January 2002 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

Wait! There's more including MS-DOS 1.25!!!! was Sanyo MBC-550 (Yuck!) software available

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I'm still digging. I found more 550 stuff. I think this is everything that came with the 550. Here's a chance for you 550 owner's to get the whole set at one shot! Original DS-DOS box and invoice. Original Sanyo Easywriter ver 1.3 disk Original Sanyo disk box with 550 dos ver 2.11 and BASIC 1.25, two original Sanyo disk for InfoStar (set B disk 2 and 3 of 4; disks 1 and 4 are below), original Sanyo disk for DOS 1.25 and BASIC ver 1.1 Original Sanyo disk box with all three original disk of set A, WordStar and CalcStar and a backup copy of DS-DOS. Two card board dummy disks used to protect the floppy drives duing shipment. Joe > >A few weeks ago we were talking about the Sanyo 550 series and someone mentioned one of the alternates operating systems that supported 80 track drives in the 550. I said that was DS-DOS by Michtron. > > Today I found an old Sanyo disk package with four disks for the 550. One of them is DS DOS 2.11, one is InfoStar, one is MailMerge/SpellStar and the other is a disk of misc utilities. The first three are original disks. In additon, the InfoStar, MailMerge/SpellStar are Sanyo labeled disks that came with the 550. If anyone wants them, trade me something I can use and they're all your's. > > Joe

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Quadram Quadboard

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Does anyone have docs for this beastie? it's an apple-II on a card that goes into an XT... or does anyone have any interest in it? it's been sitting on my shelf for ~ 12 years now...

17 years, 8 months

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Osborne OCC1

by CochraneS＠sgstool.com

I have come across an Osborne model OCC1 Serial # 134033. This unit has the 300 baud modem. It also has 5 1/4 disk with it. (SuperCalc, WordStar, Qbasic) The unit boots up and runs the software but after about 15 to 20 minutes it starts to overheat.(smoke) My question is - What is the selling price for a unit like this and where would be the best place to sell it? Thanks for your help, Steve Cochrane Director of Information Technology SGS Tool Company PO Box 187 Munroe Falls, OH 44262 (330)686.4194 ########################################### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.F-Secure.com/

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Interesting Book: "The Digital Dictionary"

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Yesterday I finally got a couple books I'd gotten on eBay a couple weeks ago, obviously "VAXcluster Principles" is an interesting book, but I was surprised how good of a book "The Digital Dictionary" is. I got the 2nd Edition (the first was mainly internal use). It's a dictionary of all the different terms that were in use around 1986. As such it contains info on the PDP-10, PDP-11, and VAX, as well as DECmate's, Rainbows, and Professionals. As well as the Apps, Languages, and OS's. Great book if you want to know what a specific term or acronym means. Well worth picking up if you are in to DEC stuff and can find a copy! Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

22 years, 10 months

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Info on the Dynalogic Hyperion

by lbutzel＠home.com

Looking for info on the Dynalogic Hyperion, a "portable" DOS machine manufactures around 1983. At least the one I have is 1983. it was designed and initially built in Ottawa, Canada. Hyperion was acquired in about 1983 by Bytec, who was later bought by I think a Quebec company called Comterm. Anyway, mine has stopped working: The machine still boots but no image is displayed on its 7" diag screen. Hence I am looking for service info and/or persons who have worked on the machine. Any leads would be most appreciated. Leo Butzel Seattle, WA lbutzel(a)home.com

22 years, 11 months

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Plato terminal

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> This is two years late, but the terminal the original poster describes > sounds like an IST (model 1), a CRT-based CDC product, vintage about 1978. > There was a later edition called the IST-II, also CDC. It had two 8" drives > and a Z-80 CPU, as well as connectivity to CDC PLATO mainframe systems, > either by dialup modem (1200 bps) or multiplexer. Actually, I was the original poster; a reply to me mentioned the terminal you're describing. > The IST is not the oldest PLATO terminal, but it is the oldest that CDC > manufactured, I suspect. Even my PLATO IV (Magnavox, 1971) is not the > oldest, but only the first mass-produced machine. The earliest ones date to > about 1961 and there are probably only two or three still in existence, if > we're lucky enough to have that many. A precursor to these would be Norman > Crowder's Auto-Tutor, vintage about 1958, which has characteristics very > similar to the PLATO terminals (though it is not a computer terminal, it > operates on filmstrip media), and PLATO's mechanisms are said to have been > influenced by this machine. It's one of the mid-70s Magnavox plasma displays I'm looking for... Say, are you able to connect to NovaNET with the magnavox terminal? if so, we should meet for a game of Empire or Avatar some time (although I'm sure you'll wipe me out).... or maybe a more civilized game of chess... Regards, -doug quebbeman

