December 2001 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

Wait! There's more including MS-DOS 1.25!!!! was Sanyo MBC-550 (Yuck!) software available

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I'm still digging. I found more 550 stuff. I think this is everything that came with the 550. Here's a chance for you 550 owner's to get the whole set at one shot! Original DS-DOS box and invoice. Original Sanyo Easywriter ver 1.3 disk Original Sanyo disk box with 550 dos ver 2.11 and BASIC 1.25, two original Sanyo disk for InfoStar (set B disk 2 and 3 of 4; disks 1 and 4 are below), original Sanyo disk for DOS 1.25 and BASIC ver 1.1 Original Sanyo disk box with all three original disk of set A, WordStar and CalcStar and a backup copy of DS-DOS. Two card board dummy disks used to protect the floppy drives duing shipment. Joe > >A few weeks ago we were talking about the Sanyo 550 series and someone mentioned one of the alternates operating systems that supported 80 track drives in the 550. I said that was DS-DOS by Michtron. > > Today I found an old Sanyo disk package with four disks for the 550. One of them is DS DOS 2.11, one is InfoStar, one is MailMerge/SpellStar and the other is a disk of misc utilities. The first three are original disks. In additon, the InfoStar, MailMerge/SpellStar are Sanyo labeled disks that came with the 550. If anyone wants them, trade me something I can use and they're all your's. > > Joe

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Quadram Quadboard

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Does anyone have docs for this beastie? it's an apple-II on a card that goes into an XT... or does anyone have any interest in it? it's been sitting on my shelf for ~ 12 years now...

17 years, 8 months

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Osborne OCC1

by CochraneS＠sgstool.com

I have come across an Osborne model OCC1 Serial # 134033. This unit has the 300 baud modem. It also has 5 1/4 disk with it. (SuperCalc, WordStar, Qbasic) The unit boots up and runs the software but after about 15 to 20 minutes it starts to overheat.(smoke) My question is - What is the selling price for a unit like this and where would be the best place to sell it? Thanks for your help, Steve Cochrane Director of Information Technology SGS Tool Company PO Box 187 Munroe Falls, OH 44262 (330)686.4194 ########################################### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.F-Secure.com/

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Interesting Book: "The Digital Dictionary"

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Yesterday I finally got a couple books I'd gotten on eBay a couple weeks ago, obviously "VAXcluster Principles" is an interesting book, but I was surprised how good of a book "The Digital Dictionary" is. I got the 2nd Edition (the first was mainly internal use). It's a dictionary of all the different terms that were in use around 1986. As such it contains info on the PDP-10, PDP-11, and VAX, as well as DECmate's, Rainbows, and Professionals. As well as the Apps, Languages, and OS's. Great book if you want to know what a specific term or acronym means. Well worth picking up if you are in to DEC stuff and can find a copy! Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

22 years, 10 months

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Info on the Dynalogic Hyperion

by lbutzel＠home.com

Looking for info on the Dynalogic Hyperion, a "portable" DOS machine manufactures around 1983. At least the one I have is 1983. it was designed and initially built in Ottawa, Canada. Hyperion was acquired in about 1983 by Bytec, who was later bought by I think a Quebec company called Comterm. Anyway, mine has stopped working: The machine still boots but no image is displayed on its 7" diag screen. Hence I am looking for service info and/or persons who have worked on the machine. Any leads would be most appreciated. Leo Butzel Seattle, WA lbutzel(a)home.com

22 years, 11 months

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Plato terminal

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> This is two years late, but the terminal the original poster describes > sounds like an IST (model 1), a CRT-based CDC product, vintage about 1978. > There was a later edition called the IST-II, also CDC. It had two 8" drives > and a Z-80 CPU, as well as connectivity to CDC PLATO mainframe systems, > either by dialup modem (1200 bps) or multiplexer. Actually, I was the original poster; a reply to me mentioned the terminal you're describing. > The IST is not the oldest PLATO terminal, but it is the oldest that CDC > manufactured, I suspect. Even my PLATO IV (Magnavox, 1971) is not the > oldest, but only the first mass-produced machine. The earliest ones date to > about 1961 and there are probably only two or three still in existence, if > we're lucky enough to have that many. A precursor to these would be Norman > Crowder's Auto-Tutor, vintage about 1958, which has characteristics very > similar to the PLATO terminals (though it is not a computer terminal, it > operates on filmstrip media), and PLATO's mechanisms are said to have been > influenced by this machine. It's one of the mid-70s Magnavox plasma displays I'm looking for... Say, are you able to connect to NovaNET with the magnavox terminal? if so, we should meet for a game of Empire or Avatar some time (although I'm sure you'll wipe me out).... or maybe a more civilized game of chess... Regards, -doug quebbeman

