14 Aug
2021
14 Aug
'21
9:18 a.m.
I ran into a YouTube video, that it is 5 years old, titled "Ultrix-11
3.1 on an emulated PDP-11/73" and I found it very interesting.
It shows installation of Ultrix-11 under SIMH.? The fellow steps through
the installation process and appears to be quite knowable.
I wanted to replicate it but couldn't locate the *.tap file used in the
video that was an image of the bootable TK50 distribution.
Bitsavers and tuhs.org have Ultrix-11 files, but not the bootable tape
image.
Anyone know where the tape image is located?
Doug
14 Aug
14 Aug
10:54 a.m.
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:19 AM Douglas Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I ran into a YouTube video, that it is 5 years old,
titled "Ultrix-11
3.1 on an emulated PDP-11/73" and I found it very interesting.
It shows installation of Ultrix-11 under SIMH. The fellow steps through
the installation process and appears to be quite knowable.
I wanted to replicate it but couldn't locate the *.tap file used in the
video that was an image of the bootable TK50 distribution.
Bitsavers and tuhs.org have Ultrix-11 files, but not the bootable tape
image.
Anyone know where the tape image is located?
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-3.1/
has ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz and seems to be, at first blush, the boot
tape (or its files) that you are looking for.
Warner
1:08 p.m.
On 8/14/2021 1:54 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:19 AM Douglas Taylor via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
I ran into a YouTube video, that it is 5 years old, titled "Ultrix-11
3.1 on an emulated PDP-11/73" and I found it very interesting.
It shows installation of Ultrix-11 under SIMH.? The fellow steps
through
the installation process and appears to be quite knowable.
I wanted to replicate it but couldn't locate the *.tap file used
in the
video that was an image of the bootable TK50 distribution.
Bitsavers and tuhs.org <http://tuhs.org> have Ultrix-11 files, but
not the bootable tape
image.
Anyone know where the tape image is located?
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-3.1/
<https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-3.1/>
has?ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz and seems to be, at first blush, the
boot tape (or its files) that you are looking for.
Warner
I took a look at that file and don't exactly know what to do with it.?
It is not a bootable image of a tape, but rather the files that are on
that tape.? Have to do some more digging.? Its a learning experience.
1:36 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 2:08 PM Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4 at comcast.net> wrote:
On 8/14/2021 1:54 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:19 AM Douglas Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
There are several prep programs that take the tape files and make a .tap
file.
Warner
I ran into a YouTube video, that it is 5 years
old, titled "Ultrix-11
3.1 on an emulated PDP-11/73" and I found it very interesting.
It shows installation of Ultrix-11 under SIMH. The fellow steps through
the installation process and appears to be quite knowable.
I wanted to replicate it but couldn't locate the *.tap file used in the
video that was an image of the bootable TK50 distribution.
Bitsavers and tuhs.org have Ultrix-11 files, but not the bootable tape
image.
Anyone know where the tape image is located?
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-3.1/
has ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz and seems to be, at first blush, the boot
tape (or its files) that you are looking for.
Warner
I took a look at that file and don't exactly know what to do with it. It
is not a bootable image of a tape, but rather the files that are on that
tape. Have to do some more digging. Its a learning experience.
2:26 p.m.
On 8/14/2021 1:36 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 2:08 PM Douglas Taylor
<dj.taylor4 at comcast.net> wrote:
I unzipped all the cctalk images I have and in the 2000 time frame
there's a discussion about running 3.x version and upgrading to 4.x.
Fun to see digression into how Netscape is having trouble with java
extensions to the Altavista search engine they were looking for
image info with.
This is the closest to the subject I found.? No references to any tape
images of the 3.x version.
From July 2008 archive (I think Jay has these online somewhere back
that far)
From richardlynch3 at tx.rr.com? Wed Jul 23 20:44:41 2008
From: richardlynch3 at tx.rr.com (Richard Lynch)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:44:41 -0500
Subject: ultrix on simh
On 7/23/08 7:09 AM, "Tom Manos" <tommytune123 at gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/14/2021 1:54 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:19 AM Douglas Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
There are several prep programs that take the tape files and make a .tap
file.
Warner
I ran into a YouTube video, that it is 5 years
old, titled "Ultrix-11
3.1 on an emulated PDP-11/73" and I found it very interesting.
It shows installation of Ultrix-11 under SIMH. The fellow steps through
the installation process and appears to be quite knowable.
I wanted to replicate it but couldn't locate the *.tap file used in the
video that was an image of the bootable TK50 distribution.
Bitsavers and tuhs.org have Ultrix-11 files, but not the bootable tape
image.
Anyone know where the tape image is located?
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-3.1/
has ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz and seems to be, at first blush, the boot
tape (or its files) that you are looking for.
Warner
I took a look at that file and don't exactly know what to do with it. It
is not a bootable image of a tape, but rather the files that are on that
tape. Have to do some more digging. Its a learning experience.