23 years

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VAX 11/730 Problem

by ms＠silke.rt.schwaben.de

Hello to all VAXenfolks, i do have a problem with a VAX-11/730 that i have reconstructed (cleaned, resoldered, replaced cable, everything. Pictures on www.vaxcluster.de. Yes, i am a bit proud of it... But sorry for the bad web-page design!) over the last few months. It is now willing to boot and tries to load it's microcode tape from the TU-58 drives. I even have a microcode tape which looks like it could be still readable. But the TU-58's are so battered that i have not been able to read the tape. I have repaced the rubber rollers, but the read/write-heads look, ummm, bad! I have found somewhere some TU-58 simulator software for DOS which looks like a promising alternative; i would place a mini-DOS-computer inside a VT-102 and route some additional cables to the VAX and bee fine. BUT: How do i get the contents of the microcode tape of the tape, into a DOS file without access to a working TU-58? Is someone on this list able to read the tape? Has someone already made a tape image i could just use? I mean, i have a original DEC tape, with serial number and all. I might even come up with a license document, if i search long enough... Any help would be greatly welcomed. This old lady is just to beautifull to use it as an electric heater only... Thank you ms -- Michael Schneider email: ms(a)silke.rt.schwaben.de Germany http://www.vaxcluster.de People disagree with me. I just ignore them. (Linus Torvalds)

23 years

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Anything special about converting VAX 11/780 to single phase?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, just to be sure, I would simply put all three phases on the same single phase. Are there any problems with that? The VAX 6000 is much pickier, but the VAX 11 and everything having the simple power distribution box should be fine, right? thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

23 years, 2 months

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Almost on topic - Cassette I/O

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

I am building a FPGA ( Field programmable gate array ) computer in the style of the early computers that had a front panel and TTY for I/O. While I don't have have a front panel working the Hardware serial bootstrap does work on my prototype. Since I have a few LOGIC cells left in my FPGA to play with I was thinking adding a cassette interface. Does anybody know of schematics on the web that I can get ideas from. Ben Franchuk. -- Standard Disclaimer : 97% speculation 2% bad grammar 1% facts. "Pre-historic Cpu's" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk Now with schematics.

23 years, 3 months

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Diablo 3200

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Mon, 14 May 2001, George Leo Rachor Jr. wrote: > Stay of execution on this Diablo 3200..... > > We have bought a bit of time as my wife has convinced them not to hack it > up until I get to see this critter. Cool! > Obviously we have no software for the machine and I'm assuming you don't > either. Actually, I do. I got the original OS disks as well as a bunch of floppies with various bits of accounting type software and useless data. > The computer recycler has agreed not to remove the original components > until it can be determined if the box is usuable in some rudimentry > function as is. (They were going to gut the original components and > replace the guts with something more modern). Silly. Were they planning to use the same CRT and keyboard? I don't know how. If all they wanted was a nice desk for a computer then maybe they should go to Office Depot? > Now the challenge is to find software that might boot the machine up. I can make copies for you. Mine supposedly boots. Here is a picture of mine. http://www.siconic.com/computers/Diablo%203200.jpg Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

23 years, 3 months

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What Computer is This and Who is This Guy?

by d_l_mcd＠hotmail.com

Here's a picture from 1966 of an IBM computer at the IBM computing center on Manhattan (New York City, New York USA). The text for the photo says that the computer is being used to make a payroll calculation. Visible are 4 big-fridge-sized reel-reel tape devices, the console with operator seated at it, and some other things in the background. What's the computer model? Does anybody know who this guy (operator) is/was? Just a neat photo. It's about a 150k jpg file at this url: http://www.sover.net/~danm/computer_room.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

23 years, 4 months

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Atari PC3000

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I saw one of these yesterday. It looks like a monitor with floppy drive in the bottom, at the back was a plug for the power and another labelled video. I could not see anyplace for a keyboard to be attached. Does anyone know anything about this machine? Collector of Vintage Computers (www.ncf.ca/~ba600)

23 years, 4 months

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Power Series

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Well, on one hand, yes, but on the other hand, I like my > Indigo 2 Elan with > > no texture memory just fine. I'm also considering trying > I didn't know you had another SGI box ;) Yep. > A couple people I've known who ended up with old SGI gear thought they > were going to create some kind of fancy animations with this kind of > hardware, so I never know what to think now. Depends on what you mean by "fancy animations." It will probably do better out of the box than most new peesees depending on what you'd like to animate. (and whether it requires texture memory, of course) Both of my SGIs, for instance, have analog video in/out, which is a start. On the other hand, you can't really do a good animation with anything "out of the box." It usually takes a lot of strange stuff. The graphical prowess of the machines is still something, though. For instance, the ability of the machine to provide individual color-maps for different windows on the screen, without the nasty palette-flashing that's seen in xfree86 on an intel box (for example) when you try the same... > Sounds like you at least have an original VGX chassis then. > It is possible > someone upgraded some of the boards, but the only way you'll > be able to > tell is to pull them and cross reference the part numbers. I'm thinking about doing that. The label on top of the chassis actually says "4D/440 VGX" or something to that effect. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 4 months

