27 Sep
2004
27 Sep
'04
5:02 a.m.
Well Hurricane Jeanne has come and gone. This is the fourth hurricane in
6 weeks and the third that's gone through my area. The DEC and intel stuff
sitting outside STILL hasn't blown away! Not too much damage this time, for
the most part everything that could be torn up was destroyed in the
previous storms. However my roof shingles are finally starting to go. The
power companies are getting GOOD at this. This time they had the power back
on the same day! I think there's going to be lots of houses (or vacant
lots!) for sale in Florida real soon. I went to Home Depot this morning
and it was packed with people buying roofing materials and other repair
items. A lot of them also had "Home for Sale" signs in their carts!
I haven't heard from Glen. I know he was without power for five then
seven days from the two previous storms and I think he's about ready to
leave the state.
Joe
27 Sep
27 Sep
7:02 a.m.
Rumor has it that Joe R. may have mentioned these words:
Well Hurricane Jeanne has come and gone. This is the
fourth hurricane in
6 weeks and the third that's gone through my area. The DEC and intel stuff
sitting outside STILL hasn't blown away! Not too much damage this time, for
the most part everything that could be torn up was destroyed in the
previous storms. However my roof shingles are finally starting to go. The
power companies are getting GOOD at this. This time they had the power back
on the same day! I think there's going to be lots of houses (or vacant
lots!) for sale in Florida real soon. I went to Home Depot this morning
and it was packed with people buying roofing materials and other repair
items. A lot of them also had "Home for Sale" signs in their carts!
Can ya blame 'em?
I haven't heard from Glen. I know he was
without power for five then
seven days from the two previous storms and I think he's about ready to
leave the state.
Hopefully he keeps in touch (when he can) -- Depending on how far north he
(or anyone here) is willing to go (read: Northern Michigan) I'd be willing
to lend a hand with moving/storage/whatnot... I have a truck (and seating
for 5) & uncovered 5'x10' trailer, straps, tarps, etc...
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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7:56 a.m.
Roger Merchberger wrote:
Rumor has it that Joe R. may have mentioned these
words:
But then they don't have computers holding the house down.
You would think by now people would build better weather
proof homes, since the bad weather can be counted on.
Well Hurricane Jeanne has come and gone. This
is the fourth
hurricane in
6 weeks and the third that's gone through my area. The DEC and intel
stuff
sitting outside STILL hasn't blown away! Not too much damage this
time, for
the most part everything that could be torn up was destroyed in the
previous storms. However my roof shingles are finally starting to go. The
power companies are getting GOOD at this. This time they had the power
back
on the same day! I think there's going to be lots of houses (or vacant
lots!) for sale in Florida real soon. I went to Home Depot this morning
and it was packed with people buying roofing materials and other repair
items. A lot of them also had "Home for Sale" signs in their carts!
Can ya blame 'em? 
10:11 a.m.
ben franchuk wrote:
But then they don't have computers holding the
house down.
You would think by now people would build better weather
proof homes, since the bad weather can be counted on.
Up in the far North-West of Scotland, we have 90mph winds for most of
January. It's no coincidence that any "static" caravans are strapped
down with 4" wide truck ratchet straps every four feet. If you want to
hang washing up outside, you need to peg it to the line with molegrips.
Gordon.
10:16 a.m.
It was thus said that the Great ben franchuk once stated:
But then they don't have computers holding the house down.
You would think by now people would build better weather
proof homes, since the bad weather can be counted on.
Florida had a (waaaay) below average of hurricanes during the 70s, 80s and
90s. When Mom and I moved to South Florida in 1979, we were there less than a
month before Hurricane David threatened the area, only to turn north at the
last minute. Then ... nothing until Hurricane Andrew in 1992. Then ...
nothing until Hurricane Irene in 1999.
It took me living here 20 years before I experienced two hurricanes---my
girlfriend's kids took less than 2 years before experiencing two hurricanes.