Hi,
I'm running Ultrix V2 on Simh quite happily today and have a couple
of goals
I don't know how to accomplish. I'm hoping
someone here can help.
... snip ...
I have an image of an Ultrix V3.1 upgrade tape I can send if you want to try
it.? You should be able to mount it as a tape in the simh vax emulator and
boot it.? If you want to go a little further, I also have V4.x images.
Richard Lynch
Thanks
Jim
9:53 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 3:26 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I did some quick searching and couldn't find a Ultrix-11 V2 image out in
the interwebs...
Anybody have better google fu than me that can hook me up?
Warner
I'm
running Ultrix V2 on Simh quite happily today and have a couple
9:55 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:53 PM Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:
n Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 3:26 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Doh! No sooner did I send this that I found
http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/ultrix-11/BB-X302B-BC_ULTR…
so never mind.
Of course Al has it.
Warner
I'm
running Ultrix V2 on Simh quite happily today and have a couple
I did some quick searching and couldn't find a Ultrix-11 V2 image out in
the interwebs...
Anybody have better google fu than me that can hook me up?
15 Aug
15 Aug
8:05 a.m.
On 8/14/2021 11:53 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 3:26 PM jim stephens via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I did some quick searching and couldn't find a Ultrix-11 V2 image out in
the interwebs...
Anybody have better google fu than me that can hook me up?
Warner
FYI, I have Images of the RX50 floppies for V7M. Al - let me know if
you want them, and I will put them up for you to snag - 33 floppies
worth. I have *not* tried to install from them.
I also have *part* of version 1 of Ultrix 32 (Vax) - but only the first
tape. (Version 1.1 is up on Bitsavers). If anyone wants it let me
know. It is in AWS format, but it is trivial to make an image suitable
for use with SimH.
ID: CC0003
EXTERNAL-LABEL: BB-BG41A-BE
DATE: 2000/07/23
SOURCE:
SOURCE-DATE:
DENSITY: 1600 BPI
LABEL: NL
DESCRIPTION: ULTRIX-32 V1 BIN 16MT9 1/2
FILE-COUNT: 5
PC-FILE-COUNT: 2
[FILE]
NAME:
FORMAT: 512 Byte Blocks
ERRORS: NONE
NAME:
FORMAT: 10240 Byte Blocks
ERRORS: NONE
NAME:
FORMAT: 10240 Byte Blocks
ERRORS: NONE
NAME:
FORMAT: 10240 Byte Blocks
ERRORS: NONE
NAME:
FORMAT: 10240 Byte Blocks
ERRORS: NONE
[PC-FILE]
FILENAME: ultrix.aws
FORMAT: AWS Tape image of tape
JRJ
I'm
running Ultrix V2 on Simh quite happily today and have a couple
8:10 a.m.
On 8/15/21 12:53 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 3:26 PM jim stephens via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I did some quick searching and couldn't find a Ultrix-11 V2 image out in
the interwebs...
Anybody have better google fu than me that can hook me up?
Warner
With 3.1 available why would you want to run 2.0? Someone mentioned
a 4.0. I don't remember there ever being anything after 3.1 (promised,
but never saw it delivered) Would be fun to look at. But I suspect
anything beginning with 4 is actually Ultrix-32 which I think went as
far as 4.5.
bill
I'm
running Ultrix V2 on Simh quite happily today and have a couple
9:29 a.m.
On Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 9:11 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 8/15/21 12:53 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
Historical research.
Warner
Someone mentioned
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 3:26 PM jim stephens via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I did some quick searching and couldn't find a Ultrix-11 V2 image out in
the interwebs...
Anybody have better google fu than me that can hook me up?
Warner
With 3.1 available why would you want to run 2.0? I'm
running Ultrix V2 on Simh quite happily today and have a couple
a 4.0. I don't remember there ever being anything
after 3.1 (promised,
but never saw it delivered) Would be fun to look at. But I suspect
anything beginning with 4 is actually Ultrix-32 which I think went as
far as 4.5.
bill
6:59 p.m.
On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 9:29 AM Warner Losh via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Historical research.
Warner
Someone mentioned
On Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 9:11 AM Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I don't
have a proper V2 distribution, but I did manage to compile it from
the sources that are flying around and create a working installation. I
could not figure out how to create installation media though, the process
seems to require some kind of "prototype disk" which I don't have and
didn't have the motivation to reverse engineer.
Somebody (not me) helpfully uploaded it to archive.org:
https://archive.org/details/vax-ultrix-2.0.tar
On 8/15/21 12:53 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk
wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 3:26 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> > I'm running Ultrix V2 on Simh quite happily today and have a
couple
>>
>
> I did some quick searching and couldn't find a Ultrix-11 V2 image out
in
> the interwebs...
>
> Anybody have better google fu than me that can hook me up?