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SCSI Question

by blstuart＠bellsouth.net

I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's for my SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old. To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the termination. There's a nice little adapter out there but it's got female connectors on both ends. I could try to assemble something with gender changers, but I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on the drive for a Frankenstien that I'm not even sure would work. So my question is, does anyone know where to find an adapter with male connectors? Or, for that matter, has anyone dealt with this sort of thing and have a better suggestion? Thanks in advance, Brian L. Stuart

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OT: PayPal = payola?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Interesting one here... While composing a reply in Outlook 2001 (on a Mac OSX 10.1.2), I wrote 'PayPal'. Since I have the program check spelling before sending :-) it came up and thought I meant to write 'payola' instead of PayPal. Think M$ is trying to say something? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Archiving Apple II disks

by paul＠wccnet.org

The Macintosh can archive Apple II 3.5" disk with Disk Copy, but I prefer to use an Apple II native archiving format for all my Apple II disks. I use ShrinkIt v3.4 to create both 5.25" and 3.5" Apple II compressed disk images, and transfer the files over a serial link to a PC. There they can be recorded onto an ISO 9660 CD-ROM. The files can be transferred back to an Apple II and converted to a real disk again. I have transferred over 25MB of Apple II disk images this way. On the PC the ShrinkIt files can be manipulated with Nulib and Mapper to create .DSK images to use with emulators. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

23 years, 5 months

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I need an RM03...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I need an RM03, preferrably within sane driving distance of Peoria, IL. Having a KS10 as a paperweight is absolutely no fun. I can trade PDP-11 stuff for one, I have all sorts of 11 kit that I'd be more than willing to trade for KS10 stuff. Also, if anyone has the 120V-AC plug that goes in a TM02, I am short one of those as well - I have the 220 volt version (but the rest of the drive is all 120 volt parts; Odd!) Basically, I'm sick of using the KS10 as just emulation validation and I want to get it running. ^_^ -------

23 years, 5 months

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Is this a IBM RT mouse?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 28, Doc wrote: > > Yup, that's it! Anyone claimed it yet? I'd like it for my RT. > > I think, therefore I am dangerous > > Well, I fired off an email asking for it Saturday, and haven't heard > back. So, I hope *I* got first dibs.... Me too. We could all meet somewhere and fight for it. :) -Dave, grunt grunt -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 5 months

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Ancient "toy computer"

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Okay, in order to pose this question I have to come clean here and admit my age: Right around 1960 or '61 (I was five or six years old at the time) I was given a toy computer. I suppose it was meant to represent a mainframe (what else could it have been, given the era?) and there was a rectangular (4 x 8? 5 X 7?) array of blinkenlights on the front of it. There was also a tray in the front which accepted a small punched card. A set of these cards came with the toy. Each card had a multiple-choice question printed on it, as well as four answers to choose from, numbered A through D. Additional card sets could be purchased separately. When a card was placed into the tray and the tray was then closed, the blinkenlights would display a "random" pattern for a couple of seconds (always the same pattern) and then the array would display the correct answer to the printed question, A B C or D. It didn't take long for me to be able to read the holes in the cards, and I even "modified" a couple of them so that the toy displayed an incorrect answer. Does *anyone* remember this thing? It must have cost a few bucks back then. What was it called? Glen 0/0

23 years, 5 months

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Screwed Again! Property dispo stuff...

