1 Aug
2000
1 Aug
'00
3:25 p.m.
Greetings!
Several changes people have been asking about... here's the status....
1) The classiccmp mailing list archives at www.classiccmp.org are now
reworked and up to date. We are still using hypermail which takes the
mailing list traffic and automagically creates the website, organized by
year, month, thread, etc. etc. A background process is *STILL* running to
populate the rest of year 1999 (other years, including 2000, are already
done) but it should be done in an hour or two perhaps (theres a LOT of mail
to process in portions of that year). There is a month or two missing, but
those months are actually missing from the raw datafiles. I assume that the
list was not functioning during those times (before [and perhaps while] it
was being moved to my servers).
2) The hypermail task has been set up as a cron job to keep the mailing list
archives at www.classiccmp.org up to date without operator intervention.
Because the mailing list is hosted by a server sitting right next to the
classiccmp webserver, updates to the archive will be especially fast.
3) Previously, digest subscribers could get multiple digests per day if the
size of the digest was large (ie. it could be split into multiple emails if
the size went over a threshold). Due to popular request, that is no longer
the case. The digest will now send only one email per day to digest
subscribers no matter what the size.
4) Several people have asked - I don't have their email addresses here... so
once again - publicly, to subscribe or unsubscribe send an email to
majordomo(a)classiccmp.org. Any list traffic should go to
classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org. When subscribing you tell it which list you want
to subscribe to, either the normal list or the digest list.
Hope this gets everything in order.
Once again, I will gladly host any website, ftpsite, mailinglist, etc. that
has to do with classic computers at no charge - unlimited traffic, unlimited
storage, no fees of any kind. I am currently connected to 5 major backbones
via 100mb ethernet (and offer local dialup in over 152 US cities [shameless
plug]), so the transfer speeds should be acceptable. The only thing I ask is
that if the disk storage requirements are unusually large (say, greater than
10gb) that you buy your own hard drive and ship it to me. I'll mount it in
one of our servers and the drive will still belong to you and be dedicated
to your use only. If you decide to move, you get the drive back of course.
I'll do this for free, I feel it's something I can give back to the folks on
the list for all the endless advice I've gotten out of it. Ok, if a few
RK05's and 7900A disc drives show up anonymously, I won't complain either
<grin, just kidding>.
It would be nice if we could get a lot of subsites under the
www.classiccmp.org site, sort of like a portal. At the very least we need
some links to classiccmp sites there. Anyone care to throw together a main
page for this (I'm not an html person, and our webdevelopment staff is
working overtime already)? Then all the subsites that folks host on my
server could be at www.classiccmp.org/mydecstuff and
www.classiccmp.org/hprules for example. Of course, if you want your own
domain name that's fine too.
Regards!
Jay West
1 Aug
1 Aug
4:39 p.m.
How does one go about updating their address and for phone number on the
rescue list ?? Thanks
John Keys
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay West <west(a)tseinc.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: classiccmp list archive, digest changes, and a free offer
Greetings!
Several changes people have been asking about... here's the status....
1) The classiccmp mailing list archives at www.classiccmp.org are now
reworked and up to date. We are still using hypermail which takes the
mailing list traffic and automagically creates the website, organized
by
year, month, thread, etc. etc. A background process is
*STILL* running
to
populate the rest of year 1999 (other years, including
2000, are
already
done) but it should be done in an hour or two perhaps
(theres a LOT of
mail
to process in portions of that year). There is a month
or two missing,
but
those months are actually missing from the raw
datafiles. I assume
that the
list was not functioning during those times (before
[and perhaps
while] it
was being moved to my servers).
2) The hypermail task has been set up as a cron job to keep the
mailing list
archives at www.classiccmp.org up to date without
operator
intervention.
Because the mailing list is hosted by a server sitting
right next to
the
classiccmp webserver, updates to the archive will be
especially fast.
3) Previously, digest subscribers could get multiple digests per day
if the
size of the digest was large (ie. it could be split
into multiple
emails if
the size went over a threshold). Due to popular
request, that is no
longer
the case. The digest will now send only one email per
day to digest
subscribers no matter what the size.
4) Several people have asked - I don't have their email addresses
here... so
once again - publicly, to subscribe or unsubscribe
send an email to
majordomo(a)classiccmp.org. Any list traffic should go to
classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org. When subscribing you tell it which list you
want
to subscribe to, either the normal list or the digest
list.
Hope this gets everything in order.
Once again, I will gladly host any website, ftpsite, mailinglist, etc.
that
has to do with classic computers at no charge -
unlimited traffic,
unlimited
storage, no fees of any kind. I am currently connected
to 5 major
backbones
via 100mb ethernet (and offer local dialup in over 152
US cities
[shameless
plug]), so the transfer speeds should be acceptable.
