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A large qty of these are available to me, new.
Any takers?
Where do you want to be on price?
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
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I have 17 pcs of these NEW, available to me.
Any takers out there?
If so, where do you want to be on price?
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
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Here is a first draft. Anything wrong/missing architecturally?
Ethernet Bus Interface Board
2013-12-21 aek
+--------------+
| 4Mx16 BBSRAM |
+------+ | AS6C1616 |
| | +------+-------+
LEDs - + ARM | |
SD -- + uCtl | JTAG +------+-------+
USB -- + +-----------+ | -> Simulated Peripheral Registers
ENET - + +-----------+ FPGA | Bus Monitor / Adr Mapper
SER?-- | | ARM intf | | Bus Master Controler
+------+ +------+-------+
|
+------+-------+
| |
| 5v<->3.3v |
| Bus Buffers |
+--------------+
The entire address space of the host is maintained in the SRAM
ARM performs DMA by placing the data to be transfered where it
will appear on the host. If the local memory is the system memory,
we're done, just clean up the DMA registers. If not the FPGA does DMA
to synchronize local memory with core. 3 cycle data break side effects
will have to be investigated. Does any driver watch the value of ADR,WC
in memory while a DMA is occurring?
Bus transactions are snooped to maintain consistency on the PDP-8
where some core memory is on the Omnibus. This may work OK on small
11's, too but won't be the right thing to do on an 11/70 where
memory transactions occur that are invisible to the Unibus.
It should be possible to simulate all the front panel functions of
an Omnibus machine and to capture all of the state in real time for
all of the major registers from watching Omnibus transactions.
It is also possible to adapt the board to be a dedicated bus analyzer or
soft front panel or peripheral/ memory exerciser for any supported bus
architecture.
All registers and supported peripherals are obviously soft. The configuration
is stored on the SD, along with the FPGA bitstream. Everything should be
reconfigurable through transactions across the Ethernet by updating files on
the SD card.
Battery-backed SRAM was chosen over FRAM because of cost.
I'm not sure if a local serial interface would be that useful other than
for debugging messages.
There are a small number of LEDs hung off of a STP08DP05
Small local SPI NOVRAM for configuration/bitstream storage? SD hot-swap?
Larger local storage? Is performance an issue on Omnibus/Qbus/Unibus CPUs?
They are slow enough busses that they'll saturate in the couple MB/sec range.
Write-through track caching in SRAM?
Block mode on QBus
.. and on and on
Ethernet Peripheral Controller
This is the mirror of the Bus Interface Board. It provides block-level data
that the Bus Interface sends into the computer. In its simplest form, there
is no hardware at all, it is just a simulation running on a computer on the
network. The second simplest is hardware that understands the Ethernet
peripheral command protocol but has a simple enough interface to the physical
device that no FPGA is required. It may also not need any local storage. The
most complicated could look like the Bus Interface Board, with local SRAM and
FPGA. A Diskferret-like forensic disk interface would be an example of this.
I'm looking for a BC80J-20 cable... that's the one that goes from the
RL controller card to the first drive, with a 40 pin header on one end
and that big quick-release connector on the other end.
(I am tired of failures and damage to the rigged ribbon cable/IDC
header I've been using, and now that I'm chasing a fault in my two-
RL02 system, I can't swap drives without taking the cover off to get
to the header connectors inside).
thanks
Charles
Ask and you shall receive..
4 BNC to PC VGA, new, qty 4, approx 4 feet long, $15 each
3 BNC to PC VGA, used, qty 1, approx 3 feet long, $10
5 BNC to PC VGA, used, qty 1, approx 5 feet long, $15
4 BNC to 15-pin Rasterops PN 9000-0059, new but dusty, $15 (will not work on
PC, wrong end)
4 BNC to 15-pin Rasterops PN 9000-0001, new, $15 (will not work on PC, wrong
end)
Shipping $6 for the 1st cable, and $3 each additional cable ground in US.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
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As I don't have a logic analyser to help me with my analysis of the MFM
interface, can anyone tell me how the MicroVAX 2000 determines disk size? I
know it is related to the number of heads, but what does the drive do when
the host asks for a head that does not exist? How does it report this back?
The only thing I can think of is the Ready signal, could that be it?
Regards
Rob
From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
> So, an ad-hominem attack is your idea of a balanced reply, is it?
Can't attack the message, attack the messenger. Good to see my assessment
was spot on.
KJ
> I'm just wondering if anyone knows what a typical value for a single unit
> with nothing fancy is? I note a recent auction had two of them together
for
> $1400 - Am I correct to imply from that that the value of an individual
unit
> is probably less than $700 (that set was unique due to the systems being
> linked and that control box they had, I think).
A working, complete, 1975-6 SWTPc with top and bezel, original backplane,
original CPU and RAM with an MP-S card is worth $1000+. That would be the
bare minimum system. $700 is too low for a working system. The newer 6809
SWTPc's would be worth less, maybe you can get one of these for $700.
Bill
I've seen a couple of vague references to 3rd party memory cards for the
VAX 11/730, equivalent to the M8750, that used denser DRAM chips in order
to use less power. Unfortunately, my google-fu has turned up nothing.
Does anyone know who made these cards and what part number they would be
(assuming they exist at all)?
KJ
Hi all,
I think I'm not getting it. I have a BA23 with a 11/83 and a RQDX3. I have
set the IDs on the RD54s (XT2190s) to ID 0 (pin 1 and C) and ID 1 (pin 2
and C) but yet ZRQCH0 or RT-11 does not seem to find the second disk, which
should be DU1, right?
Am I missing something here?
regards,
reiche
Has anyone archived the DEC InfoServer 100 firmware anywhere?
I see that CHM has one,
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102682746
Is the InfoServer 100 motherboard identical to that of the MicroVAX
3100 Model 20, except for the firmware? From information I've found on
the net that appears that it might be the case but I haven't found a
definitive answer on that.
I have a MicroVAX 3100 Model 20 that isn't too interesting and it
might be more interesting if it could be converted to an InfoServer
100 with a firmware swap.
-Glen
>
> Subject: Re: DEC InfoServer 100 Firmware archived anywhere?
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone archived the DEC InfoServer 100 firmware anywhere?
>
I have V3.5a.
--
Michael Thompson
On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> From: Brad Parker <brad at heeltoe.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Need DEC BC80J-20 cable
> Message-ID: <52C6D5C1.3080207 at heeltoe.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 12/15/13, 10:48 PM, Charles wrote:
>> I'm looking for a BC80J-20 cable... that's the one that goes from the
>> RL controller card to the first drive, with a 40 pin header on one
>> end
>> and that big quick-release connector on the other end.
>>
>> (I am tired of failures and damage to the rigged ribbon cable/IDC
>> header I've been using, and now that I'm chasing a fault in my
>> two-RL02 system, I can't swap drives without taking the cover off to
>> get to the header connectors inside).
>>
> I think I'm looking for one of these as well. Or maybe someone here
> can
> point me to what I really want :-)
>
> I have an RL02 driver and an RL02 controller, but I seem to have
> lost/misplaced the "cabinet kit". I could swear I had one at one
> point.
>
> So, the RL02 drive has a terminator and a nice long round cable which
> seems to have a 2x.1" header. But I believe I need the cable part
> which
> is normally install on the cpu cabinet. My guess is it would cable a
> shielded ribbon cable with a connector for the board header and the
> other end would have a metal bracket and something to mate with the
> nice
> round cable...
>
> Is this even close?
>
> -brad
The BC80J-20 has the 40-pin header on one end and enough flat ribbon
cable to make it out the back of the chassis... I have never seen a
"real" one but I believe it has some kind of transition to the round
cable (which then has the quick-disconnect on the other end)?
BTW, Continental Computers answered my quote request with they can
"let it go for $145"... that's about four times what I expected to pay
for one!
-Charles
Hey guys,
I am keeping an eye out for an SWTPC 6800 system. I was hoping for one with
the SWTPC black case. I thought that'd be nice to go with the CT-1024
terminal I have (if I get it working). Have developed a bit of a
fascination with SWTPC lately.
I'm just wondering if anyone knows what a typical value for a single unit
with nothing fancy is? I note a recent auction had two of them together for
$1400 - Am I correct to imply from that that the value of an individual unit
is probably less than $700 (that set was unique due to the systems being
linked and that control box they had, I think).
