test-drb January 2001

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181 participants
415 discussions

Wait! There's more including MS-DOS 1.25!!!! was Sanyo MBC-550 (Yuck!) software available

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I'm still digging. I found more 550 stuff. I think this is everything that came with the 550. Here's a chance for you 550 owner's to get the whole set at one shot! Original DS-DOS box and invoice. Original Sanyo Easywriter ver 1.3 disk Original Sanyo disk box with 550 dos ver 2.11 and BASIC 1.25, two original Sanyo disk for InfoStar (set B disk 2 and 3 of 4; disks 1 and 4 are below), original Sanyo disk for DOS 1.25 and BASIC ver 1.1 Original Sanyo disk box with all three original disk of set A, WordStar and CalcStar and a backup copy of DS-DOS. Two card board dummy disks used to protect the floppy drives duing shipment. Joe > >A few weeks ago we were talking about the Sanyo 550 series and someone mentioned one of the alternates operating systems that supported 80 track drives in the 550. I said that was DS-DOS by Michtron. > > Today I found an old Sanyo disk package with four disks for the 550. One of them is DS DOS 2.11, one is InfoStar, one is MailMerge/SpellStar and the other is a disk of misc utilities. The first three are original disks. In additon, the InfoStar, MailMerge/SpellStar are Sanyo labeled disks that came with the 550. If anyone wants them, trade me something I can use and they're all your's. > > Joe

13 years, 4 months

Info on the Dynalogic Hyperion

by lbutzel＠home.com

Looking for info on the Dynalogic Hyperion, a "portable" DOS machine manufactures around 1983. At least the one I have is 1983. it was designed and initially built in Ottawa, Canada. Hyperion was acquired in about 1983 by Bytec, who was later bought by I think a Quebec company called Comterm. Anyway, mine has stopped working: The machine still boots but no image is displayed on its 7" diag screen. Hence I am looking for service info and/or persons who have worked on the machine. Any leads would be most appreciated. Leo Butzel Seattle, WA lbutzel(a)home.com

23 years, 9 months

recent additions

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I recently filled the car with these: Apollo DOMAIN Series 3500 Domain series 3000 model 3010 HP/Apollo series 400 (2) Sun 3/60 + tape drive and tapes Sun 3/50 Apple lisa 2 (2) apple II Ci Mac SE/30 with radius monitor Mac color classic Quadra 610 Quadra 800 Quadra 860 power mac 7200/90 Also available was a volker Craig terminal, and a copy apple's unix I also have "quite a pile of HP 712/715/725s in various condition" for me to pick up when I get some space cleared. IKEA has said that the missing piece to complete the shelving will be delayed another 3 weeks, and my wife says no more machines until the shelves are up!

24 years, 9 months

classiccmp list archive, digest changes, and a free offer

by west＠tseinc.com

Greetings! Several changes people have been asking about... here's the status.... 1) The classiccmp mailing list archives at www.classiccmp.org are now reworked and up to date. We are still using hypermail which takes the mailing list traffic and automagically creates the website, organized by year, month, thread, etc. etc. A background process is *STILL* running to populate the rest of year 1999 (other years, including 2000, are already done) but it should be done in an hour or two perhaps (theres a LOT of mail to process in portions of that year). There is a month or two missing, but those months are actually missing from the raw datafiles. I assume that the list was not functioning during those times (before [and perhaps while] it was being moved to my servers). 2) The hypermail task has been set up as a cron job to keep the mailing list archives at www.classiccmp.org up to date without operator intervention. Because the mailing list is hosted by a server sitting right next to the classiccmp webserver, updates to the archive will be especially fast. 3) Previously, digest subscribers could get multiple digests per day if the size of the digest was large (ie. it could be split into multiple emails if the size went over a threshold). Due to popular request, that is no longer the case. The digest will now send only one email per day to digest subscribers no matter what the size. 4) Several people have asked - I don't have their email addresses here... so once again - publicly, to subscribe or unsubscribe send an email to majordomo(a)classiccmp.org. Any list traffic should go to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org. When subscribing you tell it which list you want to subscribe to, either the normal list or the digest list. Hope this gets everything in order. Once again, I will gladly host any website, ftpsite, mailinglist, etc. that has to do with classic computers at no charge - unlimited traffic, unlimited storage, no fees of any kind. I am currently connected to 5 major backbones via 100mb ethernet (and offer local dialup in over 152 US cities [shameless plug]), so the transfer speeds should be acceptable. The only thing I ask is that if the disk storage requirements are unusually large (say, greater than 10gb) that you buy your own hard drive and ship it to me. I'll mount it in one of our servers and the drive will still belong to you and be dedicated to your use only. If you decide to move, you get the drive back of course. I'll do this for free, I feel it's something I can give back to the folks on the list for all the endless advice I've gotten out of it. Ok, if a few RK05's and 7900A disc drives show up anonymously, I won't complain either <grin, just kidding>. It would be nice if we could get a lot of subsites under the www.classiccmp.org site, sort of like a portal. At the very least we need some links to classiccmp sites there. Anyone care to throw together a main page for this (I'm not an html person, and our webdevelopment staff is working overtime already)? Then all the subsites that folks host on my server could be at www.classiccmp.org/mydecstuff and www.classiccmp.org/hprules for example. Of course, if you want your own domain name that's fine too. Regards! Jay West