Only now are we getting to above average hurricane activity (at least in
South Florida) so *now* perhaps we'll see better built homes.
Or homes for sale *real cheap* (which doesn't bother me in the slightest).
-spc (At least it seems to have quieted down in the Atlantic ... )
7:19 p.m.
Florida had a (waaaay) below average of hurricanes
during the 70s, 80s
and
90s. When Mom and I moved to South Florida in 1979,
we were there less
than a
month before Hurricane David threatened the area, only
to turn north at
the
last minute. Then ... nothing until Hurricane Andrew
in 1992. Then ...
nothing until Hurricane Irene in 1999.
It took me living here 20 years before I experienced two hurricanes---my
girlfriend's kids took less than 2 years before experiencing two
hurricanes.
Only now are we getting to above average hurricane
activity (at least in
South Florida) so *now* perhaps we'll see better built homes.
Or homes for sale *real cheap* (which doesn't bother me in the
slightest).
-spc (At least it seems to have quieted down in the Atlantic ... )
According to last week's New Scientist , you're facing another 10-20 years
of high hurricane activity - unfortunately.
It says :
" Hurricanes have been on the increase over the past decade as part of a
multi - decadal cycle. Hurricanes are more likely to form when the Atlantic
is warm - as from the 1930's to the 1960's. The decades since the 1960's saw
fewer hurricanes , but numbers have risen since 1995 and may not have
reached the predicted peak yet. This hurricane season has received more
attention mainly because many hurricanes over the past few years have failed
to make landfall in the US. "
" Look at the Caribbean and it's a different story " - says Alberto
Mestas-Nunez from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in
Miami.
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996446
Geoff.
29 Dec
29 Dec
9:32 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=1104276545.msg
Tulip Computers announce the sale of Commodore to the American
Yeahronimo Media Ventures for 24 million Euro. Click 'read more' for
a Babelfish translation of the original article.
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10:20 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
Here's the English press release from Tulip:
http://www.tulip.com/aboutus/corp_article.asp?nid=171
--- "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote:
http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=1104276545.msg
Tulip Computers announce the sale of Commodore to the American
Yeahronimo Media Ventures for 24 million Euro. Click 'read more' for
a Babelfish translation of the original article.
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11:39 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote:
http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=1104276545.msg
Tulip Computers announce the sale of Commodore to the American
Yeahronimo Media Ventures for 24 million Euro. Click 'read more' for
a Babelfish translation of the original article.
24 MILLION Euro? FOR WHAT? Commodore means NOTHING commercially anymore.
It's a god damn pyramid scheme at this point. Each new owner hoping to
find an even more naive buyer than they were.
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11:47 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=1104276545.msg
Tulip Computers announce the sale of Commodore to the American
Yeahronimo Media Ventures for 24 million Euro. Click 'read more' for
a Babelfish translation of the original article.
24 MILLION Euro? FOR WHAT? Commodore means NOTHING commercially anymore.
It's a god damn pyramid scheme at this point. Each new owner hoping to
find an even more naive buyer than they were.
11:57 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
If Tulip couldn't properly capitalize on it, then
relative unknown
Yeahronimo is paying 24 million EUR merely for a chance to be laughed at
by future retrocomputer geeks.
You nailed it. We are witnessing computer business history in the making
here. This is going to push that story about Osborne (going out of
business due to announcing their next product too early) to second place
in business school case studies.
Sorry, I'm just flabberghasted at the stupidity of this. I wish I had
that much stupid money to throw away.
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11:48 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
24 MILLION Euro? FOR WHAT? Commodore means NOTHING
commercially anymore.
It's a god damn pyramid scheme at this point. Each new owner hoping to
find an even more naive buyer than they were.
Does it? I think it might, now that all the kids that grew up on C64s have
money.