Warner
With 3.1 available why would you want to run 2.0? a 4.0. I don't remember there ever being
anything after 3.1 (promised,
but never saw it delivered) Would be fun to look at. But I suspect
anything beginning with 4 is actually Ultrix-32 which I think went as
far as 4.5.
bill
14 Aug
14 Aug
9:45 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 2:36 PM Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 2:08 PM Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4 at comcast.net>
wrote:
Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3 in the tuhs archive has complete
instructions as well as a program to build the ultrix tapes
Warner
On 8/14/2021 1:54 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:19 AM Douglas Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
There are several prep programs that take the tape files and make a .tap
file.
I ran into a YouTube video, that it is 5 years
old, titled "Ultrix-11
3.1 on an emulated PDP-11/73" and I found it very interesting.
It shows installation of Ultrix-11 under SIMH. The fellow steps through
the installation process and appears to be quite knowable.
I wanted to replicate it but couldn't locate the *.tap file used in the
video that was an image of the bootable TK50 distribution.
Bitsavers and tuhs.org have Ultrix-11 files, but not the bootable tape
image.
Anyone know where the tape image is located?
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-3.1/
has ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz and seems to be, at first blush, the boot
tape (or its files) that you are looking for.
Warner
I took a look at that file and don't exactly know what to do with it. It
is not a bootable image of a tape, but rather the files that are on that
tape. Have to do some more digging. Its a learning experience.
Warner
>
15 Aug
15 Aug
8:08 a.m.
On 8/15/21 12:45 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 2:36 PM Warner Losh <imp at
bsdimp.com> wrote:
It took a day because I wanted to test it but I have a TK50 image that
works with SIMH. I did an install on an 11/73 with 3M of memory and
two RD54's. Worked fine. It's been a while since I did any Ultrix-11
on real or simulated hardware.
Have no idea how to get this tape to anyone. It's just shy of 4M. Not
sure if it could be emailed. The SIMH ini file is trivially simple but
I could provide that as well.
I have nowhere I could put it up for download. I don't do things like
Google Drive. Maybe we need a GITHUB site or something for Ultrix stuff.
bill
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 2:08 PM Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4 at comcast.net>
wrote:
Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3 in the tuhs archive has complete
instructions as well as a program to build the ultrix tapes
On 8/14/2021 1:54 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:19 AM Douglas Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
There are several prep programs that take the tape files and make a .tap
file.
I ran into a YouTube video, that it is 5 years
old, titled "Ultrix-11
3.1 on an emulated PDP-11/73" and I found it very interesting.
It shows installation of Ultrix-11 under SIMH. The fellow steps through
the installation process and appears to be quite knowable.
I wanted to replicate it but couldn't locate the *.tap file used in the
video that was an image of the bootable TK50 distribution.
Bitsavers and tuhs.org have Ultrix-11 files, but not the bootable tape
image.
Anyone know where the tape image is located?
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-3.1/
has ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz and seems to be, at first blush, the boot
tape (or its files) that you are looking for.
Warner
I took a look at that file and don't exactly know what to do with it. It
is not a bootable image of a tape, but rather the files that are on that
tape. Have to do some more digging. Its a learning experience.
3:23 p.m.
On 8/15/21 11:44 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 8/15/21 8:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
I use Gmail. Don't know if they have a limit or not. Want me to
try to email it to you?
bill
It's just shy of 4M. Not
sure if it could be emailed.
If your system will accept something that big, I can receive it.
It isn't uncommon anymore for mail clients to accept 10mb attachments
thanks to HTML mail bloat.
3:45 p.m.
If you can't get it to transfer, I can give you a temporary account on
filedump.glitchwrks.com to upload it.
Thanks,
Jonathan
??????? Original Message ???????
On Sunday, August 15th, 2021 at 18:23, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 8/15/21 11:44 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 8/15/21 8:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
I use Gmail. Don't know if they have a limit or not. Want me to
try to email it to you?
bill It's just shy of 4M. Not
sure if it could be emailed.
If your system will accept something that big, I can receive it.
It isn't uncommon anymore for mail clients to accept 10mb attachments
thanks to HTML mail bloat.
9:42 a.m.
On Aug 15, 2021, at 10:08, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
?On 8/15/21 12:45 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
It took a day because I wanted to test it but I have a TK50 image that
works with SIMH. I did an install on an 11/73 with 3M of memory and
two RD54's. Worked fine. It's been a while since I did any Ultrix-11
on real or simulated hardware.
Have no idea how to get this tape to anyone. It's just shy of 4M. Not
sure if it could be emailed. The SIMH ini file is trivially simple but
I could provide that as well.
I have nowhere I could put it up for download. I don't do things like
Google Drive. Maybe we need a GITHUB site or something for Ultrix stuff.
bill
Would presumably be a lot smaller gzip?d?
On Sat,
Aug 14, 2021 at 2:36 PM Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 2:08 PM Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4 at comcast.net>
wrote:
Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3 in the tuhs archive has complete
instructions as well as a program to build the ultrix tapes On 8/14/2021 1:54 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:19 AM Douglas Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I ran into a YouTube video, that it is 5 years old, titled "Ultrix-11
> 3.1 on an emulated PDP-11/73" and I found it very interesting.
