15 Jan
2002
15 Jan
'02
3:33 p.m.
I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's for my
SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old.
To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the
conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with
high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive
to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only
IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the
termination. There's a nice little adapter out there
but it's got female connectors on both ends. I could
try to assemble something with gender changers, but
I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on
the drive for a Frankenstien that I'm not even sure
would work.
So my question is, does anyone know where to find an
adapter with male connectors? Or, for that matter,
has anyone dealt with this sort of thing and have
a better suggestion?
Thanks in advance,
Brian L. Stuart
15 Jan
15 Jan
4:08 p.m.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 blstuart(a)bellsouth.net wrote:
I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's
for my SPARCStation2
which is 10 years old.
To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the conclusion that I
need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with high byte termination to connect a
wide IBM SCSI drive to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only
IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the termination.
There's a nice little adapter out there but it's got female connectors
on both ends. I could try to assemble something with gender changers,
but I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on the drive for a
Frankenstien that I'm not even sure would work.
So my question is, does anyone know where to find an adapter with male
connectors? Or, for that matter, has anyone dealt with this sort of
thing and have a better suggestion?
See the comp.periphs.scsi faq, located here:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/scsi-faq/part1/
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/scsi-faq/part2/
Your question is answered in part 1 of the far in the section
"Can I connect a WIDE device to my narrow SCSI host adapter?"
If you find the faqs.org resources to be helpful, please see:
http://www.faqs.org/save_faqs-org.html
-Toth
16 Jan
16 Jan
3:29 p.m.
In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201160002240.2049-100000(a)strudel.invalid.domain>in>, To
thwolf writes:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 blstuart(a)bellsouth.net wrote:
I did find that helpful. It's part of how I came to believe
that I might have some hope with an adapter with high-byte
termination. Now if I can just find one with the right
genders...
Thanks,
Brian
So my question is, does anyone know where to find
an adapter with male
connectors? Or, for that matter, has anyone dealt with this sort of
thing and have a better suggestion?
See the comp.periphs.scsi faq, located here:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/scsi-faq/part1/
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/scsi-faq/part2/
Your question is answered in part 1 of the far in the section
"Can I connect a WIDE device to my narrow SCSI host adapter?" 
15 Jan
15 Jan
4:10 p.m.
get a Wide-Scsi SBUS controller? I've seen 'em relatively cheap on e-pay
and other locations...
At 11:33 PM 1/15/02 -0600, you wrote:
I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's
for my
SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old.
To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the
conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with
high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive
to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only
IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the
termination. There's a nice little adapter out there
but it's got female connectors on both ends. I could
try to assemble something with gender changers, but
I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on
the drive for a Frankenstien that I'm not even sure
would work.
So my question is, does anyone know where to find an
adapter with male connectors? Or, for that matter,
has anyone dealt with this sort of thing and have
a better suggestion?
Thanks in advance,
Brian L. Stuart
16 Jan
16 Jan
1:16 a.m.
most (possibly all) of those won't work in sun4c machines. For example, the
"Happy Meal" Fast Ethernet/wide SCSI controller prevents an SS2 from
booting...
Geoff Reed said:
get a Wide-Scsi SBUS controller? I've seen
'em relatively cheap on e-pay
and other locations...
At 11:33 PM 1/15/02 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's for my
>SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old.
>
>To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the
>conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with
>high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive
>to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only
>IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the
>termination. There's a nice little adapter out there
>but it's got female connectors on both ends. I could
>try to assemble something with gender changers, but
>I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on
>the drive for a Frankenstien that I'm not even sure
>would work.
>
>So my question is, does anyone know where to find an
>adapter with male connectors? Or, for that matter,
>has anyone dealt with this sort of thing and have
>a better suggestion?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Brian L. Stuart
- Dan Wright
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(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
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6:58 a.m.
--- Dan Wright <dtwright(a)uiuc.edu> wrote:
most (possibly all) of those won't work in sun4c
machines. For example,
the "Happy Meal" Fast Ethernet/wide SCSI controller prevents an SS2 from
booting...
I found that out the hard way. My SS2 gave way to a SPARCclassic as
a result...
-ethan
P.S. - and when the Classic died last year, it was replaced by a SS5-110,
and my hme/scsi-w card is still in use.
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9:50 a.m.