by root＠diablonet.net

> * I also picked up an HP-IB looking cable with a Commodore > logo on it. If I remember correctly, these were used to connect > peripherals to some old Commodore systems (I don't really follow > them). It looks like it is totally unused in original bag. If anyone > wants it, let me know. I pretty much grabbed it with the express > purpose of offering it to the list, as old micros aren't really my > thing. It's free as well for the price of shipping, I guess. Well, a very kind soul has informed me that this cable is a quasi rare item used to connect peripherals to Commodore PET systems, and apparently that they are worth a bit of money ($50-80). So, before I just end up giving this thing away to the person lucky enough to nail me on a "first come, first serve" basis, does anyone have any ideas on how to make this part available to anyone who may be interested in it in an at least marginally equitable fashion (if multiple people are interested)? If nobody's interested, then I'll just hang onto the thing -- I'm sure somebody might run into the need for one sometime in the future. Otherwise, if you want it, just shoot me an e-mail and let me know -- i'll wait a little while and see how many people are interested, and we can go from there... I don't mean to offend anyone by kind of retracting my original offer -- I just want to give everyone who may be interested in the part an equal chance at grabbing it irrespective of "luck of getting to me first". I'm still not looking for a fortune here -- if anyone wants to cover my costs on the cable (I paid $5), that would be cool, if not, and you're the only person interested, well, I still wouldn't be adverse to just handing the thing out. Kind regards, Sean -- Sean Caron http://www.diablonet.net scaron(a)engin.umich.edu root(a)diablonet.net

23 years, 5 months

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[PDP8-Lovers] Re: if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by jones＠cs.uiowa.edu

Mark Crispin <MRC(a)CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote: > Stacks are very useful, but they are not the solution to everything. Absolutely agreed. > One of the biggest deficiencies of C is its lack of co-routines, since > it only has the stack style of subroutine calling. Yeah, I know about > setjmp/longjmp, but those are one-way, not true co-routines. Well, setjmp and longjmp are pretty powerful. see http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/opsys/threads/ for a machine-independent user-level thread package implemented in C using setjmp and longjmp for control transfers between threads. It comes very close to what a real coroutine afficianado would like. (Writing the thread launch code in a machine independent way was murder.) Curiously, the same thing can be done without longjmp()! I had a student write me a thread package in Pascal once. All he needed was a mechanism to convert pointers to integers and back again (easy enough in standard Pascal, so long as it doesn't check variant records). Given this, his code did essentially the same thing as my thread package. > Of course, talking about co-routines to youngsters is likely to get > their eyes to glaze over, since they won't have a clue as to what I'm > talking about. Indeed. Doug Jones jones(a)cs.uiowa.edu

23 years, 5 months

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Computer Museum of America on Tuesday night's PBS NOVA (fwd)

by vcf＠vintage.org

FYI... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:46:19 -0800 From: David Weil <dweil(a)computer-museum.org> Subject: Computer Museum of America on Tuesday night's PBS NOVA Last April, a film crew from Boston came to Computer Museum of America at Coleman College to film the staff operating several machines in the Museum collection. See the results this coming TUESDAY night on PBS NOVA at 8pm. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 5 months

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Free "classic" junk in SF bay area

by pcw＠mesanet.com

1 Shugart SA801 8" floppy drive 1 IBM 5151 AT computer 10 Reels 9 track tape - used... 1 VOXPC ISA voice synth Free for pickup in SF bay area... Peter Wallace

23 years, 5 months

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Fred Cisin wrote > In place of current accepted sloppy terminology, > how many remember what they were called THEN? Most of the engineers I work with have never heard of Amphenol or Cannon, let alone "blue range" or "red range" (popular Cannon connectors) It's a classic chicken and egg thing. Ampenol connectors were adopted as a "standard" connector for Centronics printer, IEEE-488 and SCSI interface, but are often mis-named. As I don't have an Amphenol catalogue to hand, I'm afraid I can't tell you what Amphenol's designation is for this connector. On the subject of D-sub connectors I've sometimes come across some with metric threaded jackscrews instead of the usual UNF thread, or is it UNC ? Chris Leyson

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Nuclear Data 66?

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>Has anyone ever heard of Nuclear Data? I found this cool-assed computer >today. It's an all-in-one unit (CRT/keyboard/diskdrive/CPU) and is fairly >big (say, as big as an IBM Datamaster, bigger than a PET). Yes. I saw one recently in a big pile of equipment SwRI was surplussing. I couldn't divert it from the surplus stream. It was supposed to go to a surlpus dealer around here, whose name is on a piece of paper on my desk, which is bad news because I may never see it again. I can excavate if you need it, no promises though. Don't recall whether it was a '66. It seemed to have some o-scope or data acquisition type functions on it as well as computer stuff - I did not look closely. - Mark

23 years, 5 months

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Another Nile in North East

by dancohoe＠oxford.net

There's another Nile with 4 large racks of drives in a scrapyard in Ottawa. I doesn't look like it's been there long. I should have spent more time checking it out. Likely Mike Kenzie could take a look at it and report back since I only get to Ottawa occasionally. Please see my post to follow with questions on the Pyramid 90x. Dan Cohoe

23 years, 6 months

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Also, has anybody ever run a VAX11 in PDP mode for real? Sound > pretty wild to me to spend so much money only to not use the > virtual memory. The only use of the vax11's pdp11 compatibility mode that I've ever heard of was to run RSX-11 binaries under VMS. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 6 months

