test-drb March 2002

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote: > *never* heard VMS > > mentioned as having any sort of an OPENSTEP environment. > We are talking about OpenSTEP, right? Not NeXTSTEP? There has > been a port of OpenSTEP to XFree86 for long and long. Yes. Right. Nope. :) That is, GNUStep is far from OpenSTEP. It is still a work in progress, and while it has a very nice NeXT like window manager for X11, it's not a complete OpenSTEP environment by any means. It's also not a port, but a re-implementation from specs. What I am talking about would be a port -- of OpenSTEP (not NeXTSTEP), to VMS on Alpha. (There is a FAQ somewhere that explains OpenSTEP vs. NeXTSTEP [vs. NeXTStep...) In a nutshell, I believe that NeXTStep refers to a subset of NeXTSTEP licensed to IBM at one point. NeXTSTEP is the full original NeXT environment. OpenStep was modularized, and the operating system functions were separated from the user environment, which was then ported to other platforms (including Windows [ISTR] and Solaris, and, so I have heard recently, VMS) Of course, that is mostly from memory, so any of it could be way off. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 9 months

DECdatasystems

by jss＠subatomix.com

I have just acquired part of a DECdatasystem 570. I have the following questions about it: Why did DEC repackage their PDP-11s this way? When were the various DECdatasystem models released? How do they fit in with the rest of DEC's product line, and how were they marketed? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

22 years, 9 months

Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I got thinking about this on my way to work today. If this has indeed > been going on for the last 50 years as Allison said, this makes sense. > It was in the 50's that our highway system was laid down.... I think > I-94 went through hear in 1957. Also, since the mid 70's (??) much of > our manufacturing has gone overseas. I suggest you watch the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" again, this time, keeping in mind that's its not fiction, but allegory... -dq

22 years, 9 months

Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A rail shipment may also be held until enough cars are destined for a > certain area. Next to shipping by boat, shipping by train is probably the > slowest method to get something some where, as far as total transit time. A > truck can be anywhere in the US in a matter of 4 days. For perishible > items, trucks are far more viable. Also, trucks generally ride better than > rail cars, so delicate cargoes benefit from the air-ride suspension systems. I've been told UPS has started holding the ground trucks until they fill up, where they used to have a timer; timer fires, truck rolls, full or not. When fuel costs jumped a couple of years ago they changed this. May not be true... -dq

22 years, 9 months

30 TK50 Tapes For Sale

by jyount＠wallacehardware.com

Hello, I was referred to your email address when asking someone where I might be able to find a buyer for 30 TK50 tapes I possess that are no longer used. If you're not interested in buying these, do you know of anyone who would like them? Do you have a forum that I could post these on? I appreciate any assistance or info you could give me.

22 years, 9 months

New Finds for museum this week

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Got these two items for free; a HP 150 II (no keyboard) and a Atari SM124 monitor. For $10 I got Power Mac 5400/120 (has a bad hard drive). My Microvision system arrived with 3 game cartridges and works great (for what it does). Got a great book titled Modern Computer Concepts-The IBM 360 Series by Edward J. Laurie. It's stamped inside as being a "EXAMINATION COPY" and was printed in 1970. It has 926 pages and lots of great pictures. Only cost 50 cents at a thrift here. Won a Brainiac (1959) kit computer on eBay it looks almost complete and will make a great display item. Now if I could only find a Geniac for cheap. :-) I asked before and never got one answer but does anyone have a extra Hero Jr remote control that they would like to sell?

22 years, 9 months

Here's a link you all might like....

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Douglas Quebbeman may have mentioned these words: >> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> > Are you suggesting that the embassy is staffed by a bunch of >> > dickheads? >> >> <playing straight man for Dave> >> >> You know who was the world's first computer operator? > >If you say Richard Head you will get one virtual nerf brick >tossed in your direction immediately... No... No... You mean "Richard _Cranium_" Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

22 years, 9 months

Here's a link you all might like....

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Hm, Original Wang PCs and a few old terminals mixed in. Looks like slim pickings to me. Paxton

22 years, 9 months

SOL-20 keyboard (fwd)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> As you will note, Barry authorized this posting. As of this date, I've tried three or four times to contact barry, with no response yet. If any SOL jocks *have* been able to contact him, could you have him contact me? TIA! -dq > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:24:45 -0500 > From: Barry A. Watzman <Watzman(a)neo.rr.com> > To: 'Don Maslin' <donm(a)cts.com> > Subject: RE: SOL-20 keyboard > > I won't but you may if you want to. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:05 AM > To: Barry A. Watzman > Subject: Re: SOL-20 keyboard > > > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Barry A. Watzman wrote: > > > By the way, in 1977 I made and sold a SOL-20 keyboard > modification kit > > that included a new ROM for the keyboard and new keytops. > The new ROM > > made the high order bit of the numeric keypad keys a "1" > instead of a > > "0". This made it possible to distinguish between the keys in the > > numeric keypad and the numeric keys in the top row of the normal > > keyboard (in the stock keyboard, these different keys > produced exactly > > the same output). This was transparent to normal > applications because > > they normally did an "ANI 7FH" anyway, stripping this bit, but it > > could be used by an application if the application wanted to do so. > > > The new keytops had word processing legends instead of numbers, and > > really was made for the "Electric Pencil" and "Wordstar" word > > processors. The keytops were actually made by Keytronic (I > had to pay > > tooling charges, about $1,000 (those were 1977 dollars, it was about > > one-fourth the price of a new car)) and and matched the SOL keyboard > > exactly. > > > > I have a few of these kits left in a box in the basement. If anyone > > wants them, they are $25. What I'm not sure of is if I have the > > installation instructions anywhere. > > > > [If anyone takes me up on this, I'm actually going to have > to FIND that > > box, which may be easier said than done.] > > > > > >

22 years, 9 months

OT: Scrapping steel (was RE: Suggestions for hauling ...)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

In the last 50+ years, some 150,000 miles of railroad track have been abandoned. At 100 pounds/yard or more for mainline track rail, that's a lot of steel. As to who is paying for the scrapping, the railroad, or often a bankruptcy court, would bid it out to scrappers -- the same people (as a general class) who will take an old computer and cut the edge connector off a board in order to recover the gold. Might not seem like an economical thing to do, but these people can make a living out of it. Also, remember that in the 50's and 60's (and even earlier for most electric interurban lines) steel was worth more. When the railroads converted to diesel in the late 40's/early 50's, most of the steam locomotives were sold for scrap. Nothing sinister about it, just made economic sense at the time. The subsidies that went into highway construction and trucking are another matter, though, but that is too OT to go into. Still, we can't blame the interstate system for all railroad failures, as many began their decline in the 30's and 40's. Most electric streetcar lines and interurbans here in the midwest were replaced by busses by the mid 50's. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:35 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR toYates On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that happening. Is > > it a national trend? > > We've had quite a lot ripped out here in Oregon. This does beg the question... Who exactly is paying for this, and to what gain? I think someone's point of it not really being cost- effective (even for the scrap) is worth investigating. Maybe it is. I can't imagine it's more expensive to produce a ton of steel from salvaged rails than it is to do the same from iron ore. Still, it'd be interesting to know who's fronting the labor to do it, and what money is backing it. -brian.

22 years, 9 months

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test-drb March 2002