I keep seeing this one popping up on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWTPC-6800-in-custom-case-with-PLEXIGLASS-Cover-Rare
-/151200879158?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWTPC-6800-in-custom-case-with-PLEXIGLASS-Cover-Rar
e-/151200879158?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item2334465236>
&hash=item2334465236
But it's got a custom case, and looking at the written dates on the ROMs
appears to be later than what I believe was the 6800's heyday (mid to late
70s?). Did SWTPC sell 6800s as parts like that, or is this something
someone cobbled together?
Brad
Does anyone have any information about these HP hard drives?
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/xovh6yyel6zhzil/B4UelO3lhK
Model 97500-85620.
They have a 40 pin connector on them, but no power input. Doing a search
shoes a mix of companies describing these as either HPIB or IDE. I
believe HPIB is probably the case, but I can't find any documentation for
the drives to be 100% sure. I would love to find a manual/spec sheet for
the drives.
Thanks!
Garrett Meiers
Founder, BitHistory.org &
President, ConsulNIX, LLC
www.BitHistory.orgwww.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
Hello all,
how to connect a HP 9000/300 with RGB BNC video out to a modern LCD monitor, which has only a D-Sub VGA video connector.
Can I simply use a classic BNC to VGA cable just reverse connected?
Since from 2015 on there will be no new monitor supporting VGA singnals anymore what we have to do to connect our old workstations?
Andreas
Hi!
It's mandatory to connect the printer?
Trying to access the internal drives leads in 013 error (Device not
attached), both for D80 and D40.
I've not opened it yet.
The drives spin, I can hear the noise inserting a disk.
Thanks!
I've been looking at the various means if creating a disk from image.. but given the hardware required and rigging it all up.. I'd rather just obtain a copy somewhere i think.
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> </div><div>Date:01/03/2014 4:29 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: Intel MDS 225 system being auctioned by Chicago Transit Authority </div><div>
</div>On 01/03/2014 02:19 PM, Dave Mabry wrote:
> If an MDS225 was "upgraded" with the double density boardset and the
> internal cable, that turns the internal drive into a double density only
> drive.
>
> I've seen several that were upgraded that way.
Yeah, I remember both the DD and SD versions of the board set--and I
remember how hot the channel board ran.? One of the first questions I
asked on the VCF posting was whether or not the OP had the DD board
set--kind of hard to miss.? He reported that he did not, so he's running
off the 8271 built-in controller.
If he was using the DD board set, that would create an interesting
issue, as it uses MMFM, not MFM for encoding.? Not something easily done
on a PC.
Fortunately, it's clear that plain old SSSD disks will work just
fine--and he can probably use a PC to write the images to disk.
--Chuck
Hi! Good news! The S-100 buffered prototyping board PCBs have arrived!
Here is your chance to build your own S-100 board project!
Here is more information on the S-100 buffered prototyping board. These
boards have been respun and contain some minor improvements from previous
versions.
http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/Prototype%20Board/Prototype
%20Board.htm
The PCBs will be $20 each as per the usual arrangement. Shipping in the US
is $3 for a single PCB and $2 for each additional PCB. Shipping
internationally is $12.75 for a single PCB and $3 for each additional PCB.
This is for the bare basics USPS first class postage with no tracking or
insurance. The builder assumes all risk of delivery as per usual
arrangement.
My preference is to sell these PCBs to vintage computer/home brew
computer/classic computer hobbyists first but if there are any remaining
boards I will put them on eBay.
Please send a PayPal to LYNCHAJ at YAHOO.COM with the subject "S-100 buffered
prototyping board" and I will send your board(s). There are several PCBs
left.
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
I just bought one of those off ebay for $50. ?Shipping was a killer though. ?Very nice machine. ? Just wish I had a boot disk for it.
Brad
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> </div><div>Date:01/02/2014 1:46 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: Intel MDS 225 system being auctioned by Chicago Transit Authority </div><div>
</div>On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Colin Howell <colin.d.howell at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Chicago Transit Authority is auctioning off a whole load of
> miscellaneous stuff (including a couple of rail cars!). One of the items
> being auctioned is what appears to be an Intel MDS 225 "Blue Box" (4 MHz
> 8085A system) complete with an MDS 720 disk expansion unit and some sort of
> Control Data hard disk.
>
> The specific lot is here:
>
> http://ricklevin.nextlot.com/public/lot/15005194?section=photos
Despite being local *and* placing a low bid on the lot, I completely
dropped the ball (mouse?) and forgot about the closing.
Did anyone here end up with this fine blue machine?
Hey everyone,
I'm a fairly middle-weight collector based in Squamish, BC. I have about 70
machines total, a few of which are projects that I'm seeking advice/help on.
One of them is an SWTPC TVT-II CT-1024 terminal. I bought it a couple of
months ago, complete on ebay. I've tried to read as much documentation on
these as I can find, but there are a few things I can't figure out.
I've posted a few videos of it -- including this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2rX10-m8GQ
Initially when I turned it on, I got just garbled screen. The first monitor
I attempted to hook up to was my Apple III, which apparently can't handle it
at all. Then I went to my Commodore 1702 and 1084, and I can adjust things
enough to make out a picture and characters, but it's repeated several
times, as you can see in the video. On the first few powerups I'd see the
occasional flickering of a full field of questionmarks, but it wouldn't
stay. I learned about the voltage trimmer on the PSU and have trimmed it to
5V exactly, and now when I turn the unit on, the field of question marks
comes up and stays. There is a switch I've discovered (none of them are
labelled) that causes that field to disappear. I think this puts the unit
into terminal mode. The keyboard is connected to the serial card (I think
there is a connector on the motherboard where it could go also if you didn't
have that). I also played with some trimmers on the motherboard that adjust
horizontal position and so on.
Anyway, what you see in the videos up to the most recent one is the most I
can make it do. It doesn't seem to respond to keystrokes, and the
documentation I have is limited or a bit over my head. Mainly I'd like to
figure out why the screen is so messed up.
Much appreciated if there are any of you out there familiar with these old
timers and would have an idea where to begin looking.
Brad
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
> I'm just getting started in DEC stuff in general and RL02 drives in particular. I'm
> putting together a PDP-11/44 system, and I hope to try running both RT11 and
> BSD on it.
The 11/44 has split I&D so you can go with 2.9BSD or 2.11BSD.
Generally speaking,
you'd probably want to go with 2.11BSD because you can.
> Would a two-drive system be sufficient, or would I need more storage space?
> I have four RL02 drives in unknown condition, but I was only planning to rack
> up two of them with the PDP-11/44 and a Kennedy 9610 9-track tape drive.
My experience is that I was able to fit the base install on the first RL02 pack,
but there wasn't room to pull the sources and rebuild the kernel without more
storage. Even so, 20MB total was kinda tight, maybe too tight. Back when
this hardware was current, it was IIRC easy to plunk 2BSD onto one or two
RK07s (28MB each). When I started playing with simh 15+ years ago, it was
easier to define an RP03 and install into one big 60MB pot (which is how I
helped find a simh bug long ago). You can give it a try now with simh by
practicing with a couple of 10MB image files and the 2BSD distro tape images.
It's an authentic experience in terms of the approach you'd have to take
and the commands you'd have to type (without bad blocks and tape errors
to pull you astray). If it fits on 2x RL02 in simh, it'll be the same on real
hardware. That reminds me - you have to have error-free packs. DEC used
to sell RL02-EF packs for use with UNIX (RT-11 can mark bad spots
on the disk and if they aren't in the first tracks or if there aren't too many,
you can mark those sectors allocated and work around them. Not so with
BSD).
For RT-11, even a single RL02 is plenty of space. I used develop applications
on an 11/23 and an RL01 was enough for the OS and all my code.
> My PDP-11/44 pile came with an RL11 board and the cable from it to the
> first RL02 drive. It doesn't have a bulkhead fitting; it just goes from
> the controller directly to the connector that plugs into the back of an
> RL02 drive. I haven't looked at the cable carefully yet, but I can
> examine, measure and photograph it if that would be helpful to anybody
> else in this thread.