23 years

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VAX 11/730 Problem

by ms＠silke.rt.schwaben.de

Hello to all VAXenfolks, i do have a problem with a VAX-11/730 that i have reconstructed (cleaned, resoldered, replaced cable, everything. Pictures on www.vaxcluster.de. Yes, i am a bit proud of it... But sorry for the bad web-page design!) over the last few months. It is now willing to boot and tries to load it's microcode tape from the TU-58 drives. I even have a microcode tape which looks like it could be still readable. But the TU-58's are so battered that i have not been able to read the tape. I have repaced the rubber rollers, but the read/write-heads look, ummm, bad! I have found somewhere some TU-58 simulator software for DOS which looks like a promising alternative; i would place a mini-DOS-computer inside a VT-102 and route some additional cables to the VAX and bee fine. BUT: How do i get the contents of the microcode tape of the tape, into a DOS file without access to a working TU-58? Is someone on this list able to read the tape? Has someone already made a tape image i could just use? I mean, i have a original DEC tape, with serial number and all. I might even come up with a license document, if i search long enough... Any help would be greatly welcomed. This old lady is just to beautifull to use it as an electric heater only... Thank you ms -- Michael Schneider email: ms(a)silke.rt.schwaben.de Germany http://www.vaxcluster.de People disagree with me. I just ignore them. (Linus Torvalds)

23 years

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Almost on topic - Cassette I/O

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

I am building a FPGA ( Field programmable gate array ) computer in the style of the early computers that had a front panel and TTY for I/O. While I don't have have a front panel working the Hardware serial bootstrap does work on my prototype. Since I have a few LOGIC cells left in my FPGA to play with I was thinking adding a cassette interface. Does anybody know of schematics on the web that I can get ideas from. Ben Franchuk. -- Standard Disclaimer : 97% speculation 2% bad grammar 1% facts. "Pre-historic Cpu's" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk Now with schematics.

23 years, 3 months

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Diablo 3200

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Mon, 14 May 2001, George Leo Rachor Jr. wrote: > Stay of execution on this Diablo 3200..... > > We have bought a bit of time as my wife has convinced them not to hack it > up until I get to see this critter. Cool! > Obviously we have no software for the machine and I'm assuming you don't > either. Actually, I do. I got the original OS disks as well as a bunch of floppies with various bits of accounting type software and useless data. > The computer recycler has agreed not to remove the original components > until it can be determined if the box is usuable in some rudimentry > function as is. (They were going to gut the original components and > replace the guts with something more modern). Silly. Were they planning to use the same CRT and keyboard? I don't know how. If all they wanted was a nice desk for a computer then maybe they should go to Office Depot? > Now the challenge is to find software that might boot the machine up. I can make copies for you. Mine supposedly boots. Here is a picture of mine. http://www.siconic.com/computers/Diablo%203200.jpg Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

23 years, 3 months

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What Computer is This and Who is This Guy?

by d_l_mcd＠hotmail.com

Here's a picture from 1966 of an IBM computer at the IBM computing center on Manhattan (New York City, New York USA). The text for the photo says that the computer is being used to make a payroll calculation. Visible are 4 big-fridge-sized reel-reel tape devices, the console with operator seated at it, and some other things in the background. What's the computer model? Does anybody know who this guy (operator) is/was? Just a neat photo. It's about a 150k jpg file at this url: http://www.sover.net/~danm/computer_room.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

23 years, 4 months

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Atari PC3000

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I saw one of these yesterday. It looks like a monitor with floppy drive in the bottom, at the back was a plug for the power and another labelled video. I could not see anyplace for a keyboard to be attached. Does anyone know anything about this machine? Collector of Vintage Computers (www.ncf.ca/~ba600)

23 years, 4 months

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Power Series

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Well, on one hand, yes, but on the other hand, I like my > Indigo 2 Elan with > > no texture memory just fine. I'm also considering trying > I didn't know you had another SGI box ;) Yep. > A couple people I've known who ended up with old SGI gear thought they > were going to create some kind of fancy animations with this kind of > hardware, so I never know what to think now. Depends on what you mean by "fancy animations." It will probably do better out of the box than most new peesees depending on what you'd like to animate. (and whether it requires texture memory, of course) Both of my SGIs, for instance, have analog video in/out, which is a start. On the other hand, you can't really do a good animation with anything "out of the box." It usually takes a lot of strange stuff. The graphical prowess of the machines is still something, though. For instance, the ability of the machine to provide individual color-maps for different windows on the screen, without the nasty palette-flashing that's seen in xfree86 on an intel box (for example) when you try the same... > Sounds like you at least have an original VGX chassis then. > It is possible > someone upgraded some of the boards, but the only way you'll > be able to > tell is to pull them and cross reference the part numbers. I'm thinking about doing that. The label on top of the chassis actually says "4D/440 VGX" or something to that effect. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 4 months

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I need an RM03...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I need an RM03, preferrably within sane driving distance of Peoria, IL. Having a KS10 as a paperweight is absolutely no fun. I can trade PDP-11 stuff for one, I have all sorts of 11 kit that I'd be more than willing to trade for KS10 stuff. Also, if anyone has the 120V-AC plug that goes in a TM02, I am short one of those as well - I have the 220 volt version (but the rest of the drive is all 120 volt parts; Odd!) Basically, I'm sick of using the KS10 as just emulation validation and I want to get it running. ^_^ -------

23 years, 5 months

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Ancient "toy computer"

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Okay, in order to pose this question I have to come clean here and admit my age: Right around 1960 or '61 (I was five or six years old at the time) I was given a toy computer. I suppose it was meant to represent a mainframe (what else could it have been, given the era?) and there was a rectangular (4 x 8? 5 X 7?) array of blinkenlights on the front of it. There was also a tray in the front which accepted a small punched card. A set of these cards came with the toy. Each card had a multiple-choice question printed on it, as well as four answers to choose from, numbered A through D. Additional card sets could be purchased separately. When a card was placed into the tray and the tray was then closed, the blinkenlights would display a "random" pattern for a couple of seconds (always the same pattern) and then the array would display the correct answer to the printed question, A B C or D. It didn't take long for me to be able to read the holes in the cards, and I even "modified" a couple of them so that the toy displayed an incorrect answer. Does *anyone* remember this thing? It must have cost a few bucks back then. What was it called? Glen 0/0