> It shows installation of Ultrix-11 under SIMH. The fellow steps through
> the installation process and appears to be quite knowable.
> I wanted to replicate it but couldn't locate the *.tap file used in the
> video that was an image of the bootable TK50 distribution.
> Bitsavers and tuhs.org have Ultrix-11 files, but not the bootable tape
> image.
> Anyone know where the tape image is located?
>
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-3.1/
has ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz and seems to be, at first blush, the boot
tape (or its files) that you are looking for.
Warner
I took a look at that file and don't exactly know what to do with it. It
is not a bootable image of a tape, but rather the files that are on that
tape. Have to do some more digging. Its a learning experience.
There are several prep programs that take the tape files and make a .tap
file.
16 Aug
16 Aug
11:55 a.m.
On 8/15/2021 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon
via cctalk wrote:
On 8/15/21 12:45 AM, Warner Losh via
cctalk wrote:
Bill's file is at:
http://www.cimmeri.com/js/download/ultrix-11/
Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3
in the tuhs archive has complete
instructions as well as a program to
build the ultrix tapes
It took a day because I wanted to test
it but I have a TK50 image that
works with SIMH. I did an install on
an 11/73 with 3M of memory and
two RD54's. Worked fine. It's been a
while since I did any Ultrix-11
on real or simulated hardware.
Have no idea how to get this tape to
anyone. It's just shy of 4M. Not
sure if it could be emailed. The SIMH
ini file is trivially simple but
I could provide that as well.
I have nowhere I could put it up for
download. I don't do things like
Google Drive. Maybe we need a GITHUB
site or something for Ultrix stuff.
bill
18 Aug
18 Aug
5:11 p.m.
On 8/16/21 2:55 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote:
On 8/15/2021 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
So, anybody got a system running from that tape yet?
(Other than me :-)
bill
On 8/15/21 12:45 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk
wrote:
Bill's file is at:
http://www.cimmeri.com/js/download/ultrix-11/
Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3 in the tuhs archive has
complete
instructions as well as a program to build the ultrix tapes
It took a day because I wanted to test it but I have a TK50 image that
works with SIMH.? I did an install on an 11/73 with 3M of memory and
two RD54's.? Worked fine.? It's been a while since I did any Ultrix-11
on real or simulated hardware.
Have no idea how to get this tape to anyone.? It's just shy of 4M. Not
sure if it could be emailed.? The SIMH ini file is trivially simple but
I could provide that as well.
I have nowhere I could put it up for download.? I don't do things like
Google Drive.? Maybe we need a GITHUB site or something for Ultrix stuff.
bill
8:42 p.m.
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 6:11 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 8/16/21 2:55 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote:
So, anybody got a system running from that tape yet?
(Other than me :-)
Does this count? I named it bill because I wasn't sure which version it was
:)
And I did it from tape, not RX-50s and swapping 31 of them in/out with
simh... And I couldn't get 11/73 to work (I think my simh has a regression
there), but 11/83 worked just fine.
ULTRIX-11 System V3.1 (bill)
login: root
Welcome to the ULTRIX-11 System
erase = delete, kill = ^U, intr = ^C
bill# uname -a
ULTRIX-11 bill 3 0 PDP-11/83
bill# df
Filesystem total kbytes kbytes percent
node kbytes used free used Mounted on
/dev/rd00 4654 3076 1578 66% /
/dev/rd01 8302 7708 594 93% /usr
bill#
But I did something wrong... It prompts me for the load device on each
reboot.
sim> boot rq0
Sizing Memory...
Boot: rd(0,0)unix (CTRL/C will abort auto-boot)
Load device (? for help, <RETURN> if none) < ht tm ts tk rx rl rc > ? tk
rd(0,0)unix:
14784+17024+8192+8000+8064+8000+8064+8128+8000+7808+7936+7936+7680+7360+1344
ULTRIX-11 Kernel V3.1
...
(and I think my simh is a bit wonky because it doesn't quite work: it hangs
On 8/15/2021 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> On 8/15/21 12:45 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3 in the tuhs archive has
>> complete
>> instructions as well as a program to build the ultrix tapes
>>
>
> It took a day because I wanted to test it but I have a TK50 image that
> works with SIMH. I did an install on an 11/73 with 3M of memory and
> two RD54's. Worked fine. It's been a while since I did any Ultrix-11
> on real or simulated hardware.
>
> Have no idea how to get this tape to anyone. It's just shy of 4M. Not
> sure if it could be emailed. The SIMH ini file is trivially simple but
> I could provide that as well.
>
> I have nowhere I could put it up for download. I don't do things like
> Google Drive. Maybe we need a GITHUB site or something for Ultrix
stuff.
bill
Bill's file is at:
http://www.cimmeri.com/js/download/ultrix-11/
from time to time, but only after a reset)
Warner
9:07 p.m.
pretty cool
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 11:42 PM Warner Losh via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 6:11 PM Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
So, anybody got a system running from that tape yet?
