25 Dec
2001
25 Dec
'01
12:09 p.m.
Happy Holidays!
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26 Dec
26 Dec
5:14 a.m.
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7:05 a.m.
On 2001.12.26 20:14 Tony Duell wrote:
Holiday??? I've spent the last 2 days with
soldering iron and logic
analyser fixing HP plotters....
Uhhm. Hot iron. That reminds me. I have to build
that adapter cable to
connect a 5.25" floppy to the RX02 emulating 8" floppy adapter, that
will become part of my MicroVAX 3900...
Of course I enjoy doing that, which is why I was doing
it. But it's
also what I do most of the other days in the year, so it's hardly a
holiday ;-)
May I call you a geek? ;-)
BTW: I earn my mony as a programmer and what do I do for my private
enjoinment this days: I am porting (OK, trying to port) pdksh-5.2.14 to
2.11BSD on my PDP11/73... ;-)
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
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31 Dec
31 Dec
6:41 a.m.
On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 10:05:29PM +0100, Jochen Kunz wrote:
BTW: I earn my mony as a programmer and what do I do
for my private
enjoinment this days: I am porting (OK, trying to port) pdksh-5.2.14 to
2.11BSD on my PDP11/73... ;-)
Why spend time with pdksh when you can get the real Korn shell sources? :)
http://www.kornshell.com/
-- Derek
9:06 a.m.
On 2001.12.31 21:41 Derek Peschel wrote:
[porting pdksh-5.2.14 to 2.11BSD on my PDP11/73]
Why spend time with pdksh when you can get the real
Korn shell
sources? :)
I did not know that the ksh source is now free.
But would it be easier to port ksh instead of pdksh?
BTW: I have the object files build and I got them to link with only 6
overlays. But the executable dumps core... ...will need some time with
adb...
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
2 Jan
2 Jan
11:07 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 12:06:50AM +0100, Jochen Kunz wrote:
On 2001.12.31 21:41 Derek Peschel wrote:
[porting pdksh-5.2.14 to 2.11BSD on my PDP11/73]
I don't know.
Why spend time with pdksh when you can get the
real Korn shell
sources? :)
I did not know that the ksh source is now free.
But would it be easier to port ksh instead of pdksh? BTW: I have the object files build and I got them to
link with only 6
overlays. But the executable dumps core... ...will need some time with
adb...
Random question -- Is there any way to use overlays with shared text
segments (the "sticky bit")? The shell is one of the usual candidates
for having its sticky bit set, but then it would have to keep track of
which users need which overlays... not pleasant.
-- Derek
3 Jan
3 Jan
1:36 a.m.
On 2002.01.03 14:07 Derek Peschel wrote:
[overlayed executables in 2.11BSD]
Random question -- Is there any way to use overlays
with shared text
segments (the "sticky bit")?
I don't know.
The shell is one of the usual candidates
for having its sticky bit set, but then it would have to keep track of
which users need which overlays... not pleasant.
Hmmm. I can only assume. The info
what overlay is active is part of the
process structure, as it is part of the memory management and handled by
the kernel. So it would be individual for every process. But I may be
completly wrong in that.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
3:18 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:36:32PM +0100, Jochen Kunz wrote:
On 2002.01.03 14:07 Derek Peschel wrote:
[overlayed executables in 2.11BSD]
But the whole point of the sticky bit is that some of the process
information (whether a segment is swapped out or not) becomes shared
by more than one process. Thus the paradox.
Anyway, it sounds like you're having fun with your toy. :)
-- Derek
Random question -- Is there any way to use
overlays with shared text
segments (the "sticky bit")?
I don't know.
The shell is one of the usual candidates
for having its sticky bit set, but then it would have to keep track of
which users need which overlays... not pleasant.
Hmmm. I can only assume. The info
what overlay is active is part of the
process structure, as it is part of the memory management and handled by
the kernel. So it would be individual for every process. But I may be
completly wrong in that. 
26 Dec
26 Dec
2:27 p.m.