New subject: Decwriters
We seem to have a surfeit of Decwriters. Would anyone be interested in one?
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
12:12 p.m.
New subject: Decwriters
I think there's a Decwriter III and possibly a IV available.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, John Allain wrote:
Would it be hard to list the qty/models?
John A.
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
11:12 a.m.
New subject: Decwriters
I'd love to have a decwriter, but am darned near on the other side of the
country from RI. Any idea what shipping to US-80487 would be?
-Chris, the RetroComputing Nut
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 04:50 pm, you wrote:
We seem to have a surfeit of Decwriters. Would anyone
be interested in
one?
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
7 Feb
7 Feb
12:12 a.m.
New subject: Decwriters
I thought I'd pass along the status of the Decwriters:
Chris Smith Champagne, IL DW4
awaiting packing
Chris Craft Reno, NV DW3
awaiting quote and packing
Bruce Robertson DW2
awaiting qiuote and packing
Shridar NY DW3
awaiting shipping
Owen Robertson Tandy 6000 terminal
awaiting packing
Chandra Apple II+ parts
looking for spare keyboard
Chris and Bruce might want to contact Bill Donzelli as he's thinking
of heading West and could handle these easily, and it would help out
a listmember.
Also, we're expecting some Commodore and Apple IIe stuff in March if
anyone is interested.
5 Mar
5 Mar
9:31 a.m.
New subject: Decwriters
Bill donzelli is putting together a tripo west. you shoukld contact him
as he thinks he can carry the decrwriter.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Chris Craft wrote:
I'd love to have a decwriter, but am darned near
on the other side of the
country from RI. Any idea what shipping to US-80487 would be?
-Chris, the RetroComputing Nut
On Wednesday 16 January 2002 04:50 pm, you wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
We seem to have a surfeit of Decwriters. Would
anyone be interested in
one?
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
9:56 a.m.
New subject: Decwriters
Bill donzelli is putting together a tripo west. you
shoukld contact him
as he thinks he can carry the decrwriter.
This is still a good possibility, but anything going west or eastbound
would have to go on the trailer. Caccooning in shrinkwrap, as I posted
before, would be difficult but possible, as the DECwriters are dumb
shapes. I am open to hauling the things regardless - just keep in mind
that it will not ride inside the van.
So far the trip involves a stop in Chicago, a delivery in Denver, a stop
in Sun City West, a delivery in Los Angeles, and finally some foolishness
in San Francisco.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
3:22 p.m.
New subject: Decwriters
I can arrange to pick up at the Denver stop... it's only 5 hours' drive from
here.
Thanks again,
Chris.
On Tuesday 05 March 2002 16:56, you wrote:
Bill donzelli
is putting together a tripo west. you shoukld contact him
as he thinks he can carry the decrwriter.
This is still a good possibility, but anything going west or eastbound
would have to go on the trailer. Caccooning in shrinkwrap, as I posted
before, would be difficult but possible, as the DECwriters are dumb
shapes. I am open to hauling the things regardless - just keep in mind
that it will not ride inside the van.
So far the trip involves a stop in Chicago, a delivery in Denver, a stop
in Sun City West, a delivery in Los Angeles, and finally some foolishness
in San Francisco.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org 
4:03 p.m.
New subject: Mostek computers?
I didn't know that Mostek made an entire system? There is one at REPC that
someone dropped off. It has two 8" drives, and has a yellow and blue case.
It looks like an early vintage system but I don't know much about it. Is
anyone familiar with this computer?
E.
8 Mar
8 Mar
8:32 a.m.
New subject: Mostek computers?
The note on top of it says it's a Mostek SDB-80 Developement System.
Ernest wrote:
I didn't know that Mostek made an entire system? There is one at REPC that
someone dropped off. It has two 8" drives, and has a yellow and blue case.
It looks like an early vintage system but I don't know much about it. Is
anyone familiar with this computer?
E.
--
David C. Jenner
djenner(a)earthlink.net
6:21 a.m.
New subject: Decwriters
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, William Donzelli wrote:
Well, if you're coming through Oklahoma (but I don't think you are), you
could always drop one off at my place.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
I can arrange
to pick up at the Denver stop... it's only 5 hours'
drive from here.
Who else wanted a DECwriter, and where? 
7:06 a.m.