24 years, 10 months

Strange device, stuff available FS or Trade

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote: > Well the VAX fairy visited me and dropped off a "pile of junk". Inside the > junk were a couple of Unibus expansion bays and in those were a board from > MDB systems that asserts it connects a Unibus to a Q-bus. Unfortunately > I've only got the Unibus half apparently and there is a matching card that > plugs into the Q-bus. Univerter/Qniverter? Depending on what the docs say, would the Q-bus end be similar to what DEC used to connect BA-11N or BA-23 boxes together? It does kinda matter which way you are going (i.e., Unibus or Q-bus CPU)... mostly because the Unibus is 18-bit and the Q-bus is 18 or 22 bit (or 16 ;-) with completely different ideas about how to map space (which matters at the driver level, not the hardware level). We looked into such products at work, but we decided that the extra effort on the driver did not pay for saving a development box. > Apparently I also got a set of VAX 11/750 cpu cards and memory. Is this > something anyone is interested in? To rescue from oblivion, yes. To put to immediate use, no. I have two 11/750s and wouldn't mind spares, but space/cash is too tight for such an optional set of boards. I haven't even fired one up since I moved it to the Quonset hut. It sits, temporarily unloved, until I can wire a 30A Hubble receptacle for it. > Finally I got some docs on the VAX BI bus but I'm reserving those for Bill > if he wants them. If not, please let me know. I have an 8300. Thanks, -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

24 years, 10 months

Apple Recall of powerbooks

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

Not ten year old yet but urgent... Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and 190. The article at: http://www.pbzone.com/index.shtml#applestore States that apple will be destroying the PB that are sent back. Time to find those babies and protect them from doom. Francois

24 years, 10 months

Thoughts on a datascope

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Any thoughts on how I can back this beastie up? Anyone > done anything with this line of datascope? No experience with this device, but you could try this: Remove the HD and attached it as the second drive in an old bootable PC that already has one MFM drive. You'll need to get the drive parameters for the drive entered into the CMOS; I think I used to use SpeedStor (?) for that. Other utilities exist. Then, assuming this datascope doesn't turn out to be an embedded DOS machine (and thus the drive formatted as FAT12), use DEBUG under DOS to load the boot sectors, then write to a .BIN file and set aside. Load the partition table (assuming it has one) and save it. Do a quick- n-dirty disassembly of the boot code to see where it runs off to (that is what it loads from the drive), and if it's loading less than 64k, you should be able to do this easily in DEBUG. If it's loading more than 64k, you could just write a quick-n-dirty program using your favorite language (unless that's COBOL!) to read the datascope code in and store it in a binary file. However, as I said above, you may find this machine is an embedded DOS machine, and the drive may already be readable, file by file. hth, -doug q