23 years, 5 months

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[PDP8-Lovers] Re: if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by jones＠cs.uiowa.edu

Mark Crispin <MRC(a)CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote: > Stacks are very useful, but they are not the solution to everything. Absolutely agreed. > One of the biggest deficiencies of C is its lack of co-routines, since > it only has the stack style of subroutine calling. Yeah, I know about > setjmp/longjmp, but those are one-way, not true co-routines. Well, setjmp and longjmp are pretty powerful. see http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/opsys/threads/ for a machine-independent user-level thread package implemented in C using setjmp and longjmp for control transfers between threads. It comes very close to what a real coroutine afficianado would like. (Writing the thread launch code in a machine independent way was murder.) Curiously, the same thing can be done without longjmp()! I had a student write me a thread package in Pascal once. All he needed was a mechanism to convert pointers to integers and back again (easy enough in standard Pascal, so long as it doesn't check variant records). Given this, his code did essentially the same thing as my thread package. > Of course, talking about co-routines to youngsters is likely to get > their eyes to glaze over, since they won't have a clue as to what I'm > talking about. Indeed. Doug Jones jones(a)cs.uiowa.edu

23 years, 5 months

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Fred Cisin wrote > In place of current accepted sloppy terminology, > how many remember what they were called THEN? Most of the engineers I work with have never heard of Amphenol or Cannon, let alone "blue range" or "red range" (popular Cannon connectors) It's a classic chicken and egg thing. Ampenol connectors were adopted as a "standard" connector for Centronics printer, IEEE-488 and SCSI interface, but are often mis-named. As I don't have an Amphenol catalogue to hand, I'm afraid I can't tell you what Amphenol's designation is for this connector. On the subject of D-sub connectors I've sometimes come across some with metric threaded jackscrews instead of the usual UNF thread, or is it UNC ? Chris Leyson

23 years, 5 months

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Another Nile in North East

by dancohoe＠oxford.net

There's another Nile with 4 large racks of drives in a scrapyard in Ottawa. I doesn't look like it's been there long. I should have spent more time checking it out. Likely Mike Kenzie could take a look at it and report back since I only get to Ottawa occasionally. Please see my post to follow with questions on the Pyramid 90x. Dan Cohoe

23 years, 6 months

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Collections vs. accumulations, was Re: How many collectors?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Does anyone know what sort of machine is in the car's > > > onboard controller? A few pictures I've found make them > > > look like PC104's. These machines are hitting zero value > > > quickly and may not last 10 years unless picked up now. > > > > What car? They don't all use the same controllers, you know... > > Want a fuel injection "brain" from a 1968 VW Squareback? Had Bosch come up with EFI already by 1968? Every VW (and Audi & MB, etc) of that vintage that I've seen used CIS, which was a purely mechanical system. I have seen a 1969 Audi Super 90 (wagon) that had an aftermarket Capacitative Discharge Ignition (CDI) System... by 1974, Audis had those as stock, while CIS was still 1 year off... My 1986 Audi 5000 CS Turbo Quattro uses a Motorola 6802-based controller... very simple to upgrade, too.... ;-) -dq

23 years, 6 months

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Punch cards, punch & mag tapes (Toronto)

by mhstein＠usa.net

Sorry, a little overwhelmed by all this at the moment; will get back to ya. Ethan, AIM65 stuff is ready to go. John, still waiting to hear what you need for the Cromemcos. Will be off 'Net till Monday. mike ---------------Original Message----------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Punch cards, punch & mag tapes (Toronto) - --- "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> wrote: > Has anyone claimed these yet ? If not I will take them. I tried to. Haven't heard back. Don't know who the lucky winner is, but I suspect several people expressed interest. - -ethan

23 years, 6 months

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Stan Veit's History of the PC Books - Blow Out - $4 Shipped!

by MTPro＠aol.com

I have a number of brand new copies I'd like to move out. This is a super deal just for classiccmp subscribers. Please e-mail me! For more info on the book, see: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1289515294 Best, David David Greelish Classic Computing www.classiccomputing.com "classiccomputing" on eBay

23 years, 6 months

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VAX 6000-460 booting saga continues ...