Anyway, 24 million Euro just isn't that big of a business transaction
these days.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
11:59 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, William Donzelli wrote:
Bah! The group that you refer to is not worth EU$24 million, plain and
simple. The Commodore brand name is meaningless in the greater
marketplace at this point. Sure you've got a few thousand diehards that
might buy a Commodore MP3 player as a novelty, but what does that net you?
24 MILLION
Euro? FOR WHAT? Commodore means NOTHING commercially anymore.
It's a god damn pyramid scheme at this point. Each new owner hoping to
find an even more naive buyer than they were.
Does it? I think it might, now that all the kids that grew up on C64s have
money. Anyway, 24 million Euro just isn't that big of a
business transaction
these days.
It is when it's used to purchase dust.
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12:18 p.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
Bah! The group that you refer to is not worth EU$24
million, plain and
simple.
Some of the kids that grew up playing with C64s make 24 million Euro a
year. It is not just the retro crowd, but the whole generation.
It is the name. Some names come back with incredible power (Packard-Bell
anyone?). 24 mE might actually be cheap.
The Commodore brand name is meaningless in the
greater
marketplace at this point. Sure you've got a few thousand diehards that
might buy a Commodore MP3 player as a novelty, but what does that net you?
Get into the mind of a marketting boob. Imagine coming out with a line of
MP3 players or game machines, or whatever. Everytime you show a commercial
or ad with the "new" Commodore, countless people, geeks or otherwise, will
think of the happy memories of spending a couple of hours a day after high
school playing games on you C64 (that's what I did, anyway). No pressures,
mom isn't home, screw German homework, a stack of cookies, maybe a little
Green Guy, and Racing Construction Set. Good memories leave a good
impression, and the ad works.
Now get out.
It is when it's used to purchase dust.
How much does it cost to make a series of television commercials? They are
just a different marketing tool.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
1:20 p.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
$24 million Euro is a lot to pay for a trademark. The Commodore name,
although recognizable, has not delivered a product in 10 years. Part of my
job as a banker is evaluating things like this for financing. I've seen
valuations like this before but for marks associated with an active,
in-business company currently selling product. And even then, valuations
like this are associated with top-level brands.
If the business plan was to bring out a line of computers (retro or
otherwise), then one could possibly justify the steep price for a "dead"
(menaing not selling any product) name. The only thing the "Commodore" name
has going for it at this point is the high recognition factor. I bet it's
above 90% but only for certain age groups. Ask your average 15-year-old
about it and the recognition level is probably below 20%.
To pay $24mm to slap a "nostalgic" name on MP3 players is a losing
proposition, as evidenced by the buying and selling of the name over the
last few years.
Just my $0.02. I love the Commodore brand -- it was the first machine I
bought -- and it kills me that it get's traded the way it does.
Rich
Rich
Rich Cini
Collector of classic computers
Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project
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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:18 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Commodore sold yet again
Bah! The group that you refer to is not worth EU$24
million, plain and
simple.
Some of the kids that grew up playing with C64s make 24 million Euro a
year. It is not just the retro crowd, but the whole generation.
It is the name. Some names come back with incredible power (Packard-Bell
anyone?). 24 mE might actually be cheap.
The Commodore brand name is meaningless in the
greater
marketplace at this point. Sure you've got a few thousand diehards that
might buy a Commodore MP3 player as a novelty, but what does that net you?
Get into the mind of a marketting boob. Imagine coming out with a line of
MP3 players or game machines, or whatever. Everytime you show a commercial
or ad with the "new" Commodore, countless people, geeks or otherwise, will
think of the happy memories of spending a couple of hours a day after high
school playing games on you C64 (that's what I did, anyway). No pressures,
mom isn't home, screw German homework, a stack of cookies, maybe a little
Green Guy, and Racing Construction Set. Good memories leave a good
impression, and the ad works.
Now get out.
It is when it's used to purchase dust.
How much does it cost to make a series of television commercials? They are
just a different marketing tool.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
1:26 p.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
For whatever it's worth, the player they're planning for April 2005 will also
play Commodore games. (Maybe via Jeri Ellsworth's technology? They didn't
specify.)
