in the later Vic 20 PSU. http://members.lycos.co.uk/leeedavison/6502/vic20/psufix/index.html Lee.

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WTB: DEC H9275-A Qbus backplanes

by useddec＠gmail.com

Looking for several backplanes. If you have any you want to sell or trade please contact me off list. Thanks Paul

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cloning CDs with errors?

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Random thought of the day.... I've seen a few CDs around where the manufacturer has deliberately included errors on the disc to make piracy more difficult - which is a noble enough thing to do, but a bit of a pain in the butt when you want to make a legitimate backup copy of a disc :-( Has anyone come across tools (Linux preferred, but I could stomach Windows if I had to!) which can duplicate such discs and produce errors in the output at the same block as the input? (I assume any software on such deliberately-crippled media would check for the presence of known errors at install / run time) cheers Jules

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Still seeing IBM 5140 manual

by evan＠snarc.net

Anybody? Bueller...? I really need the 5140 instruction manual(s).

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Acorn Electron on ePay...cheap

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

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IBM PC bios source available

by nfk＠zjtcm.net

Hi ,would u send me the IBM PC bios source? best regards, NFK

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Suppose I wanted to make a TTL terminal replica kit...

by legalize＠xmission.com

How hard would it be? I imagine that finding TTL parts isn't so bad, but what about appropriate era keyboards and CRTs? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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New data on the Antikythera device

by evan＠snarc.net

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/11/30/astronomy.calculator.reut/index.htm l

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Siemens-Nixdorf RM400-10

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Doc Shipley <doc at mdrconsult.com> wrote: > roosmcd at dds.nl wrote: > > Citeren Doc Shipley <doc at mdrconsult.com>: > >> I have one. I'd like to find hardware docs for it. SINIX/Reliant > >> UNIX install media would be heavenly. > > > > I still have a RM-200c, should start that up sometime :). But I have > > two sets of installation media, 5.43 and 5.45 IIRC. Please let me > > know if you haven't been able to find it otherwise and I'll see what > > I can do. > > So far, you're the only other person I've found that ever heard of > these things. > Mine seems to have an intact SINIX install on it, but it looks like I > need boot media to get root. > I'd also like to know a couple of other things, like what EISA and > ISA adapters are supported, how a mouse attaches, since it has a > single PS/2 port, and if a CD-ROM is supported, what models work. Any > help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. > > Doc Manuals for Siemens RM-Series unix based servers (most even available in English) can be found here: http://manuals.fujitsu-siemens.com/softbooks/unix/us/rmop.htm Had to dig up that resource mere weeks ago because the university collection received a Siemens RM600 E. I'm eager to get some hands-on experience but alas that thing is far back on our priority list... HTH, -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal f?r Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer

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Tentative early news of VCF East 4.0 date(s)

by evan＠snarc.net

Mothers Day ..... how did I not realize that???? That leaves June 2/3 and 9/10. If we choose 9/10 then we give people a weekend off after Memorial Day. But would there be more conflicts with graduations (on either of the June weekends) than with the Dayton event? I know all about the "you can't please everyone all the time" rule but we're still trying.

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Wozniak book signing book report