The bulkhead bracket was convenient but not essential. To get out of the
CPU cabinet, you almost certainly have a flat 40-pin cable, then the
transition connector, then probably the usual drive-to-drive round cable,
but just laying in a line, not bolted to your rack. It will work just fine but
there's a risk of kinking or pinching cables if you move the drives around
a lot (the bracket has a spot to screw down a tab on the shield of the
round cable as a strain relief with either a 6-32 or 4-40 machine screw).
I know I have at least 1-2 bad cables from excessive flex/pinching (I've
thought about cutting them at the point of physical damage and trying
to make one or two of them into a BC80M cable since I have the right
crimper for those Berg pins).
> BTW, I am looking for drive ID lenses for my RL02 drives. I need a "1" and
> a "2", and I could either buy them outright or trade "0" lenses for them. My
> RL02 pile came with three "0" lenses and a "3".
My recollection is that it was common to have 1-2 drives, but not 3-4 (for
reasons of cost), and as systems were consolidated, there were more "0"
plugs than the others combined.
I've thought about molding replacements or even 3D printing them (they'd
be suitably light-transmissive if made from natural ABS or especially natural
or clear PLA) but I haven't tried making an STL of them. There'd be a risk
of the fingers snapping off and getting stuck in the switch mechanism, but
I think an ABS drive plug that was subjected to the acetone vapor treatment
would firm up nicely and be resistant to the layers separating.
Anyone care to make up an engineering drawing of the plug with tolerances
in the 0.1mm range?
-ethan
I recently bought a lovely PDP11/45 in a H960 rack, with the CPU, a Unibus
Expansion box and an RK05 drive. I am guessing the whole thing must weigh at
least 100Kg, possibly 150Kg or even more (my worst case estimate is 200Kg).
I am concerned whether the floor of the upstairs room where I now have it
can bear the weight. I have placed it right next to a load bearing wall to
ease the strain on the joists. Can anyone tell me what sort of weight a
normal UK upstairs floor can bear? If my guessed weight is anything close to
the limit I will weigh parts of the machine to get a more accurate idea of
the actual weight.
Thanks
Rob
You'll need a Sync On Green to VGA converter to separate the sync signals.
-Rik
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: "Andreas Holz" <aswood at t-online.de>
Verzonden: ?4-?1-?2014 09:24
Aan: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Onderwerp: BNC Video out and LCD monitor with VGA D-Sub video in
Hello all,
how to connect a HP 9000/300 with RGB BNC video out to a modern LCD monitor, which has only a D-Sub VGA video connector.
Can I simply use a classic BNC to VGA cable just reverse connected?
Since from 2015 on there will be no new monitor supporting VGA singnals anymore what we have to do to connect our old workstations?
Andreas
I purchased a VAX 4000-500 last month and am pretty excited. I've only
owned MicroVAX'es in the past, and this is the first larger VAX I've had..
Although, it's more of a medium-sized VAX. :)
?Came with an Infoserver 100, and a R400X? Expander with three drives. I
haven't fired it up yet, but was told it all works.
I have the DSSI cables, and need to do a little reading before I connect
these up, and fire it up. Any pointers for working with this setup -- in
particular DSSI and the Expander, would be appreciated.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/4ziahrtsp5lw57l/fy1lCpcoar#/
?Thanks,
Garrett Meiers
Founder, BitHistory.org &
President, ConsulNIX, LLC
www.BitHistory.orgwww.linkedin.com/in/theunixguy
On Jan 3, 2014, at 5:18 PM, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Need DEC BC80J-20 cable
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
>>> BTW, Continental Computers answered my quote request with they can
>>> "let it
>>> go for $145"... that's about four times what I expected to pay for
>>> one!
>>
>> The BC80M listed for 57.50 should work fine.
>
> That one looks to be 6' (BC80M06) which is the only length I've seen
> in person. They also have a BC80M25 for three times as much.
>
>> You'll probably have to fiddle with the big drain cable on the
>> controller end.
>
> I remember that big fat braid. ISTR it was not easy to find a
> convenient place to bolt that down on a BA23.
>
> -ethan
I am sure I can find a place to fasten it, even if I have to modify
the braid (or the chassis) slightly...
Anyway I was thinking of just bending over and paying the $57.50.
Until I got to "standard 9-13 day shipping $15.00" and it goes up from
there. Postage rates have really gotten ridiculous and the companies
(except McMaster-Carr who are quite reasonable for shipping) are
adding on their profit too.
Perhaps I can locate some surplus multiple twisted pair cable and
carefully solder the ends to a header connector. There are 13(?)
twisted pair differential signals and the rest are no-connects or
grounds. As Henk pointed out, some of the trouble may be the 6' of
unshielded ribbon cable (which is also smaller gauge than the twisted
pairs)...
-Charles
I have come across a strange problem with my MicroVAX 2000. If the hard disk
is not plugged in I get absolutely nothing on the console, as if the machine
was dead.
I have perused the technical documentation and I cannot find anything that
describes this behaviour. Does anyone know why it might do this and which
signal(s) prevent the console coming up?
I need this to be able to do some initial testing of a basic emulation of
the RD5x disks with an FPGA.
Thanks
Rob
One other project I'm having some difficulties with is a Commodore PET 2001
that I've had for 10 years. In that time, turning it on only ever produced
a 'blank' raster screen, as in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Rkwu858zA
For years I assumed the computer was basically dead and kept it on static
display. But just recently I acquired a good working 2001-16, and
discovered that I could use its monitor with the 2001-8. I discovered the
standard garbage screen, and after acquiring a whole bunch of rare NOS
6540s, and some 6550 RAMs, was able to get the 2001-8's motherboard fully
functional. The screen however remains the same. I have connected it to
the other working PET to no avail. I have even used the working PET's own
cabling. So my problem is basically the video board. I've fixed the
brightness control but that's as far as I've dared go given the voltages
involved with a CRT. Wondering if anyone has any other ideas on where my
problem could be.
Thanks!!
Brad
On this e-mail list, plus another one that I belong to (on a totally different server as far as I know), I've started to received multiple copies of the Digest. Up to four copies of each digest are being sent. Same on the other e-mail list I belong to.
List owner - was a recent upgrade to the Mailman software put on your server just a few days ago? It seems coincidental that both list, both using Mailman software, are suddenly behaving this way.
Kevin Anderson, Dubuque, Iowa
Subject:
Re: Need DEC BC80J-20 cable
From:
Brad Parker <brad at heeltoe.com>
Date:
Fri, 03 Jan 2014 10:22:41 -0500
I think I'm looking for one of these as well. Or maybe someone here
can point me to what I really want :-)
I have an RL02 driver and an RL02 controller, but I seem to have
lost/misplaced the "cabinet kit". I could swear I had one at one point.
So, the RL02 drive has a terminator and a nice long round cable
which seems to have a 2x.1" header. But I believe I need the cable
part which is normally install on the cpu cabinet. My guess is it
would cable a shielded ribbon cable with a connector for the board
header and the other end would have a metal bracket and something to
mate with the nice round cable...
Is this even close?
-brad
Brad,
From the controller, there's a shielded flat ribbon cable with a Berg
on either end.
Next is a Berg->RL02 cable adapter which can mount in a distribution
panel. Not sure what the RL02 connector is, but it's the same as is on
back of the RL02.
Next, is the nice round RL02 cable with the special twist-lock
connectors on either end.
Last, of course, is the RL02 with two connectors, one having a
terminator if end of chain.
- John S.
From: "Robert Jarratt"<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Keeping a Heavy Machine on a Domestic Suspended Floor (UK)
Message-ID:<068e01cf07f6$bde4ee40$39aecac0$(a)ntlworld.com>
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I recently bought a lovely PDP11/45 in a H960 rack, with the CPU, a Unibus
Expansion box and an RK05 drive. I am guessing the whole thing must weigh at
least 100Kg, possibly 150Kg or even more (my worst case estimate is 200Kg).
I am concerned whether the floor of the upstairs room where I now have it
can bear the weight. I have placed it right next to a load bearing wall to
ease the strain on the joists. Can anyone tell me what sort of weight a
normal UK upstairs floor can bear? If my guessed weight is anything close to
the limit I will weigh parts of the machine to get a more accurate idea of
the actual weight.
Really, compare it to a piano! Even an upright piano weighs
more
than 200 Kg. I seriously doubt you have any danger. You
can probably
get the true weight from installation docs on bitsavers. It
is possible
it weighs more than 200 Kg, but still less than some really
heavy
furniture or a grand piano.