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Netscape (was Re: PayPal = payola?)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Doc > <<<<<clipped>>>>> > But I think that in a day or 2 I'll probably be tied for the > *smallest* classic Unix box in the house. Part of this weekend's haul > was an SE/30, I found an ethernet adapter today, and I went to storage > this evening and dug out the 4M 30-pin SIMM stash. A/UX here I come.... > > Doc > ------- Doc --- Well, if I have my way, my Gateway Handbook will be a smaller Unix box... 10" x 6" x 1.5" ;-) And it just squeaks by 10 years old too ( I think, maybe 9...) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

23 years, 6 months

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Docs for Sonic IIci/SE30 Ethernet?

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I need the jumper settings. The base card has 2 3-pin jumpers, J4 and J5. J4 is labeled A and 9, and J5 isn't labelled. The daughtercard has 2 18-pin (I think, maybe 20-pin) DIP sockets, labeled AUI & BNC, and the AUI socket has a DIP module that looks like a straight jumper block. I've got OS 7.1 installed, and "Ethernet Inside" sees the card, but it fails all tests. I'm not willing to go for the "hosed" option yet. And no, of course there's no part number anywhere. It has a right-angle PDS pass-through, what looks like an empty FPU socket, and AUI & BNC connectors. Thanks, Doc

23 years, 6 months

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1520 plotter (was RE: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!)

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 29 January 2002 20:08 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: 1520 plotter (was RE: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!) > > Let me see if I get this. Somebody is stripping a useable (or > at least > repairable) plotter becsue the packing box is falling apart??? Calm down Tony :) I'm not stripping it because the box is tatty; I'm stripping it because it's a) bust and b) more use to someone else as spares than it is for me since I've already got 2 in the museum and don't need a 3rd broken one... a

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

I hear mixed messages about that. Is there someone who knows, and not only if any, but also which version of UNIX would run? I want to give it a shot. Also, has anybody ever run a VAX11 in PDP mode for real? Sound pretty wild to me to spend so much money only to not use the virtual memory. cheers, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

23 years, 6 months

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Low cost Thin Film Thickness Measurement System

by foo＠siconic.com

On 1 xxx -1, Sales(a)MissionPeakOptics.com wrote: > visit our website www.MissionPeakOptics.com for more information Time to restrict access to subscribers only. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 6 months

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Bell & Howell Apple II update

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Monitors of the time, at least of the NTSC-compatible > type, were typically equipped with PL-259 connectors > on the rear. Not true, at least in the video industry. >By the time consumer video equipment became popular, > the PL-259, which was also common in the '70's for other > 75-ohm applications e.g. antennas and the like, had been > replaced by the 'F' types in video hookups, since those > were MUCH cheaper. The PL-259 was in use primarily for carrying VHF and UHF signals, not baseband video. The PL259/SO259 was originally designed in the 1940's to carry the then high resolution 3.5MHz 405 line baseband video signal. They remained as the connector of choice, at least in europe, until the 70's when the more compact BNC took over. Patch pannels were, and are still, mostly Musa as they are easy to (un)plug even when packed closely. As I said, I may be sorry to have chimed in on this nearly off-topic conversation, but when I see blanket statements being made that are obviously incorrect I have a hard time remaining silent. Ah, ok. 8^)= Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

23 years, 6 months

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S/370 docs (was: Re: IBM big iron.)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Now why can't anyone ever say "Hey, I have 4381, 3380, and 3880 docs to get rid of... Want em?" It sucks owning what is essentially 3000+ pounds worth of paperweights. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

23 years, 6 months

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I just got a VAXstation 3200 today for about $15... Amazingly enough, it boots up to VMS 5.3-1 (can't log in though.) Can anyone recommend a good guide for using VMS that's either avalible at a good book store or (preferred) availble online? Specs: 8 line serial card (forgot to look at the model #), TK-50 controller (didn't grab the drive, but might do that tomorrow..), 8-plane framebuffer, 2x8M QBus memory cards, 2x760M ST-506 interface hard drives, DELQA ethernet, KA650-B cpu card, (and that's about all I think...) pics at http://purdueriots.com/imgs/vs3200-back-lores.jpg and http://purdueriots.com/imgs/vs3200-front-lores.jpg -- Pat

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S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)

by aek＠spies.com

>While the offer to scan them was certainly noble, I really wouildn't expect >anyone to actually do it. We're talking about perhaps 10,000 pages of >documents here! Assuming they're loose sheets, it can be done in a few days. I scanned 15000 pages of HP 2100 docs last week in less than a week working a few hours per day. Scan cleanup and pdf conversion is the bottleneck right now.