by richard.cini＠wachovia.com

All: For those who might not have been aware, Steve Wozniak was in New York last night for a book signing at a Barnes & Noble. I attended this signing and I thought I'd provide a book report of sorts for those who haven't yet been (the last one was in Philadelphia about a month ago). I arrived not knowing what to expect and there were only about 25 people in the gallery at 5:30 (the presentation began at 7pm). This event was competing with the Christmas tree lighting at Rockefeller Center, so I figured, hey, it shouldn't be too crowded. Yeah, right. While I was waiting, I grabbed a copy of iWoz and began reading. My report on the book itself is at the end. There were about 150 seats and by 7pm, 175 people were there. I'd say about 80/20 male/female ratio, from a 9 year old girl with a cello strapped to her back to about 55. Ethnically, it was a pretty diverse crowd. Steve arrived on-time and after a short intro, began his speech. I don't think he stopped to breathe. He spoke constantly for 45 minutes. In spite of his stated shyness, he was a very gracious and engaging speaker. You can tell that his mind is running far ahead of his mouth. Yet, in his speech, you can hear a boyish quality that conveys such excitement about computers and amazement as how he, as the "other Steve" with the engineering brains, created the first color personal computer that could be connected to the TV, and, by his accounts, lit the rocket on the nascent personal computing industry (I think he actually said something like "how we started the industry"). I bet that if the guy from Barnes & Noble didn't keep him to a clock, he would have told stories until closing at 10pm. I spent only a few minutes with Woz. He signed my Woz book, an original instruction manual from my Apple II (which he pawed over, not having seen one in years), and we talked momentarily about my Altair Emulator project. There were people there who brought old computers for him to sign (which he did). Most people just had their books signed. Now, onto the book itself. While I was waiting for the presentation to start, I began reading around the middle of the book and in an hour and 20 minutes time, read almost 100 pages. The book is an easy read and is in a conversational style that after hearing Woz speak, one can easily see how the book was created...he told the stories and Gina Smith, the co-author, wrote them down, preserving his familiar, conversational style. This isn't fine literature, and Steve readily admitted that he's not much of an author. But, if you think of it more as you and Steve sitting at a bar talking about old times, you will enjoy it. Since I began in the middle at a random spot, I didn't read about Steve's early years. He did allude to his childhood in his presentation, and this is where most people will discover the "I didn't know that." facts about Woz. I picked-up the story around the time of Steve creating the Breakout game for Atari. The back-half of the book is filled with common Woz stories about Breakout, the 500 machine purchase from The Byte Shop, his drive for elegance in design (and reduced parts count), and hacking a Shugart floppy drive to make a very elegant floppy controller system. There were some brief mentions of fights with Jobs, like over the number of slots to put in the Apple ][ and the failure of the Apple ///, but any disagreements with the other Steve were treated gingerly. I'm sure there are kernels of rare or never-heard Woz stories in there, but in the pages I read, I didn't really see any. Rich

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AT&T 5620 (was Re: AT&T 730 MGT graphic terminals)

by djg＠pdp8.net

>Speaking of 5620s... I've got a bunch of the terminals, but only one >keyboard for the bunch. > I have one terminal missing the red mouse. If anybody has a spare I am looking for one for sale/trade. Couldn't find a good picture, the best is on this page obscured by the hand. http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/ms/departments/sia/video-library/dyndisp85.html

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multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- arcarlini at iee.org wrote: > > Amstrad produced a 386 PC with a built-in Megadriv e. > So that's three. > Four if you count the keyboard :-) > > Antonio > They did?! I don't suppose you know of any pics online somewhere? Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

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multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- Adrian Burgess <classiccmp at discordance.org.uk> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 09:22:02AM -0500, Bryan Po pe > wrote: > > > > Speaking of game consoles, there are also quite a > few arcade boards > > that use multiple CPUs. > > > > As far as games consoles with multiple CPUs the Se ga > Saturn has quite a few - > 2xHitachi SH2, 1xHitachi SH1 (CD controller), > 1x68000 (sound controller), > and a couple of DSPs (no idea how accessible to th e > developer these are) - > this ended up in the arcades as the Sega ST-V boar d. > SH1 was the CD controller? I thought it handled the sprites? The SH2's handled the polygon output (250,000 each) of 500,000 polygons per second. The board was nicknamed the "Titan" board and was still used well into the late 90's despite being superceded graphically by all of Sega's Model 1 & 2 boards (and Model 3 board in 1998/9). However, due to it's mastery of 2D and 3D it was used on many arcade games (sorry, can't name any now, been too long since I last spoke about this board). Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

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DECstations and Sun 3's Available

by sethm＠loomcom.com

Hey everyone, I've been in touch with someone on the East Coast (of the U.S.) who has about ten DECstation 3100s, a few DECstation 5000/200s, and some Sun 3/50s and 3/60s available for the cost of shipping. He just doesn't want them to end up in a landfill. I've snagged two DECstation 3100s and two DECstation 5000s, but that's about all I can do right now. If anyone is interested in any of the remaining stuff, please contact me off-list and I will forward your contact information to him. -Seth

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Need Help With a 11/44

by g-wright＠att.net

I finally got my 11/44 going and in the process of getting it to boot >from the tu58 port. It does boot from the TA80 drives. The switch options of coarse are many so I need to know what its trying to tell me. If I do a " B DD it comes back with "console 177777707 sp 173416" . the Tu58 software does see the machine being turned off or on. I have check the cabling (lines 2 and 3) and most of the switch positions. thanks, Jerry Jerry Wright JLC inc

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Tentative early news of VCF East 4.0 date(s)

by Watzman＠neo.rr.com

Re: "This isn't official yet, but we're aiming for Saturday, May 19 next year. We might add Sunday, May 20 as well" Bad dates. You are selecting the same weekend as the Dayton Hamfest. Not a good move.

