Zane H. Healy wrote: There are converters, of which I have some that will convert SE to HVD, or whatever you want to say. The system won't boot off of anything but the wide HVD in any of those boxes, at least from what my HP buddy says. I have some boxes with 2 or 4gb of memory, that I hope to convert to something else. The converters show up from time to time on ebay, and about any wide to wide will work. HVD never got into the really exotic transfer rates, so pretty dumb SE wide drives will work as far as the HVD is concerned. I don't know if there are any capacity caps, howver, in HPUX that those drives might run afoul of. email me off list if you need more. I have a friend who can help. I also have archived the "final" free distro that HP mailed out, and I want to make it work on as many of my boxes as I can before putting them in storage, and keep one nice machine out for utility work. Jim

Doc Shipley wrote: The install CD drive is on the SE chain, and there can be SE drives for storage on there. You just cant get HPUX to boot from there. I don't have my 180 up, it is still fresh from the swap meet, but we bought 4 others in the C line and none will boot from SE. You can init drives on the SE narrow chain (I forgot to mention that the SE chain on the ones I have seen are narrow) and put data there, in fact several we had had 4 drives, 2 wide diff drives, and two se drives. for the most part we got them because the wide boot drives had died, and 1/2 high wide diff drives are rare. So we ended up with 1 good boot per guy with a system. We also messed with D and H systems, which don't have the problem of only doing diff boot, as they are larger server systems with controller boards, etc. It may be that the smaller C systems have more stuff integrated that they did that. Anyway as I said I have only sampled maybe 6 Cxxx systems, YMMV Jim