The only thing I
ask is
that if the disk storage requirements are unusually
large (say,
greater than
10gb) that you buy your own hard drive and ship it to
me. I'll mount
it in
one of our servers and the drive will still belong to
you and be
dedicated
to your use only. If you decide to move, you get the
drive back of
course.
I'll do this for free, I feel it's something I
can give back to the
folks on
the list for all the endless advice I've gotten
out of it. Ok, if a
few
RK05's and 7900A disc drives show up anonymously,
I won't complain
either
<grin, just kidding>.
It would be nice if we could get a lot of subsites under the
www.classiccmp.org site, sort of like a portal. At the very least we
need
some links to classiccmp sites there. Anyone care to
throw together a
main
page for this (I'm not an html person, and our
webdevelopment staff is
working overtime already)? Then all the subsites that folks host on my
server could be at www.classiccmp.org/mydecstuff and
www.classiccmp.org/hprules for example. Of course, if you want your
own
domain name that's fine too.
Regards!
Jay West
4:49 p.m.
John wrote...
----- Original Message -----
From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: classiccmp list archive, digest changes, and a free offer
How does one go about updating their address and for
phone number on the
rescue list ?? Thanks
You mean the classic computer rescue squad? :)
That's a different site. It's at http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/
on that page it says to change your info email to
mailto:yakowxenk@csx.unxc.edu (remove all 3 x's)?subject=CCRS
HTH
Jay West
3 Aug
3 Aug
2:23 p.m.
New subject: pdp11/23+ backplane
Hi all,
Anybody out here has a spare h9275 or h9276 backplane ?
Thanks,
emanuel
3:20 p.m.
New subject: pdp11/23+ backplane
Hi all,
Anybody out here has a spare h9275 or h9276 backplane ?
Thanks,
emanuel
I may be wrong... But wouldnt a PDP 11/24 backplane do the job? Since one
is on ebay, and noone is bidding on it, and its only $9.95 so far, I
thought I'd mention it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=395890200
-Lawrence LeMay
3:32 p.m.
New subject: pdp11/23+ backplane
Hi all,
Anybody out here has a spare h9275 or h9276 backplane ?
Thanks,
emanuel
I may be wrong... But wouldnt a PDP 11/24 backplane do the job? Since one
is on ebay, and noone is bidding on it, and its only $9.95 so far, I
thought I'd mention it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=395890200
-Lawrence LeMay
6 Aug
6 Aug
8:44 p.m.
New subject: Radio Shack, no really
I have plenty of coax ethernet cards, a couple hands full of connectors,
and after TRW a bunch of RG58 coax, but no luck finding a crimping tool.
Just because it was next to a place I needed to stop at anyway I checked
Radio Shack, $14.99, cheapest price for a "ok" quality tool, rebadged
Philmore from the looks of it, but with a die for the pin and two sizes of
hex crimp.
10:19 p.m.
New subject: 3 Days in San Jose, hits/pits
After considerable work/travel snafu last Tuesday my son and I drove up to
Palo Alto joining my wife who flew up for a class later that same day.
While she learned about the synergy of management, the boys roamed the
town. 100% of our mornings were snafued, and I left my notes from planning
a trip 3 weeks earlier at home, so we visited nobody, and moved around with
no efficiency.
First stop was Bermans on Tuesday afternoon, but too late they were already
closed. Problems at their web site kept me from bidding in the morning
before we left Orange, Ca., and we didn't get our laptop on the net until
Wednesday (at $300/night the Holiday Inn included a free Nokia wireless
PCMCIA card to access the net with). Wednesday we made a big loop.
ES Electronic Solutions on Brokaw, not too exciting. Too well organized
(shelves of cardboard bins with contents marked) and fully retail priced
stuff. I bought a few coax crimp connectors from the clearance bin, and
thats it. Some other stuff I was curious about, but time and uncertainty
made me skip them.
Alltronics, just around the corner on Zanker. I get their catalog, and it
reflects the store, old style electronics surplus joint combined with just
enough new stuff to keep people coming in. I found a box of Apple II/PC
joysticks and bought all the A2 compatible ones, but mostly it was like the
first place.
Bermans, around the corner on Trimble, no place to park. Missing the
bidding Tuesday took the point out of a visit, but it was good to eyeball
the place anyway. The lady behind the window wouldn't give me any specific
information on final bid amounts, but did tell me no lots sold for less
than $25, which was too much IMNSHO.