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rogues galleries

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

supported by what? Curious if it uses the same 6845 as in the pc version. Not common in the US, but MSX units are all graphical, and likely better supported ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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rogues galleries

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

is the Tele TS- the unit with the symbiotic monitor? Theres a cp/m and a DOS version. Im partial to 1 of them. --- cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org <legalize at xmission.com> wrote: > OK, my rogues gallery list: > > Minis: > PDP-11/03, dual RL01s > VAXserver 4000/300, 3 DSSI disks, TK70, CMD SCSI > > Workstations: > (4) Diser 'Eve' (upgraded Lilith) workstations > Evans & Sutherland ESV/50, fully loaded > SGI Indigo^2 R10000 Max. Impact > Sun 3/110 > Sun SPARCstation 5 > > PCs: > Commodore CBM 8032 w/8050 disk drive > Kaypro 4 > Televideo TS-803 CP/M PC (B&W graphics) > > Peripherals: > AT&T Pixel Machine, fully loaded (w/Sun interface) > Evans & Sutherland Advanced Rendering System > Evans & Sutherland Freedom 1000 graphics accelerator > Evans & Sutherland Freedom 3000 graphics accelerator > Fujitsu M2444 9-track tape drive > HP1351A graphics generator > Megatek digitizing tablet > Megatek valuator (dials box) > (2) Evans & Sutherland remote data concentrators > Tektronix video hardcopy > Xylogics Annex terminal server > > Serial terminals: > LA-120 printing terminal > VT-100 CRT terminal > Heath/Zenith Z-19 CRT terminal > HP2397A color graphics terminal base > HP2621A CRT terminal > HP2621P CRT terminal w/thermal printer > (2) HP2648A B&W CRT graphics terminal > Honeywell VIP7809 CRT terminal w/military shipping carrier > IBM 3180 CRT terminal > Lear-Siegler ADM-3A CRT terminal > (2) Lear-Siegler ADM-5 CRT terminal > (2) Megatek Whizzard 1645 CRT graphics terminal, 1 sans monitor > Tektronix 4010 storage tube graphics terminal > Tektronix 4014 storage tube graphics terminal > (3) Tektronix 4105A CRT color graphics terminal > (6) Tektronix 9200T CRT color graphics terminal > (8) Tektronix 9201T CRT color graphics terminal > Televideo 925 CRT terminal > (2) Televideo Personal Terminal CRT terminal > Teletype Model 43 printing terminal > Texas Instruments Silent 700 Model 707 printing terminal > Texas Instruments Silent 700 Model 745 printing terminal > Westinghouse W1643 party line CRT terminal > > X terminals: > (4) NCD 16P2 > NCD Xplora 401 > (2) Tektronix XP217C > -- > "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download > <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> > > Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries

by dm561＠torfree.net

Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:35:42 -0600 From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries --------------------Original Message: <snip> >Ahh, I was originally asking after systems with different CPUs though, not >several of the same type - mainly to rule out lots of posts about parallel >machines (as I was curious as to how many manufacturers managed to make a go >of selling 'average' systems with a mixture of CPU types - parallel machines >tend to be in a different league) --------- Cromemco DPU? Z80 and 68000 on one S-100 card; add an IOP Serial I/O card, and you've got another Z80... mike

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Siemens-Nixdorf RM400-10

by roosmcd＠dds.nl

Citeren Doc Shipley <doc at mdrconsult.com>: > I have one. I'd like to find hardware docs for it. SINIX/Reliant > UNIX install media would be heavenly. I still have a RM-200c, should start that up sometime :). But I have two sets of installation media, 5.43 and 5.45 IIRC. Please let me know if you haven't been able to find it otherwise and I'll see what I can do. greetings, Michiel