Jon
Congrats, a nice find!
You should post some pictures.
-Rik
PS. Gelukkig 2014.
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Verzonden: ?2-?1-?2014 23:24
Aan: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Onderwerp: 2014 started off well here..
The local craigslist equivalent yielded a tiny advert "Imsai 8080 computer from 1977".
price : 110 USD, negotiable....
The picture was a tiny B/W jpg lifted from the internet, and did not look too promising.
The actual hardware ?
An absolutely mint, as-new, IMSAI 8080...
>from the orignal owner....
with full documtation, including original invoice...
in the original IMSAI cardbox !
Also MPU-A and MIO cards..
24 Kbytes of 2102 SRAM..
all ICs socketed..
with papertape software....
handpulled papertape reader...
Needless to say no further price negotiations took place.
About the only minus is the MDC-A4 floppy controller, which requires more difficult to find hardsectored disks.
( Original diskdrive and disks were scrapped a long time ago )
I will also need to find some extra s100 connectors to complete the backplane.
it seems the '2014 project is defined !
Jos
(I'm not subscribed to the list, but I'm passing this along because I
thought it would be of interest to list members.)
The Chicago Transit Authority is auctioning off a whole load of
miscellaneous stuff (including a couple of rail cars!). One of the items
being auctioned is what appears to be an Intel MDS 225 "Blue Box" (4 MHz
8085A system) complete with an MDS 720 disk expansion unit and some sort of
Control Data hard disk.
The specific lot is here:
http://ricklevin.nextlot.com/public/lot/15005194?section=photos
No idea whether any of the hardware is functional.
Bids for the whole lot currently stand at $60. Auction for this lot ends
December 18th (Wednesday), 11:10 AM local time (Central Standard Time).
More info on the auction can be found via the link above.
General news story on the auction:
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20131212/downtown/cta-selling-bus-signs-trai…
Colin Howell
>
>Subject: VT-180 (Robin) EPROM images?
> From: "Robert Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com>
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:23:04 -0800
> To: <cctech at classiccmp.org>
>
> Does anybody have images of the v2.1 Z-80 firmware for the VT-180 (aka
>Robin) ? At least, I think 2.1 was the last version ever released. They
>should be DEC part numbers 23-017E3-00 and 23-021E3-00.
>
>Thanks,
>Bob Armstrong
I have enough of them laying around I could supply the actual roms. I've
never imaged them as It's easier to replace the code outright.
Curious why are you looking for them?
Allison
Hi,
I came across a qbus card manufacturded by Data Technology Corp. labelled DTC LSI11-2. Has a 50pin header connector upper left hand side when looking at the component side. Searching around on bitsavers revealed a manual for the DTC LSI11-1. It seems to be a disk controller. Does anyone have any info on the 11-2? Switch settings, and/or drives that can be connected to this? I can provide pics of the controller if it would help.
thanks
alex
p.s apologies if this msg shows up twice, e-mail has been acting up today.
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Please see http://seefigure1.com for the various things I referenced.
Thanks,
Rob Ferguson
Can someone put the poor bastard out of this misery ;)
I think loosing your short term memory is one of the first signs of Alzheimer..
-Rik
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I have managed to break one of the wires in the ribbon cable of the DSSI
cabinet kit in my BA213 MicroVAX 3400. It looks like it would be fairly easy
to replace with any 50-way ribbon cable with a male connector and multiple
female connectors. The only problem is the connector to the front panel, the
ribbon is split into two at the external connector and goes into two
separate halves of the back of the connector. Is it possible to open up the
back of the connector without damaging it?
The alternative would be either to find a replacement cable (anyone have
one?) or try to repair the broken wire
Regards
Rob
Over the last year or so, I've been researching the history of the Commodore SuperPET.
I've just pushed a couple of things that I've been working on out to my website, and I thought people here might find them interesting.
First is a narrative about how the SuperPET came to be, and how work on academic software at the University of Waterloo culminated in a collaboration with Commodore. Much of the information stems from new research which I conducted in the UW Archives this past summer.
It also traces the origin and fate of the MICROWAT, a precursor hardware design that had a great deal of influence on the SuperPET. The whole thing can be found here: How the SuperPET came to be
Second, I've written a timeline that documents significant events in the birth, life and decline of the SuperPET. That's here: The Commodore SuperPET: a timeline
Third, one of the more interesting -- and mostly undocumented -- features of the SuperPET was its built-in ability to be a client to a remote fileserver; this relied on an RPC-like facility called HOSTCM that used the serial line as a transport. I have reverse engineered the protocol, and written a program that acts as a HOSTCM fileserver for the SuperPET. It runs on a variety of modern machines, including Mac OS X, FreeBSD and Linux.
Among other things, this means that you can use a SuperPET without an attached diskette drive, and that you can move disk images, files and programs between the SuperPET and modern machines without specialized hardware. You can find the program here: HOSTCM and the protocol documentation here: The HOSTCM protocol
Finally, I've written a couple of utilities that are useful for manipulating archived Commodore disk images for use with my HOSTCM implementation. That can be found here: Utilities for HOSTCM
Oh, and there are some good pictures, too.
If anyone has comments or questions, please let me know.
Cheers,
Rob Ferguson
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The SGI memory that I offered has already been claimed.
Thank you for all the responses!
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
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Kerrville, TX 78028
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Happy New Year to everyone who uses the Common Era calendar,
since by the time this reply is read, New Year's day of 2014 will have
already started for some individuals.
If anyone who is reading this still uses RT-11 to change RT-11
programs and uses the RT-11 Symbolic Debugger, SD:, I have a
few questions.
As for using SD: (the RT-11 Symbolic Debugger), does anyone find
that SDHX.SYS uses too much low memory (1125 words)? Would
having an option to retain the Program Counter Locations (at least
the last 1000 addresses executed - in a circular buffer, of course) be
of help in debugging RT-11 code? Another option which I would
appreciate would be the ability to support the temporary execution
of other jobs while the current job being executed is placed into
.Wait state. Does anyone else agree? Under TSX-Plus and RSX-11,
that happens automatically, in addition to using VDT under RT-11.
BUT, SDHX.SYS freezes the complete RT-11 system when the
code being debugged is stopped at a break point, including even
clock interrupts.
Jerome Fine
The following is a partial list of mostly cpu boards surplus to my needs.
Please contact me off list if interested. Some are available without roms.
Some other boxes, boards here, but no list yet.
Shipping from 61853, Illinois.
M7264- 11/03 no memory $45
M7264- 11/03 W memory $60
M7270 LSI-2 $80
M8186 11/23 $100
M8189 11/23+ $160
M8044 MSV11-DD $40
Qty discounts available.
Also have several complete 11/44 CPU sets and a bunch of M7819, DZ11-A
boards.
Thanks, Paul
In the Netherlands, two Tandem Himalaya K200 systems (I believe
those are MIPS-powered, NonStop) with disks, tape cartridges,
spare parts and more. All for *free*.
<http://link.marktplaats.nl/760755920>
In the description it's mentioned that these systems used to run
at the NYSE Euronext stock exchange. (They were probably
decommissioned to be replaced with IA-64 NonStop systems,
or something else, who knows.)
It looks physically gigantic and that it may (sic) require three-phase
power. But, in the description the person that is offering it writes
that one system ought to fit in a BMW 5-series station wagon car
and that it will definitely fit in a 'rent-a-haul' type of trailer.
I'm fairly nearby it, I imagine others may too. But, I don't have
adequate power-requirements for it most likely. For who is
interested in trying out a 'NonStop' system (these seem very
rare, needless to say), maybe we could start some kind of
'fundraiser' and that whoever is interested pitches in a small
amount of money, then we can see if we can get this gigantic
monstrosity shipped to someone who can power it and so
that people can perhaps try it out through remote access...?
(Just an idea.)
- MG
I thought that this might be of interest on here...
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From: Pam Tcath <ptcath at gmail.com>
Date: 30 December 2013 19:56
Subject: FS: Workgroup Server 95
To: lemswap at googlegroups.com
For sale is a Workgroup Server 95, 16Mb RAM, 1.2Gb HDD, Floppy Drive,
DAT Drive running A/UX 3.0.1 and OS7.0.1. This is a RARE machine in
Excellent Condition. Everything works. $ 375.00 postpaid CONUS. PayPal
ONLY. Pictures on request.