Actually, the Christmas holiday traditionally is a 12-day period from Christmas
Day to Epiphany. Unfortunately, Americans seem to dislike it so much that they
compress it into a single day. To make up for it, they start the agonizing
period of promotional advertising in late September, nowadays. I, for one,
think it should be banned from print or electronic media until after noon on the
22nd of December, so one doesn't tire of it all before the fact. <sigh>
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
Happy Holidays!
Holiday??? I've spent the last 2 days with soldering iron and logic
analyser fixing HP plotters....
Of course I enjoy doing that, which is why I was doing it. But it's also
what I do most of the other days in the year, so it's hardly a holiday ;-)
Anyway, although it's a bit late, I hope all members of the list had a
happy Newtonsday/Midwinder/Christmas (or whatever you decide to celebrate
at this time of year).
-tony
27 Dec
27 Dec
5:42 a.m.
I was sympathizing with the checkout chick at home-depot today... Can you
imagine working someplace that plays christmas music 24 hours a day, 7
days a week, since mid November?!!!???!
On the other hand (and to bring us slightly closer to topic), I got my
200Amp load center installed and wired up. Now I just need to get an
inspection (ummmm.... Yup, thats a load center.... Your wire is the
improper shade of red, you'll have to replace it all...), and get PSCo
out to hook the feed wire up. Then I'll have an extra 80Amps to run
VAXEN!!!!!!
Clint
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
Actually, the Christmas holiday traditionally is a
12-day period from Christmas
Day to Epiphany. Unfortunately, Americans seem to dislike it so much that they
compress it into a single day. To make up for it, they start the agonizing
period of promotional advertising in late September, nowadays. I, for one,
think it should be banned from print or electronic media until after noon on the
22nd of December, so one doesn't tire of it all before the fact. <sigh>
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
Happy Holidays!
Holiday??? I've spent the last 2 days with soldering iron and logic
analyser fixing HP plotters....
Of course I enjoy doing that, which is why I was doing it. But it's also
what I do most of the other days in the year, so it's hardly a holiday ;-)
Anyway, although it's a bit late, I hope all members of the list had a
happy Newtonsday/Midwinder/Christmas (or whatever you decide to celebrate
at this time of year).
-tony
7:23 a.m.
New subject: Powering ancient computers (was: Happy Holidays!)
Rumor has it that Clint Wolff (VAX collector) may have mentioned these words:
I was sympathizing with the checkout chick at
home-depot today... Can you
imagine working someplace that plays christmas music 24 hours a day, 7
days a week, since mid November?!!!???!
I really do think there should be a law (in the US) that no christmas
decorations/music/advertising/etc. should be used until after Thanksgiving.
In Canada, the law should read that non should be used until after the US's
Thanksgiving. (Canadian Thanksgiving is in October.)
I also think that it should be kept in mind that Native American people
shouldn't be chastised for disliking Thanksgiving - remember, it was a
"going away party" to the Europeans, they never left... ;-)
[[ And yes, being primarily of Native American & German descent, I really
wasn't sure which way to word the above paragraph... ;-) ]]
On the other hand (and to bring us slightly closer to
topic), I got my
200Amp load center installed and wired up. Now I just need to get an
inspection (ummmm.... Yup, thats a load center.... Your wire is the
improper shade of red, you'll have to replace it all...), and get PSCo
out to hook the feed wire up. Then I'll have an extra 80Amps to run
VAXEN!!!!!!
Pfffft. You call that an upgrade??? The house I'm buying has [ahem] 2
30-amp services - hell, that won't run my sawzall! And most of the wiring
is the original "knob & tube" wiring that was used back when many parts of
the US (and this house) ran on 50 Hz. [Yes, the town I live in ran on 50 Hz
for around 20 years, before the US standardized on 60.]
Needless to say, the very, *very* first job of mine is to install a new 200
Amp service & rewire the whole place... the better to run my computers
with! (At least my Tandy 200 runs on batteries, so I won't be completely
computerless... ;-)
Happy incr(Year)!