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multiple cpu machines

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

What about an IBM XT with a Big Blue CP/M Card, AND a Trackstar 128 AND a Hydra (MacPlus) board? Wouldn't that give you 4 processors in one machine? One could also run an Amiga with an 8088 Bridge board for dual processors. Or, an Apple IIe, IIgs with a Transwarp card for two processors? Three if it has a Microsoft Softcard... Which makes me think of the Zip Chip and Rocket Chip for the Apple IIe/IIgs series. Did these chips also work in the C64 and other 6502 machines? I remember working with them, but don't have one for either of my IIgs machines... I *DO* have an Orange PC card that will turn a PCI Mac into a PC. But, I don't have the required cable or software for it. So, it's merely a curiosity at this time. That would make a Mac a Dual Processor machine, wouldn't it?

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AT&T 730 MGT graphic terminals

by ken＠seefried.com

From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> > Anyone know anything about these? Google for AT&T 5620 and/or AT&T BLIT. The 730 is a descendant. > Apparently they could be used as X terminals and they are essentially > diskless workstations with a 68000 inside. They can be regular dumb terminals or "layers" terminals, which is a really rather interesting, pre-XTerminal remote windowing system worked on by, among other luminaries, Rob Pike. As I recall, they came out with an X cartridge for the 730 since layers never caught on. I only saw NCR rebadged X Terminals during my time at AT&T, so I assume the X cartridge didn't catch on either, even internally. > Any AT&T 3B2 owners out there have one of these in a working state? Don't think many of them ever made it out of AT&T...at least I've never seen one in the wild.

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rogues / Rare european machines

by ken＠seefried.com

From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com> > So I'm guessing that the hardware is pretty much a > straight clone. Apparently not, at least for some of the Eastern Bloc clones; see http://hampage.hu/tpa/e_index.html. For the Hungarian machines, cards were definitely physically different, I'm betting things like power supplies are local creations and anything using LSI (F-11 clones, for example) were undoubtedly somewhat original due to differences in the manufacturing processes the Soviets had access to (and DEC never made anything that looked like a K1801VM1). Very faithful clones as far as the software was concerned, though.

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Intel Magnetics BPK-72 Bubble memory Prototype Kit

by schultz＠impulse.net.au

Hello, This may be of interest: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140058022601 regards Rob

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multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries

by ken＠seefried.com

If you can find a Hauppauge 4860, you get an i486 and an i860. Toss in a DAC960E EISA Raid controller and you get an i960. And an NE3200 EISA network card, and get an i80186. Add a National Instruments AT-DSP2200 EISA data acquisition card, and you get an AT&T DSP32C. Add a A Hercules Graphics Station card and get a ti34010. Add an Opus card or two and get more (mc88100? SPARC?). That's 8 processors, 6 of which are directly available for fiddling. I've had, at one time or another, all these cards, but since I never put them together, I guess I don't win.

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Test - do not read

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

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NEC uPD 780c-1

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

Can this chip, said to be compatible with the Z80, be replaced by one altogether? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

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Hey, a new Altair kit ??

by evan＠snarc.net

http://www.altairkit.com/ Looks quite different from other modern Altair things.

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Various problems

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > > At 4:27 PM -0600 11/25/06, > aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > > > >Just came across this page (well, someone > > >posted it to another email group) and thought > > >some of you might like to take a look at it. > > > > > > > > >http://www.science.uva.nl/museum/rampspoed.html > > > > > > > > >Among the usual rubber turning to liquid/sticky > > Interestingly, it shows a Vesatec V80. Exactly the > same thing has > happened to the platten roller in my V80 :-(, so > sometime I am going to > have to work out how to repair that,,, > oh dear :( > > >stuff are dirty keyboards (under the keys), > > Is this a real problem? I generally pull all the > keycaps (and clean those > with Maplin foam cleaner), then if possible take t he > rest of the keyboard > apart and clean all the bits spearately. Yes, it's > time-consuming (takes > an afternoon to do a keyboard), but it doesn't > involve making/obtaining > special parts, etc. How easy is it to take the plastic (?) keys off of a keyboard without damaging either the keys or the contacts underneath? I assume, if they are taken off without damage to them, they would simple clip back on? I have never taken a keyboard apart yet, and will no doubt need to someday. I probably won't bother until a keyboard, or keys, starts failing. Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