Pam Tcath
Cranston, RI 02910
I have these memory modules, no way to test.
2 are Silicon Graphics branded, no visible part numbers.
6 are Kingston branded, pn KSG-02/64.
I think these go to an SGI O2 machine?
$5 each, take them all, plus $6 shipping.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
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Kerrville, TX 78028
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Afternoon,
I've managed to acquire an LA120! Woohoo!
However, it had some issues...as was discussed when I got it. ;)
I've replaced the blown fuse, the there is continuity for the pico fuse on
the PSU...but I have no idea if that indicates it works or not. The only
thing that runs is the fan.
What are some test points I can try? Also...what is the value for the
picofuse? I have 125V 1.5A fuses...but I think it needs higher current.
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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Was just watching SG-1 episode "Tin Man" - there's a door opening
lever that's an RL02-type disk pack painted silver (can't tell which
variety under the paint).
Just amusing to spot.
-ethan
Rudolph and Santa has the island of misfit toys. I have the island of
misfit or slightly broken classic computers on eBay
1. green screened AT&t 7300
2.Vt100 minus keyboard (powers up but screen does not go on)
3.HP 9534; powers up, attached monitor works OK but only posts
intermittently. I suspect either something loose or faulty power supply.
The HP and the Vt will go up tomorrow around 10 am PST
http://www.ebay.com/sch/tcp1022/m.html?item=251410916240&ssPageName=STRK%3A…
These were items I had on my to do list to fix, but time has run out.
I am also giving a head up in that I'm selling my DECSystem 310, which is
a pdp8/a housed in a metal office desk. I comes with a circa 1974 Tec 440
terminal, an LA36 and an RL01.as well as the housed RX01(2)? I'm not
selling this on eBay but to any listers who might be interested. I'll post
more info as soon as I take some pics and gather it all together. It will
have to be freighted or picked up. I can hold it for 4-6 months if you want
to come to SE AZ to pick it up (near Tucson)
I need to find a way to interface a breadboard prototype to an MFM
connection on a MicroVAX 2000. The cable I have is the type that connects to
tracks on a two sided PCB (like the edge of any PC card that plugs into an
ISA, or PCI slot), I don't know if this has a name. Is there anything I
could search for that would give me small 2-sided PCBs with the tracks on
each side and an easy way to connect wires from the breadboard?
Another alternative would be to find single-pin sockets for the wires so
that I could connect wires directly to the IDC header on the MicroVAX 2000
system board on an individual basis. I have searched for these but not found
anything, do these things have a name?
I suppose I could just buy or make a simple 60-way ribbon cable and push the
wires from the breadboard into the socket on the ribbon cable.
Any other ideas?
Regards
Rob
I was looking at some of the diagnostics on the KLAD pack
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/klad_sources/index.html
and I notice that this one (DAKAA - basic instruction test) has a bunch of
interesting output at the end of the .SEQ file
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/klad_sources/01/klad.sources/dakaa.seq.html
The first part is just the diagnostic operating instructions and the second
part is the MACRO-10 listing, but at the end there's the output from what
appears to be a KA10 simulation. The header on each listing page says
"KASIM VER 0.2 19-JAN-77" - did DEC actually write a KA10 simulator ? And
it's apparently more than just a simple instruction simulator too, because
for each instruction there's a complete trace with all the internal time
states and internal register contents for the KA10. It must be an attempt
to model the internal architecture of the KA CPU.
Does anyone know any more about this program? Does anyone have a pointer
to the source for it? Tantalizingly there's a KASIM.SAV on the KLAD pack,
but that's all.
Bob
Evening...
I'm fighting with trying to get my disk formatted so I can use my PDP-11s.
;)
Tape records are:
0 zrqch0
1 zrqah0
2 zrqch0
3 zrqah0
Opening port /dev/ttyUSB0 .... Port open
?
Opened zrqch0 read-write
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
And it stalls after that many R and goes no further. I have no
alternative means to boot XXDP on this system...my only option is vtserver
until I get a drive formatted.
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I'm attempting to convert a TRS-80 DMK image to ImageDisk format in order
to write out a real floppy. The original was 80-track, DS, DD and indeed
the sdltrs emulator concurs and can catalog the image without incident.
The DMK2IMD utility converts it without complaint and reports:
80X6400 DSMD
250k data rate assumed
But, when I fire up IMD and write it out things stop after track 39 and
tell me that 2880 sectors have been written. That's the correct number of
sectors, but they should be spread over 80 tracks.
Clearly I'm missing something, but am not sure exactly what. The drive is
80-track DSQD and data rate is 250Kbps. I am not set for double-step and
imd believes (correctly) that the drive is an 80-track unit.
(I have also tried this with a more common 5.25" HD 1.2M drive - using
250k-->300k rate conversion - but the same thing happens)
Steve
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Free to a good home:
2 Tandem Himalaya K200 mainframes (circa 1993, according to the date stamps inside), a disk array, some spare disks, two terminals, assorted system cabling, spare internal cards and spare internal disks.
The fellow I got them from worked for NYSE Euronext, and said that they were used there before he acquired them through official channels after they were decommissioned. I have a printout of an e-mail to that effect, which also includes instructions for bringing them up?something I?ve never tried to do. They take a couple C19 power cords (provided) on an 8A circuit, and are reportedly working.
They are large (76x102x53cm) and heavy (two strong people can lift one, just). Location is Noord-Holland, Netherlands. If you?re interested in collecting them or you are willing to arrange your own pallet collection by courier, please contact me off list.
Jeremy
Hi,
I tried the rescue lists, but maybe these are old enough for cctalk.
HP 715/50 and 715/80, one HP chicklet keyboard, mouse, and a collection
of HP CDROMs. These are nice and clean, include internal CDROM drives,
some memory in one of them.
Sorry, I used the SCSI drives from these for another project. At one point
I did have one booting before then from install CDROM and from a SCSI
hard drive.
These are free, for local pickup, near Plymouth Meeting, PA, United States.
I might be persuaded to pack and ship these if anyone has anything I
am looking for in trade:
- An intact DEC BA23 front, back, and floor-stand base-plate thing.
- A DEC Q-Bus M7516 DELQA ethernet interface.
- Other BA23 pdp11 q-bus related stuff.
Mark
--
Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com)
The RICM just received three AN/AYK-14 CDC computers as a donation. It
looks like they each contain 4x 32k x 18-bit Core Memory Module,
Memory Control Module, General Processor Module, Processor Support
Module, and an I/O board.
Anyone know about these systems?
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> From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 07:38:23 -0800
> Subject: Re: RFC Ethernet Bus Interface V1
>
> So I'm back to a couple of bus translator PCBs with the actual microcontroller and FPGA on separate mezanine
> cards so whatever the silicon is that the bus translators stay the same. At least that's the theory.
I used this: http://www.emcraft.com/products/133#starter-kit plus some
bus translators to emulate a paper tape reader on a PDP-8/L.
I will use this one: http://www.emcraft.com/products/133#overview next
time because it has a lot more I/O.
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Hello.
I have an image file of an DEC RX02 diskette obtained with Catweasel (.DMK).
I would use this image on SIMH, but I have no clue about the way to
convert it to SIMH format.
Any idea?
Thanks
Andrea
Hiya Folks,
First off, Merry Christmas and a Happy and healthy New Year to everyone
here!
I've been working with a couple of developers during the last few months
to get 3 of my HP PA-RISC boxes back up and running with Debian HPPA
Linux. Debian dropped support for hppa a few years ago, due to lack of
certified developers (DD's), but a few die-hards managed to keep it
going outside of the normal repositories at http://www/parisc-linux.org
. We would really like to see the port listed as an active architecture
again in the Debian repos, but in order to do so, they require at least
5 *active* developers to maintain the port.
Thanks to Helge Deller (Germany), John David Anglin (Canada), and a few
custom kernel re-writes, we now have a stable 32 & 64 Bit SMP kernel
(currently at 3.11-1 'unstable' and 3.11.2 'experimental'), and we have
3 buildd servers running on 2 different machines (at my location),
generating up-to-date packages for download at
http://www.debian-ports.org . Dave Anglin is currently working on
setting up another buildd on one of his machines to balance the load out
a bit. :)
Bottom line is, people can now 'debootstrap' new installs on their
hardware with a basic 'lifimage' CD available for download at:
http://ftp.parisc-linux.org/debian-ports/unstable-boot-image/lifimage
and a network connection, to pull the necessary packages from
debian-ports.org.