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HP 9000 800/G40 battery?/cable

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Brown [mailto:bbrown@harper.cc.il.us] > The batteries are supposed to keep ram intact for a SHORT duration > power failure...20 seconds might be longer than they would > last..especaially since > they are probably 10 year old batteries. > It's definetly NOT a full ups system. Ok, when I turn the system on afterwards, all lights -- including the battery charging light -- flash. I've assumed that this is just a test. In that case, shouldn't the batteries need recharged, and the battery light stay on for a while after this? It does not. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Packrat genome project questions

by mhstein＠canada.com

First computer used: IBM 604 & assorted peripherals (If that counts). If not, then a Burroughs B260. First one owned: Original blue-trimmed 8K 2001 PET, w/ built-in tape & chiclet keys; still have it, with case/keyboard/memory upgrade. mike

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by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

> How many people on this list still have their 1st computer? > second? third? > every computer you ever used/owned? I've still got mine (ZX81) - fired it up last Sunday in fact :-) It wasn't the first machine I ever used though - a few years before I got the ZX81 one of my cousins lent my dad his MK14 for the weekend, and I spent most of one evening typing in the "lunar lander" program and playing that... that was my first experience of a computer. Since then I've had various machines - Spectrum (original 48K rubber keyboard thing, Spectrum+, Spectrum+ 128K), QL, Dragon 32, Atari ST, Memotech MTX512, Acorn Electron, BBC, BBC Master (4 of them!), C64, Vic-20 - the usual UK "home micro" collection I suppose. I'm slowly accumulating machines that I've used a lot of in the past - last week I got a VAXstation 3100 (the closest I'll come to owning an 11/785!), and I'm on the lookout for the following: CBM 4032, Sun 3/60, Sun 4/110, Sparc IPC, HP9000/725, RS/6000, Apollo DN300. I know where I can get an IPC and the HP, but the other Suns, the IBM and the Commodore so far remain elusive. There are a bunch of others that I've used, but no way would I ever have room for them (eg Burroughs B5800(?), AT&T 3B2, PDP-11/24) :-) As for all the PCs I've used or owned... nuff said. Although at college I remember our hardware lecturer getting all excited about the new thing from IBM in the corner - a "personal computer" that seemed very over-engineered and under-spec'd - 16K memory, odd "clicky" keyboard, long-peristence phosphor mono (green) monitor, no disks (cassette interface only!), ... we all thought it'd never catch on ... how wrong is it possible to be :) -- Al.

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> SWEET, an ESDI controller that does MSCP. Very nice. :-) What's even nicer is that he's got fairly big ESDI disks from the sounds of things. The biggest I've found is 300MB, but since I'm not using ESDI any more I don't mind. Zane

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S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

For what its worth, I have a full set of S/38 (5381) maintenance manuals, etc... Dumpster dived them one night. Will J _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, Pat Finnegan wrote: > > Wow, nice machine! :-) The ST506 MFM interface maxes out at > > 160MB...those are probably ESDI drives. And if they are, I'm > > jealous. :-) > > Could be ESDI... the 'boot monitor' (excuse my lack of knowledge of proper > terms) calls them RA81's (?!?!?). The connectors look like ST-506, which > is why I called them that. I didn't bother looking up that board when I > 'ripped' it apart (very carefully) for cleaning. Thanks to Gordon, I'm > gonna be getting a QT13 pertec controller, which will replace the TK50 > controller most likely. Ahhh, 9 track tapes. :) SWEET, an ESDI controller that does MSCP. Very nice. :-) > Any idea if I could put another QBUS KA650 card in here and make it > dual-cpu? I'm doubtful, but it'd be cool to try I think. Nope. These are uniprocessor machines. I believe there was a hack long ago that allowed the use of two KA630 boards in a system, but it didn't go very far, and I don't think it's possible with the KA650. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Computer Museum of America on Tuesday night's PBS NOVA (fwd)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Um? You don't have to. MacOS has AVI / DivX playback. So does Linux, and >presumably FreeBSD (avifile, xine, etc.). >Personally, I'd quite like a DivX version of the programme. AVI is a pretty loose term in the Windows world. I have TONS of AVIs I can't play on my Mac because of lack of the correct codec (and they don't exist on the mac at all). But then there are others that play just fine. Same goes with DivX, although at least there, the Mac isn't as left out (it tends to be a little behind the curve of DivX versions, but so far, I have been able to play most DivX movies). Personally, I am up in the air about DivX on the Mac. It makes VERY nice quality videos, in a very small size, but at least in my playing, lacks the ability to scrub thru the video. That means I can fast forward, but only blindly (I can move the playback marker forward, but the video will not update as I do, so it is random hunt and peck). For that reason, I much prefer MPEG, since you get decent quality and decent file size, and can scrub thru a video, so you can stop when you hit something interesting looking. I just don't like Muxed MPEGs, since I can't unMux them on the Mac, which means I can't burn then to VCD on the mac (Sparkle's MPEGSplitter doesn't seem to work on any of the muxed files I have tried, always errors out without even trying) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][)