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Good home required for a set of HP 9000 model 375 manuals.

by andy.piercy＠gmail.com

If anyone would like a full set of HP 9000 manuals please contact this guy off list as they are heading for the skip! He has just posted to the UK a full set of Masscomp manuals so he is very helpful, he is located in the USA in Kingstowne VA. "I just wish I could find as good a home for our set of HP 9000 model 375 manuals. There was a guy in France, but he cannot afford the postage. Now even the janitorial staff won't take them out for me; the pile just sits there with the "Trash--please remove" sign on top. :-(" Please reply off list to: "Newquist, Jonathan D" <NewquistJ at state.gov>

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Siemens-Nixdorf RM400-10

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I have one. I'd like to find hardware docs for it. SINIX/Reliant UNIX install media would be heavenly. Doc

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When 4mm Drives Eat Tapes

by rdd＠rddavis.org

While attempting to restore some files from a 4mm tape, using an HP SureStore Tape 2000 drive, something happened to me for the first time: the drive made a strange moaning sound then stopped reading the tape. Not only did the drive stop reading the tape, but it had begun eating the tape as well, nearly chewing all the way through it on one spot. I'm guessing that this is a problem which, if not affecting others yet, will soon start affecting others who are relying upon such drives for backing up and restoring critical data. Fortunately, I'd recently switched to using DLT IV drives for backups, but a few files that I wanted to restore were still on other tapes. Does anyone know where rubber parts for these drives, like rollers, can can be purchased, so that others with these drives can replace them and avoid what I experienced? I should have realized that something was about to go wrong with internal parts as well when one of the drive's rubber feet began to stick to the metal chassis it was resting upon. -- R. D. Davis 410-744-4900 Beware & halt the National Animal ID System (NAIS)! www.rddavis.org http://nonais.org http://www.libertyark.org www.danglingspiders.com http://www.rddavis.org/equitation/freedom-vs-id.html Dangling Spiders Electronic Music Studio http://www.stopanimalid.org

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differential SCSI conversion

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

I've been poking around inside my HP9000/C180 machine (1x SE Fast-10 narrow SCSI, 1x FWD integrated, 1x FWD GSC card). I am aware that this machine is still slightly stretching ontopic, but the diff part is definitely ontopic. Currently, it has 1x4GB and 1x2GB, which leaves little free space with a very off-topic OS (HP-UX 11.11) diff SCSI drives, while technically superior to SE, are difficult to find, so I'm looking at alternates. Looking at the machine, the SCSI busses appear to have a standard SCSI chip feeding into differential drivers. Is it possible to gracefully remove the diff drivers and convert it to single-ended operation?

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differential SCSI conversion

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

Quoth Zane: >Have you thought about getting converter boards to convert SE drives >to HVD? Yes, they made such things. Are HVD drives really that hard >to get? I've got a DEC DWZZB converter, but that requires messing with the StorageWorks shelf and cables to trip over and set up every time I use the machine. I also have a pile of SE drives, including 1 9GB. Diffs seem to be most common in the 4G and under range, and all bays are full. It also seemed like a reasonable way to make an old machine more useable without spending money, pulling a couple of driver chips and putting in jumpers- but perhaps not. Maybe NFS is a better answer.

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NEC uPD 780c-1

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: NEC uPD 780c-1 > From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:47:26 +0000 (GMT) > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > >> >> Can this chip, said to be compatible with the Z80, be >> replaced by one altogether? > >I beelive so. When I built a homebrew computer <mumble> years ago, I used >am NEC D780C. It was supplied when I ordered a Z80, I never found any >incompatibilities. > >-tony Guarenteed to be fully compatable. Allison

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When 4mm Drives Eat Tapes

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I'm guessing that this is a problem which, if not affecting others > yet, will soon start affecting others who are relying upon such drives > for backing up and restoring critical data. Decomposing rubber components has been a problem for digital tape transports for at least a decade or more now. I know of no vendor who supplies replacements for the dozens of different QIC transports, for example. Crisis Computer used to fix HP transports, but they do not sell parts, only expensive refurbed complete units. This should be a business opportunity for someone, but I don't know of anyone who is selling replacement rubber parts for digital transports. Anyone who has historically significant data on tape should get it OFF of that media as quickly as possible and onto something that is more easy to migrate in the future.