We are in desperate need of additional developers familiar with working
with the older HP PA-RISC hardware, and know something about coding for
this architecture in Linux, and especially somebody that may know a bit
about back-engineering some of the HP graphics cards to support Xorg and
a regular GUI desktop. As it stands, we only have graphics support for
the rare, and usually expensive, ATI FireGL-UX PCI-X type cards, and
it's still a bit buggy.
So dig out your old HP RISC boxes and dust them off, and see if you can
get them loaded up and running, and more importantly, if you're
interested in having an up-to-date Linux distribution that actually
makes these bullet-proof servers and workstations usable again, contact
me off-list and I'll get you connected with Dave Anglin and/or Helge
Deller, two of the main forces in this project at the moment, and they
can get you pointed in the right direction, if you're up for some
development work!
You can see a bit of our current progress (mainly with my original
Visualize J6750 workstation), and two (new to me) machines that were
donated by a former developer in the project, in my website hosted on
the J6750 along with 2 of the buildd servers, a full, *current*, LAMP
server to handle the website, and numerous other little projects, all
running on 2 - 875mhz. PA-RISC processors and 7 gb. or so of RAM. You
can see that here: http://www.landcomp.net:884/wp/ along with my newly
acquired RP-2470 (A500) server, and another J6000 series workstation.
We're still deciding what kind of tricks we want to make it do, so it's
offline at the moment, but ready to go, for graphics development or
whatever. :)
Happy Holidays, and we hope to hear from you soon! :)
Dave L.
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ICQ: 676030523
If you live in the Denver area, there is a recycler that has lots of old
Apple/Mac stuff.
Contact me off list for address.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 21:25:16 -0500
From: Joe Giliberti <starbase89 at gmail.com>
Subject: Amiga 4000 power supply specs
Hello
I have an Amiga 4000 040 with what I think is a fouled up power supply. I
am looking for info as to what voltages should be where so i can determine
if the PSU is the problem. Any help is very much appreciated.
Thanks
Joe
------------------------------
According to the schematic there is a power connector (CN160) which has the
following pin-outs:
Pin 1: FAIL signal (470R pull-up to +5v) by plug chamfer
Pin 2: -12v
Pin 3: +12v
Pin 4: Ground (opposite pin 1)
Pin 5: Ground
Pin 6 +5v (1.8A poly-switch protection, opposite pin 3)
I don't think the schematic is model-specific. Good luck!
Jim
Hi guys,
Does anyone have a spare 5.25-inch half-height MFM or RLL ("ST506"
interface) hard drive?
I'm trying to resurrect an AT&T UNIX PC, but its Microscience HH-1090
drive is basically a brick. I can format it with the Diagnostics disk,
but the install floppy falls down when it tries to 'mkfs' the root
filesystem. Running mkfs manually produces a "write error" message.
Mapping the bad block doesn't help in the least, and the diag floppy
reports 76 bad block table (remap) entries when I run the S4TEST (expert
mode) disk diagnostic...
Anything <= 1400 cylinders and 8 heads would work fine (though I could
always lie to the machine and specify a lower head and cylinder count)
but ideally I need (cylinders * heads * 16 * 512) to be >= 40MB.
There's a bit more about this requirement and why here --
http://unixpc.taronga.com/faq/part2/faq-doc-6.html
The machine may have a WD2010 controller (I'm not sure, I need to crack
'er open and check) but it certainly doesn't have the P5.1 upgrade PAL.
Thanks,
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
Hello
I have an Amiga 4000 040 with what I think is a fouled up power supply. I
am looking for info as to what voltages should be where so i can determine
if the PSU is the problem. Any help is very much appreciated.
Thanks
Joe
Folks,
I am teaching a course on the history of computing. I am looking for
cardboard or paper models of the IBM 360 computing system to help my
students visualize what a computer center of the 1970s would look
like. Does anyone know of a source for these models?
Thanks!
Ellis
After a trade session with Henk, I got a Siemens PT80 teleprinter ;)
I'm trying to find some info on the net but there is very little info about
the PT80, the PT80i is mentioned a lot because it was one of the first
inktjet printers.
But info about the PT80 is very sparse, so I'm looking for some kind of
service and installation info so I can connect and use the 'beast'.
I know it uses a current loop connection, but the connection board has more
connection points then used at the moment, and I reverse engineered the
polarity and Tx and Rx connections, but I'm also looking for the
possibility to address the puncher and punch reader from outside the PT80.
So if one of you has info..
-Rik
I have a trs-80 model III. It seems to work ok except that some of the characters on the screen are wrong...the computer works even though some of the characters on the screen are wrong (and they seem consistently wrong...a "?" always displays as the same bad character.
Does this sound like video ram? Or something else?
Any troubleshooting info out there?
Thanks.
-Bob
Hi, All,
Years after we were discussing the LPFK in detail, I have managed to
be home long enough to find mine and hook them up. I've also dug into
the innards a little bit to understand how to wire up a cable, and it
brings me to a question... what is pin 4?
According to the old discussions, pin 4 was described as +5V or "+5V
through a pullup" since there was clearly not a direct path from pin 3
to pin 4. My tracing of the board shows me that pin 3 is indeed +5V
in, but pin 4 is connected to +5V through a signal diode, *and* to
ground through a diode, *and* (through a small resistor) to both
inputs on one of the gates in the 74LS00 whose output is RESET.
So... it looks like a diode-clamped input for resetting the 8031. My
question is, given that one diode drop is 0.7V (I don't think these
are zeners, at least they are in orange glass packages with a yellow
stripe, not a silver package with black stripe and numbers like the
zeners I recognize), can you safely put more than 6V on this input or
not? i.e., is it meant to be connected to RTS or DTR so that the host
can easily reset it? I know more modern serial ports (those without
1488s and 1489s, for instance) don't often hit +/-12V, but I know
nothing about what the LPFK was supposed to connect to, so I can't
guess what serial voltages the LPFK would have to accommodate. Does
anyone have a pinout or a good description of the original IBM cable?
To connect up my LPFKs, I bisected an old 8-pin DIN cable and added a
DE9, and for the interface, hacked a Keyspan-brand RS-232 dongle to
sever RI from pin 9 and to bring up +5V from the USB connector. I've
seen other serial devices (like those used with a POS) that have
power-over-serial on pin 9, so I know it was commonly done for
embedded devices, but I can't seem to find a good name for the
practice (I was planning on marking altered devices with "P9" so I
know that pin 9 is powered.
It's fun finally getting some practical experience on the real
hardware and to see the sample code I wrote five years ago for Phil
Pemberton's library in action.
Thanks for any info,
-ethan
I think I'm missing something.
For the sake of differentiating between, I'm going lump the Altair's, SWTPC, etc. into the Microcomputer group, Apple II's Atari's etc. in Home Computers, and IBM PC and compatibles in IBM PC group.
I have a question.
Why did microcomputers die off?
I've been thinking about that this morning and I seem to be missing something.
To my experience, the microcomputers started to really fade out around the time home computers got big. But to me these are two different market segments with some, but not a whole lot of overlap.
Had the microcomputer market hit saturation by that time? That's the only thing I can come up with.
But then what sustained business until the IBM PC steamroller came along?
I guess it was mostly the unglamorous and unreported on microcomputers, as I don't think the Apple II got /that/ deep into businesses (other home computers had next to no penetration).
Ah, hmm, maybe I am over generalizing the microcomputer group. Maybe it should actually be split into two, the hobbyist micros and the business micros?
While they tended to use the same machines, the focus was different I think.
That would tend to agree with my supposition above that the hobbyist micro market hit saturation, and the business micro market quietly chugged along until steamrolled.
And that would imply that the home computer group had next to no impact on either of the microcomputer groups.
Or am I missing a piece, or two, to this puzzle?
Thanks,
Brad
My old SAGE/BUIC Buddy email me off list list your email found
good book in the stacks "Experience and capabilities of Burroughs Michigan
Laboratories, Inc., Ann Arbor laboratory."