24 years, 10 months

monitors

by lgwalker＠look.ca

I've been fascinated by micro-computer monitors for years. Possibly because my original Atari ST had such a convoluted 13pin interface. As a result I've tended to grab any monitor that didn't have a vanilla or plain 9pin or 15pin connector. Ditto when it comes to video cards. So the NEC series of multi-sync and other monitors with additional switches have been high on my collectables. The Amiga newsgroup is always full of queries regarding which Nec works with it (3C ?}. Similiarly each of the older platform newsgroups have the same questions. While I know Tony Duell and others have posted the video requirements of different systems, it has always been a bit of a grey area for me. For example what do the dip-switch settings on most of the configurable cards indicate ? Some of my monitors include a Radius full-page display, and I have a kit which supposedly allows a Mac+ to use it. A DEC VR201 with the retactible support pole and transporting handle which works on my DEC Rainbow. Tatung configurable, Tandy CM5, Several Hi-resolution configurable monitors Compaq and TVM ,Commodore 1402, Apple Color RGB (for A2 GS),Supermac rebadged Sony GDF1950, and Magnavoxes and NECs. However, I have yet to see a good FAQ regarding these monitors. There seems to be more info on the fixed freq. and sync on green and I have book from MS Press on IBM CGA thru VGA monitors but little on their configuration and platform-specific features. Possibly each mfg. issued a booklet with their monitors and the market wasn't big enough for a book. An area to explore. My system includes a JDH Videomate external box which is a TV to VGA converter and my main TV when not displaying computer-specific info. Again , a defunct company, so no info. ciao larry ciao larry lgwalker(a)look.ca walkers(a)altavista.net bigwalk(a)xoommail.com

24 years, 10 months

SAIC RSC-1x (MOCC) Portable Workstation

by owad＠applefritter.com

I purchased an interesting system at the Timonium Hamfest last weekend. It's a SparcStation IPX, refitted to a military case. I've put some pictures up at <http://www.applefritter.com/temp/saic/>. It consists of the computer itself and an expansion chassis that latches onto the bottom of the case. Right now, I don't have the machine running. The power supply I got with it is a LAMBDA, 24VDC, 10.5 A. I don't have a military connector, so I've been sticking the wires onto the pins. I managed to get the system to power on. It gives a splash screen reading "Tech-Source Inc." followed by a line I didn't think to write down before it started having problems. At the next spring it tells me a bit about itself: SparcStation IPX, Keyboard Present ROM Rev. 2.9, 64 MB memory installed, Serial #2219226 Ethernet address 8:0:20:1a:c:28, Host ID: 5721dcda And informs be that it can't boot off the hard drive (the seller told me its been wiped clean). Just a few minutes ago the power supply apparently gave out. I had the machine powered on and was copying down the above information when it seemingly powered off and the screen started flickering on and off. I'm not at all familiar with Sparcs, and I really don't know much about power supplies either. Does this strike the anybody as a faulty power supply connection, or something else? The expansion chassis needs its own power, so unless the power supply I have is powerful enough to power both (opinions?) I'm going to need a second. I need to get the expansion chassis up and running as it has the CD-ROM drive (along with a second hard drive and a tape drive) in it which I need to install the operating system. Does anybody have any suggestions regarding getting this system running? Know where I can find some decent power supplies that will work? Ideally with the three-prong military connectors? Thanks for the info. Tom Owad

24 years, 10 months

Equipment needs home: Portland, OR. area

by wolf＠nwinfo.net

hey do you have any ideas about using relays or some thing connected to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought or ideas I'd be glad to hear them.

24 years, 11 months

decus lives!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

At least in the UK anyway. The recent flurry of DECUS complaints on here made me wonder what had happened to my own membership - sure enough it expired last month so they're wanting another 25 english pounds off me. Thing is, is it still worth it to be a member? I haven't been to the seminars etc for *years* and don't have a requirement for hobbyist kits or anything like that...... thoughts? -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum) 0/0

24 years, 11 months

ldb4401 can be replaced by .....?

by General＠cyber.net.pk

dear sir please address the issue regards nasir

25 years

Who collects (reads the mailing list...?) vintage computers in Quebec

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Claude <claudew(a)sprint.ca> wrote: > Sometimes I think I may be the only vintage computer collector in > Quebec, Canada. Look on the bright side, at least the competition is slim. Some guy here locally had overheard me talking to someone else about a stash I knew of and had already contacted the organization. He went there pretending to be me and made arrangements to haul some stuff off. By coincidence I called the place later the same day as his initial visit. My contact was all confused until she realized that she was being duped by this person. I ended up telling her to let him have the first stash (old intel boxes) to which she replied she would and save the other (and better) stash for me. She let him load the junk and then gave him a piece of her mind and sent him packing. In a sense he did me a favor, saved me from having to haul the junk along with the good stuff. > When I mention I collect vintage computers, people look at me like I am > due for a trip in the "wacko wagon"... Hey, they thought the same thing of the dude who collected bottlecaps, now they wished they had picked them up off the ground themselves. > Those who feel sad for me can send me their Lisa's, TRS model IIIs and > Next boxes ;-> NeXT: You want Cube or Slab, Plain or Turbo? Mike