--- "Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)optonline.net> wrote:
$24 million Euro is a lot to pay for a trademark. The Commodore name,
although recognizable, has not delivered a product in 10 years. Part of my
job as a banker is evaluating things like this for financing. I've seen
valuations like this before but for marks associated with an active,
in-business company currently selling product. And even then, valuations
like this are associated with top-level brands.
If the business plan was to bring out a line of computers (retro or
otherwise), then one could possibly justify the steep price for a "dead"
(menaing not selling any product) name. The only thing the "Commodore" name
has going for it at this point is the high recognition factor. I bet it's
above 90% but only for certain age groups. Ask your average 15-year-old
about it and the recognition level is probably below 20%.
To pay $24mm to slap a "nostalgic" name on MP3 players is a losing
proposition, as evidenced by the buying and selling of the name over the
last few years.
Just my $0.02. I love the Commodore brand -- it was the first machine I
bought -- and it kills me that it get's traded the way it does.
Rich
Rich
Rich Cini
Collector of classic computers
Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project
Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
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Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Commodore sold yet again
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Bah! The group that you refer to is not worth
EU$24 million, plain and
simple.
Some of the kids that grew up playing with C64s make 24 million Euro a
year. It is not just the retro crowd, but the whole generation.
It is the name. Some names come back with incredible power (Packard-Bell
anyone?). 24 mE might actually be cheap.
The Commodore brand name is meaningless in the
greater
marketplace at this point. Sure you've got a few thousand diehards that
might buy a Commodore MP3 player as a novelty, but what does that net you?
Get into the mind of a marketting boob. Imagine coming out with a line of
MP3 players or game machines, or whatever. Everytime you show a commercial
or ad with the "new" Commodore, countless people, geeks or otherwise, will
think of the happy memories of spending a couple of hours a day after high
school playing games on you C64 (that's what I did, anyway). No pressures,
mom isn't home, screw German homework, a stack of cookies, maybe a little
Green Guy, and Racing Construction Set. Good memories leave a good
impression, and the ad works.
Now get out.
It is when it's used to purchase dust.
How much does it cost to make a series of television commercials? They are
just a different marketing tool.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
4:09 p.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Computer Collector Newsletter wrote:
For whatever it's worth, the player they're
planning for April 2005 will
also play Commodore games. (Maybe via Jeri Ellsworth's technology? They
didn't specify.)
Yeah, and so will every Nokia phone with integrated MP3 player and
organizer.
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4:07 p.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, William Donzelli wrote:
So? Didn't Studebaker try to come out with a new model after 40 years?
Did every baby boomer go out and buy one?
Commodore as a brand name is meaningless today.
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Bah! The
group that you refer to is not worth EU$24 million, plain and
simple.
Some of the kids that grew up playing with C64s make 24 million Euro a
year. It is not just the retro crowd, but the whole generation. It is the name. Some names come back with incredible
power (Packard-Bell
anyone?). 24 mE might actually be cheap.
And some names go out with incredible ignominy (Packard-Bell anyone?)
It is when
it's used to purchase dust.
How much does it cost to make a series of television commercials? They are
just a different marketing tool.
9:13 p.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
And some names go out with incredible ignominy
(Packard-Bell anyone?)
But you have to admit - the "new" Packard-Bell sold one hell of a bunch of
machines ten years ago. Whoever bought that brand name picked a winner. I
bet they managed to get more than 24 mE worth of marketting out of it.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
30 Dec
30 Dec
3:11 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, William Donzelli wrote:
I am not swayed by your logic.
:)
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And some names
go out with incredible ignominy (Packard-Bell anyone?)
But you have to admit - the "new" Packard-Bell sold one hell of a bunch of
machines ten years ago. Whoever bought that brand name picked a winner. I
bet they managed to get more than 24 mE worth of marketting out of it. 