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, after a quick excursion in getting a PDP8/A up and running (as far as that gets without any peripherals other than the programmers console :-), I'm now back to the big toy. The 6460 is still waiting to boot Ultrix. Recap: it's up and running from VMS 7.2 or VMX 5.6 from RA90 disks through KDB50 and KDM70. I don't have any working IP communication because the VMS 5.6 just doesn't have anything and 7.2 has MULTINET which just refuses to run with the old license key, nor with a cheat hack, nor with a hobbyist license key. So I'm now down to transferring files through modemspeed. (I could write a TK70 or 9-track tape at my workplace, but that's a hassle by itself, so I keep that as a last restort.) Luckily I have kermit on the VMS 7.2 so I have a convenient yet slow way of transferring files. I also have a boot tape from Isildur. That's Ultrix 4.1. That version seems to not support the 6400, it boots up until a certain point and then simply halts. I'm very sure it is *not* a tape read error and that the boot process fails somewhere after the VMB is loaded and probably at the point where vmunix is started. I assume it just can't get a hold of the console at that time to put out an error message and just dies. Even the primary ultrixload will dump an error message before it halts. The more recent developments: I also have an Ultrix-4.5 CD. But no CD ROM hooked to the VAX and no other VAX (InfoServer) with CD ROM and so I cannot boot that. I could possibly just write the CD ROM image onto a disk verbatim and fingers crossed boot from it. However, I cannot pump the 178 MB through the 9600 b/s line, or else I have to have that thing up for 2 days and two nights only for something that might just plain not work. Interestingly this CD is not an ISO file system but a simple UFS written to the CD in 10 kB blocks. FreeBSD's mount unfortunately cannot mount that. However, I just dd'ed an image onto disk and vnconfig - mount form there. It's read-only and disklabel doesn't make any sense out of it, but I can read everything just fine. Today's news: So, I decided I make myself a bootable tape from the reverse engineered Ultrix 4.1 boot tape and the new 4.5 files from the CD. The Ultrix boot tape comes with a vmunix that apparently has some sort of standalone memory root file system. Then it supposedly is able to set up a disk and install a dump backup onto that disk. That dump backup contains mkfs, disklabel, ifconfig, rcp, uncompress, and tar, so I have everything to set myself up even if the autoinstaller cannot deal with my hack. The boot tape I could read from VMS. $ MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCKSIZE=512/RECORD=512 MUC6 $ COPY MUC6: FILE.00 $ COPY MUC6: FILE.01 $ COPY MUC6: FILE.02 --> ERROR $ DISMOUNT MUC6: $ MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=10240/RECORD=10240 MUC6 $ SET MAGTAPE /SKIP=FILE:2 $ COPY MUC6: FILE.02 $ COPY MUC6: FILE.03 $ COPY MUC6: FILE.04 $ COPY MUC6: FILE.05 ... and so on. It's got some 40 or so files on it. What there files are we are being told from the ultrixload.c source code. FILE.00 is the ultrixload image, about 18 kB in size. Ultrixload is said to load either vmb.exe or a standalone kernel from a non-file structured device. The layout of the boot device is descibed as: FILE.00 - ultrixload FILE.01 - a combo consisting of - descriptor block 1 512 byte block - vmb.exe (optional) - vmunix (compressed if not a TK50) This magic descriptor block is described as: struct desc { union { char pad[512]; struct { struct exec x; /* a.out image header */ int nblks; /* num of 512 byte blocks on medium */ int vmbblks; /* size of VMB in 512 byte blocks */ int compressed; /* 1 = compressed, 0 = not compressed */ } d } un }; By loading the initial portions of the other files down to my BSD system and using file and stuff, I figured the other files: FILE.02 - the ROOT file system dump FILE.03 - an uncompressed tar of the instctl files (on the CD) FILE.04 - a compressed tar that is called ULTBASE450 on the CD FILE.05 - a compressed tar that is called ULTBIN450 on the CD ... and so on. The instctl tar begins with a file called ULT.image and that is just a list of files beginning with ROOT, ULTBASE, ULTBIN, that apparently correspond with the files on the tape in that order. So, my plan is to fiddle with files 0 and 1 only and keep the rest, as it should be compatible with the 4.5 kernel. That reduces the amount of data to transfer tremendously. Quickly I found that I have no ultrixload on the CD, so the old version will have to do. As I have strong indication that that works, I can leave it at that. Remains to work on file 1, that funny combo of descriptor, vmb.exe and vmunix. The tar file 4 (ULTBASE) contains a vmb.exe as well and so I could compare the two files that came with ultrix 4.1 and 4.5 respectively. They were both the same size and actually both the same. I successfully extracted another exact copy of vmb.exe using dd if=file.01 bs=512 of=vmb.exe skip=1 count=86 So, whatever VMB.EXE is for (sounds like a VMS boot block), I can reuse the old one. Given that I have a standalone vmunix, all I'd need to do is cut and paste that somewhere after block 86 to the end of file 1 with a few cat and dd operations. But here the problem starts. I cannot interpret the descriptor block very well. It tells me that the VMB.EXE is 86 blocks in size and that is exactly 44032 bytes, that corresponds with the actual size of the vmb.exe file from the tar archives. Good, but apparently the vmunix is not a complete piece. Apparently that descriptor block's a.out header slot actually holds the a.out header from the vmunix file and the vmunix file is right after the vmb.exe without it's a.out header. I also see a lot of 0 data in that region. So apparently I will have to fiddle with that a.out header and need to know just where to cut vmunix. That is a problem. I will try to figure that out somehow. My hunch is that the a.out block (which I haven't been fiddling with since I ported Kyoto Common Lisp to 386/BSD 0.1) allows for the executable to actually have some other stuff like that vmb.exe before the actual start of the executable image. I have no idea though what the purpose of this stupid vmb.exe is. All in all I'm optimistic. I'd love to make a boot tape with 4.5 Ultrix that I could then share with my friends (that is you) who also want to get their 6400s converted to Unix. As always I'd be thankful for any helpful ideas you might have. regards, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