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an *older* .sig.
(circa 1997!) Why does Hershey's put nutritional information on
their candy bar wrappers when there's no nutritional value within?
7:45 a.m.
New subject: Powering ancient computers (was: Happy Holidays!)
When we first moved into our mill, some circuits with the original wooden
insulator mounts were still in use. The main floor had exposed copper
knob and tube 660 lines. There was even an enormous knife switch in the
ceiling of the old generator room to convert from mill generated power to
outside power. I think I liked it better that way.
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Roger Merchberger wrote:
Rumor has it that Clint Wolff (VAX collector) may have
mentioned these words:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
I was sympathizing with the checkout chick at
home-depot today... Can you
imagine working someplace that plays christmas music 24 hours a day, 7
days a week, since mid November?!!!???!
I really do think there should be a law (in the US) that no christmas
decorations/music/advertising/etc. should be used until after Thanksgiving.
In Canada, the law should read that non should be used until after the US's
Thanksgiving. (Canadian Thanksgiving is in October.)
I also think that it should be kept in mind that Native American people
shouldn't be chastised for disliking Thanksgiving - remember, it was a
"going away party" to the Europeans, they never left... ;-)
[[ And yes, being primarily of Native American & German descent, I really
wasn't sure which way to word the above paragraph... ;-) ]]
On the other hand (and to bring us slightly closer
to topic), I got my
200Amp load center installed and wired up. Now I just need to get an
inspection (ummmm.... Yup, thats a load center.... Your wire is the
improper shade of red, you'll have to replace it all...), and get PSCo
out to hook the feed wire up. Then I'll have an extra 80Amps to run
VAXEN!!!!!!
Pfffft. You call that an upgrade??? The house I'm buying has [ahem] 2
30-amp services - hell, that won't run my sawzall! And most of the wiring
is the original "knob & tube" wiring that was used back when many parts of
the US (and this house) ran on 50 Hz. [Yes, the town I live in ran on 50 Hz
for around 20 years, before the US standardized on 60.]
Needless to say, the very, *very* first job of mine is to install a new 200
Amp service & rewire the whole place... the better to run my computers
with! (At least my Tandy 200 runs on batteries, so I won't be completely
computerless... ;-)
Happy incr(Year)!
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an *older* .sig.
(circa 1997!) Why does Hershey's put nutritional information on
their candy bar wrappers when there's no nutritional value within?
8:22 a.m.
New subject: Powering ancient computers (was: Happy Holidays!)
--- "Merle K. Peirce" <at258(a)osfn.org> wrote:
When we first moved into our mill, some circuits with
the original wooden
insulator mounts were still in use. The main floor had exposed copper
knob and tube 660 lines. There was even an enormous knife switch in the
ceiling of the old generator room...
That needs one my stickers that says:
"Do Not Lick"
-ethan
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8:06 a.m.
New subject: Powering ancient computers (was: Happy Holidays!)
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Roger Merchberger wrote:
When I build my first house, I am going to have a 200 A service for the
machine room, and a 200 A service for everything else.
Peace... Sridhar
Rumor has it that Clint Wolff (VAX collector) may have
mentioned these words:
This leads to the Conservative Reactionary Right Nazi people to send the
police out to force Hindus to take down Deewali lights in early November.
Regulating anything *remotely* religious can cause *serious* unforseen
problems.
I was sympathizing with the checkout chick at
home-depot today... Can you
imagine working someplace that plays christmas music 24 hours a day, 7
days a week, since mid November?!!!???!
I really do think there should be a law (in the US) that no christmas
decorations/music/advertising/etc. should be used until after Thanksgiving.
In Canada, the law should read that non should be used until after the US's
Thanksgiving. (Canadian Thanksgiving is in October.) I also think that it should be kept in mind that
Native American people
shouldn't be chastised for disliking Thanksgiving - remember, it was a
"going away party" to the Europeans, they never left... ;-)
[[ And yes, being primarily of Native American & German descent, I really
wasn't sure which way to word the above paragraph... ;-) ]]
LOL.