Ed Sharpe - _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
On 22 Dec 2013 Al Kossow wrote:
> I'm feeling the same way this morning trying to get a Catweasel to work in Linux.
> It's just special that they stole someone else's PCI ID for the MK IV board.
I'm not sure they stole it so much as randomly made up a pci uid/vid pair, which happened later to be used for that isdn card.
Or its possible that the pci interface chip on the cw mkiv was a large overstock of china-bought chips which had been masked for the card. I have no idea. It can be worked around by forbidding load of the module for the isdn card in linux.
--
Jonathan Gevaryahu
jgevaryahu at gmail.com
jgevaryahu at hotmail.com
(I think I asked this once before, but I can't remember the result and I can't find the thread in the archive)
I have an Alphaserver 1000 that I would like to resurrect. It periodically hangs or reboots. When it reboots the error is usually "Machine check while in palcode". When it hangs, the hang is so severe the halt button does not work. Either way, it always happens within 20 minutes of booting. I ran all of the diagnostics you get by moving the CPU card jumper (cache memory tests, RAM tests) and they run for an hour or so with no error. (I am assuming the diagnostic halts on error instead of just looping again, is that correct?) During the course of these I moved the jumper to the wrong place and wiped out SRM, so I had to reload SRM from floppy using the failsafe loader. That worked. The SRM diagnostics will also run for as long as I want without error. Does anyone have any idea what's wrong here or is there some kind of XXDP-like thing I can run that will better test the machine?
Hi,
I've been making progress with my pdp11/53 project. Once I figured out
how to get into Emulex F.R.D. mode from ODT, I was able to configure,
format, and test my QD01 connected MFM hard drive.
I'd like to try installing 2.11BSD. Although I've got a TK50 drive
and controller, I don't have any tapes, or anything else here that
can write to them.
I have a Quantum DLT8000 SCSI drive, and an Emulex UC07 scsi controller.
I was able to set the UC07 as the first TMSCP controller, and F.R.D on
the UC07 reports the DLT8000 drive, and tests writing and reading to
tapes loaded in the drive with no errors.
I followed the 2.11BSD setup.ps and HOWTO file instructions to create
a tape with dd, using a Sun Solaris SPARC server connected to the DLT8000.
It seems silly trying to install an OS on a 70MB MFM drive from an
80GB DLT tape, but that's what I've got to work with so far, and my
UC07 can't do TMSCP and MSCP at once, so no SCSI disks if I'm installing
>from SCSI tape.
Back on the 11/53, if I try to "BOOT MU0", the DLT tape spins for a few
seconds encouragingly, but then I get:
KDJ11-D/S E.03
Media not bootable
Should I be able to boot the 2.11BSD boot block on an 11/53 from a
TMSCP connected SCSI tape drive? The BSD setup.ps file includes bootstrap
monitor examples for TM and TS tape drives. Do I need to use one of
these instead of the normal 11/53 bootstrap ROM? Or, maybe there is
something about block sizes and writing the tapes from Sun Solaris SPARC
dd that means they aren't compatible?
Alternate paths I could take might be installing 2.11BSD using VTserver,
or maybe using PUTR or an emulator to set up OS directly onto a SCSI hard
drive or zip drive for use on the 11/53, but I liked the idea of doing it
with tape if I can figure out how. I have successfully booted the 11/53
>from an RT11 RX33 floppy I created with PUTR, for what it's worth.
Mark
--
Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com)
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:53 PM, steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net> wrote:
> FWIW, an un-built H11 in original carton with several extra cards just
> went for a single bid of $500 on EPAY over the weekend :(
Wow! That sounds cheap. I have a built-up one that was hacked
half-to-death by its first owner, a former boss of mine (he turned it
into a hex-wide and made his own CD-interconnect for an RLV11) with at
least one unsoldered serial card (no need to solder it since I have
real DEC cards and they have standard, not Heath, pinouts to connect
to the outside world). As an H-11 it works just fine even after I
undid its previous "expansion", but I've never gotten the H-27 to boot
on it (it works with an RXV21 and RX02 or with an RLV12 (now) and
RL02).
-ethan
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Peter Corlett <abuse at cabal.org.uk> wrote:
> If you had contrived the hardware design to have suitable incomplete decoding,
> you could have exploited the movem hack that copies 56 bytes in 72 cycles,
> which would give you north of 5MB/s on a 7.09MHz CPU.
Thanks for the reminder, here is a reference for the curious, although
this one does 48-bytes per loop cycle:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.sys.amiga.programmer/LpdAw8SZcdY…
>
> From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Cc:
> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 09:08:12 -0800
> Subject: Re: RFC Ethernet Bus Interface V1
> On 12/22/13 8:43 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>> Here is a first draft. Anything wrong/missing architecturally?
>>
>>
> The one thing that I didn't think of was not handling 18 bit data transfers
> on Unibus DMA, though now that I've thought of it adding the data parity
> bits
> to the buffering wouldn't be a big deal even if there wouldn't be any code
> behind it.
>
> That is only an issue for two systems I can think of, KS10s and
> Unichannel-15s..
>
<snip>
> Now, as usual whenever I think about this, I'll spend the next several
> weeks
> trying to get a tool chain running to actually get "hello world" running on
> an ARM proto board or the equivalent on an FPGA board. Maybe it'll actually
> work this time (I think I've tried doing this for several years running now
> and gave up when after buying a prototyping board I couldn't get anything
> to work).
>
>>
>>
Having an 18-bit Unibus interface for the KS10 is a great idea. You could
easily put enough RAM on the board to emulate several Massbus disk drives
and save the disk images on flash.
Last year I made a Posibus Peripheral Emulator with an Actel SmartFusion
FPGA/ARM
http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/Home/equipment/pdp-8-l/making-a-posibus-per…
I started with an Emcraft SOM module, used the free FPGA tool chain from
Actel, and the FPGA and uC Linux image from Emcraft. Linux was running on
the SOM when it was first powered up.
http://www.emcraft.com/products/255
All I needed to to was make an interface board from the 3.3V logic in the
FPGA to the Posibus in the PDP-8/L. My idea was to put the time sensitive
logic in the FPGA and do everything else with a Linux device driver and
application.
You could do the same and use something like an M9014 module to connect to
the Unibus. Once the circuit was debugged you could make a PCB that plugged
directly into the Unibus and had a socket for the FPGA SOM. Since all of
the Unibus logic is in the FPGA the single board could respond to many
Unibus addresses and then emulate multiple peripherals at the same time.
With a little FPGA logic change, and a bit of coding, you could run SIMH on
the ARM in the FPGA and then emulate just about any CPU.
--
Michael Thompson
Does anyone have a source for a Fujitsu MB8866 FDC chip? I've found some
mention of it being a direct substitution for a WD1791, but the latter
does not cooperate in this machine.
Steve
--
Dave,
Don't worry they've been spoken for.
The new owner will pick them up tomorrow. And it's not the last parisc machine I have. But I find myself owing a lot of equipment which only future seems te be occupying storage space. So those have to go..
-Rik
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: "Dave Land" <xmechanic at landcomp.net>
Verzonden: ?23-?12-?2013 08:43
Aan: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Onderwerp: Re: Free (only pickup) 2 HP9000 D-serie systems
On 12/20/13 2:27 PM, Rik Bos wrote:
> I've two HP 9000 D-series systems one D380 and the other a D280 (I think)
>
> Those are pa-risc systems running HP-UX 11i one is a dual processor system
> the other has 1 proc.
>
> The D380 is loaded with a video card and several other cards.
>
> With some drives and other goodies, free for pickup only.
>
> Systems are located in the Netherlands near Groningen.
>
> If no one wants them I'll scrap them.
>
>
>
> -Rik
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Man, I'd take them in a minute if I was in NL. You realize of course you
could load these with HPPA-Linux now that we're getting the debian-ports
archive refreshed with recent builds. :)
See: http://parisc-linux.org or my site at http://landcomp.net:884/wp/
to see what has been going on recently. :) Hope if they are salvagable,
you don't throw them out!
Dave L.
--
Dave Land
Land Computer Service xmechanic at landcomp.net
ICQ: 676030523
Does anyone know of a source for a battery for an Apple Duo 230 laptop?
I've got a Duo, and got it working, but no battery (works on AC).