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>Additionally, I've actually never seen a 3rd-party S-100 box that made >any >provision for video signal to an external monitor at all. I've tried to resist, but.... I had an Icom Attache, made by Pertec. It was basically an Altair 8800bt (Turnkey), with an integrated keyboard and video capabilities. It was in a nice case, kinda like a large Apple II case (which it was desinged to compete against). Composite video output used a BNC connector. Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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New Buy & VMS help wanted

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, Pat Finnegan wrote: > I just got a VAXstation 3200 today for about $15... Amazingly enough, it > boots up to VMS 5.3-1 (can't log in though.) Can anyone recommend a good > guide for using VMS that's either avalible at a good book store or > (preferred) availble online? > > Specs: 8 line serial card (forgot to look at the model #), TK-50 > controller (didn't grab the drive, but might do that tomorrow..), 8-plane > framebuffer, 2x8M QBus memory cards, 2x760M ST-506 interface hard drives, > DELQA ethernet, KA650-B cpu card, (and that's about all I think...) > > pics at http://purdueriots.com/imgs/vs3200-back-lores.jpg > and http://purdueriots.com/imgs/vs3200-front-lores.jpg Wow, nice machine! :-) The ST506 MFM interface maxes out at 160MB...those are probably ESDI drives. And if they are, I'm jealous. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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80 col Apple ][

by mhstein＠canada.com

Got my answer in the meantime (thanks, Frank); forgot about the digest delay, sorry. mike --- > Still no reply to my question about 80 cols on an Apple][ though; surely > there's somebody out there who has an answer?

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Looking for a WD 1001 55 Disk controller

by mhstein＠canada.com

In case it's useful, I have a controller card out of an external dual HD that sounds very similar, but made by Quality Computer Services in Metuchen, NJ. It has an N8X300I and a bunch of WD1100V series chips, all socketed, and a 40 pin interface connector (as well as the three HD connectors of course). mike ------Original Message------- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:01:43 -0700 From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> Subject: Re: Looking for a WD 1001 55 Disk controller The WD1001 is a board using the WD 1100 chipset supported with an 8x300/305-type microcontroller. Dick

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11/03 v 11/23

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, John Allain wrote: > I am thinking of getting a hacked LSI-11 > machine that somebody has. It has the chip > in it and an 18 bit bus (he thinks). Is it > then an '03, because of the smaller bus, or > is there some other criteron? > I tried two related DEC books (Microcomputer > Processors, Micro/PDP Handbook), one book is > 16 bit, the other 22, nothing on 18 so perhaps > my source is wrong? Nono...The 11/23 does 22-bit addressing, except for the very early revs of the KDF11-A board on which only 18 address lines were used. The 11/03 has 16 bit addressing only. When you say "the chip"...what chip are you talking about? If it has a 40-pin DIP with two square chip carriers on it, that's an F11...making it a pdp11/23. If it has a row of "ordinary" 40-pin chips, then it's a pdp11/03. Let us know what you find... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][

by mhstein＠canada.com

UNCLE! (And my apologies to the list for reviving a thread that had thankfully petered out; I shoulda known I'd wake up Richard). My only excuse is that I'm on the digest version & not always current. Goshdarn it, Richard, I was sort of agreeing with you that BNCs were not very common; all my monitors from that era also use UHF connectors for the industrial/CCTV ones, and RCA jacks for the computer monitors (but I didn't have the guts to challenge Tony's assertion that there were no computer monitors in the Apple][ era). Although others on the list apparently do have systems that actually have BNC connectors, I must confess that I based my assertion on the fact that both my Vector Graphics and Cromemco chassis have the distinctive 'D' cutouts for BNC connectors on the back panel, so I assumed that cards like the Dazzler either came with a cable to connect to a BNC jack, or it was expected that you made your own. I could install a BNC jack, though, and send you a picture. I think there's a scientific principle that says it's easy to prove that there are three-legged ducks if you have one, but to state categorically that they don't exist anywhere is not so easy to justify. Let's just say that in the computers of that day, if it could be done, somebody probably did it, and let it go at that (after you have the last word, of course :-). Still no reply to my question about 80 cols on an Apple][ though; surely there's somebody out there who has an answer? mike ---------------Original Message-------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:38:26 -0700 From: "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> Subject: Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][) I'd be really interested in knowing specifics about this, if you have them. I've got several S-100 boxes, and not a one has any accomodation for video signal from an internal source. I did, in the rar distant past, own a couple of systems, at least one of which was from Vector Graphics, <snip>