3:22 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
Now if the new device coming out in April can play SID music, I may be
tempted to buy one. :)
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
3:34 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
Rumor has it that William Donzelli may have mentioned these words:
Who wants to restart all the advocacy wars? Could you actually see all of
us around the shuffleboard court at the old-age home, *still* arguing about
which platform was best (or beaten to death)?
* Eh, I see that Atari finally licensed Combat for the 2600 yet again, and
I'm running it on my 66.08 ExaHertz Amtel Pentathon 77 in an emulator, and
it's almost like the real thing!
: What? Only ancient Fuddyduddies run Atari. They weren't as good as my
great-grandma, and she farts dust! Commodore just came out with their
Vic20/C64/128/Amiga4000T joystick, and let me tell you, *those* games are
where it's at, even 60 years later. Of course, I can't remember how to play
any of them, and threw my back out picking up that durned joystick...
=-=-= :-)
Admittedly, if there's enough stupid people on this planet that they can
actually make money, more power to 'em; but I'm with Sellam on this one.
Bah! The
group that you refer to is not worth EU$24 million, plain and
simple.
Some of the kids that grew up playing with C64s make 24 million Euro a
year. It is not just the retro crowd, but the whole generation. It is the name. Some names come back with incredible
power (Packard-Bell
anyone?).
You call that *power* -- They were pitiful to begin with, and the few
machines I've seen now (I've heard they teamed with NEC for the Canadian
market, but I've only seen one or two of those machines, and they're still
*junk*) -- Their one big "hurrah" was getting in with Walmart - but even
then they went bankrupt due to their cheap crap.
How many people get misty-eyed over a Packard-Hell? No-one I know -- and if
the new purchasers of Commodore pull the same crap Packard-Hell has,
they'll alienate the few remaining diehards that're left...
It's sometimes better to save face and die a dignified death... ;-)
24 mE might actually be cheap.
24 milli-Euroes is about all I'd have considered for it. ;-)
Get into the mind of a marketting boob.
Do that, and you may never get out with your sanity intact... ;-)
Happy Hollydaze,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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6:29 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
You call that *power* -- They were pitiful to begin
with, and the few
machines I've seen now (I've heard they teamed with NEC for the Canadian
market, but I've only seen one or two of those machines, and they're still
*junk*) -- Their one big "hurrah" was getting in with Walmart - but even
then they went bankrupt due to their cheap crap.
How many people get misty-eyed over a Packard-Hell? No-one I know -- and if
the new purchasers of Commodore pull the same crap Packard-Hell has,
they'll alienate the few remaining diehards that're left...
Well, I never said they were anything more than junk.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
2:33 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
At 07:39 PM 12/29/2004, you wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Who knows how Gareth translated it... it's quite poorly worded.
And it's a press release for goodness sake, translated from
Dutch to English. It may be obscuring the truth. Did they
pay real money up front? Is Tulip getting payments over time?
Is that what the third paragraph is trying to say? What's with
the "subsidiary" talk in the first paragraph?
There are so many trust fund babies who've inherited fortunes
larger than they could squander in decades, you never know who
wants to wish-fulfill and why. Geeks always want things to make
sense, for the technologically superior gizmo to win. Doesn't
work that way. If someone believes their luck and skill will
improve by buying an old trademark, perhaps they'll pay.
- John
http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=1104276545.msg
Tulip Computers announce the sale of Commodore to the American
Yeahronimo Media Ventures for 24 million Euro. Click 'read more' for
a Babelfish translation of the original article.
24 MILLION Euro? FOR WHAT? Commodore means NOTHING commercially anymore.
It's a god damn pyramid scheme at this point. Each new owner hoping to
find an even more naive buyer than they were.
4:51 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
Who knows how Gareth translated it... it's quite
poorly worded.
And it's a press release for goodness sake, translated from
Dutch to English. It may be obscuring the truth. Did they
pay real money up front? Is Tulip getting payments over time?
I don't know about anything up front, but the total 24x10^6 EUR isn't
due in full until 2010.