25 years, 1 month

storage media

by Scott.Miller＠vandenberg.af.mil

I was thinking about the possibility of building a miniature C-64... you could probably squeeze the whole thing into an FPGA, but the VIC II and SID chips might be a problem. It'd probably be easier to use an off the shelf embedded controler and adapt the VICE emulator. A 2 or 3 inch color LCD would make a nice monitor, but fabricating the miniature keyboard could be difficult. You could always use a cheap membrane-style keyboard, I guess. How about a 1541 disk drive that takes smartmedia cards? Speaking of VICE, in a fit of boredom I set up an AlphaStation with VNC to launch remote C-64 emulation sessions, sort of a C-64 ASP. You just fire up your VNC client, point it at the server, and you get an emulated C-64 with a bunch of old game disks. I haven't had it running since I moved over the summer, but if anyone's interested I can fire it up and publish the address. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Megan [mailto:mbg@world.std.com] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:52 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: storage media >"IBM used to send out its salesmen with little 1/24 > models of their Mainframe installations to do site > planning on the desktop first before bringing in the > actual HW. With Moore's Law and the progress of > miniaturization, you could Build a system that big > now that actually works." > >Only with more power. Imagine putting together a little model of, say, the PDP-10 system on the back cover of one of the PDP-10 reference manuals, but build an imbedded x86 machine into the model, with one serial line... run linux on the the embedded machine and Timothy Stark's pdp-10 emulator running TOPS-10... :-) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

25 years, 2 months

Moving data to an Apple II

by eweidenh1＠hotmail.com

I have two apple II computers, a IIgs (Rom 0- no operating system)and an Apple IIc. Both have floppies and both have the latest 8 bit apple DOS. Neither have modems or any communication software. I am trying to get software from my PC to the apples using a Mac Classic II as a bridge. I can get Shrinkit and BinCSII to work on the apples but I need .txt files to work with. Unfortunately, somewhere between the PC and the apples, the resource fork designating the file type gets garbled so BinSCII can't recognise the .txt files. Does anybody know where I can find a Macintosh image file of an Apple II disk with Fazz or another attribute changer on it? Does anyone know of another way to get files onto the Apples with the tools I have? Also, where can I find a copy of an early OS for a Rom 0 IIgs? Thanks all, Erich _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

25 years, 2 months

First computer singing

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 19, 23:18, Sellam Ismail wrote: > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, John Foust wrote: > > > Some .ram files merely reference an .rm file via http://, > > such as a .ram that contains: > > > > http://streams2.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.rm > > > > which would allow you to just enter that URL directly, > > or save-as, and then you'd have the .rm file. > > Sheer genius. But it didn't work :( I used the audio hardware on one of my SGI machines to snarf the stream as it played and uploaded it to http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/temp/daisy.wav for you (about 3MB). I was intrigued by the recording, and I knew I'd seen a reference somewhere else, so I spent a while hunting for more information. Interestingly, the first reference I found was in the classiccmp archives, from two years ago! But the following may be of interest: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/INST/mar98/histquiz.html (a little background) http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.folklore.computers/20001109_Musical_main… (several recent informative Usenet posts) http://korova.com/kmr98/kmr8002.htm (near the bottom, explains that "Daisy" was useful because it contains all the notes in an octave) http://www.mindspring.com/~dmaxey/ssshp/ss_btl1.htm (relevant published papers and archive tapes at BTL, including the one from which "Daisy" is taken) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

25 years, 3 months

$3551 Sol???

by bills＠adrenaline.com

Ok, I'm stumped. I bought a Sol on ebay back in September for $385.16 including shipping and insurance. I think the one I got is in better shape and it has a lower serial number. Why did this one go for so much? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201894666&ed=9771987 70 Bill

25 years, 3 months

Searching for PS/2-E (9533-DB7) reference diskette

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I know it's not _quite_ 10 years old, but it's getting there. The principle of attraction has worked and my IBM quad-PCMCIA card has attracted a couple of hosts - a PS/2-E that it originally came out of. I have been to the IBM support site - no concrete references to the PS-2/E. I have located reference diskettes for all sorts of IBM-brand products, but not the 9533. It's distinguishing features include a low-power design with one ISA slot for this quad-PCMCIA card to minimize peripheral draw. Additionally, it uses a 2.5" laptop disk (120Mb) and only has one serial port. As shipped from IBM, there was an LCD panel for a monitor, but I've never seen that part in person, only in old ads. Does anyone have a disk image they can ship me, or a pointer to an image somewhere? I'm thinking of turning this into a router box. I have the PCMCIA NICs to do it with. Thanks, -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