New subject: Decwriters
I can arrange to pick up at the Denver stop...
it's only 5 hours'
drive from here.
Who else wanted a DECwriter, and where? 
10:25 a.m.
New subject: Decwriters
Bill,
If they're free (or low cost, relatively speaking) I'd
like 2 in the S.F. Bay area. Is that on the route?
Thanks!
Lee Courtney
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I can arrange
to pick up at the Denver stop...
it's only 5 hours' drive from
here.
Who else wanted a DECwriter, and where?
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
12:46 p.m.
New subject: Decwriters
To everyone that asked me on or off list about the DECwriters, they are
not mine. They belong to RICM, so you must ask Merle. I know he has some
names already. I am just moving them, maybe.
I think Merle is giving the things away, but I will need to get money to
move the things.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
16 Jan
16 Jan
3:32 p.m.
In message <20020116151657.GB372299(a)uiuc.edu>du>, Dan Wright writes:
most (possibly all) of those won't work in sun4c
machines. For example, the
"Happy Meal" Fast Ethernet/wide SCSI controller prevents an SS2 from
booting...
Geoff Reed said:
> get a Wide-Scsi SBUS controller? I've seen 'em relatively cheap on e-pay
> and other locations...
Good to know. I had actually thought to look for one, but was
unaware of the compatibility problems. I may look to see
if there's one known to work with the SS2. But it's still
not my ideal solution since I'd have to find an external
case with a wide connector and I was hoping to install the
drive in one of the cases I already have.
Thanks,
Brian
1:18 a.m.
Try UltraSpec Cables (http://www.ultraspec.com/) -- they make cables and
adapters to go from (anything)->(anything else). A little expensive, but the
quality is fantastic...
blstuart(a)bellsouth.net said:
I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's
for my
SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old.
To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the
conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with
high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive
to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only
IDC50M to MD68M adapter I've found doesn't have the
termination. There's a nice little adapter out there
but it's got female connectors on both ends. I could
try to assemble something with gender changers, but
I'm afraid I'd end up spending more than I did on
the drive for a Frankenstien that I'm not even sure
would work.
So my question is, does anyone know where to find an
adapter with male connectors? Or, for that matter,
has anyone dealt with this sort of thing and have
a better suggestion?
Thanks in advance,
Brian L. Stuart
- Dan Wright
(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
-] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [-
``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan
6:22 a.m.
blstuart(a)bellsouth.net said:
> I'm going to claim this is on topic since it's for my
> SPARCStation2 which is 10 years old.
>
> To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the
> conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with
> high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive
> to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only
Some IBM drives have a jumper which will hard code the drive into narrow
mode. This might be an easy solution in which case all you would need is
the 50->68 pin adapter. Check the storage.ibm.com website as there are a
number of jumper documents there.
--
3:39 p.m.
In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201161420410.1401-100000(a)malacandra.localnet>et>, Paul
Thompson writes:
This one does have a jumper that disables target initiated wide
negotiation. I did try that and it didn't seem to help. The
docs I found also indicated that some of that model were shipped
with on-board termination. I tried jumpering the drive to
enable it, but that also didn't seem to help. I'd love to
hear that I'm just missing the magic jumpers, but so far no
combination I've tried works. The wierd thing is that the
drive doesn't even respond to the probe-scsi command from
the PROM monitor. But I plugged it into a wide interface
on a machine at work and all was well.
Thanks,
Brian
blstuart(a)bellsouth.net said:
> To make a (semi-)long story short, I've come to the
> conclusion that I need a SCSI1 to SCSI3 adapter with
> high byte termination to connect a wide IBM SCSI drive
> to the narrow SCSI controller in my SS2. The only
Some IBM drives have a jumper which will hard code the drive into narrow
mode. This might be an easy solution in which case all you would need is
the 50->68 pin adapter. Check the storage.ibm.com website as there are a
number of jumper documents there.
3:56 p.m.
In message <20020116151815.GC372299(a)uiuc.edu>du>, Dan Wright writes:
Try UltraSpec Cables (http://www.ultraspec.com/) --
they make cables and
adapters to go from (anything)->(anything else). A little expensive, but the
quality is fantastic...
They do have some good stuff, but I didn't find what I
was looking for. One one of their products, they suggested
that nearly all drives can do high-byte termination but
I can't find a way to do that on this drive.
Thanks,
Brian
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