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4:57 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
At 12:51 PM 12/30/2004, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
I don't know about anything up front, but the total
24x10^6 EUR isn't
due in full until 2010.
And the English press release mentioned later in the thread
makes it more clear that it's only a subsidiary of Tulip
that's buying these rights. They can balance the payments
any way their accountants will let them. This "price" isn't
quite the same as someone walking up with a stack of bills.
(But given the massively out-of-order sequence that I
receive this mailing list, who knows.)
- John
9:15 a.m.
New subject: Commodore sold yet again
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
24 MILLION Euro? FOR WHAT? Commodore means NOTHING
commercially anymore.
It's a god damn pyramid scheme at this point. Each new owner hoping to
find an even more naive buyer than they were.
But consider,...
Lotus sued Adam Osborne's Paperback Software out of existence,
because his Visi-Clone smelled like their Visi-Clone.
If Adam were to have been just a little faster plunking down
about $10K for the residual debris of the IP of VisiCalc,
then he could have REVERSED that suit.
Likewise, Novell was not interested in the assets of DRI,
other than the Copyright ownershio of CP/M, and hence immunity
from IP persecution from MICROS~1.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
3 Oct
3 Oct
6:19 a.m.
Hey, Merch, thanks for the offer. I think we're looking for
someplace with a little less snow, though . . .
Glen
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Merchberger" <zmerch(a)30below.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Survived another one!
Rumor has it that Joe R. may have mentioned these
words:
> Well Hurricane Jeanne has come and gone. This is the fourth hurricane
in
>6 weeks and the third that's gone through my
area. The DEC and intel
stuff
>sitting outside STILL hasn't blown away! Not
too much damage this time,
for
>the most part everything that could be torn up was
destroyed in the
>previous storms. However my roof shingles are finally starting to go. The
>power companies are getting GOOD at this. This time they had the power
back
on the same
day! I think there's going to be lots of houses (or vacant
lots!) for sale in Florida real soon. I went to Home Depot this morning
and it was packed with people buying roofing materials and other repair
items. A lot of them also had "Home for Sale" signs in their carts!
Can ya blame 'em?
I haven't heard from Glen. I know he was
without power for five then
seven days from the two previous storms and I think he's about ready to
leave the state.
Hopefully he keeps in touch (when he can) -- Depending on how far north he
(or anyone here) is willing to go (read: Northern Michigan) I'd be willing
to lend a hand with moving/storage/whatnot... I have a truck (and seating
for 5) & uncovered 5'x10' trailer, straps, tarps, etc...
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Randomization is better!!!
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
6:15 a.m.
Glad you made it through okay, Joe.
I, too, survived, but I'm really starting to lose my sense of
humor about these hurricanes.
This time we had damage to our roof (at home), and during
the storm the water rose around our back door and started
blowing underneath the door and into the room where my
classic machines live. I had to scramble to get everything to
dry space, but it looks like there were no casualties (except for
the carpet). No loss of electricity this time, though.
Again, the upside: we are still alive. Others may be shopping
for chainsaws, but I'm scoping out U-Haul trucks.
Later --
Glen
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:02 PM
Subject: Survived another one!
Well Hurricane Jeanne has come and gone. This is the
fourth hurricane in
6 weeks and the third that's gone through my area. The DEC and intel stuff
sitting outside STILL hasn't blown away! Not too much damage this time,
for
the most part everything that could be torn up was
destroyed in the
previous storms. However my roof shingles are finally starting to go. The
power companies are getting GOOD at this. This time they had the power
back
on the same day! I think there's going to be lots
of houses (or vacant
lots!) for sale in Florida real soon. I went to Home Depot this morning
and it was packed with people buying roofing materials and other repair
items. A lot of them also had "Home for Sale" signs in their carts!
I haven't heard from Glen. I know he was without power for five then
seven days from the two previous storms and I think he's about ready to
leave the state.
Joe
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