Ultimately, I'd like one battery "for show" that's all original (don't care
if it works or not) and another I can "crack open" to restore/repair for
actual battery power use...
I've been watching various outlets for a while, and simply haven't
seen/found any..
Thanks.
Earl
I've two HP 9000 D-series systems one D380 and the other a D280 (I think)
Those are pa-risc systems running HP-UX 11i one is a dual processor system
the other has 1 proc.
The D380 is loaded with a video card and several other cards.
With some drives and other goodies, free for pickup only.
Systems are located in the Netherlands near Groningen.
If no one wants them I'll scrap them.
-Rik
>
> Does anyone know exactly what was in the Lobo branded "SASI" external
hard
> drive? I've managed to convince my Max-80 to talk with a 10MB MFM drive
> behind an Adaptec ACB-4000 bridge controller. It formats and verifies
> without a complaint, accepts bad sector information and creates a working
> CP/M volume. But, for some reason I cannot get it to boot from the hard
> disk.
>
> It won't be the end of the world if I have to cold-start from a floppy,
> but my curiousity is getting the better of me. The utility that writes
> the boot sectors works fine - there's a brief flicker of drive activity
> and no error messages. When I set the DIP switches to cold-boot the hard
> disk, I can see the busy LED on the bridge board light up solid and the
> machine freezes. Under normal I/O, the drive activity LED illuminates at
> the same time as the one on the ACB-4000, but at boot I never see the
> drive itself respond.
>
> I'm assuming that there's some incompatibility between the ACB-4000 and
> the boot PROM. It would help to know what it's expecting to see. I've
> been digging through the boot ROM sources, but nothing jumps out so far.
>
> FWIW, I've tried an Adaptec ACB-5500 controller (same results), a Xebec
> 1410 (won't format or verify, but can be written/read) and a Xebec 1410A
> (I/O errors).
>
> Steve
Steve,
What OS are you using? I understand that the original OS had an OS bug
related to direct hard drive booting. I can check around if you have not
yet resolved the problem
Bill
Hi,
I have an unusal east german PC, an A7150 aka CM1910.
This Computer isn't build out of a motherboard and Slot Cards,
it hast Modules and a passive Backplane with something like a Multibus-1
Bus using DIN41462 connectors, one for the System Bus (MMS16) the other for
a Localbus.
The Computer contains a CPU with 8086/87 and two SZ80-A based Subsystems
for Graphics (using a NEC 7220) and Disk IO (2 Floppies and at ST506
Interface).
The Computer is running DOS3.3, CP/M86 and a Unix called MUTOS, an realtime
System called BOS1810 is also available, but I don't know an western
equivalent for it. The 1810 ic comming from the soviet name of the 8086
Chips, they are named K1810xx. Here at robotrontechnik.de is a page about
this Computer
http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/computer/a7150.htm
buit it is in german. Here are some pictures of cards from this machine:
http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/computer/a7150.htm
Ok, so far so good. This Machine is running DOS, but it isn't that much XT
Compatible. The Graphics are emulating CGA (doublescan) for this mode but
are capable to do 640x480 in 256 Colors. The Processor is clocked with 4,9
Mhz, which schould be a little faster than a average XT but the Bus
arbitation brings in some more delay. The BUS is capable of multimastering
which isn't used in this machine but takes time..
I have at least 3 of this machines, they aren't that rare in the former
GDR and the Eastern Block.
I've tried to put in a NEC V30 CPU which is working principially, but the
BIOS in the Machine rejects it later. The Machine Checks are simple to
precise. For Example the ACT Acceptance Test reports a bad PIT Timer (8254)
since it Checks the correctness of the timer with some loop of instructions
>from the CPU. The BIOS of this machine consists of 4 2764 EPROMS and it
therefore 32Kbyte long.
So far the Intro, Now I wan't to disassemble the BIOS with the checks to
build a version that's capable to run on a V30. Why? Just for fun...
I've now looking for available 8086 emulators to load end step trough the
BIOS code while looking what happens there (I'm not a x86 guy at all).
Found two emulators on the Net (emu8086 and I8086emu) both both of them
aren't capable to load a binary file as BIOS and step trough it.
The emu8086 has'nt any capability to load the code in that are that I want
f000:f800 until the end of the 1MB, at least I found no way to do this an
dgot no answer to my question to the author and the 2nd one wich runs on
Windows and Linux (FreeBSD to) as long as they are 32BIT OS's seems to
support not more than 64KB Code in the last available release.
So the final question is: Does someone know wo a software that can do that?
Kind Regards and a merry Christmas,
Holm
--
Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe,
Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583
www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741
There are still three (3) of the S-100 bus extender boards left if you are
looking for them. These are the nice ones with a logic probe, LEDs,
speakers, fuses, lead clip-ons, etc.
http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/Extender%20Board/Extender%20Boa
rd.htm
The PCBs will be $20 each as per the usual arrangement. Shipping in the US
is $3 for a single PCB and $2 for each additional PCB. Shipping
internationally is $12.75 for a single PCB and $3 for each additional PCB.
This is for the bare basics USPS first class postage with no tracking or
insurance. The builder assumes all risk of delivery as per usual
arrangement.
There is also one S-100 Parallel IO V2 PCB (limited edition) available for
$30. These are a limited special order and have all the patches and
improvements from the last batch. No cuts or jumpers required.
Please send a PayPal to LYNCHAJ at YAHOO.COM with the subject "S-100 bus
extender" or "S-100 Parallel IO V2" and I will send your board(s).
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
Someone went through the trouble to identify the magazine in the movie
Wargames that set off the events in that movie. http://mw.rat.bz/wgmag/
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Brad,
Yeah, if I can FIND one, I figured the folks at AHCS could help me rebuild it. I'm probably going to have a "big" rebuild laptop battery task, once I at least find batteries for all the Mac laptops I got on that palette of Macs. However, sadly, the Duo 230 is the ONLY one that didn't have even ONE battery pack in the pile. I've been hunting on ebay and various other sites, but aside from one or two units (and one full unit and docking station) I've not seen any even LISTED for sale...
I'm still interested in 2 of them, if anybody knows of a source...
Earl
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 02:46:03 -0500
> From: BE Arnold <bearnold at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple Duo 230 Battery?
>
> Many battery packs of that time are nothing more than a bunch of NiCad sub-C cells. If we could determine that it is such, I can build you one.
> Can you bring one to the meeting today?
>
>
>> On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:34 AM, "Earl Baugh" <earl at baugh.org> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of a source for a battery for an Apple Duo 230 laptop?
>> I've got a Duo, and got it working, but no battery (works on AC).
>> Ultimately, I'd like one battery "for show" that's all original (don't care
>> if it works or not) and another I can "crack open" to restore/repair for
>> actual battery power use...
>>
>> I've been watching various outlets for a while, and simply haven't
>> seen/found any..
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Earl
I've been slowly restoring an Apple II (original) to working condition
and my last hurdle is getting the keyboard working reliably. When I
started a handful of keys didn't work, worked intermittently or had
debouncing problems and I managed to get them working fairly well again
by carefully working in some contact cleaner into the switch. (It's a
real PITA since these things are solid blocks of plastic and cannot be
disassembled.) I have one key left that I cannot make work through this
method. I'd rather not sacrifice another keyboard just for a single
keyswitch; does anyone have any of these going spare or have a "salvage
quality" Apple II keyboard I could pull a switch from? (Or does anyone
have better repair advice for these switches?)
Thanks as always,
Josh
I'm looking for a HP 12597A 8 bit dup interface for the HP 2100, 21MX, 1000
series.
Want to connect my tape punch to my HP 2100S cpu, if someone wants to part
>from it contact me.
-Rik
Afternoon,
I have a couple of these (in need of PSu repair...rigged up a temporary
ATX supply).
I managed to find the software on Emulex's FTP site...but it's password
protected in a zip file. Does anyone have the software or the password?
I'm currently bruteforcing it, but it could take awhile...
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
I don't agree on everything, but to each their own
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230485810457926431315580…
1. Newton MessagePad (1993)
2. Netscape Navigator (1994)
3. Windows 95 (1995)
4. The Palm Pilot (1997)
5. Google Search (1998)
6. The iPod (2001)
7. Facebook?
8. Twitter (2006)
9. The iPhone (2007)
10. Android (2008)
11. The MacBook Air (2008)
12. The iPad (2010)