23 years, 6 months

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Heath/Zenith stuff

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

------Original Message------ From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> --- Bill Gunshannon <bill(a)cs.scranton.edu> wrote: > Your thinking of the Heath H11 which was in fact an LSI-11/02. But it had It shipped as an LSI-11/03 CPU and heath made memory and IO. My H-11 came with a KDF-11 CPU (11/23), but I don't know if it was shipped that way or if my boss (who bought it new) upgraded it himself. Yep, never shipped with 11/23 (KDF-11A). It was discontinued by then if anything. I have a couple of the Heath serial cards (one unsoldered!), the H-27 disk controller, the 8" floppies and a pile of misc DEC cards (memory, BDV-11 boot card, etc). The heath seriial card was a fairly flexible card copared to the usual DEC DL-11. to debug the H-27 (he never used it). Except for the monsterous holes he blew in the side to mount additional fans, and the holes in the front he added for external console baud rate switches, it resembles its original form once again. The fans and switches were a common mod and handy too. Allison __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

23 years, 6 months

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Hep me!! scsi adapter DOS drivers (ot?)

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

--probably off topic... I am not sure of the age of the board but Adaptec seems to think it's not supportable any more... :^( Anybody have DOS ASPI drivers for the ADAPTEC AHA-1542CF?? Tis an ISA scsi card with floppy attach and I have it in a 486 machine ---------------------------------- The machine seems to be a 486dx in a "lunchbox" style case with color lcd. looks like a normal motherboard is inside.. goes by the name of PCIII, with no other markings as to MFG. Any one know anything about this?

23 years, 6 months

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VAX 6400 booting saga: how to transfer binaries to VMS with kermit?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I'm ripping my hair out over VMS (as usual). I have a little magic file that I need to transfer from PC to VAX. And kermit on both ends. I thought I knew how to use kermit, but no matter what I do, the file will never work as an executable on the VAX. It always complains about a corrupt descriptor block and it comes up too long. The file is exactly 2048 bytes long and when I send it it comes up as 5/6 blocks with DIR/SIZE=ALL. That is one block too many, isn't it? The funny thing is, when I do a round trip with kermit PC -put-> VAX -get-> PC, I get two identical files on the PC. But when I do VAX -get-> PC -put-> VAX of a working .EXE file on the VAX, I end up with a broken copy (same error.) So, what can I do? I have SET FILE TYPE BINARY on both sides. I'm so sorry for bothering you with my VMS ignorance, I greatly appreciate your patience and help. regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

23 years, 6 months

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Wanted: Tiger Learning Computer

by vcf＠vintage.org

I'm wanting to buy a Tiger Learning Computer from anyone who may have one they don't want. This was the kid computer released during Christmas of 1996 but only sold in limited numbers in the JC Penney 1996 Christmas catalog. It was Apple ][ compatible--it basically had enhanced Apple //e ROMs and used Flash ROM cards as an emulated Disk ][ drive. It had Appleworks built-in. Very nifty. I'm also open to trades. Any got one? This is my biggest want currently. :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 6 months

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by CLeyson＠aol.com

In a message dated 31/12/01 Tony Duell writes >> Most of the engineers I work with have never heard of Amphenol or Cannon, >Then I would suggest you're working with engineers who are not > particularly knowledgable about practical electronics. If they're (say) > mechanical engineers or civil engineers, then no problem. If they claim > to tbe electronic engineers I'd probably dispute that claim. I agree, last year they couldn't even build a set of LED Christmas tree lights without blowing them up, never heard of constant current drive !!! I'm not talking about graduates straight out of college but people who've been in industry for a few years. In the engineering department I work in there is only ONE other true practical engineer who lays out his own PCBs, is keen to learn about new and emerging technologies etc. He is, like myself, mostly self taught, and has a passion for this stuff - a rare breed these days. But there we are - pay peanuts and get monkies. > Far too many courses (in all aspects of science and engineering) miss out > the simple practical stuff. Without which the complicated stuff is essentially > useless.. Agreed, I believe any so called engineer should have a practical "hands on" experience in both hardware and software, after all if they don't understand the basics they are of little use. >> On the subject of D-sub connectors I've sometimes come across some with >> metric threaded jackscrews instead of the usual UNF thread, or is it UNC ? > I thought it was 4-40 UNC.... Thanks Tony, wasn't sure of the thread. > FWIW, the stnadard for HPIB jackscrews is M3.5 (metric). I've had to make > such parts on occasions. One HP manual I was reading recently said that > the instrument used metric screws on the connectors, and that a > conversion kit (presumably consisting of 2 jackscrews) was available for > converting older HPIB cables. So I assume that the original HPIB used UNC > jackscrews (probably 6-32). One day I will have to do a search for the original IEEE-488 standard just to see what they specify. I suspect that jackscrew threads are not part of the standard. Chris

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by Golemancd＠aol.com

i agree about the os but i dont agree on the attempt part dont attempt it. do it. a computer is not that complex of a machine at least a pc. an os is all theory and vision. u can think up an entire os away from any pc. u could then just go in and code the entire thing. the hard part is thinking up what it is that u want and how it has to work. the coding and so forth is the easy part. this is the exact project i am working on now joee

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Happy Holidays!