(Other than me :-)
Does this count? I named it bill because I wasn't sure which version it was
:)
And I did it from tape, not RX-50s and swapping 31 of them in/out with
simh... And I couldn't get 11/73 to work (I think my simh has a regression
there), but 11/83 worked just fine.
ULTRIX-11 System V3.1 (bill)
login: root
Welcome to the ULTRIX-11 System
erase = delete, kill = ^U, intr = ^C
bill# uname -a
ULTRIX-11 bill 3 0 PDP-11/83
bill# df
Filesystem total kbytes kbytes percent
node kbytes used free used Mounted on
/dev/rd00 4654 3076 1578 66% /
/dev/rd01 8302 7708 594 93% /usr
bill#
But I did something wrong... It prompts me for the load device on each
reboot.
sim> boot rq0
Sizing Memory...
Boot: rd(0,0)unix (CTRL/C will abort auto-boot)
Load device (? for help, <RETURN> if none) < ht tm ts tk rx rl rc > ? tk
rd(0,0)unix:
14784+17024+8192+8000+8064+8000+8064+8128+8000+7808+7936+7936+7680+7360+1344
ULTRIX-11 Kernel V3.1
...
(and I think my simh is a bit wonky because it doesn't quite work: it hangs
from time to time, but only after a reset)
Warner
On 8/16/21 2:55 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> On 8/15/2021 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>> On 8/15/21 12:45 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
>>>
>>> Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3 in the tuhs archive has
>>> complete
>>> instructions as well as a program to build the ultrix tapes
>>>
>>
>> It took a day because I wanted to test it but I have a TK50 image that
>> works with SIMH. I did an install on an 11/73 with 3M of memory and
>> two RD54's. Worked fine. It's been a while since I did any Ultrix-11
>> on real or simulated hardware.
>>
>> Have no idea how to get this tape to anyone. It's just shy of 4M. Not
>> sure if it could be emailed. The SIMH ini file is trivially simple
but
> I
could provide that as well.
>
> I have nowhere I could put it up for download. I don't do things like
> Google Drive. Maybe we need a GITHUB site or something for Ultrix
stuff.
bill
Bill's file is at:
http://www.cimmeri.com/js/download/ultrix-11/
9:23 p.m.
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:07 PM Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
pretty cool
Thanks! Looking at the boot source I figured out that I just needed to
build a non-generic kernel
to get rid of the load device prompt... I'd somehow omitted that during the
install...
Warner
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 11:42 PM Warner Losh via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 6:11 PM Bill Gunshannon
via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does this count? I named it bill because I wasn't sure which version it
was
:)
And I did it from tape, not RX-50s and swapping 31 of them in/out with
simh... And I couldn't get 11/73 to work (I think my simh has a regression
there), but 11/83 worked just fine.
ULTRIX-11 System V3.1 (bill)
login: root
Welcome to the ULTRIX-11 System
erase = delete, kill = ^U, intr = ^C
bill# uname -a
ULTRIX-11 bill 3 0 PDP-11/83
bill# df
Filesystem total kbytes kbytes percent
node kbytes used free used Mounted on
/dev/rd00 4654 3076 1578 66% /
/dev/rd01 8302 7708 594 93% /usr
bill#
But I did something wrong... It prompts me for the load device on each
reboot.
sim> boot rq0
Sizing Memory...
Boot: rd(0,0)unix (CTRL/C will abort auto-boot)
Load device (? for help, <RETURN> if none) < ht tm ts tk rx rl rc > ? tk
rd(0,0)unix:
14784+17024+8192+8000+8064+8000+8064+8128+8000+7808+7936+7936+7680+7360+1344
ULTRIX-11 Kernel V3.1
...
(and I think my simh is a bit wonky because it doesn't quite work: it
hangs
from time to time, but only after a reset)
Warner
On 8/16/21 2:55 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> On 8/15/2021 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>> On 8/15/21 12:45 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
>>>
>>> Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3 in the tuhs archive has
>>> complete
>>> instructions as well as a program to build the ultrix tapes
>>>
>>
>> It took a day because I wanted to test it but I have a TK50 image
that
>> works with SIMH. I did an install on an
11/73 with 3M of memory and
>> two RD54's. Worked fine. It's been a while since I did any
Ultrix-11
>> on real or simulated hardware.
>>
>> Have no idea how to get this tape to anyone. It's just shy of 4M.
Not
>> sure if it could be emailed. The SIMH
ini file is trivially simple
but
>> I could provide that as well.
>>
>> I have nowhere I could put it up for download. I don't do things
like
>
Google Drive. Maybe we need a GITHUB site or something for Ultrix
stuff.
>
> bill
Bill's file is at:
http://www.cimmeri.com/js/download/ultrix-11/
So, anybody got a system running from that tape yet?