RA, on Walsh east of Layfette. Nice BIG warehouse of junk electronics, but
computer stuff was just incidental. I found a box of junk connectix
cameras, an old HP 486/25 with a 10/100 card, and a SCSI 3.5" optical drive
in a external case, but they wanted to keep it more than I wanted to put it
in my too full of luggage trunk.
Thursday we headed to the Childrens Discovery Museum, and my son at 9 still
had a good time, but its most likely his last trip. Next time the
technology museum instead I think. On the way back to Palo Alto I spotted
the HSC sign...
HSC, off the central expressway, no idea how I got to it. Very much like
the first two places, too tidy, too retail. This isn't really that bad, I
mean if I lived in the area and needed something between swapmeet times I
just might head over to one of these places to get that needed item, but
nothing got me excited during the visit. Some prices were comically high,
but some were OK if you needed the item. Big collection of data books to
read with free coffee over in the corner too.
General trip notes, WOW have prices gone up. Gas was $2.19/gal, which is
about $0.40 higher than Orange, CA, food prices were also higher, even in
supermarkets on some items (bottled water, but not soda). Rooms were
outrageous, we paid $300/night staying at the Holiday Inn Crowne Plaza
(very nice, but an older work in progress), and MUCH worse a rathole
(beatup old motel/apt on its first leg of fix up) on the east side of San
Jose called the Whitehouse Inn was $102 when a page at 7PM forced us to
stay Thursday night. Much better rooms at slightly better prices were
available earlier in the day, but by 6PM they were gone.
7 Aug
7 Aug
5:10 a.m.
New subject: 3 Days in San Jose, hits/pits
At 23:19 06-08-2000 -0800, Mike Ford wrote:
ES Electronic Solutions on Brokaw, not too exciting.
Too well organized
(shelves of cardboard bins with contents marked) and fully retail priced
stuff. I bought a few coax crimp connectors from the clearance bin, and
<schlorp>
Huh? Excess Solutions is one of the best possible places for small parts
and oddities like rack slides. I've shopped at them frequently, and would
not call many of their prices anywhere near "fully retail."
I'm sorry you didn't find them that helpful.
enough new stuff to keep people coming in. I found a
box of Apple II/PC
joysticks and bought all the A2 compatible ones, but mostly it was like the
first place.
There I will agree. His test gear prices are, for the most part, way too
high.
RA, on Walsh east of Layfette. Nice BIG warehouse of
junk electronics, but
computer stuff was just incidental. I found a box of junk connectix
<snip>
RA is mainly industrial stuff. I got a good deal on a pair of HP power
supplies when I was there in July, but they've been (unfortunately)
thoroughly contaminated by E-pay for the most part. They have a guy who
cherry-picks through their test gear, and weeds out the better stuff for
auction.
HSC, off the central expressway, no idea how I got to
it. Very much like
the first two places, too tidy, too retail. This isn't really that bad, I
<schlorp>
nothing got me excited during the visit. Some prices
were comically high,
but some were OK if you needed the item. Big collection of data books to
<schlorp again>
You must have spotted the same stripped-down/overpriced Compaq servers
that I saw. ;-)
HSC has a horrid habit of senseless cherry-picking, and those servers were
a great example. The morons in the warehouse stripped out the CPU boards,
bagged 'em, and (over)priced them separately from the already-overpriced
cases.
As for their test gear, don't even get me started. Do you know they've had
much of the same stuff in their as-is test gear section for at least three,
maybe as long as four years, all because they just won't lower the prices?
As for gas, food, and hotel rates, I'm a little surprised. Gas should have
come down a bit by now. Food's always been expensive. I'm stunned that any
Holiday Inn would be able to get that kind of rate for any sort of room.
I'm deeply grateful that I have relatives to stay with during my scrounge
trips.
I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to go farther north, up into San
Leandro, and visit Quinn Electronics. They're still very much a surplus
store in the truest sense of the word. Gather a pile, bring it up front,
and haggle on a price.
I do hope your trip held enough hits to make it worth running over the
pits. ;-)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our
own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
14 Jul
14 Jul
5:52 a.m.
New subject: 3 Days in San Jose, hits/pits
At 23:19 06-08-2000 -0800, Mike Ford wrote:
ES Electronic Solutions on Brokaw, not too exciting.
Too well organized
(shelves of cardboard bins with contents marked) and fully retail priced
stuff. I bought a few coax crimp connectors from the clearance bin, and
<schlorp>
Huh? Excess Solutions is one of the best possible places for small parts and oddities
like rack slides. I've shopped at them frequently, and would not call many of their
prices anywhere near "fully retail."