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Tentative early news of VCF East 4.0 date(s)

by evan＠snarc.net

Hi all, This isn't official yet, but we're aiming for Saturday, May 19 next year. We might add Sunday, May 20 as well, but that won't be decided anytime soon. Location is the same as East 3.0 was this year: the InfoAge Science Center (infoage.org) in Wall Township, N.J. We considered having the East event on the same weekend as VCF Europa, and having inter-VCF things such as IRC terminals and videocasts, but unfortunately it didn't work out because of some other BIG news that I can't announce right now but might within a couple of weeks. :-) - Evan

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sanyo lat-200a

by fa475919＠skynet.be

Hmm, there are indeed some smaller components I hadn't noticed that might indeed be memory, Some smaller unbranded 2x HC240's, 4x HC74's and some rather large ones : Malaysia 8835/ HM6264ALFP-12T. I'm still not sure I'm following, whilst you are probably giving me usefull information. My knowledge on the pure details of a harddisk are fairly limited. I know how it mechanically works, but how the data is carried is another thing. What does this mean: "From the OMTI chips you mention, I am now almost certain that's a raw interface, possibly simular to ST412." Could I use the 50 pins connection from the motherboard to the board for any other purpose ? Is any 26 pin HD in 3,5 inch available? What are my options? The original 26pin harddrive is dead, the step-motor to rotate the hard discs is fried. (Btw, the original HD takes its power from the datastrip). Thanx & Greetz Stijn

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DEC 1140 etc BA11F expansion box

by useddec＠gmail.com

I have someone looking for up to 4 BA11F expansion boxes with or without cabinets or power supplies. If you have any please contact me off list. Thanks Paul

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V80, was Various problems

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

On 27 Nov, 2006, at 12:06, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > Interestingly, it shows a Vesatec V80. Exactly the same thing has > happened to the platten roller in my V80 :-(, so sometime I am > going to > have to work out how to repair that,,, Would it be possible to extract the roller and clean it, then use multiple layers of inner tube to make it up to the right thickness? Use an adhesive to stick the layers together and to the metal roller otherwise they will work themselves up toward one end. Inner tubes are available in a wide range of sizes from bicycles, trade bikes (mountain these days?), motorcycles, cars, lorries and tractors and they can be stretched a lot. Roger.

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Hewlett Packard 9000 PC 305

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

Found it. Yes Tony was right. http://hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=218 Funny that HP came out with an 80286 PC compatible before their 8086 based PC. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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HP 9000s, Canon Cat, felines, etc. was Re: rogues galleries

by walkerpa＠ihug.co.nz

> > I was cleaning out the shed, and found this HP box I > > brought home for no particular good reason. It says - > > HP 9000 PC305, or very nearly. Is this along the line > > of what you're talking about? Most of the guts are > > Not really. That sounds like a somewhat interesting PC clone -- I assume > the expansion bus is ISA > According to the HP9000 Series 300 Technical Data booklet (Feb 88, 5951-6785, from www.hpmuseum.net), at that time HP had two Vectra models in the Series 300 lineup: * PC-305, HP Vectra CS PC (8086) * PC-308, HP Vectra ES/12 PC (80286) Each contained the HP BASIC Language Processor board with a Motorola 68000 at 8MHz, 512 K RAM (expandable), BASIC 5.0 in ROM (or Pascal 3.2 on floppy), and HP-IB & DIO interfaces. The museum has more info on these and other Vectras. Regards, Peter

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TUK50 print set

by dundas＠caltech.edu

Does anyone have the TUK50 (M7547) maintenance print set or a scan? Not the TK50 drive print set, the real Unibus interface for the TK50. I'd like to get a copy. Thanks, John

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AT&T 730 MGT graphic terminals

by legalize＠xmission.com

Anyone know anything about these? Apparently they could be used as X terminals and they are essentially diskless workstations with a 68000 inside. There is some stuff in Richard Shuford's usenet post terminal archives, but not much else I've seen around. Any AT&T 3B2 owners out there have one of these in a working state? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

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wtd - HP wrist instrument lol and Omnibook

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

Yeah right on the first one. The Omnibooks look so cool though. Ping me. Who think Carly Fiorina must have been real hot when she was younger? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com

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