(Other than me :-)
19 Aug
19 Aug
6:37 a.m.
On 8/19/21 12:23 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:07 PM Bill Degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
I always skip that during the install. Much safer to do it
later when I am sure I have a stable system. Need to add
serial devices and network device. I wonder if the DECNET
daemon from Linux would back port to Ultrix-11? CLient side
is provided, but no daemon that I am aware of.
bill
pretty cool
Thanks! Looking at the boot source I figured out that I just needed to
build a non-generic kernel
to get rid of the load device prompt... I'd somehow omitted that during the
install...
1:37 p.m.
On Aug 19, 2021, at 9:37 AM, Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 8/19/21 12:23 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
If by daemon you mean the kernel code supporting NSP and routing protocols then, no, it
would not be an easy back port, that code makes heavy use of Linux-specific functions and
capabilities. The user-level utilities would be much simpler but you would need to copy
over the DECnet header files and implement the expected library routines (getnodebyname(),
getobjent() etc).
John.
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:07 PM Bill Degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
I always skip that during the install. Much safer to do it
later when I am sure I have a stable system. Need to add
serial devices and network device. I wonder if the DECNET
daemon from Linux would back port to Ultrix-11? CLient side
is provided, but no daemon that I am aware of. pretty cool
Thanks! Looking at the boot source I figured out that I just needed to
build a non-generic kernel
to get rid of the load device prompt... I'd somehow omitted that during the
install...
bill
1:45 p.m.
On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:37 PM, John Forecast via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does Linux follow the DECnet socket services of Ultrix, or are they different? I remember
that Ultrix had socket operations matching the power of the DECnet application interface,
stuff like connect data or packet-oriented data transmission. It also supported a basic
stream service, which was mapped (somehow -- I'd like to find the details) onto the
underlying DECnet packet service.
I've been thinking it would be neat to have an httpd that answers DECnet connections
(object number 80, of course).
paul
On Aug 19, 2021, at 9:37 AM, Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 8/19/21 12:23 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
If by daemon you mean the kernel code supporting NSP and routing protocols then, no, it
would not be an easy back port, that code makes heavy use of Linux-specific functions and
capabilities. The user-level utilities would be much simpler but you would need to copy
over the DECnet header files and implement the expected library routines (getnodebyname(),
getobjent() etc).
John. On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:07 PM Bill Degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
I always skip that during the install. Much safer to do it
later when I am sure I have a stable system. Need to add
serial devices and network device. I wonder if the DECNET
daemon from Linux would back port to Ultrix-11? CLient side
is provided, but no daemon that I am aware of. pretty cool
Thanks! Looking at the boot source I figured out that I just needed to
build a non-generic kernel
to get rid of the load device prompt... I'd somehow omitted that during the
install...
20 Aug
20 Aug
12:16 p.m.
On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:45 PM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
As far as I can see they both implement the same socket level interfaces for I/O,
there are some differences in some of the ioctl calls which are OS dependent. The base
socket interface does not have the concept of optional data on connect/disconnect or even
the difference between disconnect and abort so these are all implemented as ioctls and
library routines are provided for common use cases. DECnet supports 2 types of socket;
SOCK_SEQPACKET which maintains message boundaries just like other DECnet implementations
and SOCK_STREAM which provides a TCP-like byte stream interface. All of the standard DEC
utilities use SOCK_SEQPACKET and both ends of a link need to be of the same type for this
to work correctly. SOCK_STREAM sockets transmit data as soon as it?s supplied (assuming
flow control allows transmission) and a receive operation reads as much data as is
available (subject to the user read request size) so, in this case, message boundaries can
change from run to run.
On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:37 PM, John Forecast via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does Linux follow the DECnet socket services of Ultrix, or are they different? I
remember that Ultrix had socket operations matching the power of the DECnet application
interface, stuff like connect data or packet-oriented data transmission. It also
supported a basic stream service, which was mapped (somehow -- I'd like to find the
details) onto the underlying DECnet packet service.
On Aug 19, 2021, at 9:37 AM, Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 8/19/21 12:23 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
If by daemon you mean the kernel code supporting NSP and routing protocols then, no, it
would not be an easy back port, that code makes heavy use of Linux-specific functions and
capabilities. The user-level utilities would be much simpler but you would need to copy
over the DECnet header files and implement the expected library routines (getnodebyname(),
getobjent() etc).
John. On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:07 PM Bill Degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
> pretty cool
>
Thanks! Looking at the boot source I figured out that I just needed to
build a non-generic kernel
to get rid of the load device prompt... I'd somehow omitted that during the
install...
I always skip that during the install. Much safer to do it
later when I am sure I have a stable system. Need to add
serial devices and network device. I wonder if the DECNET
daemon from Linux would back port to Ultrix-11? CLient side
is provided, but no daemon that I am aware of. I've been thinking it would be neat to have an
httpd that answers DECnet connections (object number 80, of course).