by vcf＠vintage.org

Happy Holidays! *<:) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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OT: Older inventory programs for home computers

by lgwalker＠mts.net

A local general purpose mechanic who mainly works on Ski-doos in the winter and pumps and everything else in the summer gave me a complete Adam (!) collecting dust on the shelf, when I told him I collect computers. He mentioned he could use an old box to keep track of his parts inventory if I had any spares. I volunteered to supply him with something that would serve simple needs thinking of everything from a C-64 to an A2 or an XT to a 386 and that there must be 100s of programs that would be available. And no I don't want to configure a Database program. I did a Google search and found only the newest Gee-Whiz Winblows 9x, 2k, XP, and OSX programs, and while I haven't searched Simtel, out of frustration I've decided to defer to the list about older programs to track inventory and if it also has billing and labour, so much the better. Any suggestions would be appreciated. It would serve as an example that older machines don't have to be delegated to land-fills. This area is in north- central Manitoba,Canada and not exactly a hotbed of technology. The temperature at present is -20 C, but the air is breathable. Lawrence Lawrence Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net

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One More PCB Dishwasher Question

by charlesleecourtney＠yahoo.com

Hi all, The thread on cleaning cards by running them through the dishwasher was timely as I am resurrecting an HP3000/XE. The system came from Pacific Pipe in Oakland and is the *filthest* system I have ever seen. The "computer room" on the second floor was left open to the work yard and all matter of dirt, dust, grime etc was sucked into the CPU, disc drive and tape. The CPU boards literally had a layer of grime covering them. Of course since this was an HP box it booted right up even though it was basically "clogged". Many of the HP cards have paper stickers indicating part number, revision, etc. Any thoughts on preserving these through a dishwasher cycle? Or should I just gently hand rinse? THanks! Lee Courtney __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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Engieers (was: Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by CLeyson＠aol.com

In replay to my moan about engineers not being able to build Christmas tree lights, Tony Duell writes: > Do you own a suitably large LART? I've given up with the LART, it just doesn't work - re-education is a better approach - but then it doesn't work on the brain dead. > I must have told the story of the 362.8 ohm resistor. In case I haven't, > it goes like this...... I used to own an 8in Shugart drive a long time ago. For some strange reason that I couldn't understand it was stuffed with E96 resisors. Perhaps they were cheaper than E24 ? > I've come to the conclusion that the best (electronic?) engineers and > programmers are all essentially self-taught. It's probably much the same > in all creative subjects. I'd agree > ......You may argue that much of engineering these days is not about making > things, and that engineers rarely need these skills (that is a separate rant)... I'd argue that engineering is all about making things. OK, perhaps engineers don't need practical skills so much these days, but an understanding of other engineering disiplines is essential. You have to be able to understand the "other guy's" point of view, whether it be hardware, software, manufacturing or management. Lawrence Walker wrote: > Well from what I've heard about the "father of electricity" and Henry Ford for > that matter, he would hire a bunch of "promising" engineers like Tesla, > take what they've already discovered, claim them as products of his own > and become a wold-famous inventor. And of course, like Marconi, become the > "inventor of Radio" which we are now celebrating, despite the fact that Tesla > won a court decision in US courts to his primacy with it. History is written by > the Victors. I hope you meant Faraday as the "father of electricity" and not Edison. As for Marconi, I'd say he "pioneered" radio engineering but wouldn't have got very far if it hadn't been for Hertz. I'm not sure how Tesla fits into the picture, he did invent the squirel cage induction motor but I'm not aware of any major contributions he made to radio engineering. Chris

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 31, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > The only place that I have EVER met any people who claimed to be > "engineers" who might "have never heard of Amphenol" would be some > university folk who have never set foot into the real world. Ahh, those "engineers" who don't know which end of a soldering iron gets hot. A fond memory from around 1991, while working for a small defense contractor in NJ, talking with a 2nd-year "summer slave" on loan from MIT (of all places!). I'd assigned him to write some data reduction code in FORTRAN for a remote sensing project, and later wound up having to do it myself: Me: "This program needs a lot of work." Weenie: "Hah! Where did *YOU* go to school? See here:" [weenie scribbles some incomprehensible equation on the whiteboard] Me: "I didn't. But I damn well know a REAL*4 on this VAX won't deal with the IEEE-format floating point numbers from the spectrometer without format conversion, for starters. Weenie: "WHAT?! [horrified look] You actually want to RUN this program?" Me: "Of course. Why the hell do you think I asked you to write it?" Weenie: "Isn't this just an exercise?" Me: "We are a defense contractor. We build machines to kill people. Look at the size of my gut...we NEVER exercise around here." Weenie: "Does this mean I have to type this program in, like on a computer?" Me: "No. You're fired." -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Try it!!!! (Was - Re: One More PCB Dishwasher Question)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Be sure of the result before you suggest. I used to also handle automotive product so I have a better than average knowledge of the ourcome. Allison From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, December 29, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Try it!!!! (Was - Re: One More PCB Dishwasher Question) >> But is not that change the same as going from COLD to HOT when you apply >> power to the chip under normal operation of the computer? > >For the big stuff, sure. Not for the small stuff (glue, I/O, memory, and >other stuff that does not suck much power). > >Here is a test. Boil some water in a big pot, as if you were to make >pasta. Turn the gas off, let it cool just a few seconds, then dump all your >favorite chips in. I am sure one will not comeout alive (or maybe crippled). > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org