On the other
hand (and to bring us slightly closer to topic), I got my
200Amp load center installed and wired up. Now I just need to get an
inspection (ummmm.... Yup, thats a load center.... Your wire is the
improper shade of red, you'll have to replace it all...), and get PSCo
out to hook the feed wire up. Then I'll have an extra 80Amps to run
VAXEN!!!!!!
Pfffft. You call that an upgrade??? The house I'm buying has [ahem] 2
30-amp services - hell, that won't run my sawzall! And most of the wiring
is the original "knob & tube" wiring that was used back when many parts of
the US (and this house) ran on 50 Hz. [Yes, the town I live in ran on 50 Hz
for around 20 years, before the US standardized on 60.] 
5:51 a.m.
New subject: Powering ancient computers (was: Happy Holidays!)
Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
When I build my first house, I am going to have a 200
A service for the
machine room, and a 200 A service for everything else.
Peace... Sridhar
Better add another 200 A for Air Conditioning!
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
11:23 a.m.
New subject: Powering ancient computers (was: Happy Holidays!)
I've never heard that, before. Where did you learn/read that?
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Roger Merchberger wrote:
I also think that it should be kept in mind that
Native American people
shouldn't be chastised for disliking Thanksgiving - remember, it was a
"going away party" to the Europeans, they never left... ;-)
10:26 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)earthlink.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
I was sympathizing with the checkout chick at home-depot today... Can you
imagine working someplace that plays christmas music 24 hours a day, 7
days a week, since mid November?!!!???!
On the other hand (and to bring us slightly closer to topic), I got my
200Amp load center installed and wired up. Now I just need to get an
inspection (ummmm.... Yup, thats a load center.... Your wire is the
improper shade of red, you'll have to replace it all...), and get PSCo
out to hook the feed wire up. Then I'll have an extra 80Amps to run
VAXEN!!!!!!
Ahhh, we don't need no steekin' inspections. Around here the meter cans
used to be supplied for free by the power company, and if you have a plug-in
meter, there's no need to even bother them about it... Just pop the meter
out, tear out the old stuff, stich in the new, and plug the meter back in.
The meter maid will generally stick a new seal on it the next time they come
around to read it.
it's easy to tie it in yerself, too. Just remember to not touch two wires
at once, and use a fiberglass (or wood-- uhg!) ladder.
I did a service upgrade when we bought this place. The old service was
basically 30A, and I have more load than that in VAXen alone! I called
every week for three weeks prior to make sure the power company'd come out
on the weekend to put the new meter in, including the sat. morning before I
tore the old one off. I'm sure you can see where this is heading already!
When I called for the new meter, the chick said `Oh, we don't do that on the
weekend.' Boy, was I hot! Fortunantly, I had already popped the madisons
in the meter socket, so we were on free power. After I mentioned that to
her, she seemed to make a lot more effort to get the service guy out to put
the meter in. ^_^ Ya know, that old lineman spent about ten minutes
cutting off the mechanical butt splices I had installed and crimping on some
hipress lugs. It took me 45 minutes to install them the first time!
What I'd really like is a 20KVA UPS, like Brian's. That's big enough to run
my whole house!
Clint
Bob
<snip>
5:40 p.m.
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Clint Wolff (VAX collector) wrote:
On the other hand (and to bring us slightly closer to
topic), I got my
200Amp load center installed and wired up. Now I just need to get an
inspection (ummmm.... Yup, thats a load center.... Your wire is the
improper shade of red, you'll have to replace it all...), and get PSCo
out to hook the feed wire up. Then I'll have an extra 80Amps to run
VAXEN!!!!!!
I spent part of the day gathering up the remaining bits of EMT conduit and
boxes for my new building's electrical systems. Only stuff left for me to
buy is NMT conduit/boxes/fittings for network and low voltage wiring.
Eventually I'll have a finished building and a 100A branch where my boxes
can live.
-Toth
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