I'm sorry you didn't find them that helpful.
enough new stuff to keep people coming in. I found a
box of Apple II/PC
joysticks and bought all the A2 compatible ones, but mostly it was like the
first place.
There I will agree. His test gear prices are, for the most part, way too high.
RA, on Walsh east of Layfette. Nice BIG warehouse of
junk electronics, but
computer stuff was just incidental. I found a box of junk connectix
<snip>
RA is mainly industrial stuff. I got a good deal on a pair of HP power supplies when I
was there in July, but they've been (unfortunately) thoroughly contaminated by E-pay
for the most part. They have a guy who cherry-picks through their test gear, and weeds out
the better stuff for auction.
HSC, off the central expressway, no idea how I got to
it. Very much like
the first two places, too tidy, too retail. This isn't really that bad, I
<schlorp>
nothing got me excited during the visit. Some prices
were comically high,
but some were OK if you needed the item. Big collection of data books to
<schlorp again>
You must have spotted the same stripped-down/overpriced Compaq servers that I saw. ;-)
HSC has a horrid habit of senseless cherry-picking, and those servers were a great
example. The morons in the warehouse stripped out the CPU boards, bagged 'em, and
(over)priced them separately from the already-overpriced cases.
As for their test gear, don't even get me started. Do you know they've had much
of the same stuff in their as-is test gear section for at least three, maybe as long as
four years, all because they just won't lower the prices?
As for gas, food, and hotel rates, I'm a little surprised. Gas should have come down
a bit by now. Food's always been expensive. I'm stunned that any Holiday Inn would
be able to get that kind of rate for any sort of room. I'm deeply grateful that I have
relatives to stay with during my scrounge trips.
I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to go farther north, up into San Leandro, and
visit Quinn Electronics. They're still very much a surplus store in the truest sense
of the word. Gather a pile, bring it up front, and haggle on a price.
I do hope your trip held enough hits to make it worth running over the pits. ;-)
15 Jul
15 Jul
9:01 p.m.
New subject: 3 Days in San Jose, hits/pits
>ES Electronic Solutions on Brokaw, not too
exciting. Too well organized
>(shelves of cardboard bins with contents marked) and fully retail priced
Huh? Excess Solutions is one of the best possible
places for small
parts and oddities like rack slides. I've shopped at them frequently, and
would not call many of their prices anywhere near "fully retail."
I do hope your trip held enough hits to make it worth
running over
the pits. ;-)
A man with an apple tree finds apple prices at the store always too high,
ditto surplus stuff. I nose around too much at the source level of surplus
to be excited by prices in retail stores, and that is what ES is, a retail
store.
Funny its been just about a year since I made that trip and posted about
it, and last week I "found" most of the stuff I bought still in a couple
sacks. Goodiwise I would have to say the trip was a total bust, my time
hunting around very close to a complete waste. In a month I may be back up
in the area, and suspect I won't be going back to 90% of the places in my
last visit.
3 Aug
3 Aug
5:59 p.m.
New subject: pdp11/23+ backplane
Lawrence LeMay wrote:
Anybody out
here has a spare h9275 or h9276 backplane ?
I may be wrong... But wouldnt a PDP
11/24 backplane do the job? Since one
is on ebay, and noone is bidding on it, and its only $9.95 so far, I
thought I'd mention it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=395890200
6:43 p.m.
New subject: pdp11/23+ backplane
Jerome Fine wrote:
[Snip]
item: 398908711. The full URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=398908711
but for some reason, Netscape will not accept any characters in the URL
after the "&" character. Can anyone help with that problem?
Jerome Fine replies (to myself):
I turned off the html text in Netscape when I sent the response and it seems to
have put the complete URL back together. When I saved the draft before
it was sent, the part after the "&" was not included. Well, problem half
solved!
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
6:44 p.m.
New subject: pdp11/23+ backplaney
Jerome Fine replies:
Nope! At least I am reasonable sure. But in looking for the item, the URL
would not work the first time, so I did a search on PDP. This fellow is
able to get $US18.00 so far for the PDP-11/73 control panel. Look at
item: 398908711. The full URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=398908711
but for some reason, Netscape will not accept any characters in the URL
after the "&" character. Can anyone help with that problem?
Now, maybe I am a bit stupid, but I have a dozen of these floating around -
does anyone else want to offer me $US18.00 for each one;-) (Is that the
correct symbol?)
Gee, I only paid $17.50 for a PDP-11/20 panel about a week back. At $2
a pop for DEC bulbs, if only 9 of the bulbs work, the rest is just icing
on the cake...
-Lawrence LeMay
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