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Wanted: One Specific Piece of Software

by vance＠ikickass.org

Specifically, dBase 5 and dBase Compiler. Peace... Sridhar

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I install fire alarm systems... Now, if you had asked me which one connects >the handset to the phone, you'd have me stumped! I had been taught that was a Rj-11 "handset", which has never really sat well with me... but it is what I was taught, and it is what my telco catalogs list the part as, so I had to accept it. Thanks to that link, it is claimed to be an RJ-22, which sits MUCH better with me since it has its own designation. I can't speak for its accuracy as it is the first time I have heard that, but if I had to pick, I would go with RJ-22 over RJ-11 "handset". Oh, and I was taught in the field all my telco knowledge, never went to school... it is learned from various Bell and private installers/techs/whathaveyou... so who knows how accurate they are, but I tend to give them more credence than most schools (except maybe some Bell installers, the older ones are good, but most of the younger ones suck royally) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 30, Chris wrote: > >Would they call common network connectors "8 pin RJ-11"? > >Or would they call them "8 pin telephone connectors"? > > Neither, 8 pin RJ's are an RJ-45 (11 is a 4 pin, comes in either standard > or handset sizes... can also have just 2 pins for "cheap" cords... 12 is > a 6 pin, same physical size as a standard RJ-11) It's important to note that the RJ designations specify not only the connector type, but the pinout. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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FAQS.ORG needs funding!

by vcf＠vintage.org

Please read this message: http://www.faqs.org/save_faqs-org.html I don't know how many of you use faqs.org to get FAQs (I don't myself) but I happened to run by this message and thought I would pass it along. They're in need of funding as they've lost their previous sponsorship. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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*DING* Unibus addressing - KZQSA SCSI adapter

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

You DEC old-timers out there will probably chuckle at my little "discovery", but I'm posting my findings for us who are "DEC challenged".... Yesterday I was pulling my hair out trying to get my VAX 4000-500 to recognize an external RRD-43 CD-ROM that was attached to a KZQSA SCSI adapter. No matter what I did, it wouldn't recognize the fact that anything SCSI was connected. The problem turned out to be the address that the KZQSA was set to. It was set to address 761400, and the 4000 was reporting the card to be a DEFQA, which to even a DEC newbie as myself, was VERY wrong. A search through the "VMS wizard" archives at Compaq.com turned up the statement that the KZQSA was shipped with a default address of 761300. So I fiddled with the address jumpers and set it to 761300 and *voila*, the 4000 found the KZQSA. I hooked the external SCSI enclosure to the card, and it found the CD-ROM. It was able to boot VMS from the CD, and I'm on my way. Again, don't laugh too hard, I hope this message helps others who are "Unibus Ignorant".... - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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S-100 score!

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

My sister-in-law works at the Post Office and knows lots of the local customers. She happened to learn that one gentleman had some "old computers" in the attic. When I called him, it turned out to be an XOR S-100 box w/dual 8" drives, a Liberty 100 terminal, and some loose S-100 cards (including a Cromemco serial/parallel card still in the shrink wrap, a few 8K cards (2102 and 2114-based) and a couple of SMS video cards, one as yet unstuffed with the chips under plastic). No OS, few docs (some of the cards _do_ have manuals). He kept the S-100 prototype card he once wrapped for his first CPU (sockets intact, chips missing, wires removed). The sad news is that he mentioned that he used to have an old computer that he threw out... his son brought it home ($20 at a yard sale) back when Dad had a 386 in the living room - it was a Digital Group machine. :-( So... Anyone have any info on XOR boxen? I have a CP/M disk for the C-128 and stuff for the Kaypro, but nothing on 8". Can I mail anyone blank disks to be copied onto? What sort of information would I have to provide to be able to put together a compatible disk? Brand of disk controller? Type and manufacturer of CPU card? Serial card vendor? Also, how did S-100 video cards work? Did you still have a console terminal but use the video card as a secondary peripheral? -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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Any AMIGA users?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Has anybody ever actually SEEN and USED any software for the catweasel > that will make an Amiga disk (NOT duplicate one that is present)? Not me, though, I've seen documents (probably in UAE) that say you can write disks to images and images to disks if you use it. The linux/netbsd/freebsd drivers, from all I've seen and heard, should access disks fine for making images and the like. > I think that "MatchPoint" might be their board that you're > thinkking of. I was thinking of compati-card, actually. I was un-aware that it had this same limitation. I may have to see if I can find one of these "MatchPoint" boards now, though. What are my chances? > What software is available for Mac to do Amiga disks? Again, I seem to remember from docs that UAE will use it directly. So you'd be stuck with a chicken-egg scenario where you need an image of the O/S (or boot disk) to get it working. :) Otherwise it would work fine. I have seen mappings for the linux fdparam (I think that's the program..) which will make your system use the format at a low level, and have heard that catweasel works with linux. In that case you can image/unimage the disks pretty simply. As for a program that reads/writes the filesystem (I assume that's what you're asking...), I don't know of one, but I believe that given the number of people interested in amiga emulation, somebody must have written one. If they havent, get an amiga emulator set-up, and chances are that will do it for you. (Again, I seem to remember mention of this in the UAE docs) I would, of course, be interested to hear from anyone who's really tried it. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

Supposing one has a farm of older, relatively slower machines (Sun-2's, Sun-3's, early SPARCs, 386es, very small VAXen, 68k-based Macs, etc.) running various Unixes (mostly NetBSD), networked together and connected to the Net. What does one do with it? I've been trying to think of some interesting, moderately useful distributed-computing project that they could sit and crank away at and haven't come up with much of anything. All the distributed projects that I know of are distributed because even fast machines aren't enough by themselves -- a trailing-edge farm can't make a useful contribution. If network Tierra (an artificial-life research project) had ever come to pass, that would have been a superb application for these beasts. But it didn't. Ideas, anyone? Please? --James B.

