test-drb March 2002

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORtoYates

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> >On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Allison wrote: >> From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> >> >> >Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that happening. Is >> >it a national trend? >> >> Try around NY, Boston and east coast in general, especially the metro >> regions. Many of the rails have been abandoned over the last 50 years >> and are being removed infavor of many uses from trails to roads. >> >> A big waste if you ask me. > >Not to mention the pollution factor. I'd find it hard to believe all these >trucks spew less pollution than the trains they are replacing... > >-Toth Yep! I meant ripping the tracks up was the waste! Allison

22 years, 9 months

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates Center, KS?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Vintage Computer Festival > <<<<<clipped>>>>> > Jim's original plan was to load the Computer Garage contents into the > truck and then tow his Suburban from the truck. I am suggesting that he > rent or even buy a big trailer and use the Suburban to haul the trailer. > Jim is going to ask some of these places if they will rent trailers one > way (I don't see why not). I think my suggestion to buy a trailer would > be cool if he can't since it may be cheaper than renting a truck, and he > can always use it for other stuff, or sell it when he gets back to Kansas. > > Any suggestions are appreciated. > > -- > If I had the time, I would offer to fly out and drive the 'Burban for you. It would be a neat adventure for me... But yeah, I would rent the 24' truck, and have a friend drive the 'Burban. Also, like someone else mentioned, have CB radio in both vehicles. You can get fairly cheap 2 or 3 channel ones from Radio Shack. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

22 years, 9 months

OT: RE: Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Most of these abandonments were in the 60's into the 80's. Railroads are doing quite well now (except for Union Pacific, which f****ed up royally trying to merge computer systems from its too-many and too-fast acquisitions), and it's the trucking companies that are crying. Trivia: the first "rail-to-trail" conversion (dq's greenways with joggers) was here near Chicago -- the Illinois Prairie Path, which converted the Chicago, Aurora and Elgin interurban right-of-way, abandoned in 1961, into a bike path in the mid-1960's. (How --why?-- do I know this? My daughter is doing a school history fair project on it :-) ). There are some groups trying to revive the Chicago, North Shore, and Milwaukee r.o.w. as an alternative to a 3rd airport in Chicago. The idea is to build a high speed rail link from downtown Chicago to Mitchell Field in Milwaukee. Bob P.S. to Sridhar. How do you ship partial boxcars of goods? Easy, it's called "LCL" freight (less-than-car-load). -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:05 AM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment > Where has rail been ripped up? I've never heard of that > happening. Is it a national trend? Of course, I'm aware of it primarily through local examples, but the local newspapers have run articles about how this is happening throughout the nation.... the midwest probably has more miles ot track to rip up, though... Recently, efforts have been underway to try to reclaim some abandoned right-of-way and use it to create light rail (i.e. trolley) lines... Once upon a time, there was a B&O spur that ran in front of the home I lived in as a child (not far from here)... Dad and I would walk one direction as far as the floodwall, and the other direction usually only as far as a small drug store that sold hot mixed nuts. Remember hot mixed nuts, hot peanuts, etc? Just a short walk further (which we never did) you'd find the coal company who used to deliver the coal by which we used to heat that house (did a natural gas conversion in '64 just before we moved out). But all that line is not greeway, replete with joggers... :( -dq

22 years, 9 months

Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> It is too bad one can't share the truck and have the truck move > across the country with computers. There must be a lot of computers > on the east and west coasts that have to move inland and from one > side of the country to the other. Too bad you can't ship rail anymore. You can, it's just that they've unfortunately ripped-up all the old rail in order to create greenbelts... I'm lucky that I've got a mixed-use railhead near my home (freight and newly-restored Amtrack service), but I'd still need a step-van or flatbed to bring it that last mile... -dq

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Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> There are some groups trying to revive the Chicago, North Shore, and > Milwaukee r.o.w. as an alternative to a 3rd airport in Chicago. The idea is > to build a high speed rail link from downtown Chicago to Mitchell Field in > Milwaukee. CSX (Chessie, PennRR, NYCentral, etc) abandoned significant local right-of-way, which provided a local opportunity that couldn't be passed up. Now we have a local RR company who uses the red keystone as its logo (the line was originally PennRR). They're doing pretty well, too... -dq

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Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

...and yes, I do read the list. B^} * Recently, Zane wrote: > How many trips is he looking at? One. more is really not an option. > Has he already gotten the stuff he had in his house out there? Yes... that was the first three 26' trucks and a 28' semi-trailer. (A major contributing factor to the cash crunch) > He had enough stuff in the garage to probably fill a 24-foot truck, > and that doesn't even cover what was in the house itself! Probably a good time for a brief outline, since I've been rather quiet over the last few months. Currently what resides in Oregon are the (physically) larger (and most significant IMHO) components of the Computer Garage collection. The PDP8 and PDP11 systems, the VAX 11/780, and various boxes of supporting equipment and documentation. Overall, about 16 to 18 six foot tall DEC racks of gear, plus the boxed items, and various unknowns stuffed in there by the (supposedly helping) relatives after I departed. By numbers, I would say that apx. 60% to 70% of the overall collection made the move with me. The remaining items are sitting in a 10'x 20' space, so should fit into a single (large) truck. One with a lift gate hopefully... More of the story later... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

22 years, 9 months

Write only programming

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Christopher Smith wrote: > > > few time...) then again there's no way to include comments... > > Sure there is -- just don't run them ;) > B4 02 B2 44 EB 11 54 68 69 73 20 69 73 29 61 20 > 63 6F 6D 6D 65 6E 74 CD 21 > Or for the disassembly challenged: > MOV AH, 2 > MOV DL, 'D' > JMP over > DB 'This is a comment' > over: INT 21h In fact, that appears to be precisely what I had in mind. The obvious problem being that it takes up space in the image... Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Shipping Big Iron & Rail Right-Of-Way Abandonment

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > But all that line is not greeway, replete with joggers... But all that line is *now* greenway.... <sheesh>, gotta learn to type...

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Symbolics transport (was: Re: Getting Unix to run on a PDP-11/34)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:21:24 +0100 (CET) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hans_H=FCbner?= <hans(a)Huebner.ORG> writes: > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com wrote: > > > > > I sure hope this is the last word on this, as > > > I'm not experiencing Farfignugen here folks . . . > > > > You mean fahrvergnugen? > > He means Fahrvergn|gen (or Fahrvergnuegen for the Umlaut-imparied) > :) > > -Hans Ya! Ya! Danke shoen! (Okay, I flunked 1st year German. So sue me. :^) Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Symbolics transport (was: Re: Getting Unix to run on a PDP-11/34)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Aw, okay: Auf English-- 'Station Wagon'. And to think there was a time when I was *convinced* a 'Kombi' was a 'crew-cab' (four-door pickup truck). Then I surmised it was a van, or something similar (like a volkswagen bus, for example). Both wrong! I sure hope this is the last word on this, as I'm not experiencing Farfignugen here folks . . . On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:14:22 +0100 (CET) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hans_H=FCbner?= <hans(a)Huebner.ORG> writes: > One of the classic "Kombi" style german cars is the Volkswagen Passat > Variant, > which you can see at > http://www.autobischof.ch/autobischof-vw-passat-variant-600x359.jpg > > -Hans > > -- > finger hans(a)huebner.org for > details > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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test-drb March 2002