That should be relatively easy depending on how you want to delineate message
boundaries. SOCK_SEQPACKET would be the easiest and should work against all DECnet
implementations. If you use SOCK_STREAM with embedded message lengths, you need to make
sure that the last byte of a message is also the last byte of a user-level write operation
so EOM is set correctly and the remote end will be able to read the message without
getting stuck waiting for EOM to be set. In general, SOCK_STREAM communication is only
useful when talking to other systems which also implement SOCK_STREAM semantics.
John.
paul
19 Aug
19 Aug
6:33 a.m.
On 8/18/21 11:42 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 6:11 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
On 8/16/21 2:55 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote:
<http://www.cimmeri.com/js/download/ultrix-11/>
So, anybody got a system running from that tape yet?
(Other than me :-)
Does this count? I named it bill because I wasn't sure which version it
was :)
And I did it from tape, not RX-50s and swapping 31 of them in/out with
simh... And I couldn't get 11/73 to work (I think my simh has a regression
there), but 11/83 worked just fine.
Interesting. In the last couple days I have done 11/73, 11/83 and
11/44. All worked fine.
On 8/15/2021 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> On 8/15/21 12:45 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3 in the tuhs archive has
>> complete
>> instructions as well as a program to build the ultrix tapes
>>
>
> It took a day because I wanted to test it but I have a TK50
image that
> works with SIMH.? I did an install on an
11/73 with 3M of memory and
> two RD54's.? Worked fine.? It's been a while since I did any
Ultrix-11
> on real or simulated hardware.
>
> Have no idea how to get this tape to anyone.? It's just shy of
4M.
Not
> sure if it could be emailed.? The SIMH ini
file is trivially
simple but
> I could provide that as well.
>
> I have nowhere I could put it up for download.? I don't do
things
like
> Google Drive.? Maybe we need a GITHUB site or
something for
Ultrix stuff.
bill
Bill's file is at:
http://www.cimmeri.com/js/download/ultrix-11/
ULTRIX-11 System V3.1 (bill)
login: root
Welcome to the ULTRIX-11 System
erase = delete, kill = ^U, intr = ^C
bill# uname -a
ULTRIX-11 bill 3 0 PDP-11/83
bill# df
Filesystem ? ?total ? ?kbytes ?kbytes ?percent
? ?node ? ? ? kbytes ? ?used ? ?free ? used ? ?Mounted on
/dev/rd00 ? ? ? 4654 ? ?3076 ? ?1578 ? ?66% ? ?/
/dev/rd01 ? ? ? 8302 ? ?7708 ? ? 594 ? ?93% ? ?/usr
bill#
test1# uname -a
ULTRIX-11 test1 3 0 PDP-11/44
test1# df
Filesystem total kbytes kbytes percent
node kbytes used free used Mounted on
/dev/ra00 4606 3080 1526 67% /
/dev/ra01 9598 2848 6750 30% /usr
/dev/ra03 423041 8773 414268 2% /user1
/dev/ra17 440941 3678 437263 1% /user2
/dev/ra27 440941 2 440939 0% /user3
/dev/ra37 440941 6 440935 0% /user4
test1# dmesg
Feb 14 09:00
...
ULTRIX-11 Kernel V3.1
realmem = 3932160
buffers = 25600
clists = 1600
usermem = 3772992
maxumem = 212992
But I did something wrong... It prompts me for the
load device on each
reboot.
Nothing wrong it does that. I don't think it goes away until after
you build a new custom kernel. You will need that for networking
anyway. Hope your good with overlays. :-)
sim> boot rq0
Sizing Memory...
Boot: rd(0,0)unix ? ?(CTRL/C will abort auto-boot)
Load device (? for help, <RETURN> if none) < ht tm ts tk rx rl rc > ? tk
rd(0,0)unix:
14784+17024+8192+8000+8064+8000+8064+8128+8000+7808+7936+7936+7680+7360+1344
ULTRIX-11 Kernel V3.1
...
(and I think my simh is a bit wonky because it doesn't quite work: it
hangs from time to time, but only after a reset)
Mine has been stable so far. Doesn't really get unstable till you
add networking. :-)
I am running on this: PDP-11 simulator V3.8-1
Now that people have made me interested again I think it's time
to get the source loaded and look into what it takes to build
install kits on other media.
I never really did much with Ultrix-11 on SIMH, mostly on real
hardware. That's where I did all the testing when I first figured
out how to take the files from the archive and build a tape. The
original was TS02 but I later used Fred's setup to make the TK50.
Being as this is the only OS that can legally be used I would
expect more activity. First thing is to try and find my improved
date command that lets you set dates after 1999. :-)
Wish we had a list for Ultrix-11 specifically. Might be a lot of fun.
bill
7:29 a.m.
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 7:33 AM Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon at hotmail.com wrote:
Networking seems to have been added in 3.0 looking at the SPD.
And I have patches to V7 date for this I've been using with Venix on my
Rainbow.