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Any AMIGA users?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Decided to pull out my amiga 500 and a PHOENIX hard drive that fits it. plugged it all in and the hard drive spins up, but the amiga still prompts for a system floppy. can a PC download and create an amiga system disk? i want to see what this computer is capable of. -- Kwanzaa is NOT a real holiday.

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mhstein＠usa.net

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:30:31 -0600 (CST) From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> Having not only been a rider myself, but also a Triumph/BSA dealer in a past life, not to mention having owned my share of Austins, Hillmans, etc., I'm ROFLMAO... mike ------------Original Message------------ Subject: Re: Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > The only place that I have EVER met any people who claimed to be > "engineers" who might "have never heard of Amphenol" would be some > university folk who have never set foot into the real world. > "I'm an automotive engineer; I've never heard of 'Lucas Electric'"? Being a long-time British/European rider, I gotta ask... Was Amphenol *that* bad? :^) Doc ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1

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KIM-1 (was Re: Cheap Video cookbooks and machines WTD)

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Ethan Dicks wrote: > The KIM is one of the items on my list from that era to aquire (got a > SYM-1 and an AIM-65). I'd love to see a website about a clone. Was it > this - http://home.hccnet.nl/g.baltissen/kim-rb.gif - you were thinking > of? A schematic, but no board layout (I can generate schematics all day > long with OrCAD, but for a variety of reasons, I've never been able to > successfully migrate one of my designs to a layout package, which is why > the Elf99 project stalled). Ethan, I have Orcad 9 Capture and Layout and could provide some PCB resourse if needed. Design would probably be double sided. A single sided PCB design would be prefered from a "homebrew" point of view but I don't think it would be practical. Chris Leyson

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by Golemancd＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/30/01 11:41:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca writes: << www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html >> y do u need a bigger network

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by Golemancd＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/31/01 11:36:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de writes: << http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ >> i would say connect it to the web with a modern pc and use the bandwith of whatever connection u have with that pc and write a program to write messages to each compute on the network joee

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by Golemancd＠aol.com

my thinking was to just devide the data up into threads and have each thread work on a part of the data at a time. whether this be one cpu or several. one thread could be listening and deligating and other threads could be doing the rest of the work. not sure how much processor power it would take but originally i was just thinking about the network sort of just passing messages with each bot having its own processor internally. and handling it itself or maybe having the network do the work and pass text to the bot . joe

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Too much college? (was: Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 31, John Allain wrote: > I remember in the interval graduation+(1..10) I used > Integration only once, and it was to calculate the position > on a VHS tape given its spindle speed(s). > Nowadays every VCR does real time display. Wonder > why it took so long to happen? Imean it was only a 1-line > polynomial. Yes, but could it have been done back then without increasing the cost of the hardware very much? It probably would've involved a small microprocessor. Hmm, could such a thing be accomplished with a lookup table in a ROM? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Too much college? (was: Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 31, Mike Ford wrote: > >OB_CC: That makes the old Apple ad exceptionally out of line. Apple's ad > >said that if Edison were to have had an Apple, he could have simulated > >everything, instead of actually having to try things out in his > >workshop. Would he? > > Edison was much more a technition than an inventor. He took other peoples > unique ideas and made working units. True, but creativity certainly isn't limited to the "all theory and no practice" crowd. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Secret Weapons of Commodore update

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

The 10th edition of the Secret Weapons of Commodore has been released, a collection of articles, photographs, specifications and lots of conjecture on unreleased, rare or unusual Commodore peripherals and computers. Here's what's newly discovered: * New entries: * The Multi-User Cash Terminal Register, with pictures! (thanks T.J.T. van Kooten) * Microchess for the Commodore 64 and KIM-1! By permission of Peter Jennings, the original programmer, the source code and hex dump of the original Microchess is available for download, along with a port to the C64/128 by yours truly authorised by Peter for those without a KIM-1. See also the Chessmate entry! (thanks Peter Jennings, Paul Foerster) * New pictures: * The VIC-21, including badge and box (thanks Bo Zimmerman) * TV Game 200K (Bo encore) * Ultimax MiniBASIC portrait and screenshot (thanks RaYzor) * Updates: * History of the VIC-21 (Bo double encore) * Updates to the 900 entry, including new photos link, cleanup of the history of the Z8000/80000, and footnote about the ZEUS (thanks Claus Schoenleber, Tony Duell, et al.) * Hardware information and complete history of the Chessmate thanks to its original creator (yes, Peter Jennings created the Chessmate too) * Analysis of the VIC-1001 ROMs vs. the VIC-20's (thanks Marko Makela, William Levak) * Where Agnus really came from (thanks Jim Williams) * What ICS means, Amiga graphics notes (thanks Ville Jouppi) * Where to find Magic Voice 6525 chips, and another MV cartridge (thanks Nicolas Welte, Nick Coplin) * various custodial updates The URL is, as always, http://www.retrobits.com/ckb/secret/ Have fun, -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- "I'd love to go out with you, but my personalities each need therapy." -----

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