25 years, 3 months

Dayton Hamvention?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I had meant to put this up earlier this month, but better late than never. Is anyone here planning on being at the Dayton Hamvention? It is this weekend (I'll be there Friday at 08:00 if I can help it). If yes, please write me off-line and maybe we can make arrangements to have a classiccmp get-together. My memories of this question from last year was a collective and deafening "No". -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

25 years, 3 months

Old SGI's?!

by LFessen106＠aol.com

Can anyone on the list help me out with my SGI's? I made a trade a trade for 2 Personal Iris 4D/35's. Cool lookin' computers, however, I have a few problems..... Neither one has a KB, Mouse or Monitor, and although a decent SVGA works fine, I can't for the life of me find the KB/Mouse for these anywhere (they have the ps2 style connector, but are *not* ps2 compatable). After hooking them up to a Dumb Terminal I find that they both work (at least up to the prom) and 1 actually will boot into Irix 4.0.2... The other has no detectable OS. The one that *does* boot to Irix has a root password that I don't have (of course). Is there any way to gain root access on that machine other than removing the drive and mounting it on another box to change the passwd / crack it? After I do actually get the one box running can I somehow transfer the OS >from one to the other? I read somewhere there was a prom command to duplicate hard drives??? Is there someone on the list willing to part with an old copy of Irix? These machines will only run up to 5.0.3 I think.. Anyone have a spare KB/Mouse for these machines? I can run them (when I get them working) from a Dumb Terminal, but would rather experience the famous SGI GUI. Any other hints / tips / suggestions would be greatly appreciated! -Linc F.

25 years, 4 months

FW: TRS-80 Magazines

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I got the following message from someone. Can we help him out?? Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicholas J Leon [mailto:nicholas@binary9.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:32 AM > To: rcini(a)msn.com > Subject: TRS-80 Magazines > > Greetings! > > I am currently trying to prove that I am the author of an old TRS-80 > program that someone else has taken credit for, Bullet-80. > > At one point, in the early 80's, I was written up in a small magazine (not > Compute, not Byte, something smaller) for this. Unfortunately it was 20 > years ago and I can't remember what the magazine was. > > When you are looking through all your old stuff, could you do me a favor > and keep an eye out for my name? (And the name of Joe Simon, too). At the > time I was 13-years-old and living in Wilton, CT. > > Your help in this would be much appreciative. > > Thank you!! > > --------------------------------------------------------- nicholas j leon > [personal web] http://nicholasjleon.com > [email ] sig(a)nicholasjleon.com > [work ] Eagle Design & Management > [work web ] http://www.aerie.com > [work email ] nicholas(a)aerie.com > [pgp ] http://nicholasjleon.com/plan.txt > [top secret > messenger ] http://nicholasjleon.com/mypublic.tsm > --------------------------------------------------------- elegance through > Proud resident of Greensboro, NC simplicity > >

25 years, 4 months

ALERT! Major Purge in progress

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

This needs immediate action everyone, Compaq is in the process of removing ALL of the old "Digital Equipment Corp" information from the Web. We've already lost the DEC Technical Journal articles that were on-line, and the Digital Timeline pages. This is a major blow to archivists and preservationists. EVERYONE needs to contect Compaq/DEC and ask that they restore those pages to the web. Please! --Chuck

25 years, 4 months

WTB: MicroAce, CTM magazines

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I think a better question would be "How hard is it to find the goddamned monitor and keyboard for the bastard?" As the owner of a Terak, I can say its cute, but pretty useless sans monitor and keyboard... grrr.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

25 years, 4 months

Needed: 4 - 4meg 72pin non-parity SIMMs

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Actually that's later Macs. The earliest that do have 72 pin simms I > >can think of is LC III w/ 8MB which I have learning against TV stand > >to be used w/ BSD if I can not find 68882 rated for 25mhz FPU to use > >68k-linux because I don't wish to buy apple's 7.1 for it. > > But why exactly OS 7.1? After all, you may download 7.5 for free from Apple, > as well as earlier versions. All save for 7.1. There are *updates* to 7.5 (like 7.5.1, etc) that are freely available from Apple's sites, but I've never seen 7.5 itself freely available for download. Care to share a link? -dq

25 years, 4 months

Test - Ignore

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Please ignore. Thanks... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).

25 years, 4 months

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