Wish we had a list for Ultrix-11 specifically. Might be a lot of fun.
Maybe :)
Warner
bill
On 8/18/21 11:42 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
<http://www.cimmeri.com/js/download/ultrix-11/
So, anybody got a system running from that tape yet?
(Other than me :-)
Does this count? I named it bill because I wasn't sure which version it
was :)
And I did it from tape, not RX-50s and swapping 31 of them in/out with
simh... And I couldn't get 11/73 to work (I think my simh has a regression
I'm using the latest from github, so maybe I've found a regression.
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 6:11 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>> wrote:
On 8/16/21 2:55 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote:
and
On 8/15/2021 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> On 8/15/21 12:45 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
> >>
Distributions/DEC/Ultrix-11/Fred-Ultrix3 in the tuhs archive has
>> complete
>> instructions as well as a program to build the ultrix tapes
>
> It took a day because I wanted to test it but I have a TK50
image
that
>> works with SIMH. I did an install on an 11/73 with 3M of memory > two
RD54's. Worked fine. It's been a while since I did any
Ultrix-11
> on real or simulated hardware.
> Have no idea how to get this tape to
anyone. It's just shy of
4M. Not
> sure if it could be emailed. The SIMH ini
file is trivially
simple but
> I could provide that as well.
> I have nowhere I could put it up for
download. I don't do
things like
> Google Drive. Maybe we need a GITHUB site or
something for
Ultrix stuff.
bill
Bill's file is at:
http://www.cimmeri.com/js/download/ultrix-11/ there), but 11/83 worked just fine.
Interesting. In the last couple days I have done 11/73, 11/83 and
11/44. All worked fine.
ULTRIX-11 System V3.1 (bill)
login: root
Welcome to the ULTRIX-11 System
erase = delete, kill = ^U, intr = ^C
bill# uname -a
ULTRIX-11 bill 3 0 PDP-11/83
bill# df
Filesystem total kbytes kbytes percent
node kbytes used free used Mounted on
/dev/rd00 4654 3076 1578 66% /
/dev/rd01 8302 7708 594 93% /usr
bill#
test1# uname -a
ULTRIX-11 test1 3 0 PDP-11/44
test1# df
Filesystem total kbytes kbytes percent
node kbytes used free used Mounted on
/dev/ra00 4606 3080 1526 67% /
/dev/ra01 9598 2848 6750 30% /usr
/dev/ra03 423041 8773 414268 2% /user1
/dev/ra17 440941 3678 437263 1% /user2
/dev/ra27 440941 2 440939 0% /user3
/dev/ra37 440941 6 440935 0% /user4
test1# dmesg
Feb 14 09:00
...
ULTRIX-11 Kernel V3.1
realmem = 3932160
buffers = 25600
clists = 1600
usermem = 3772992
maxumem = 212992
But I did something wrong... It prompts me for
the load device on each
reboot.
Nothing wrong it does that. I don't think it goes away until after
you build a new custom kernel. You will need that for networking
anyway. Hope your good with overlays. :-)
sim> boot rq0
Sizing Memory...
Boot: rd(0,0)unix (CTRL/C will abort auto-boot)
Load device (? for help, <RETURN> if none) < ht tm ts tk rx rl rc > ? tk
rd(0,0)unix:
14784+17024+8192+8000+8064+8000+8064+8128+8000+7808+7936+7936+7680+7360+1344
ULTRIX-11 Kernel V3.1
...
(and I think my simh is a bit wonky because it doesn't quite work: it
hangs from time to time, but only after a reset)
Mine has been stable so far. Doesn't really get unstable till you
add networking. :-)
I am running on this: PDP-11 simulator V3.8-1
Now that people have made me interested again I think it's time
to get the source loaded and look into what it takes to build
install kits on other media.
I never really did much with Ultrix-11 on SIMH, mostly on real
hardware. That's where I did all the testing when I first figured
out how to take the files from the archive and build a tape. The
original was TS02 but I later used Fred's setup to make the TK50.
Being as this is the only OS that can legally be used I would
expect more activity. First thing is to try and find my improved
date command that lets you set dates after 1999. :-)
15 Aug
15 Aug
5:32 a.m.
On 2021-08-14 12:18, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I ran into a YouTube video, that it is 5 years old,
titled "Ultrix-11
3.1 on an emulated PDP-11/73" and I found it very interesting.
It shows installation of Ultrix-11 under SIMH.? The fellow steps through
the installation process and appears to be quite knowable.
I wanted to replicate it but couldn't locate the *.tap file used in the
video that was an image of the bootable TK50 distribution.
Bitsavers and tuhs.org have Ultrix-11 files, but not the bootable tape
image.
Anyone know where the tape image is located?
The "install tape" was distributed as a series of files which have to
be written to a real tape with different block sizes. So if you have a
directory with more than one .tap file, look for a shell script to write
those to a tape drive ... There you will see, which file made the real
boot tape ...
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