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Packrat genome project questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 29, 10:28, Mike Ford wrote: > How many people on this list still have their 1st computer? second? third? > every computer you ever used/owned? The very first computer I used was an Elliott 4100 which belonged to a large local bank. I was at secondary (high) school, and we wrote programs in Algol on coding forms, handed them in, and got printout back a week later. Usually it was an error listing, unfortunately. Well, it taught me the worh of desk testing and dry-running at an early age:-) I never got to see the computer, though. The school did have it's own Teletype (ASR33) and I got to admire that. If you ever come across a copy, the textbook we used was "Computer Programming for Schools: First steps in Algol", by Donald Michie, Andrew Ortony, and R.M.Burstall. The teacher thanked in the preface for class-testing the material was my maths teacher, and I still have my original copy of the book. It cost 10 shillings (50p, or about 70 cents) in 1969. The next machine I came across would have been one of the three PDP-8s at a high school where I worked as a technician about 1980. They had a PDP-8/E, and 8/F (I think), and one other which I can't remember, as well as a similar-sized HP. The 8/F was mounted on a frame with castors and often connected to a VDU; the 8/E was in a rack with two TU56s, and the other, called EDWARD (Electronic Device With Auxiliary Rotating Disks) was in a dual rack with a high speed papertape reader, a pair of RK05s, and some extra core. It also had a VDU and (wonder of wonders) a "fast" Anadex 8000 parallel printer. The 8/E ran one of the multiuser Edusystem OSs, though I can't remember which one; it had three ASR33s attached. I never got any of those machines, though I kept in touch with some of the enthusiasts amoung the staff. Some years ago, I was saddened to discover on a trip to help them with the 11/34 that replaced the -8s, that all the -8 stuff had been junked when it became too hard to look after. However, I now have a PDP-8/E of my own, though not as well endowed as the one at that school. The same school got an Apple ][ while I was there, and one of the early (pre-production) BBC Micros. I now have an Apple ][+ of my own, not from that school, but from one nearby. When I left that school to work as a microcomputer technician at a local college (run by the same Local Education Authority) I bought an Exidy Sorcerer. I sold that eventually, but kept in touch with its new owner for a while. I eventually got a replacement a few years ago. I used to use a converted TV with it, but eventually bought a little 9" mono monitor, which I still have (it's useful because it has a wide sync range and unusually large brightness and gain ranges). The college had several PETs, a few 2001's and several 3000 and 4000 series, some with a MuPET disk sharing "network". It was horribly unreliable, I remember, due to long ribbon cables, flaky connectors, and fairly awful software. I don't have any of those college machines, but I do have a 2001-8K and an 8050 dual drive, and used to have a 3032. My first printer was a Creed 7 teleprinter, with a Heath Robinson arrangement of mains transformers mounted on plywood, and a kludge board to convert current-loop to sort-of-RS232. I remember having great trouble finding 10_1/2" fanfold paper for it, as most paper by then was 11_1/2" wide. Luckily a friend who worked at the computer centre at oneof the banks got me some. The next problem was getting the right baud rate, so I made a little adapter to fit in the Sorcerer, so it generated 50 baud and 300 baud on the serial interface instead of 300 and 1200. The last problem was the character set -- 5-bit teleprinter code, not ASCII. I hand-assembled a driver to deal with that. I found the original tape the other day. Oh, and I remember removing some of the print hammers and modifying them so that by overstriking, I could do a reasonable impression of most of the characters in the uppper-case ASCII set. I inherited some money from a relative a year or two later, and replaced the TV with the monitor, and the Creed with a Centronics 737. I worked out how to make the 8039 MCU in the printer read an external ROM instead of the on-chip code, and turned my 737 into a 739 (the main difference is the ability to print graphics). I still have the printer. At the college, I got more interested in BBC Micros, and got two of my own. I sold the Sorcerer to pay for the first one, a Model A, and saved for a while to buy the parts to upgrade it to a Model B. Then I got another Model B, and much later another, and other models. Some time around 1984/85 I wired two rooms in the house with an Econet network for the Beebs. I don't have those original machines any more (I hope one day I'll catch up with the *** who borrowed Serial No. 629 and never returned it) but I have several of about the same age. In fact I've had (and still have) quite a lot of Acorn stuff, as evntually I went to work for them. I still have my first Archimedes, serial number 0000002. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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